You never know when you might fancy invading another country. Letting everyone have nukes stops all that fun.In which case, why do we get so worked up about nuclear proliferation? If they can only be used for defence, why not let everyone have them?Nuclear weapons - not much use in an aggressive war, but would prevent you from being invaded. That seems perfectly logical and consistent.What I've learned here is that Russia's nukes are useless because there are no circumstances under which they would use them on the battlefield. But ours are apparently essential. Strange that the deterrent effect only appears to work in one direction.We are seeing in Russia/Ukraine the absurdity of humans having nuclear weapons.I must say though, one of the things I agreed with Corbyn, and Jones, on was the nuclear deterrent. I understand the MAD argument, but I wish we never had them.Crazy leftist lying culture warrior as per @Isam's post on the "correction" to his article on the UK's defence spending.Jones' actual output not living up to his rep as a crazy leftist culture warrior? Surely not!No, this is Owen's post on the subject:Haven't seen the whole of the Speccie piece but taken as is it is an example (we were discussing this yesterday) of why I don't take the magazine any more.And thinking about it so it's offensive. So what. Are people calling for it to be cancelled? I'm sure Owen Jones will. That would be very bad if we're not allowed to be offensive. Ask Dave Chapelle.
That said no one can dispute the quality of the writing - v funny indeed. Which makes it all the more irritating.
As it objectifies women we are at the intersection of offence and abuse but the bigger the outcry the more minded I am too defend it even though it's the hated Speccie.
But on the third hand I am an old(er) white bloke so perhaps my time as leader of the western world is over.
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1780951361968021560?t=JN5dzqrgMEiwZDRpMzgmhw&s=19
I do hope the publicity benefits Ypi and boosts sales of her book and increases listenership of her podcast. Her family experience of persecution under Hoxha and the growing pains of the new Albania is a very interesting perspective, she seems to be on the leading edge of new left wing thought.
I fear you’re right . And after last nights dreadful response to that very generous EU offer re 18 to 30 year olds I’m fast losing any enthusiasm for Labour .Sunak really is useless . And by allowing non GPS to issue sick notes we know how this ends . Targets in place of proper fact based decisions.Absolutely.
The really depressing thing will likely be Starmer's response.
Sunak: "On Rwanda, the very simple thing here is that repeatedly, everyone has tried to block us from getting this bill through. And yet again, you saw it this week."They're being blocked by the House of Lords. The Tory manifesto in 2019 promised not to reform the House of Lords. If this is the constitutional system you want, Rishi, don't complain when it works as designed.
Because it is a shite piece of legislation you gormless twat.
Sunak really is useless . And by allowing non GPS to issue sick notes we know how this ends . Targets in place of proper fact based decisions.Absolutely.
A few people on here going rather stridently out of their way to make sure everybody knows they've never fucked a brass...Have you seen their prices? Welcome to austerity Britain.
Very true. I do read his stuff AAMOF. Probably about 50% of it. Same with Polly. Otherwise what fun would it be to read someone I agree with all the time.I agree with maybe 50% of what he says. But I am in the unusual position (on here) of actually reading a fair amount of his stuff. This helps when forming an opinion on it. You were arguing exactly that point yesterday and I agree with it.LOL misattributed. It was central to his entire argument. Uncorrected, doltish Guardian readers - there are one or two on this board - might have picked up that ball and run with it. They wouldn't all have been like you who would have gone directly to Hansard to check whether that was indeed the case.Hmm, a misattributed quote in one of his articles, now corrected. Terrible. I'll never read a word of his again.Crazy leftist edited to very very very very sloppy to the extent of being incompetent culture warrior as per @Isam's post on the "correction" to his article on the UK's defence spending.Jones' actual output not living up to his rep as a crazy leftist culture warrior? Surely not!No, this is Owen's post on the subject:Haven't seen the whole of the Speccie piece but taken as is it is an example (we were discussing this yesterday) of why I don't take the magazine any more.And thinking about it so it's offensive. So what. Are people calling for it to be cancelled? I'm sure Owen Jones will. That would be very bad if we're not allowed to be offensive. Ask Dave Chapelle.
That said no one can dispute the quality of the writing - v funny indeed. Which makes it all the more irritating.
As it objectifies women we are at the intersection of offence and abuse but the bigger the outcry the more minded I am too defend it even though it's the hated Speccie.
But on the third hand I am an old(er) white bloke so perhaps my time as leader of the western world is over.
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1780951361968021560?t=JN5dzqrgMEiwZDRpMzgmhw&s=19
I do hope the publicity benefits Ypi and boosts sales of her book and increases listenership of her podcast. Her family experience of persecution under Hoxha and the growing pains of the new Albania is a very interesting perspective, she seems to be on the leading edge of new left wing thought.
But it's cool - you read Jones and like what he writes because you agree with everything he says and why he says it. Whatever it is. And confirmation of that type is very reassuring. So enjoy.
I'm 42 at the moment, and it's very very clear that were I had to take the choice of being born 3 years earlier or later, I'd take 3 years earlier every day of the week and twice on sundays. Late Xers ceteris paribus hit a real sweetspot tbh.I'm 48 and a lot of this rings true, binge drinking, drugs, the Fast Show etc, but I think the sex obsession is more common with people towards the upper end of that age range, plus Boomers. I think the idea of casual sex was so normalised for people my age that it just wasn't a big thing, people just got on with it and didn't feel the urge to go on about it.I think it's wrong to attribute this to boomers. It's the old forgotten Gen X again, ignored in the Boomer-Millennial culture wars. Gen X, people from about 45 to 60 now.Yes its popular with the posher end of the lads mag readership of the 90s. How did those fare with Gen Z?You could be right. It’s not looking good. Here’s their 200 years of sales in a graphI doubt it shall survive contact with the generation or two below you, it shall have to choose one or the other.My point is you are acting as if this is some sordid new departure for the Spectator. It really isn’t. I’m old enough to remember when they ran a piece about a guy “wanking himself into hospital” which became mildly celebrated and got quoted in the US Congress and cited in famous books of psychology. So none of this is newAnd I don't care if they care or not, its very much up to them. Just commenting on here as the topic du jour.The Spectator has ALWAYS been like this. It mixes the high and the low, the sordid and the cerebral, the arts and the heart. And it seeks to surprise as all good magazines shouldGood for middle aged loaded old lads mag. Unsuitable for a politics, culture and current affairs magazine. Its not exactly rocket science.Entire article:Well I haven't seen the entire article as it is paywalled. Neither have you, I suspect.Context is everything."repulsive and a disgrace" sounds to me like a step on the way to getting him sacked.No, this is Owen's post on the subject:Haven't seen the whole of the Speccie piece but taken as is it is an example (we were discussing this yesterday) of why I don't take the magazine any more.And thinking about it so it's offensive. So what. Are people calling for it to be cancelled? I'm sure Owen Jones will. That would be very bad if we're not allowed to be offensive. Ask Dave Chapelle.
That said no one can dispute the quality of the writing - v funny indeed. Which makes it all the more irritating.
As it objectifies women we are at the intersection of offence and abuse but the bigger the outcry the more minded I am too defend it even though it's the hated Speccie.
But on the third hand I am an old(er) white bloke so perhaps my time as leader of the western world is over.
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1780951361968021560?t=JN5dzqrgMEiwZDRpMzgmhw&s=19
I do hope the publicity benefits Ypi and boosts sales of her book and increases listenership of her podcast. Her family experience of persecution under Hoxha and the growing pains of the new Albania is a very interesting perspective, she seems to be on the leading edge of new left wing thought.
Listen you and I are both men d'un age certain. Are we saying that no one is allowed to comment on a person's looks any more.
https://archive.ph/iFzFe
I very much doubt you subscribe, or ever will, and as it’s paywalled that means you never read it, so why on earth should they care what you think?
My impression is this is the most hedonistic, don't give a shit of all the generations. The late 90s and early noughties when GenX were young were the peak of lad mags but also the celebration of binge drinking and drug taking, popular culture that didn't take itself too seriously, and apolitical comedy from The Office to the Fast Show to Reeves and Mortimer. And the nadir of the culture wars. Toxic in many ways in both a literal and figurative sense, but also good fun.
I miss all that. I know parts of it were bad and not to be repeated, but I'm a creature of that era and it's hard not to be nostalgic for it.
Yes probably some truth in that. Less obsession about it. I am a spring chicken compared to you: only 47.I'm 48 and a lot of this rings true, binge drinking, drugs, the Fast Show etc, but I think the sex obsession is more common with people towards the upper end of that age range, plus Boomers. I think the idea of casual sex was so normalised for people my age that it just wasn't a big thing, people just got on with it and didn't feel the urge to go on about it.I think it's wrong to attribute this to boomers. It's the old forgotten Gen X again, ignored in the Boomer-Millennial culture wars. Gen X, people from about 45 to 60 now.Yes its popular with the posher end of the lads mag readership of the 90s. How did those fare with Gen Z?You could be right. It’s not looking good. Here’s their 200 years of sales in a graphI doubt it shall survive contact with the generation or two below you, it shall have to choose one or the other.My point is you are acting as if this is some sordid new departure for the Spectator. It really isn’t. I’m old enough to remember when they ran a piece about a guy “wanking himself into hospital” which became mildly celebrated and got quoted in the US Congress and cited in famous books of psychology. So none of this is newAnd I don't care if they care or not, its very much up to them. Just commenting on here as the topic du jour.The Spectator has ALWAYS been like this. It mixes the high and the low, the sordid and the cerebral, the arts and the heart. And it seeks to surprise as all good magazines shouldGood for middle aged loaded old lads mag. Unsuitable for a politics, culture and current affairs magazine. Its not exactly rocket science.Entire article:Well I haven't seen the entire article as it is paywalled. Neither have you, I suspect.Context is everything."repulsive and a disgrace" sounds to me like a step on the way to getting him sacked.No, this is Owen's post on the subject:Haven't seen the whole of the Speccie piece but taken as is it is an example (we were discussing this yesterday) of why I don't take the magazine any more.And thinking about it so it's offensive. So what. Are people calling for it to be cancelled? I'm sure Owen Jones will. That would be very bad if we're not allowed to be offensive. Ask Dave Chapelle.
That said no one can dispute the quality of the writing - v funny indeed. Which makes it all the more irritating.
As it objectifies women we are at the intersection of offence and abuse but the bigger the outcry the more minded I am too defend it even though it's the hated Speccie.
But on the third hand I am an old(er) white bloke so perhaps my time as leader of the western world is over.
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1780951361968021560?t=JN5dzqrgMEiwZDRpMzgmhw&s=19
I do hope the publicity benefits Ypi and boosts sales of her book and increases listenership of her podcast. Her family experience of persecution under Hoxha and the growing pains of the new Albania is a very interesting perspective, she seems to be on the leading edge of new left wing thought.
Listen you and I are both men d'un age certain. Are we saying that no one is allowed to comment on a person's looks any more.
https://archive.ph/iFzFe
I very much doubt you subscribe, or ever will, and as it’s paywalled that means you never read it, so why on earth should they care what you think?
My impression is this is the most hedonistic, don't give a shit of all the generations. The late 90s and early noughties when GenX were young were the peak of lad mags but also the celebration of binge drinking and drug taking, popular culture that didn't take itself too seriously, and apolitical comedy from The Office to the Fast Show to Reeves and Mortimer. And the nadir of the culture wars. Toxic in many ways in both a literal and figurative sense, but also good fun.
I miss all that. I know parts of it were bad and not to be repeated, but I'm a creature of that era and it's hard not to be nostalgic for it.