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Rhyl West on Denbighshire (Lab defence) Result of council at last election (2012): Lab 18, Ind 12, Con 9, Plaid 7, Lib Dem 1 (No Overall Control, Lab short by 6) Result of ward at last election (2012) : Emboldened denotes elected Labour 378, 361 (43%) Conservatives 106, 99 (25%) Independent 142 (17%) Plaid Cymru 125 (15%) EU Referendum Result: REMAIN 23,955 (46%) LEAVE 28,117 (54%) on a turnout of 69% Candidates duly nominated: Les Harker (Con), Alan James (Lab), Keith Kirwan (Lib Dem), Norman Shone (Ind), Mark Webster (Ind)

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  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    1
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    2
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Third like Labour in Richmond!
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,979
    LibDem swing in Darwell will be interesting. 59% Leave. Hmm
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    28m
    Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn
    Quinnipiac polls in the two way race:
    Clinton+6 in NC
    Clinton+13 in VA
    Tie in GA
    Trump+1 in Iowa
    https://poll.qu.edu/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2397


    57

    79

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    Looking forward to the new 600 seat map. Good stuff. Thx.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    nunu said:


    28m
    Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn
    Quinnipiac polls in the two way race:
    Clinton+6 in NC
    Clinton+13 in VA
    Tie in GA
    Trump+1 in Iowa
    https://poll.qu.edu/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2397


    57

    79

    In Georgia, Clinton only has 23% of white voters. Probably won't win it on those numbers.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,920
    edited October 2016
    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of her wheelchair?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
  • Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,920
    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The point is that for any other politician the last people they'd want to get into an argument with is the bereaved family of a soldier who died in the service of the nation.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    It's the BBC - Britain Backs Clinton.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    North Carolina - Virginia - Iowa - Georgia - Quinnipiac - All 20-26 Oct

    NC - Clinton 50 .. Trump 44 - Sample 702
    VA - Clinton 53 .. Trump 40 - Sample 749
    IA - Clinton 46 .. Trump 47 - Sample 791
    GA - Clinton 46 .. Trump 46 - Sample 707

    https://poll.qu.edu/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2397
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The point is that for any other politician the last people they'd want to get into an argument with is the bereaved family of a soldier who died in the service of the nation.
    Yes, and his response is far better than it was several months ago. It still doesn't change the unpleasant truth.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    weejonnie said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    It's the BBC - Britain Backs Clinton.
    Or in the US, as Katie Hopkins has just told a CNN interviewer to her face, it is the 'Clinton News Network'
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/katie-hopkins-accuses-cnn-of-being-clinton-news-network_uk_58120043e4b0ccfc9561f3ee
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

    Too true Big G, a dire time in US history and we will all be made to suffer.
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The point is that for any other politician the last people they'd want to get into an argument with is the bereaved family of a soldier who died in the service of the nation.
    Yes, and his response is far better than it was several months ago. It still doesn't change the unpleasant truth.
    Isnt that the republicans fault for invading Iraq though?
  • RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

    Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    And it's comments he made several weeks ago that Khan has only chosen to comment on now. It's like he's campaigning for Hillary or something
  • Rio 2016: Wada publishes report highlighting 'serious failings' at Olympic Games
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/37794421

    The omnishambles games fall out continues...
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,049

    Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

    Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

    Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

    I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

    Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
    Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
  • Charles said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

    Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
    Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter
    He said more than 'yes, I guess'
  • tyson said:

    Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

    Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

    Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

    I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
    Hilary Clinton has a long list of questions to answer and I am not expressing any prejudice by saying I am past caring. Trump certainly is going to lose and rightly so.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

    Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
    Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter
    He said more than 'yes, I guess'
    Didn't he change his stance pretty early on though?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Are any of these candidates for local elections as filthy rich as Zac?
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    former miss finland accuses Trump of sexual assault. Number 12

    He definitely knew her

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/27/former-miss-finland-becomes-12th-woman-to-accuse-trump-of-sexual/
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    And it's comments he made several weeks ago that Khan has only chosen to comment on now. It's like he's campaigning for Hillary or something
    I think it's actually stated in the article he's campaigning for Hillary :p
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    619 said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The point is that for any other politician the last people they'd want to get into an argument with is the bereaved family of a soldier who died in the service of the nation.
    Yes, and his response is far better than it was several months ago. It still doesn't change the unpleasant truth.
    Isnt that the republicans fault for invading Iraq though?
    And the GOP hate trump. Your point?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,008

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

    Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
    Wrong wrong wrong. Ask Sean Hannity.
  • RobD said:

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

    Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
    Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter
    He said more than 'yes, I guess'
    Didn't he change his stance pretty early on though?
    It mirrored the US public, the other issue is he's portraying himself as someone who was out marching in 2003 against the Iraq War
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

    Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
    so, you agree he has nothing to apologise for? Especially to Mrs 'i dont know of she can speak' Khan?

    This and sexual assault victim number 12 are definitely good press in the last week of an election!


    https://twitter.com/NYMag/status/791725767063470081
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    Trump seems confused about early voting

    https://twitter.com/realDenaldTrump/status/791724755615420416
  • 619 said:
    That's a spoof account
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    619 said:

    former miss finland accuses Trump of sexual assault. Number 12

    He definitely knew her

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/27/former-miss-finland-becomes-12th-woman-to-accuse-trump-of-sexual/

    "He definitely knew her"

    then he must be guilty!
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited October 2016
    619 said:

    Trump seems confused about early voting

    Twitter fake;

    realDenaldTrump

  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,008
    619 said:
    You have to look quite closely at the name on that tweet.
  • RobD said:

    619 said:

    former miss finland accuses Trump of sexual assault. Number 12

    He definitely knew her

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/27/former-miss-finland-becomes-12th-woman-to-accuse-trump-of-sexual/

    "He definitely knew her"

    then he must be guilty!
    Well if 'he knew her' in the biblical sense...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    tyson said:

    Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

    Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

    Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

    I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
    If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
  • 619 said:
    That's a spoof account
    What 619 or trump or both? ;-)
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    RobD said:

    619 said:

    former miss finland accuses Trump of sexual assault. Number 12

    He definitely knew her

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/27/former-miss-finland-becomes-12th-woman-to-accuse-trump-of-sexual/

    "He definitely knew her"

    then he must be guilty!
    his previous defences, other than they were too ugly for him to assault, has to say he never knew them.
  • 619 said:
    That's a spoof account
    What 619 or trump or both? ;-)
    There's so much idiocy in the world when it comes to this election I'm hoping the spoofs are doing it for a laugh and not genuinely believing what they post.
  • Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

    The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

    Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    619 said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

    Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
    so, you agree he has nothing to apologise for? Especially to Mrs 'i dont know of she can speak' Khan?

    This and sexual assault victim number 12 are definitely good press in the last week of an election!


    htps://twitter.com/NYMag/status/791725767063470081
    Morally bankrupt numptyism all round; I am pretty certain Captain Khan did not intend to give up his life so that ghastly Hillary could exploit his parents' naivety to get her into the White House.

    *awaits incoming YEBBUT TRUMP whineathon*

  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

    Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
    Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter
    He said more than 'yes, I guess'
    Do you support the Nazis?

    "Yeah I guess so".

    I didn't support the Nazis. What?
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    619 said:
    That's a spoof account
    What 619 or trump or both? ;-)
    The weied thing is that fake trump account is believable.
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    Ishmael_X said:

    619 said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

    Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
    so, you agree he has nothing to apologise for? Especially to Mrs 'i dont know of she can speak' Khan?

    This and sexual assault victim number 12 are definitely good press in the last week of an election!


    htps://twitter.com/NYMag/status/791725767063470081
    Morally bankrupt numptyism all round; I am pretty certain Captain Khan did not intend to give up his life so that ghastly Hillary could exploit his parents' naivety to get her into the White House.

    *awaits incoming YEBBUT TRUMP whineathon*

    Oh, so the Khans are naive, rather than thinking Trump is a racist who shouldnt be elected?
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

    Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

    Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

    I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
    If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
    If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,080
    Chris said:

    619 said:
    You have to look quite closely at the name on that tweet.
    I wonder why he didn't use a capital i for the L, which (assuming Twitter allows such) would disguise the spoof completely.
  • nunu said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

    Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

    Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

    I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
    If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
    If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.
    I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.
  • Charles said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

    Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
    Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter
    But it definitely disqualifies you as an opponent.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    619 said:

    Ishmael_X said:

    619 said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

    Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
    so, you agree he has nothing to apologise for? Especially to Mrs 'i dont know of she can speak' Khan?

    This and sexual assault victim number 12 are definitely good press in the last week of an election!


    htps://twitter.com/NYMag/status/791725767063470081
    Morally bankrupt numptyism all round; I am pretty certain Captain Khan did not intend to give up his life so that ghastly Hillary could exploit his parents' naivety to get her into the White House.

    *awaits incoming YEBBUT TRUMP whineathon*

    Oh, so the Khans are naive, rather than thinking Trump is a racist who shouldnt be elected?
    Your mistaken belief that the two things are mutually exclusive strengthens my impression that posting on this site is a bit above your pay grade.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,008
    edited October 2016
    IanB2 said:

    Chris said:

    619 said:
    You have to look quite closely at the name on that tweet.
    I wonder why he didn't use a capital i for the L, which (assuming Twitter allows such) would disguise the spoof completely.
    I was thinking Trurnp (i.e. TRURNP) might be harder to spot.
  • MrsBMrsB Posts: 574
    correction for philliph FPT Goldsmith is not a Remainer. He is a Leaver. His constitutents voted 72% Remain
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

    The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

    Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    619 said:
    That's a spoof account
    What 619 or trump or both? ;-)
    Haha
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited October 2016
    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

    Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

    Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

    I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
    If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
    Agreements with trump wouldn't be worth the paper they're written on.

    That's how scary this election is.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

    Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
    Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter
    He said more than 'yes, I guess'
    I've only half listened to extracts because I don't really care what a random businessman said 12 years before he decided to run for office
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    nunu said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

    Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

    Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

    I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
    If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
    If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.
    I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.
    Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....


    But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    RobD said:

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    And it's comments he made several weeks ago that Khan has only chosen to comment on now. It's like he's campaigning for Hillary or something
    I think it's actually stated in the article he's campaigning for Hillary :p
    I know. It's called irony...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    And it's comments he made several weeks ago that Khan has only chosen to comment on now. It's like he's campaigning for Hillary or something
    I think it's actually stated in the article he's campaigning for Hillary :p
    I know. It's called irony...
    Ah, sorry!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    nunu said:

    nunu said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

    Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

    Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

    I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
    If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
    If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.
    I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.
    Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....


    But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.
    I do think Trump is right about those votes being taken for granted though.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

    Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
    Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter
    But it definitely disqualifies you as an opponent.
    The version I had was the interviewer asking him several times and him deflecting before finally saying "yeah I guess" And moving in to more interesting stuff. Came across to me as "don't know don't care" rather than anything stronger
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    I
    nunu said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

    Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

    Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

    I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
    If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
    If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.
    If I was Russian I would be very optimistic of a Trump presidency but I am neither

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,080
    UKIP backing Zak (which I suspect also has something to do with avoiding another poor result) may well help the LibDems, in an area like Richmond. Indeed I wouldnt be surprised to see the LibDems start referring to him as "..backed by UKIP".
  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    Beginning to wonder if this is a deliberate ploy to lose an election:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37790832

    What next? He kicks a disabled voter out of their wheelchair?

    Isn't it a statement of fact if Iraq hadn't happened?
    The issue is Trump saying "Had I been president, Captain Khan would be alive today. We wouldn't have been in this horrible, horrible mistake, the war in Iraq,"

    Except for the fact he was a supporter of the Iraq war
    Saying "yes, I guess" in an interviewer doesn't make you a supporter
    He said more than 'yes, I guess'
    I've only half listened to extracts because I don't really care what a random businessman said 12 years before he decided to run for office
    he is bringing Iraq up.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    edited October 2016
    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

    The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

    Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

    Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
  • Pong said:

    619 said:

    Trump seems confused about early voting

    Twitter fake;

    realDenaldTrump

    November 28th :lol:
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    RobD said:

    nunu said:

    nunu said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

    Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

    Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

    I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
    If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
    If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.
    I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.
    Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....


    But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.
    I do think Trump is right about those votes being taken for granted though.
    Because GOP hasn't given the Dems any competition. And neither is Trump.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    nunu said:

    RobD said:

    nunu said:

    nunu said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

    Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

    Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

    I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
    If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
    If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.
    I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.
    Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....


    But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.
    I do think Trump is right about those votes being taken for granted though.
    Because GOP hasn't given the Dems any competition. And neither is Trump.
    Yep, but that doesn't make it right.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    edited October 2016
    Pong said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

    Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

    Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

    I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
    If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
    Agreements with trump wouldn't be worth the paper they're written on.

    That's how scary this election is.
    On the whole I think they would, he was a strong supporter of Brexit. The countries which have most to gain from a Trump Presidency are Putin's Russia, Brexit UK and Netanyahu's Israel. Most other major nations, especially Mexico, Canada, the nations of the EU and Eastern Europe and China would do much better under Hillary given Trump's opposition to NAFTA and trade organisations, his supportive statements towards Putin, his promise to build a wall with and stop outsourcing to Mexico and his promise of a trade war with China
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

    The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

    Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    I'm not sure I would describe it as "illuminating". We've all been blinded by it for months. I cannot recall hearing or reading anything but a dogged, grinding whinge from any Remoaner, ever.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Clinton building a different coalition then Obama:
    Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict
    Early vote pattern beginning to emerge nationally: higher enthusiasm among liberal whites & Latinos vs. '12, lower enthusiasm among AAs.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

    The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

    Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    I'm not sure I would describe it as "illuminating". We've all been blinded by it for months. I cannot recall hearing or reading anything but a dogged, grinding whinge from any Remoaner, ever.
    That's probably because you have difficulty understanding the nuances of the discussions.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    nunu said:

    Clinton building a different coalition then Obama:
    Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict
    Early vote pattern beginning to emerge nationally: higher enthusiasm among liberal whites & Latinos vs. '12, lower enthusiasm among AAs.

    Plus higher enthusiasm amongst white working class, less amongst millenials
  • nunu said:

    RobD said:

    nunu said:

    nunu said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

    Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

    Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

    I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
    If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
    If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.
    I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.
    Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....


    But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.
    I do think Trump is right about those votes being taken for granted though.
    Because GOP hasn't given the Dems any competition. And neither is Trump.
    Trump = Democrat sleeper agent?
  • nunu said:

    Clinton building a different coalition then Obama

    Got any news on the religious views of the papacy?
  • IanB2 said:

    UKIP backing Zak (which I suspect also has something to do with avoiding another poor result) may well help the LibDems, in an area like Richmond. Indeed I wouldnt be surprised to see the LibDems start referring to him as "..backed by UKIP".

    And the lib dem candidate being associated with Jenny Tonge may attract some interesting comments from their opponents
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    TOPPING said:

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

    The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

    Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

    Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
    Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    edited October 2016

    TOPPING said:

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

    The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

    Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

    Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
    Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?
    Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.

    Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    TOPPING said:

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

    The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

    Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    I'm not sure I would describe it as "illuminating". We've all been blinded by it for months. I cannot recall hearing or reading anything but a dogged, grinding whinge from any Remoaner, ever.
    That's probably because you have difficulty understanding the nuances of the discussions.
    Since when was a moan a discussion?
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    HYUFD said:

    nunu said:

    Clinton building a different coalition then Obama:
    Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict
    Early vote pattern beginning to emerge nationally: higher enthusiasm among liberal whites & Latinos vs. '12, lower enthusiasm among AAs.

    Plus higher enthusiasm amongst white working class, less amongst millenials
    Doesn't matter he is getting less support from white voters overall compared to Romney. A killer.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024

    nunu said:

    Clinton building a different coalition then Obama

    Got any news on the religious views of the papacy?
    Yes, they accept Muhammed now.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950

    TOPPING said:

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

    The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

    Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    I'm not sure I would describe it as "illuminating". We've all been blinded by it for months. I cannot recall hearing or reading anything but a dogged, grinding whinge from any Remoaner, ever.
    That's probably because you have difficulty understanding the nuances of the discussions.
    Since when was a moan a discussion?
    C-
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

    The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

    Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

    Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
    Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?
    Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.

    Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
    I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    RobD said:

    nunu said:

    RobD said:

    nunu said:

    nunu said:

    HYUFD said:

    tyson said:

    Not long now to end this dreadful US election. I am past caring but am very embarrassed for the US having such dreadful candidates and cannot see a happy ending no matter who wins

    Drawing equivalence between the two candidates says more about your own prejudices than anything g else.

    Frankly right ideologues, who know intuitively that Trump is diabolical, and still cannot bring themselves to say maybe it is better that the US go with Hillary, really demonstrate how blinded they are by their ideology.

    I prefer Plato and MonikaDi Canio to be honest. At least they have a refreshing honesty
    If I was American I would probably vote for Hillary with reservations but as a Brit I think Trump is a better bet for post-Brexit UK, his trade adviser has said he will do a trade deal with the UK before the EU, Hillary, like Obama, would put the UK 'at the back of the queue' behind the EU.
    If I was in Poland I would be very fearful of a Trump presidency.
    I might be wrong but didn't the poles elect a lot that make trump look like president pc.
    Poland won't invade Russia. On the other hand.....


    But difference is America is racially divided and has deep seated problems with race, and they don't need someone who will make those divisions much worse.
    I do think Trump is right about those votes being taken for granted though.
    Because GOP hasn't given the Dems any competition. And neither is Trump.
    Yep, but that doesn't make it right.
    AA unemployment is half of what it was when he came to power, things could and have been worse.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

    The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

    Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    I'm not sure I would describe it as "illuminating". We've all been blinded by it for months. I cannot recall hearing or reading anything but a dogged, grinding whinge from any Remoaner, ever.
    That's probably because you have difficulty understanding the nuances of the discussions.
    Since when was a moan a discussion?
    C-
    loser
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited October 2016

    IanB2 said:

    UKIP backing Zak (which I suspect also has something to do with avoiding another poor result) may well help the LibDems, in an area like Richmond. Indeed I wouldnt be surprised to see the LibDems start referring to him as "..backed by UKIP".

    And the lib dem candidate being associated with Jenny Tonge may attract some interesting comments from their opponents
    Amusing to see Tim Farron claim that a vote for the Lib Dems is a vote for a Britain that is open, tolerant & united. Not quite sure the party of Jenny Tonge and David Ward can be described as being open, tolerant & united.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    nunu said:

    HYUFD said:

    nunu said:

    Clinton building a different coalition then Obama:
    Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict
    Early vote pattern beginning to emerge nationally: higher enthusiasm among liberal whites & Latinos vs. '12, lower enthusiasm among AAs.

    Plus higher enthusiasm amongst white working class, less amongst millenials
    Doesn't matter he is getting less support from white voters overall compared to Romney. A killer.
    Depends which poll you look at, overall he still leads the white vote comfortably and if white working class voters turn out for Trump who could not be bothered to vote for Romney he could even surpass his performance. Some pollsters also have him taking over 10% of the African American vote ie above what Romney got
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The

    Swedenand his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

    Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
    Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?
    Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.

    Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
    I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.
    Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.
    Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    TOPPING said:

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

    The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

    Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

    Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
    If anywhere needs some support it is the North East and it is excellent news for them and avoids yet further increases in inequality between London and the South East and the Midlands and the North
  • MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

    The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

    Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    Every pound spent protecting Nissan from future tariffs could have been spent on the NHS.

  • 619619 Posts: 1,784
    HYUFD said:

    nunu said:

    HYUFD said:

    nunu said:

    Clinton building a different coalition then Obama:
    Dave Wasserman ‏@Redistrict
    Early vote pattern beginning to emerge nationally: higher enthusiasm among liberal whites & Latinos vs. '12, lower enthusiasm among AAs.

    Plus higher enthusiasm amongst white working class, less amongst millenials
    Doesn't matter he is getting less support from white voters overall compared to Romney. A killer.
    Depends which poll you look at, overall he still leads the white vote comfortably and if white working class voters turn out for Trump who could not be bothered to vote for Romney he could even surpass his performance. Some pollsters also have him taking over 10% of the African American vote ie above what Romney got
    what, 3 pollsters out of 20? (the worse ones as well(
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    TOPPING said:

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

    The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

    Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

    Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
    I see it as a sign that there will be tariff free deal for manufactured goods to and from the EU. Good for Nissan and also BMW.

    Nissans will have a price advantage from the depreciation too.
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The

    Swedenand his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

    Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
    Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?
    Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.

    Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
    I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.
    Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.
    Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.
    Are you seriously suggesting the PM should not actively promote the UK and persuade business to invest in the future post Brexit.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    edited October 2016

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The remoaner's are so distressed by this deal they will do or say anything to try to discredit the Government or the Company. The fact is the 'little people' will be glad to see a Government on their side

    The Vice President of Nissan confirmed Sunderland will become a Global factory and that they intend engineering and sourcing parts within the UK.

    Sweden is fretting over the loss of exports to the UK, Brussels carpet makers are losing out also, the Irish are crossing the borders to take advantage of the pound and the German car manufacturers have said they will not accept tariffs for the 850,000 cars exported to the UK. They will drive the exit deal, not Drunker's and his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    I'm not sure I would describe it as "illuminating". We've all been blinded by it for months. I cannot recall hearing or reading anything but a dogged, grinding whinge from any Remoaner, ever.
    That's probably because you have difficulty understanding the nuances of the discussions.
    Since when was a moan a discussion?
    C-
    loser
    C-

    Was that a whinge or a moan or an insult?
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    MP_SE said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_P said:
    Odd. Why should Sunderland backing Brexit have any hearing on the issue. It's like the i thinks Brexiteers should receive punishment bearings or something
    The

    Swedenand his elite

    Poland have today demanded the loss of powers for the Commission and the resignation of Juncker.

    The WTO have said that the UK's trade would transfer seamlessly on exit of the single market.

    All in all a good day for Independent UK

    The Remoaners' behaviour today has been quite illuminating. It is obvious that they would prefer to see the UK suffer in order to push their Europhile agenda.
    It is legitimate to ask what the deal offered to Nissan was. If it was a cost to the government then that is a transfer from the taxpayer to a private company (albeit one which provides benefit to a subset of those taxpayers). If they make that transfer in this case, what other transfers to other private companies will be promised? And why to this sub sector of the economy?

    Look at it as analogous to buying fair trade products. Unambiguously benefiting those producers but an unbalanced transfer of wealth for the overall economy which introduces inefficiencies into the system.
    Do you really think that any substantial investment is made anywhere without palms being greased (metaphorically or otherwise)? And do you really think that details of the greasing are ever readily made available?
    Well rarely are they made while rubbing the host government's face in it to such an extent.

    Edit: plus surely as a Brexiter you are interested at the very least to know what the deal was, given that it might have been one that chipped away at the referendum result?
    I am both interested and a realist, the realist in me enables me to move on. I missed the face rubbing, perhaps you would enlighten me.
    Stage 1: Nissan executives very publicly go to Downing Street to meet with our Prime Minister amidst reported concerns of post-Brexit UK landscape.
    Stage 2: Nissan makes announcement that it will continue to produce existing and begin to produce new models in the UK.
    Which is the offensive bit that you would rather hadn't happened?
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