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  • Clickbait :lol:
  • Give that girl an award though

    My Mummy says you hate foreigners.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    Reds Under The Bed? :smiley:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    Surely NI elections are a bigger political story than this ?
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,192
    SF biggest number of seats certainly won't make May's life any easier over Brexit. Ha ha!
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Pulpstar said:

    Surely NI elections are a bigger political story than this ?

    Yes. But I've been at the hospital most of the day and haven't been following it
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    FPT:

    We've lost our leader. Brilliant final move to say the buck stops here. With Morrow about to lose his seat. Foster will be under serious pressure.

    Some people seem to be calling for the UUP to disband or merge with the DUP.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited March 2017
    Scott_P said:
    Ugh, I'm sick of this whining.

    As I said last week, the most frustrating thing about the Labour leadership is they don't even really seem to put in any effort. The Corbyn "relaunch" in January is a perfect example: he did one day of media interviews, got some bad press, and then he and his team all seemed to decide it wasn't worth even trying to make an effort since the media would always spin them badly, and Corbyn went back into hiding for weeks on end. The media are a bunch of right-wing bastards, true, but life is tough; you just get over it and make the best of a bad situation, not sit around feeling sorry for yourself and not even trying to make things better.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,192
    Pulpstar said:

    Surely NI elections are a bigger political story than this ?

    It's potentially massive in my view. Amazed it doesn't have more traction.
  • SF biggest number of seats certainly won't make May's life any easier over Brexit. Ha ha!

    Sky reporting Westminster likely to take back control of Ni
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    The union of Ireland will come soon. Thanks to Brexit.

    I wonder how the 18-24 year olds voted.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,192

    SF biggest number of seats certainly won't make May's life any easier over Brexit. Ha ha!

    Sky reporting Westminster likely to take back control of Ni
    And you think that's a good thing?
  • Why should the UUP disband? We are not DUP people
  • Arlene left the count refusing to speak to BBC
  • surbiton said:

    The union of Ireland will come soon. Thanks to Brexit.

    I wonder how the 18-24 year olds voted.

    Yes as Ireland leaves the EU to join the new European EFTA trading group headed by UK
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    edited March 2017
    surbiton said:

    The union of Ireland will come soon. Thanks to Brexit.

    We'll have to change our name back to the Kingdom of Great Britain - that's if Scotland doesn't get there first. We could end up negotiating three divorce settlements at once.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Pulpstar said:

    Surely NI elections are a bigger political story than this ?

    Even the previous "Conservatives win Parish Council Seat" thread rates above this one.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    So, could the NI elections be a case of the polls underestimating the leftwing party? ;)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    Pulpstar said:

    Surely NI elections are a bigger political story than this ?

    Yes. But I've been at the hospital most of the day and haven't been following it
    Best wishes Mike. I hope you're on the mend.
  • I think this will make Unionism rethink and try offer a positive vision. I hope so.
  • SF biggest number of seats certainly won't make May's life any easier over Brexit. Ha ha!

    Sky reporting Westminster likely to take back control of Ni
    And you think that's a good thing?
    Nothing about Northern Ireland is simple - the best would be for the DUP and SF to work together as previously but that seems a lost cause. Arlene Foster should have resigned her position but where is integrity these days
  • Danny565 said:

    So, could the NI elections be a case of the polls underestimating the leftwing party? ;)

    I think one thing is how much can be changed by by a few hundred votes.

  • Danny565 said:

    So, could the NI elections be a case of the polls underestimating the leftwing party? ;)

    I think one thing is how much can be changed by by a few hundred votes.

  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,192
    edited March 2017

    surbiton said:

    The union of Ireland will come soon. Thanks to Brexit.

    We'll have to change our name back to the Kingdom of Great Britain - that's if Scotland doesn't get there first. We could end up negotiating three divorce settlements at once.
    Maybe Scotland and NI would be better off joining loosely with The south in a federation of the western seaboard.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,968
    The SDLP seem to have done appallingly.

    How have they collapsed so much among middle class Catholics ?

  • surbiton said:

    The union of Ireland will come soon. Thanks to Brexit.

    We'll have to change our name back to the Kingdom of Great Britain - that's if Scotland doesn't get there first. We could end up negotiating three divorce settlements at once.
    Maybe Scotland and NI would be better off joining loosely with The south in a federation of the western seaboard.
    It already is - it's called the UK
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    surbiton said:

    The union of Ireland will come soon. Thanks to Brexit.

    We'll have to change our name back to the Kingdom of Great Britain - that's if Scotland doesn't get there first. We could end up negotiating three divorce settlements at once.
    Maybe Scotland and NI would be better off joining loosely with The south in a federation of the western seaboard.
    It already is - it's called the UK
    There's nothing federal about the UK, and it hasn't included the whole of Ireland for nearly a century.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,922
    edited March 2017

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    Whilst Remainers, like cats, dislike all but themselves?
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,192

    surbiton said:

    The union of Ireland will come soon. Thanks to Brexit.

    We'll have to change our name back to the Kingdom of Great Britain - that's if Scotland doesn't get there first. We could end up negotiating three divorce settlements at once.
    Maybe Scotland and NI would be better off joining loosely with The south in a federation of the western seaboard.
    It already is - it's called the UK
    Not for long, with a PM who seems to think she's Boadicea.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,922

    Pulpstar said:

    Surely NI elections are a bigger political story than this ?

    Yes. But I've been at the hospital most of the day and haven't been following it
    Hope all is going well OGH.
  • NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 703
    Apologies if already posted

    A note on Lucid Talk's final NI poll, carried out 24-26 Feb:

    DUP 26.3% (result, 1st preferences: 28.1%)
    SF 25.3% (27.9%)
    UUP 13.9% (12.9%)
    SDLP 12.2% (11.9%)
    APNI 9.5% (9.1%)
    Others 12.9% (10.2%)

    Two or three points out on the two major parties, better on the next three.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Ugh, I'm sick of this whining.

    As I said last week, the most frustrating thing about the Labour leadership is they don't even really seem to put in any effort. The Corbyn "relaunch" in January is a perfect example: he did one day of media interviews, got some bad press, and then he and his team all seemed to decide it wasn't worth even trying to make an effort since the media would always spin them badly, and Corbyn went back into hiding for weeks on end. The media are a bunch of right-wing bastards, true, but life is tough; you just get over it and make the best of a bad situation, not sit around feeling sorry for yourself and not even trying to make things better.
    The media are so right wing they couldn't get enough of Labour in 1997 nor attack the Tories hard enough.

    The media love winners (and love cutting them down when they're not longer winners). Corbyn and.his cronies have never looked like winners.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,968

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,192

    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Ugh, I'm sick of this whining.

    As I said last week, the most frustrating thing about the Labour leadership is they don't even really seem to put in any effort. The Corbyn "relaunch" in January is a perfect example: he did one day of media interviews, got some bad press, and then he and his team all seemed to decide it wasn't worth even trying to make an effort since the media would always spin them badly, and Corbyn went back into hiding for weeks on end. The media are a bunch of right-wing bastards, true, but life is tough; you just get over it and make the best of a bad situation, not sit around feeling sorry for yourself and not even trying to make things better.
    The media are so right wing they couldn't get enough of Labour in 1997 nor attack the Tories hard enough.

    The media love winners (and love cutting them down when they're not longer winners). Corbyn and.his cronies have never looked like winners.
    That's because the Tories in 1997 looked as electable as Labour today.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    I thought the big thing in the election was the energy subsidy scandal? Find it amazing Arlene Foster stayed in her position.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    SF biggest number of seats certainly won't make May's life any easier over Brexit. Ha ha!

    Sky reporting Westminster likely to take back control of Ni
    That would be a disaster. If Sinn Fein have won these elections then they deserve the chance to have their leader as First Minister.

    Shocking that all this could have been avoided had Arlene had any self respect and resigned. Now she almost certainly will have to anyway but not before taking out her cause and her colleagues first.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,922
    Danny565 said:

    So, could the NI elections be a case of the polls underestimating the leftwing party? ;)

    I'm not sure left and right really apply in the way you'd like here, Danny :)

    Con gain Bootle actually happened this year (a place in Copeland constituency, natch).
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    The sticky conversation would be about London. Little English Conservatives (and the phrase is fair for those who are interested only in like-minded brethren) don't like London or its values. But boy, they like its money.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Ugh, I'm sick of this whining.

    As I said last week, the most frustrating thing about the Labour leadership is they don't even really seem to put in any effort. The Corbyn "relaunch" in January is a perfect example: he did one day of media interviews, got some bad press, and then he and his team all seemed to decide it wasn't worth even trying to make an effort since the media would always spin them badly, and Corbyn went back into hiding for weeks on end. The media are a bunch of right-wing bastards, true, but life is tough; you just get over it and make the best of a bad situation, not sit around feeling sorry for yourself and not even trying to make things better.
    The media are so right wing they couldn't get enough of Labour in 1997 nor attack the Tories hard enough.

    The media love winners (and love cutting them down when they're not longer winners). Corbyn and.his cronies have never looked like winners.
    That's because the Tories in 1997 looked as electable as Labour today.
    Precisely. If Labour start to look electable (and the Tories less so) the media will move left faster than Usain Bolt.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,922

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    The sticky conversation would be about London. Little English Conservatives (and the phrase is fair for those who are interested only in like-minded brethren) don't like London or its values. But boy, they like its money.
    London quite likes our food, water, and our houses too.
  • BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113
    surbiton said:

    The union of Ireland will come soon. Thanks to Brexit.

    I wonder how the 18-24 year olds voted.

    United Ireland will indeed come soon, but thanks to demographics.

    http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/619-is-ulster-doomed-scenarios-for-repartition
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,776
    Likely 29 DUP, now that the count is done in Lagan Valley.

    Astonishingly, SDLP have just clung on to their second seat in South Down, ahead of Alliance. This was a stronghold till recently.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    SF biggest number of seats certainly won't make May's life any easier over Brexit. Ha ha!

    Sky reporting Westminster likely to take back control of Ni
    That would be a disaster. If Sinn Fein have won these elections then they deserve the chance to have their leader as First Minister.

    Shocking that all this could have been avoided had Arlene had any self respect and resigned. Now she almost certainly will have to anyway but not before taking out her cause and her colleagues first.
    It would only happen if they fail to form a government, and they have previously said they won't go back into government with the DUP. The UK government wouldn't take back control only because SF won.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,192
    SF have just got the first MLA over the line in North Antrim of all places. Gobsmacked.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,776
    surbiton said:

    The union of Ireland will come soon. Thanks to Brexit.

    I wonder how the 18-24 year olds voted.

    Even with the excellent vote for Sinn Fein, Nationalist parties won just under 40%, and plenty of SDLP would vote to stay in the UK.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    You underestimate what a deep psychological blow it will be to their dreams of Making England Great Again. If the rest of the UK says 'you're on your own', it won't take five minutes for feelings of humiliation and rejection to set in.
  • Arlene is back in the building. Morrow has his coat on
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,719

    The SDLP seem to have done appallingly.

    How have they collapsed so much among middle class Catholics ?

    Yes so it is hardly a massive vote for nationalism, many unionists will have voted Alliance and of course the DUP narrowly won the first preference count despite SF gains
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,776

    SF have just got the first MLA over the line in North Antrim of all places. Gobsmacked.

    There's always been a Nationalist seat in North Antrim.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Mortimer said:

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    The sticky conversation would be about London. Little English Conservatives (and the phrase is fair for those who are interested only in like-minded brethren) don't like London or its values. But boy, they like its money.
    London quite likes our food, water, and our houses too.
    London manages ok for water. Unless the little Englanders are planning on damming the Thames?

    As for food, the little Englanders are no doubt working on self-picking crops but until then it would probably be wiser to secure supplies elsewhere.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,968

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    The sticky conversation would be about London. Little English Conservatives (and the phrase is fair for those who are interested only in like-minded brethren) don't like London or its values. But boy, they like its money.
    And London likes Little England's food, water and energy supplies. Even if doesn't like the 'carrot crunchers' or their values.

    In reality London's prosperity depends upon financial services and being the location of the British state.

    An independent London would certainly lose the latter and most likely the former.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,732

    Mortimer said:

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    The sticky conversation would be about London. Little English Conservatives (and the phrase is fair for those who are interested only in like-minded brethren) don't like London or its values. But boy, they like its money.
    London quite likes our food, water, and our houses too.
    London manages ok for water. Unless the little Englanders are planning on damming the Thames?

    As for food, the little Englanders are no doubt working on self-picking crops but until then it would probably be wiser to secure supplies elsewhere.
    Hornchurch and Upminster the perfect place to live, straddling the two as it does?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,776

    Mortimer said:

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    The sticky conversation would be about London. Little English Conservatives (and the phrase is fair for those who are interested only in like-minded brethren) don't like London or its values. But boy, they like its money.
    London quite likes our food, water, and our houses too.
    London manages ok for water. Unless the little Englanders are planning on damming the Thames?

    As for food, the little Englanders are no doubt working on self-picking crops but until then it would probably be wiser to secure supplies elsewhere.
    However, the City's financial transactions are guaranteed by the UK as a whole, with the B o E being lender of last resort.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,968

    SF biggest number of seats certainly won't make May's life any easier over Brexit. Ha ha!

    Sky reporting Westminster likely to take back control of Ni
    That would be a disaster. If Sinn Fein have won these elections then they deserve the chance to have their leader as First Minister.

    Shocking that all this could have been avoided had Arlene had any self respect and resigned. Now she almost certainly will have to anyway but not before taking out her cause and her colleagues first.
    Indeed.

    I suspect a bit of SF leading the government might not boost their support - they're not the SNP.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,037

    Give that girl an award though

    My Mummy says you hate foreigners.

    +1

    To coin a phrase Farage is a c*nt!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,719

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    You underestimate what a deep psychological blow it will be to their dreams of Making England Great Again. If the rest of the UK says 'you're on your own', it won't take five minutes for feelings of humiliation and rejection to set in.
    Rubbish, Wales for starters voted Leave and there is no nationalist majority tonight and not is there in Scotland either. Though most Leavers would probably prefer a return to England and Wales with border control and sovereignty than a return to the EU
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,192
    edited March 2017
    Sean_F said:

    SF have just got the first MLA over the line in North Antrim of all places. Gobsmacked.

    There's always been a Nationalist seat in North Antrim.
    But the first one elected?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    The sticky conversation would be about London. Little English Conservatives (and the phrase is fair for those who are interested only in like-minded brethren) don't like London or its values. But boy, they like its money.
    And London likes Little England's food, water and energy supplies. Even if doesn't like the 'carrot crunchers' or their values.

    In reality London's prosperity depends upon financial services and being the location of the British state.

    An independent London would certainly lose the latter and most likely the former.
    It's remarkable how quickly the little Englanders resort to attempted blackmail (and how poorly informed they are - the public sector share of London's economy is the smallest in Britain). But they can't expect to keep sponging off Londoners and openly hating them indefinitely.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,719

    surbiton said:

    The union of Ireland will come soon. Thanks to Brexit.

    I wonder how the 18-24 year olds voted.

    United Ireland will indeed come soon, but thanks to demographics.

    http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/619-is-ulster-doomed-scenarios-for-repartition
    More Catholics back the Union than Protestants a United Ireland and any prospect of the latter will lead unionist paramilitaries to return to the bomb and bullet as direct rule from Westminster would see the IRA do the same, power sharing is the only way forward
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,922

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    The sticky conversation would be about London. Little English Conservatives (and the phrase is fair for those who are interested only in like-minded brethren) don't like London or its values. But boy, they like its money.
    And London likes Little England's food, water and energy supplies. Even if doesn't like the 'carrot crunchers' or their values.

    In reality London's prosperity depends upon financial services and being the location of the British state.

    An independent London would certainly lose the latter and most likely the former.
    It's remarkable how quickly the little Englanders resort to attempted blackmail (and how poorly informed they are - the public sector share of London's economy is the smallest in Britain). But they can't expect to keep sponging off Londoners and openly hating them indefinitely.
    Sanctimony much?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    The sticky conversation would be about London. Little English Conservatives (and the phrase is fair for those who are interested only in like-minded brethren) don't like London or its values. But boy, they like its money.
    And London likes Little England's food, water and energy supplies. Even if doesn't like the 'carrot crunchers' or their values.

    In reality London's prosperity depends upon financial services and being the location of the British state.

    An independent London would certainly lose the latter and most likely the former.
    It's remarkable how quickly the little Englanders resort to attempted blackmail (and how poorly informed they are - the public sector share of London's economy is the smallest in Britain). But they can't expect to keep sponging off Londoners and openly hating them indefinitely.
    And the point about London's money was different how?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,922
    RobD said:

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    The sticky conversation would be about London. Little English Conservatives (and the phrase is fair for those who are interested only in like-minded brethren) don't like London or its values. But boy, they like its money.
    And London likes Little England's food, water and energy supplies. Even if doesn't like the 'carrot crunchers' or their values.

    In reality London's prosperity depends upon financial services and being the location of the British state.

    An independent London would certainly lose the latter and most likely the former.
    It's remarkable how quickly the little Englanders resort to attempted blackmail (and how poorly informed they are - the public sector share of London's economy is the smallest in Britain). But they can't expect to keep sponging off Londoners and openly hating them indefinitely.
    And the point about London's money was different how?
    Quite.

    Can we have a petition to bring back the sensible, logical antifrank?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    Lame simile, you mean kittens rather than cuddly toys.

    I must say that the less the country I live in is to the taste of someone who voluntarily spends leisure time in Orban's Hungary, the happier I am. It must be like Westworld, only set in 1930s Bavaria.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,968

    Mortimer said:

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    The sticky conversation would be about London. Little English Conservatives (and the phrase is fair for those who are interested only in like-minded brethren) don't like London or its values. But boy, they like its money.
    London quite likes our food, water, and our houses too.
    London manages ok for water. Unless the little Englanders are planning on damming the Thames?

    As for food, the little Englanders are no doubt working on self-picking crops but until then it would probably be wiser to secure supplies elsewhere.
    I suppose London could do but is bringing back the East End docks really a good idea ? But then again all the banks will have moved so Canary Wharf can be knocked down.

    And I see you've neglected the issue of energy supplies - Bankside will be available again when Tate Modern is relocated to England. Still I doubt that will be enough so London will have to pay the new rate of only 10x currently. Law of supply and demand :wink:
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,776

    Sean_F said:

    SF have just got the first MLA over the line in North Antrim of all places. Gobsmacked.

    There's always been a Nationalist seat in North Antrim.
    But the first one elected?
    No surprise, when you field one candidate, and the other parties field several.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Mortimer said:

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    The sticky conversation would be about London. Little English Conservatives (and the phrase is fair for those who are interested only in like-minded brethren) don't like London or its values. But boy, they like its money.
    London quite likes our food, water, and our houses too.
    London manages ok for water. Unless the little Englanders are planning on damming the Thames?

    As for food, the little Englanders are no doubt working on self-picking crops but until then it would probably be wiser to secure supplies elsewhere.
    I suppose London could do but is bringing back the East End docks really a good idea ? But then again all the banks will have moved so Canary Wharf can be knocked down.

    And I see you've neglected the issue of energy supplies - Bankside will be available again when Tate Modern is relocated to England. Still I doubt that will be enough so London will have to pay the new rate of only 10x currently. Law of supply and demand :wink:
    If the little Englanders are really determined not to sell energy to London at normal market prices, other options would need to be explored. Playing energy blackmail has not enhanced Russia's position in the European energy market.

    But since Putin is the new pin-up of the little Englanders, perhaps it is to be expected that they would emulate his mistakes.
  • If Sinn Fein do become the largest party/we're back to direct rule, does this increase the threat of Irish terrorism on the mainland?

    Or am I stereotyping Irish people the way some people do with Muslims?
  • CornishBlueCornishBlue Posts: 840
    HYUFD said:

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    You underestimate what a deep psychological blow it will be to their dreams of Making England Great Again. If the rest of the UK says 'you're on your own', it won't take five minutes for feelings of humiliation and rejection to set in.
    Rubbish, Wales for starters voted Leave and there is no nationalist majority tonight and not is there in Scotland either. Though most Leavers would probably prefer a return to England and Wales with border control and sovereignty than a return to the EU
    Yup. And why not?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    SF have just got the first MLA over the line in North Antrim of all places. Gobsmacked.

    There's always been a Nationalist seat in North Antrim.
    But the first one elected?
    No surprise, when you field one candidate, and the other parties field several.
    The point is they weren't elected in the first round last time, despite being roughly the same situation in terms of how many candidates each party fielded.
  • Her voice is breaking. I think she is going
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    Her voice is breaking. I think she is going

    Foster? Probably should have gone before!
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,968

    It looks increasingly as if Leavers, like three year olds with cuddly toys, might have loved the UK to death.

    The trend to devolution has been happening since 1997.

    You can see the Leave vote as part of that trend in it being a vote against EverCloserUnion.

    And there will be no shortage of English Conservatives not displeased by EverLooserUnion with Scotland and Northern Ireland.

    Some will even be hoping that Scouseland can go the same way.
    The sticky conversation would be about London. Little English Conservatives (and the phrase is fair for those who are interested only in like-minded brethren) don't like London or its values. But boy, they like its money.
    And London likes Little England's food, water and energy supplies. Even if doesn't like the 'carrot crunchers' or their values.

    In reality London's prosperity depends upon financial services and being the location of the British state.

    An independent London would certainly lose the latter and most likely the former.
    It's remarkable how quickly the little Englanders resort to attempted blackmail (and how poorly informed they are - the public sector share of London's economy is the smallest in Britain). But they can't expect to keep sponging off Londoners and openly hating them indefinitely.
    Its remarkable how quickly Little Londoners resort to attempted blackmail (and how poorly informed they are - London gets half of England's transport infrastructure investment). But they can't expect to keep sponging off England and openly hating them indefinitely.

    I thought London was meant to be the heart of capitalism yet some Londoners so panicky about the law of supply and demand.

    The inconvenient fact is that England can survive without London but London can't survive without England.

    Still in 2018 we have the London local elections, can we expect the LNP to stand ?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,756

    Arlene left the count refusing to speak to BBC

    So just like the rest of her campaign.
  • Conciliatory speech. Neither SF or DUP will want another election for different reasons. The Assembly might well get up and running after this
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    Hooray for lawyers

    twitter.com/hendopolis/status/837769941717827588

    Lawyers aren't experts right? Checking for a friend....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    Hooray for lawyers

    "Britain owes Brussels nothing" - It's a good thing we don't want anything from them then...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    edited March 2017
    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Ugh, I'm sick of this whining.

    As I said last week, the most frustrating thing about the Labour leadership is they don't even really seem to put in any effort. The Corbyn "relaunch" in January is a perfect example: he did one day of media interviews, got some bad press, and then he and his team all seemed to decide it wasn't worth even trying to make an effort since the media would always spin them badly, and Corbyn went back into hiding for weeks on end. The media are a bunch of right-wing bastards, true, but life is tough; you just get over it and make the best of a bad situation, not sit around feeling sorry for yourself and not even trying to make things better.
    Indeed. I've never been a fan of the Corbyn movement, but I at least occasionally entertained the idea early on that perhaps they would not be as bad as it seemed, but as of 2017 they are such a bunch of whiners I've lost even a modicum of patience with them.

    We get it, people have been mean, maybe even unfair. That they cannot deal with that in ways other than whinging doesn't make their being unable to handle it less a sign of incompetence.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,756

    Pulpstar said:

    Surely NI elections are a bigger political story than this ?

    Yes. But I've been at the hospital most of the day and haven't been following it
    Quick recovery I hope.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    Hooray for lawyers

    hts://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/837769941717827588

    Government lawyers also said the government had the power to declare article 50.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,776

    Her voice is breaking. I think she is going

    She has to.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    Mr Nesbitt said the electorate had rejected his message and he had to take responsibility for what happened.

    Crazy notion.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    kle4 said:

    Hooray for lawyers

    hts://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/837769941717827588

    Government lawyers also said the government had the power to declare article 50.
    Quite. Although I can't see how the EU got to such a large figure. I accept the need to pay for pensions contributions, but not about projects that will be starting after we leave.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited March 2017

    Hooray for lawyers

    twitter.com/hendopolis/status/837769941717827588


    "Think of it like a golf club. Once you leave there is no obligation to keep paying."

    (Gov source)
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,968
    It may well be revealing that Project Fear never said anything of this financial obligation to the EU during the referendum campaign.

    I rather suspect it is almost all FakeNews, perhaps to divert attention from the fact that the UK does have a legal claim on the EU's assets.
  • Dave was right, Brexit would lead to more terrorism.

    An Asda worker has been jailed for eight years after claiming he was joining radicals linked to Islamic State in order to escape the effects of Brexit.

    White convert Ryan Ashley Counsell, 28, from Nottingham, claimed his interest in living "off the grid" in the Philippines had been prompted by watching the series Lives In The Wild by the TV presenter Ben Fogle.

    http://news.sky.com/story/asda-shelf-stacker-ryan-ashley-counsell-planned-to-join-militants-in-post-brexit-low-10788720?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    "Think of it like a golf club. Once you leave there is no obligation to keep paying."

    (Gov source)

    He's obviously been spending too much time on the course... Not the golf course but the 'How to lose friends and alienate people' course.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    Hooray for lawyers

    twitter.com/hendopolis/status/837769941717827588

    It may well be revealing that Project Fear never said anything of this financial obligation to the EU during the referendum campaign.

    I rather suspect it is almost all FakeNews, perhaps to divert attention from the fact that the UK does have a legal claim on the EU's assets.
    Yes, we want our share of that giant egg they built in Brussels!
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    kle4 said:

    Hooray for lawyers

    hts://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/837769941717827588

    Government lawyers also said the government had the power to declare article 50.

    "the legal advice, which has been backed up by independent experts"

  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651
    isam said:



    London manages ok for water. Unless the little Englanders are planning on damming the Thames?

    As for food, the little Englanders are no doubt working on self-picking crops but until then it would probably be wiser to secure supplies elsewhere.

    Hornchurch and Upminster the perfect place to live, straddling the two as it does?
    I am very seriously considering moving to Gidea Park, or possibly Harold Wood (which is still technically London but on the cusp of the rural).

    Partly in the hope that CrossRail is going to make them substantially more desirable places to live, but Gidea Park is quite plush for that end of London, and I like the countryside around Harold Wood.

    If anyone has any advice on this area then 'twould be gratefully received.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,968

    Hooray for lawyers

    twitter.com/hendopolis/status/837769941717827588


    "Think of it like a golf club. Once you leave there is no obligation to keep paying."

    (Gov source)
    Or a 'Dining Club'.

    Wasn't that the comparison that Stuart Rose made with EU membership.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    "Think of it like a golf club. Once you leave there is no obligation to keep paying."

    (Gov source)

    He's obviously been spending too much time on the course... Not the golf course but the 'How to lose friends and alienate people' course.
    So we are paying them to like us?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    RobD said:

    "Think of it like a golf club. Once you leave there is no obligation to keep paying."

    (Gov source)

    He's obviously been spending too much time on the course... Not the golf course but the 'How to lose friends and alienate people' course.
    So we are paying them to like us?
    No but comparing it to a golf club hardly demonstrates that we have any deep understanding of the importance of the EU to its other members. It just makes us look trivial and offensive.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    kle4 said:

    Hooray for lawyers

    hts://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/837769941717827588

    Government lawyers also said the government had the power to declare article 50.

    "the legal advice, which has been backed up by independent experts"

    Some backed the government position on A50 too (indeed, 3 Supreme Court judges agreed).

    I'm not saying they are wrong, I have no way of knowing, but merely because lawyers say so isn't definitive, nor even because some experts agree, so unless the matter is truly tested (and surely more probably we'll meet somewhere in the middle) it's no more settled.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,922

    RobD said:

    "Think of it like a golf club. Once you leave there is no obligation to keep paying."

    (Gov source)

    He's obviously been spending too much time on the course... Not the golf course but the 'How to lose friends and alienate people' course.
    So we are paying them to like us?
    No but comparing it to a golf club hardly demonstrates that we have any deep understanding of the importance of the EU to its other members. It just makes us look trivial and offensive.
    Snowflakey about your pet project Mr Glenn ?
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