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In yesterday’s Independent Arron Banks, the UKIP donor, said he would definitively stand against Douglas Carswell in Clacton at the next general election, so Paddy Power have a market up on which of those two will receive the most votes at the next general election.

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TwistedFireStopper

First?

Scott_P

@PolhomeEditor: So ... it looks like the 2015/16 tax return Jeremy Corbyn published on his website today is wrong.

@JasonGroves1: Team Corbyn saying they hired accountants to try and get his tax return right this year. But it's still wrong.

AlastairMeeks

Give us the aspiration we can cause a sensation.
Give us the motivation we can stop immigration.

logical_song

" in Putney at the 1997 general election"
Sir James came fourth with 3.5% (but he did beat UKIP on 0.5%).

AnneJGP

Is it known that Mr Carswell would like the post of Speaker? He always strikes me as a person who's keen to get things done, rather than someone who enjoys the process involved.

(edited for spelling)

TheScreamingEagles

AlastairMeeks said:

Give us the aspiration we can cause a sensation.
Give us the motivation we can stop immigration.

Well done for spotting my subtle pop music reference.

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

TheScreamingEagles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Give us the aspiration we can cause a sensation.
Give us the motivation we can stop immigration.

Well done for spotting my subtle pop music reference.

Subtle? More PB doublespeak

AlastairMeeks

TheScreamingEagles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Give us the aspiration we can cause a sensation.
Give us the motivation we can stop immigration.

Well done for spotting my subtle pop music reference.

I'm multitalented. Aside from a thread on the EU exit charge and spotting 90s pop references, I've also made a Turkish delight cheesecake today.

That last is definitely the zenith of today's achievements.

AlastairMeeks

On topic, I'd make it 4/1 against Arron Banks running. He doesn't strike me as the type to deign to submit himself to the electorate.

Luckyguy1983

I can't see Arron Banks winning, but he could seriously split the UKIP vote.

Mortimer

AlastairMeeks said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Give us the aspiration we can cause a sensation.
Give us the motivation we can stop immigration.

Well done for spotting my subtle pop music reference.

I'm multitalented. Aside from a thread on the EU exit charge and spotting 90s pop references, I've also made a Turkish delight cheesecake today.

That last is definitely the zenith of today's achievements.

Bloody hell that sounds fantastic.

It seems our food tastes align rather a lot! Pineapple and striking delight...

AnneJGP

AlastairMeeks said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Give us the aspiration we can cause a sensation.
Give us the motivation we can stop immigration.

Well done for spotting my subtle pop music reference.

I'm multitalented. Aside from a thread on the EU exit charge and spotting 90s pop references, I've also made a Turkish delight cheesecake today.

That last is definitely the zenith of today's achievements.

I really do hope it is/was delicious but it sounds ..... yuk.

Mortimer

Does Corbyn get a salary as LOTO?

AlastairMeeks

AnneJGP said:

AlastairMeeks said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Give us the aspiration we can cause a sensation.
Give us the motivation we can stop immigration.

Well done for spotting my subtle pop music reference.

I'm multitalented. Aside from a thread on the EU exit charge and spotting 90s pop references, I've also made a Turkish delight cheesecake today.

That last is definitely the zenith of today's achievements.

I really do hope it is/was delicious but it sounds ..... yuk.

It really was delicious. A Marcus Wareing recipe but very easy even for a palooka like me.

TheScreamingEagles

AlastairMeeks said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Give us the aspiration we can cause a sensation.
Give us the motivation we can stop immigration.

Well done for spotting my subtle pop music reference.

I'm multitalented. Aside from a thread on the EU exit charge and spotting 90s pop references, I've also made a Turkish delight cheesecake today.

That last is definitely the zenith of today's achievements.

Turkish delight cheesecake.

I've gone all Phoenix Nights and garlic bread.

TheScreamingEagles

Mortimer said:

Does Corbyn get a salary as LOTO?

Yes

isam

Luckyguy1983 said:

I can't see Arron Banks winning, but he could seriously split the UKIP vote.

If he ran, & Carswell was a ukip candidate, I'd make the Conservatives favourite I think.

ydoethur

Scott_P said:

@PolhomeEditor: So ... it looks like the 2015/16 tax return Jeremy Corbyn published on his website today is wrong.

@JasonGroves1: Team Corbyn saying they hired accountants to try and get his tax return right this year. But it's still wrong.

That is quite astonishing.

Isn't it a good job he will never get his mitts on the consolidated fund? Heaven only knows what sort of mess he'd make of handling it.

Scott_P

McDonnell appeared on TV this morning and challenged the chancellor to produce his tax returns. Obviously part of some coordinated plan...

https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/838480755474878465

We need new ways to characterise this level of incompetence

Razedabode

Scott_P said:

McDonnell appeared on TV this morning and challenged the chancellor to produce his tax returns. Obviously part of some coordinated plan...

https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/838480755474878465

We need new ways to characterise this level of incompetence

And this idiot could run the country..how? Once was bad enough but two dodgy tax returns in a row..

ydoethur

Scott_P said:

McDonnell appeared on TV this morning and challenged the chancellor to produce his tax returns. Obviously part of some coordinated plan...

https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/838480755474878465

We need new ways to characterise this level of incompetence

And quite brilliantly Corbyn has made the story once again about his uselessness rather than Hammond's income or indeed tax policies.

If Stephen Pile were writing now he'd put Corbyn ahead of MacGonagall as the ultimate Heroic Failure.

ydoethur

Razedabode said:

Scott_P said:

McDonnell appeared on TV this morning and challenged the chancellor to produce his tax returns. Obviously part of some coordinated plan...

https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/838480755474878465

We need new ways to characterise this level of incompetence

And this idiot could run the country..how? Once was bad enough but two dodgy tax returns in a row..

If he is prosecuted for tax evasion (the irony of which would of course be delicious) will he have to resign?

dr_spyn

SNAFU, Corbyn can't organise a piss up in a brewery.

http://jeremycorbyn.org.uk/articles/jeremy-corbyn-my-tax-return-2/

Can't get an enlarged version of the Corbyn Tax Return.

rcs1000

Interesting from I&O. Support for Geert Wilder's PVV by age:

18-25 yrs: 30%
26-35: 25%
36-50: 17%
61-65: 10%
65+: 2%

Staggering how little support he has from the oldies, and how much from youth.

surbiton

ydoethur said:

Razedabode said:

Scott_P said:

McDonnell appeared on TV this morning and challenged the chancellor to produce his tax returns. Obviously part of some coordinated plan...

https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/838480755474878465

We need new ways to characterise this level of incompetence

And this idiot could run the country..how? Once was bad enough but two dodgy tax returns in a row..

If he is prosecuted for tax evasion (the irony of which would of course be delicious) will he have to resign?

You are not a tax evader if you do not submit your tax returns. Many people don't. But is there any evidence that he does not pay taxes. I am pretty sure 100% of his income is taxed at source.

surbiton

rcs1000 said:

Interesting from I&O. Support for Geert Wilder's PVV by age:

18-25 yrs: 30%
26-35: 25%
36-50: 17%
61-65: 10%
65+: 2%

Staggering how little support he has from the oldies, and how much from youth.

Would be opposite in the UK.

ydoethur

surbiton said:

ydoethur said:

Razedabode said:

Scott_P said:

McDonnell appeared on TV this morning and challenged the chancellor to produce his tax returns. Obviously part of some coordinated plan...

https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/838480755474878465

We need new ways to characterise this level of incompetence

And this idiot could run the country..how? Once was bad enough but two dodgy tax returns in a row..

If he is prosecuted for tax evasion (the irony of which would of course be delicious) will he have to resign?

You are not a tax evader if you do not submit your tax returns. Many people don't. But is there any evidence that he does not pay taxes. I am pretty sure 100% of his income is taxed at source.

Failing to declare income on a tax return, whether taxed at source or not, is an offence. It might affect how much tax he is charged on the income from his self-employment (presumably journalism).

If you only have one income taxes via PAYE, it isn't a problem, of course.

Luckyguy1983

isam said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

I can't see Arron Banks winning, but he could seriously split the UKIP vote.

If he ran, & Carswell was a ukip candidate, I'd make the Conservatives favourite I think.

Yes. It's an interesting situation. You might think it would push Carswell back to the Tories, but that would look awful.

FrancisUrquhart

Top gear - laughs more forced than a hostage reading the prepared statement of a terrorist.

gettingbetter

Not much leadership nor opposition. Maybe he didn't feel it right to claim. Fair play.

TheWhiteRabbit

rcs1000 said:

Interesting from I&O. Support for Geert Wilder's PVV by age:

18-25 yrs: 30%
26-35: 25%
36-50: 17%
61-65: 10%
65+: 2%

Staggering how little support he has from the oldies, and how much from youth.

Over 50s voting for the over fifties party!!

surbiton

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

surbiton

ydoethur said:

surbiton said:

ydoethur said:

Razedabode said:

Scott_P said:

McDonnell appeared on TV this morning and challenged the chancellor to produce his tax returns. Obviously part of some coordinated plan...

https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/838480755474878465

We need new ways to characterise this level of incompetence

And this idiot could run the country..how? Once was bad enough but two dodgy tax returns in a row..

If he is prosecuted for tax evasion (the irony of which would of course be delicious) will he have to resign?

You are not a tax evader if you do not submit your tax returns. Many people don't. But is there any evidence that he does not pay taxes. I am pretty sure 100% of his income is taxed at source.

Failing to declare income on a tax return, whether taxed at source or not, is an offence. It might affect how much tax he is charged on the income from his self-employment (presumably journalism).

If you only have one income taxes via PAYE, it isn't a problem, of course.

I don't think Corbyn accepts money for writing. He is not that type. Not like our Ken.

ydoethur

surbiton said:

ydoethur said:

surbiton said:

ydoethur said:

Razedabode said:

Scott_P said:

McDonnell appeared on TV this morning and challenged the chancellor to produce his tax returns. Obviously part of some coordinated plan...

https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/838480755474878465

We need new ways to characterise this level of incompetence

And this idiot could run the country..how? Once was bad enough but two dodgy tax returns in a row..

If he is prosecuted for tax evasion (the irony of which would of course be delicious) will he have to resign?

You are not a tax evader if you do not submit your tax returns. Many people don't. But is there any evidence that he does not pay taxes. I am pretty sure 100% of his income is taxed at source.

Failing to declare income on a tax return, whether taxed at source or not, is an offence. It might affect how much tax he is charged on the income from his self-employment (presumably journalism).

If you only have one income taxes via PAYE, it isn't a problem, of course.

I don't think Corbyn accepts money for writing. He is not that type. Not like our Ken.

Where it comes from is irrelevant (although that in itself begs questions). The fact is he has private income requiring self-assessment and it would appear he has failed to declare all his income.

The fine if convicted would not be princely - if my calculations are right it would be about £600 - but if he has missed this money off he's in line for it. How embarrassing would that be?

rottenborough

Pierre Briançon‏Verified account @pierrebri 31m31 minutes ago

Pierre Briançon Retweeted Alain Juppé
Juppé says he will make a statement tomorrow at 10h30. Probably meaning he won't run and Fillon stays in.

rottenborough

Juppe drifting out on BF.

FrancisUrquhart

God corbyn cocked his tax return stunt up AGAIN... No idea how he got 2 x Es at a-level.

MTimT

England 200-1 plus 5 batsmen who didn't bother to show up.

SandyRentool

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Roger

TSE

Great puns on the last thread......Up there with "No Time Toulouse" and "The Best 4x4 by Far"

TheScreamingEagles

Is the more plausible explanation that Corbyn decided not to take the Leader of the Opposition portion of the salary?

williamglenn

rottenborough said:

Pierre Briançon‏Verified account @pierrebri 31m31 minutes ago

Pierre Briançon Retweeted Alain Juppé
Juppé says he will make a statement tomorrow at 10h30. Probably meaning he won't run and Fillon stays in.

I wonder if Macron is Machiavellian enough to have promised him a role in his government.

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

Is the more plausible explanation that Corbyn decided not to take the Leader of the Opposition portion of the salary?

Or that he didn't know about it?

FrancisUrquhart

MTimT said:

England 200-1 plus 5 batsmen who didn't bother to show up.

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

Mortimer

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

TheScreamingEagles

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

rcs1000

TheWhiteRabbit said:

rcs1000 said:

Interesting from I&O. Support for Geert Wilder's PVV by age:

18-25 yrs: 30%
26-35: 25%
36-50: 17%
61-65: 10%
65+: 2%

Staggering how little support he has from the oldies, and how much from youth.

Over 50s voting for the over fifties party!!

The 50+ Party does surprisingly well with the 36-50 group, but very poorly with the real youngsters.

chestnut

TheScreamingEagles said:

Is the more plausible explanation that Corbyn decided not to take the Leader of the Opposition portion of the salary?

He'd be breaking the Trade Descriptions Act if he did, surely?

FrancisUrquhart

No idea who this person is, but sums up my feelings...

https://twitter.com/davewknight/status/838486679694487552

Big_G_NorthWales

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Unlikely though the amendment for a meaningful vote may be tight depending on how many more conservatives rebel than the 7 last time

Mortimer

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Big_G_NorthWales

England need 14 from 28 balls

Sunil_Prasannan

"We must be SAD! Literally SAD!"

FrancisUrquhart

Big_G_NorthWales said:

England need 14 from 28 balls

Even england can't f##k this up...surely...

TheScreamingEagles

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

ydoethur

The Independent seems to think he's taking the full amount:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jeremy-corbyn-says-not-wealthy-despite-130k-salary-labour-scotland-out-of-touch-a7212811.html

Sunil_Prasannan

Roger said:

TSE

Great puns on the last thread......Up there with "No Time Toulouse" and "The Best 4x4 by Far"

Terrible puns from TSE... Sad...

Big_G_NorthWales

Woakes dropped

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

Mandateless? Leadsome withdrew...

Mortimer

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

So lots of mandateless people want a unilateral guarantee on something - I would be very irate if I were an ex pat.

MikeL

Surely Corbyn's leader salary would be included on the same P60 as his MPs salary.

Ditto for Ministers - surely their ministerial salary is paid with their MPs salary as one salary from one employer with one P60.

If so, one wonders whether Corbyn actual claimed the higher salary for being leader?

Perhaps he wasn't even aware of it, so never claimed it?

FrancisUrquhart

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Top gear - laughs more forced than a hostage reading the prepared statement of a terrorist.

They've managed to make it, arguably, even worse than the Chris Evans version.

They should have just completely reinvented it. Everything.

The only people laughing are clarkson and co who now get paid insane amounts of dosh to galavant around the world doing whatever the hell they like.

Big_G_NorthWales

England win cricket

ydoethur

MikeL said:

Surely Corbyn's leader salary would be included on the same P60 as his MPs salary.

Ditto for Ministers - surely their ministerial salary is paid with their MPs salary as one salary from one employer with one P60.

If so, one wonders whether Corbyn actual claimed the higher salary for being leader?

Perhaps he wasn't even aware of it, so never claimed it?

No - it's from the Cabinet Office. MPs are I think paid via Parliament.

Also I have just seen a suggestion that MPs are technically self employed and paid Commission, not a salary, and therefore have to fill in a tax return for this. It seems unlikely, but does anyone know if it is true? If so, and if he took the money, Corbyn may be in rather deeper trouble than I thought. He might be on the hook for around £75,000.

Mortimer

Big_G_NorthWales said:

England win cricket

Same as it ever was.

Freggles

A few things.
1. You could have at least said "frothing" not "foaming" to increase the troll factor.
2. Aaron Banks will probably not enjoy your metaphor and may bring a hailstorm of angry Kippers to our tranquil shores
3. I really really want Turkish delight cheesecake or at least the recipe

dr_spyn

ITN & Sky picked up Corbyn Tax story.

Guido claims he censored details of Corbyn's Nat Insurance and Taxpayer numbers.

Tis such sport to see the engineer hoist with his own petard.

TheScreamingEagles

Freggles said:

A few things.
1. You could have at least said "frothing" not "foaming" to increase the troll factor.
2. Aaron Banks will probably not enjoy your metaphor and may bring a hailstorm of angry Kippers to our tranquil shores
3. I really really want Turkish delight cheesecake or at least the recipe

I had to use foaming, it was from a memorable speech.

As for the recipe

http://www.greatbritishchefs.com/recipes/turkish-delight-cheesecake

DavidL

Surely Woakes for MOTM. Excellent all round performance and his scoring rate meant that Root was not obliged to take any risks at all.

This WI side is good but they are not Carling. Dropped catches made what should have been tricky easy.

MarkHopkins

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

The backstabber rides again.

Roger

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Roger said:

TSE

Great puns on the last thread......Up there with "No Time Toulouse" and "The Best 4x4 by Far"

Terrible puns from TSE... Sad...

Puns are supposed to be terrible....

MarkHopkins

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Top gear - laughs more forced than a hostage reading the prepared statement of a terrorist.

They've managed to make it, arguably, even worse than the Chris Evans version.

They should have just completely reinvented it. Everything.

It was always the Clarkson & Co show. A point I'm not sure the BBC really understood.

Ishmael_Z

ydoethur said:

MikeL said:

Surely Corbyn's leader salary would be included on the same P60 as his MPs salary.

Ditto for Ministers - surely their ministerial salary is paid with their MPs salary as one salary from one employer with one P60.

If so, one wonders whether Corbyn actual claimed the higher salary for being leader?

Perhaps he wasn't even aware of it, so never claimed it?

No - it's from the Cabinet Office. MPs are I think paid via Parliament.

Also I have just seen a suggestion that MPs are technically self employed and paid Commission, not a salary, and therefore have to fill in a tax return for this. It seems unlikely, but does anyone know if it is true? If so, and if he took the money, Corbyn may be in rather deeper trouble than I thought. He might be on the hook for around £75,000.

I think we learned last time around that there is a special Revenue form for MPs.

Cookie

ydoethur said:

surbiton said:

ydoethur said:

Razedabode said:

Scott_P said:

McDonnell appeared on TV this morning and challenged the chancellor to produce his tax returns. Obviously part of some coordinated plan...

https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/838480755474878465

We need new ways to characterise this level of incompetence

And this idiot could run the country..how? Once was bad enough but two dodgy tax returns in a row..

If he is prosecuted for tax evasion (the irony of which would of course be delicious) will he have to resign?

You are not a tax evader if you do not submit your tax returns. Many people don't. But is there any evidence that he does not pay taxes. I am pretty sure 100% of his income is taxed at source.

Failing to declare income on a tax return, whether taxed at source or not, is an offence. It might affect how much tax he is charged on the income from his self-employment (presumably journalism).

If you only have one income taxes via PAYE, it isn't a problem, of course.

This surely isn't the way the whole adventure ends? I'm genuinely laughing at this. Obviously for the sake of the nation we need a decent opposition, etc, but surely nothing in politics will ever be as hilariously useless as Labour is currently offering (with, it must be said, admirable supoprt from UKIP).

Off thread - I haven't really drunk more than one glass of wine at a sitting for several years - I much prefer beer nowadays - but I've opened a bottle of something called Apothic red tonight and it''s absolutely unputdownable. It may all be rather gauchely cheap by pb.c standards, but as a non-wine drinker I'm enjoying it tremendously.

surbiton

DavidL said:

Surely Woakes for MOTM. Excellent all round performance and his scoring rate meant that Root was not obliged to take any risks at all.

This WI side is good but they are not Carling. Dropped catches made what should have been tricky easy.

This WI side is pathetic ! #9 for nothing !

Sunil_Prasannan

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

The backstabber rides again.

'Cos you got Gove
Gove
Gove on your side
'Cos you got Gove
Gove
Gove on your side

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N66cGvR5yvU

williamglenn

MarkHopkins said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Top gear - laughs more forced than a hostage reading the prepared statement of a terrorist.

They've managed to make it, arguably, even worse than the Chris Evans version.

They should have just completely reinvented it. Everything.

It was always the Clarkson & Co show. A point I'm not sure the BBC really understood.

And conversely they try to turn shows which are not personality driven into 'star' vehicles. Not Sunday Morning Politics but The Marr Show...

Ishmael_Z

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

And when was Gove last on the wrong side of an argument? I am pretty certain in this instance that his wife has advised him that sticking up for these people will create the illusion that he has a human side to him. Sad.

david_herdson

Just had the absolute joy of condemning Corbyn in Nye Bevan's words:

if [he] is sincere in what he is saying, and he may be, then he is too stupid to be a Prime Minister."

JackW

Roger said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Roger said:

TSE

Great puns on the last thread......Up there with "No Time Toulouse" and "The Best 4x4 by Far"

Terrible puns from TSE... Sad...

Puns are supposed to be terrible....

And TSE never disappoints ....

Sunil_Prasannan

williamglenn said:

MarkHopkins said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Top gear - laughs more forced than a hostage reading the prepared statement of a terrorist.

They've managed to make it, arguably, even worse than the Chris Evans version.

They should have just completely reinvented it. Everything.

It was always the Clarkson & Co show. A point I'm not sure the BBC really understood.

And conversely they try to turn shows which are not personality driven into 'star' vehicles. Not Sunday Morning Politics but The Marr Show...

Peston on Sunday

freetochoose

Notwithstanding pb's header obsession with UKIP's inevitable decline, laying Banks to become an MP anytime, anywhere, ever, is like finding money in the street. I appreciate that isn't a viable bet but you get my drift.

Richard_Tyndall

Ishmael_Z said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

And when was Gove last on the wrong side of an argument? I am pretty certain in this instance that his wife has advised him that sticking up for these people will create the illusion that he has a human side to him. Sad.

As with so very many other things, Gove is absolutely right on this.

Ishmael_Z

Cookie said:

ydoethur said:

surbiton said:

ydoethur said:

Razedabode said:

Scott_P said:

McDonnell appeared on TV this morning and challenged the chancellor to produce his tax returns. Obviously part of some coordinated plan...

https://twitter.com/telepolitics/status/838480755474878465

We need new ways to characterise this level of incompetence

And this idiot could run the country..how? Once was bad enough but two dodgy tax returns in a row..

If he is prosecuted for tax evasion (the irony of which would of course be delicious) will he have to resign?

You are not a tax evader if you do not submit your tax returns. Many people don't. But is there any evidence that he does not pay taxes. I am pretty sure 100% of his income is taxed at source.

Failing to declare income on a tax return, whether taxed at source or not, is an offence. It might affect how much tax he is charged on the income from his self-employment (presumably journalism).

If you only have one income taxes via PAYE, it isn't a problem, of course.

This surely isn't the way the whole adventure ends? I'm genuinely laughing at this. Obviously for the sake of the nation we need a decent opposition, etc, but surely nothing in politics will ever be as hilariously useless as Labour is currently offering (with, it must be said, admirable supoprt from UKIP).

Off thread - I haven't really drunk more than one glass of wine at a sitting for several years - I much prefer beer nowadays - but I've opened a bottle of something called Apothic red tonight and it''s absolutely unputdownable. It may all be rather gauchely cheap by pb.c standards, but as a non-wine drinker I'm enjoying it tremendously.

Apothic has the weirdest website ever, written in (I think) Flash and doesn't work in Chrome but does in ms Edge: how early-2000s is that?

Richard_Tyndall

MarkHopkins said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

The backstabber rides again.

The only person he ever arguably stabbed in the back was Boris and we should all be eternally grateful for that selfless act.

MarkHopkins

Richard_Tyndall said:

Ishmael_Z said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

And when was Gove last on the wrong side of an argument? I am pretty certain in this instance that his wife has advised him that sticking up for these people will create the illusion that he has a human side to him. Sad.

As with so very many other things, Gove is absolutely right on this.

I disagree. Instead of putting pressure on the EU to make a quick and simple deal for both the UK and EU citizens, it turns the UK ex-pats into bargaining chips.

Ishmael_Z

Richard_Tyndall said:

Ishmael_Z said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

And when was Gove last on the wrong side of an argument? I am pretty certain in this instance that his wife has advised him that sticking up for these people will create the illusion that he has a human side to him. Sad.

As with so very many other things, Gove is absolutely right on this.

No he isn't. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, and even if it wasn't, the UK government's most fundamental obligation is to put the interest of UK geese before those of foreign ganders.

Richard_Tyndall

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

May has no more or less of a mandate than any other Prime Minister we have ever had. She has a mandate from being able to command a majority in Parliament which is exactly the same as any other PM.

Sunil_Prasannan

Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

May has no more or less of a mandate than any other Prime Minister we have ever had. She has a mandate from being able to command a majority in Parliament which is exactly the same as any other PM.

TSE's misogyny is showing

dr_spyn

https://twitter.com/carldinnen/status/838499152506073089

Scott_P

They are just trolling us now...

https://twitter.com/owenjbennett/status/838490989459296257

Richard_Tyndall

MarkHopkins said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Ishmael_Z said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

And when was Gove last on the wrong side of an argument? I am pretty certain in this instance that his wife has advised him that sticking up for these people will create the illusion that he has a human side to him. Sad.

As with so very many other things, Gove is absolutely right on this.

I disagree. Instead of putting pressure on the EU to make a quick and simple deal for both the UK and EU citizens, it turns the UK ex-pats into bargaining chips.

Well you are wrong. Simple. It is to the benefit of this country to ensure that EU citizens who already form a part of our society are absolutely clear on our commitment to them. Using them as bargaining chips helps no one.

Big_G_NorthWales

MarkHopkins said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Ishmael_Z said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

And when was Gove last on the wrong side of an argument? I am pretty certain in this instance that his wife has advised him that sticking up for these people will create the illusion that he has a human side to him. Sad.

As with so very many other things, Gove is absolutely right on this.

I disagree. Instead of putting pressure on the EU to make a quick and simple deal for both the UK and EU citizens, it turns the UK ex-pats into bargaining chips.

Listening to a report on EU citizens it seems it is a lot more complicated than just saying they can stay. All kind of rights and welfare benefits together with rights to become British citizens are involved and the same applies to ex pats.

I agree with the sentiment that EU citizens must be allowed to remain but it needs to be part of a comprehensive EU UK deal and for that reason I believe the Lords amendment should be rejected by the HOC and the PM allowed to make it her first priority on the day she serves A50

FrancisUrquhart

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

SeanT said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Top gear - laughs more forced than a hostage reading the prepared statement of a terrorist.

They've managed to make it, arguably, even worse than the Chris Evans version.

They should have just completely reinvented it. Everything.

The only people laughing are clarkson and co who now get paid insane amounts of dosh to galavant around the world doing whatever the hell they like.

I thought, after a hopeful beginning, the Grand Tour was seriously flawed. Over scripted. Forced. But there were still moments of comic genius. And it has Clarkson. So there are grounds for optimism.

This new new Top Gear is unbearable. Euthanise

IMO The grand Tour was 1/3 episodes crap, 1/3 ok, 1/3 up there with best old top gear episodes ever...but 100% of them still better than new top gear.

Richard_Tyndall

Ishmael_Z said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Ishmael_Z said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

And when was Gove last on the wrong side of an argument? I am pretty certain in this instance that his wife has advised him that sticking up for these people will create the illusion that he has a human side to him. Sad.

As with so very many other things, Gove is absolutely right on this.

No he isn't. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, and even if it wasn't, the UK government's most fundamental obligation is to put the interest of UK geese before those of foreign ganders.

Using EU citizens as hostages to fortune will not help the Brits in Europe one bit. Besides the duty of the Government is to do what is best for the country as a whole. Not just for those who have decided to go and live elsewhere.

PlatoSaid

Quite disturbing report

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/revealed-terror-map-of-uk-rdzmm8523

HYUFD

Latest Kantar with Juppe

Le Pen 27% Juppe 24.5% Macron 20%. So Le Pen v Juppe runoff

With Fillon Hamon is just 1% behind him and it is a Le Pen v Macron runoff

Le Pen 26% Macron 25% Fillon 17% Hamon 16%

http://fr.kantar.com/elections/presidentielle/2017/intentions-de-vote-francois-fillon-nettement-distance-par-marine-le-pen-et-emmanuel-macron/

AnneJGP

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

May has no more or less of a mandate than any other Prime Minister we have ever had. She has a mandate from being able to command a majority in Parliament which is exactly the same as any other PM.

TSE's misogyny is showing

Surely that isn't a viable jibe? If the leadership election had gone to a members' vote, there would have been a choice of two women.

FrancisUrquhart

Scott_P said:

They are just trolling us now...

twitter.com/owenjbennett/status/838490989459296257

Couldn't organize a piss up in brewery mother friendly, all religious denomination appropriate, post work social.

Sunil_Prasannan

AnneJGP said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Mortimer said:

SandyRentool said:

surbiton said:

Will the government lose the vote on the right of EU citizens to remain in the UK when the bill returns to the Commons ?

Only if they want to...

Like Max, I will be very disappointed if the Govt cave on this because of the virtue signallers in The Other Place.

Michael Gove is a virtue signaller?

Is he a Lord now?

Well like the Lords he would like the mandate less Mrs May to unilaterally guarantee the rights of 3.2 million EU citizens to remain in the UK.

May has no more or less of a mandate than any other Prime Minister we have ever had. She has a mandate from being able to command a majority in Parliament which is exactly the same as any other PM.

TSE's misogyny is showing

Surely that isn't a viable jibe? If the leadership election had gone to a members' vote, there would have been a choice of two women.

TSE was the leading proponent of the epithet Andrea "Loathsome".