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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    edited June 2017
    1st like Jezza in leadership election 3
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,289
    See if you can spot my 3 (three) subtle pop music references.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    Second like Labour!.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,222
    edited June 2017
    No

    Gove is an odious tit.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Damn, I completely missed the hashtag for the ITV election special featuring Ed Balls and George Osborne...

    #OsBalls
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    edited June 2017
    She'd do well to bin Nick Timothy.

    Perhaps Gove as Minister without Portfolio?
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    TypoTypo Posts: 195
    Which seat do folks think will be the first Tory gain of the night? A North East seat perhaps? Darlington is fairly compact.
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    1st like Jezza in leadership election 3

    :)
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    Anyone know where we can see this Scottish debate?
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Has a post of mine disappeared?! :lol:
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    PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    FTPT:
    The fact that the YouGov model has Stoke-on-Trent south as a tossup is baffling to me. It clearly has issues.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    Wasn't one of the reasons for dropping Gove that he couldn't be trusted with information re his friends at Murdoch papers? Wouldn't be wonderful for keeping her cards close to her chest.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    dixiedean said:

    Second like Labour!.

    Can you not count to 3
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    Pauly said:

    FTPT:
    The fact that the YouGov model has Stoke-on-Trent south as a tossup is baffling to me. It clearly has issues.

    Does YouGov have a forecast on whether the sun will come up tomorrow?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    I can confirm I've finally given in to the Tory mania.

    Backed against the Beast of Bolsover at 6-1.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821

    See if you can spot my 3 (three) subtle pop music references.

    See if you can spot my 3 (three) subtle pop music references.

    No far too subtle for me
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    People need to get over this Nick Timothy thing, I'm starting to feel sorry for the poor guy - if an underling comes up with a crap idea, but you are the decision maker, it's still your fault for not realising it was so crap. That's why you're in charge and they're not.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    'all you need is Gove'
    'tainted Gove'
    'Gove will tear us apart'

    :lol:
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Gove, May, for a reason. And let the reason be Gove.
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    Gove is certainly a cock but a willie Whitelaw I don't think so! Whitelaw was popular with the party, he was a one-nation paternalist.

    I notice the daily Telegraph are saying that Corbyn has been monitored by the security services for actions related to undermining democracy. Abbott has as well! I would never have thought that! :naughty:
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060

    See if you can spot my 3 (three) subtle pop music references.

    I can't find the subtle ones, no...
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940

    dixiedean said:

    Second like Labour!.

    Can you not count to 3
    Obviously not! Recount called for! :)
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    LOL at the swing to Tory mania on this site.


    *subject to polls of course, which can lead to swingback to panic.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,437
    RobD said:

    Pauly said:

    FTPT:
    The fact that the YouGov model has Stoke-on-Trent south as a tossup is baffling to me. It clearly has issues.

    Does YouGov have a forecast on whether the sun will come up tomorrow?
    Forecast range 20%-110%. Midpoint prediction: 65%
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    bunncobunnco Posts: 169
    FPT
    The thing is.... the LibDem voters in North Norfolk are all getting on a bit. Many of them are dying off. That's how the Tories took the Council in 2011 without putting up candidates in all the seats and retained most of those in 2015. Yes, there's been leakage in focused Council by elections since but that's where the LDs do well with their mobile troops.

    A normal constituency will have a 8pc voter churn per year - that is, most people will move every 12 years. Now, I know some people move within the constituency but in places like North Norfolk a disproportionate number of them move to another place the other side of St Peter's Pearly Gates.

    The point is that the number of people who remember that nice young Mr Lamb is diminishing as age claims them. And that means incumbency isn't what it was for him.

    Meanwhile - in Norwich South - remember that the number of electors registered to vote in University Ward [University of East Anglia] is 35% down on what theory would suggest. And even if the youngsters had registered to vote [which they haven't], they're all on holiday now anyway.

    That's the funny thing with Universities nowadays and their new fangled semesters. They break-up for the Summer hols in Mid May and don't come back until Late Sept.

    So Labour's hopes of domination in the 'Southern University Towns' suffer from a double whammy that the pollsters have missed:

    1 Many of the youngsters who say they'll vote for Corbyn aren;t registered to vote
    2 Even if they are, they're on holiday
    3 Or lusting after Jessica on Love Island

    Bunnco - Your Man on the Spot
    rcs1000 said:
    » show previous quotes
    They have to be odds on. But I personally like Lamb, and were I in the constituency, I would vote for him.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    FPT
    Mortimer said:

    Labour have fallen hook line and sinker into the massive bear trap of this Slough speech.

    The Tories can now spend the entire day tomorrow saying that Labour care more about the human rights of terrorists than the rights of innocent Britons.

    Bravo chaps, bravo.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    RobD said:

    Pauly said:

    FTPT:
    The fact that the YouGov model has Stoke-on-Trent south as a tossup is baffling to me. It clearly has issues.

    Does YouGov have a forecast on whether the sun will come up tomorrow?
    Forecast range 20%-110%. Midpoint prediction: 65%
    Ah, a tighter range than the Green forecast in Glasgow North(?) :D
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    Typo said:

    Which seat do folks think will be the first Tory gain of the night? A North East seat perhaps? Darlington is fairly compact.

    Darlington candidate has had some controversy, though. Should still win, but may not.
    http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/03/theresa-may-defends-tory-candidate-over-shocking-rape-and-homosexuality-comments-6681440/
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    dixiedean said:

    Wasn't one of the reasons for dropping Gove that he couldn't be trusted with information re his friends at Murdoch papers? Wouldn't be wonderful for keeping her cards close to her chest.

    Your right - The HM Queen story was alleged to have come from Gove. That knackers him for ever being a Minister IMO.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    See if you can spot my 3 (three) subtle pop music references.

    I can't find the subtle ones, no...
    The tricky one is a Gloria Jones classic.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,821
    kle4 said:

    People need to get over this Nick Timothy thing, I'm starting to feel sorry for the poor guy - if an underling comes up with a crap idea, but you are the decision maker, it's still your fault for not realising it was so crap. That's why you're in charge and they're not.

    You still don't get this PB Tory stuff do you. Never bosses fault.
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    JasonJason Posts: 1,614
    I was looking for some references to TSE's musical titans, Steps. Alas, I can't find 'fucking crap' anywhere in his piece.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,251
    Theresa has snatched the initiative tonight with that hard hitting speech and threatening human right laws if they stop her.

    And it sounds like Jeremy has fallen big time for it.

    if this is the news tomorrow Theresa will win
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793

    dixiedean said:

    Wasn't one of the reasons for dropping Gove that he couldn't be trusted with information re his friends at Murdoch papers? Wouldn't be wonderful for keeping her cards close to her chest.

    Your right - The HM Queen story was alleged to have come from Gove. That knackers him for ever being a Minister IMO.
    He could be party chairman though?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The Spin line from Scottish Labour seems somewhat desperate.

    Kezia never said it.

    And Nicola shouldn't have leaked it.

    Ummm
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,940
    edited June 2017
    Just got back from a packed CCHQ phonebank for my final phoning session of the campaign. Phoned in Walsall, Wolverhampton, Mansfield and Delyn and Wakefield. The response was generally positive and although I got a few Labour voters there was a clear preference for May over Corbyn, comments included 'I have been a Labour voter all my life but will be voting for May this time', 'I would not trust that man to look after my dog let alone the country' and 'I would vote for her 5 times if I could'. Mary Creagh does seem to have a bit of a personal vote in Wakefield though

    Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt and Damian Green turned up and we finished with a talk by Jim Messina who seemed confident but said 'there were more undecided voters than any campaign he had been involved in at this stage'
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    dazzadazza Posts: 28
    I have attempted to create my own election prediction, of both seats and percentage.

    Starting point is the 2015 election. Assume every vote cast then will be the same the time, and then apply various factors to change the votes. Factors are applied UNS (uniform national swing).

    Factors:

    (1) UKIP meltdown. Assume UKIP drops to 3.8% nationally, with the votes going to both LAB and CON. For all UKIP2015 votes, into 2017, we decide that 30% remain UKIP, 20% switch to LAB and 50% switch to CON. Straight away this takes CON seats from 330 (UK2015) to 348; while LAB drop from 231 to 218. CON 348 (43%), LAB 218 (33%)

    (2) LD to LAB swing. I think Farron hasn't the best campaign, and so some LD will split to LAB. Assume 20% of LD goes to LAB (high, but I want to overstate LAB in this model). Seats are now: CON 346 (43%), LAB 222 (35%)

    (3) Youth surge. This extent of this has been debated, and is the main source of variance in the mainstream models. In UK2015 the 18-24 group had a turnout of 43%. What will it be in 2017, and can it win the election for LAB? There are almost 6 million voters in this range; for this model we need a fraction which will vote, and how they will vote. Lets give Survation / LAB benefit of the doubt, and assume 18-24 will have 70% turnout, splitting 70% to LAB and 15% to CON. That's about extra 1.1m votes to LAB, and 240,000 to CON. Applying UNS, we now get: CON 332 (42%), LAB 236 (37%). This is a big move, taking difference between parties from 124 to 96.

    (4) LAB to CON. Not all labour voters are onboard the Corbyn train. This was evident at the start of the election, but has reduced over time, testament to the campaigning of Corbyn and appeal of his policies. So final adjustment is to add in a LAB to CON swing. At the start of the election, this might have been huge, eg, 10%, but given what's happened over course of last four weeks, we set it to 3%. This is low, and again favours LAB. So we are saying 3% of LAB are going direct to CON. Seats now: CON 342 (43%), LAB 226 (36%). This is a big effect, 20 seats have changed hands.

    Final prediction. CON 342 (43%), LAB 226 (36%)

    In % terms, encouraging that this matches Opinium, but instread of polling, simply follows from the reasoning above. Dodel does not take into account Scotland or Wales, nor idiosyncratic seats. But the net effect of those are likely to change this result in +-10 to CON, giving a lower end CON range of 330 to perhaps upper end of 355.

    A hung parliament is possible. At the upper range of 355, its a CON majority of 30. Again, the model does favour LAB, but it would need some significant changes to the model for CON to get up 400 seats.

    As for youth, even for 80% turnout, the difference amounts to swing of about 12 seats, not game changer. Can't see how the youth can change this election; just not enough of them.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793

    Theresa has snatched the initiative tonight with that hard hitting speech and threatening human right laws if they stop her.

    And it sounds like Jeremy has fallen big time for it.

    if this is the news tomorrow Theresa will win

    Theresa's already won.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    RobD said:

    Pauly said:

    FTPT:
    The fact that the YouGov model has Stoke-on-Trent south as a tossup is baffling to me. It clearly has issues.

    Does YouGov have a forecast on whether the sun will come up tomorrow?
    By extrapolating information from just over the horizon, YouGov predicts that we will be in permanent darkness.....
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    HYUFD said:



    Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt and Damian Green turned up and we finished with a talk by Jim Messina who seemed confident but said 'there were more undecided voters than any campaign he had been involved in at this stage'

    So no landslide then?
    Scott_P said:

    The Spin line from Scottish Labour seems somewhat desperate.

    Kezia never said it.

    And Nicola shouldn't have leaked it.

    Ummm

    Is that really how they put it? Very odd. Like McDonnell's response to the 'kneecapping' quote "I don't remember saying anything like that ever. Also it is out of context"
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    hunchman said:

    The Speaker (Bercow will hold Buckingham) technically adds 1 to the Conservative tally, although whether he is really a Tory any longer is a moot point!

    Betfair won't take account of the Speaker when working out whether Con or Lab get a majority, so both parties would need at least 326, not counting the Speaker. At least that's my understanding.

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625

    kle4 said:

    People need to get over this Nick Timothy thing, I'm starting to feel sorry for the poor guy - if an underling comes up with a crap idea, but you are the decision maker, it's still your fault for not realising it was so crap. That's why you're in charge and they're not.

    You still don't get this PB Tory stuff do you. Never bosses fault.
    Well, I'm still new to the ranks, not even yet a proper member till Thursday, and I fear I will let them down a lot after then.
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    Gove is just the great pretender.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    HYUFD said:

    Just got back from a packed CCHQ phonebank for my final phoning session of the campaign. Phoned in Walsall, Wolverhampton, Mansfield and Delyn and Wakefield. The response was generally positive and although I got a few Labour voters there was a clear preference for May over Corbyn, comments included 'I have been a Labour voter all my life but will be voting for May this time', 'I would not trust that man to look after my dog let alone the country' and 'I would vote for her 5 times if I could'. Mary Creagh does seem to have a bit of a personal vote in Wakefield though

    Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt and Damian Green turned up and we finished with a talk by Jim Messina who seemed confident but said 'there were more undecided voters than any campaign he had been involved in at this stage'

    Did you get anyone mentioning Dementia tax or WFA?
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940

    Theresa has snatched the initiative tonight with that hard hitting speech and threatening human right laws if they stop her.

    And it sounds like Jeremy has fallen big time for it.

    if this is the news tomorrow Theresa will win

    She'll win anyway! 100+.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    Superb article.

    Sadly, however, Gove has history with May, and she doesn't forgive history.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    Gove Missile f1-11 - if you want a more obscure 80's reference.....
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:



    Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt and Damian Green turned up and we finished with a talk by Jim Messina who seemed confident but said 'there were more undecided voters than any campaign he had been involved in at this stage'

    So no landslide then?
    depends which way the undecideds break?
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    You got Gove
    Gooooove
    Gove on your side
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956
    If Hammond is going and Rudd is to be Chancellor, Gove would suit the Home Office. Did well in Justice and in Education he was prepared to make tough decisions. Obviously the job I think he really ought to be doing is PM but Home Sec will do for now.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Jason said:

    I was looking for some references to TSE's musical titans, Steps. Alas, I can't find 'fucking crap' anywhere in his piece.

    TSE could have written about how last July Michael Gove found that Theresa May was suddenly like a stranger, but now how the botched manifesto had set off a chain reaction against the Conservatives and how the whole election campaign is better best forgotten. Instead of letting Michael Gove stomp off into journalism like George Osborne, she ought to make him deputy Prime Minister, only a heartbeat away from the top job. Anything else would be a tragedy
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    bunnco said:

    FPT
    The thing is.... the LibDem voters in North Norfolk are all getting on a bit. Many of them are dying off. That's how the Tories took the Council in 2011 without putting up candidates in all the seats and retained most of those in 2015. Yes, there's been leakage in focused Council by elections since but that's where the LDs do well with their mobile troops.

    A normal constituency will have a 8pc voter churn per year - that is, most people will move every 12 years. Now, I know some people move within the constituency but in places like North Norfolk a disproportionate number of them move to another place the other side of St Peter's Pearly Gates.

    The point is that the number of people who remember that nice young Mr Lamb is diminishing as age claims them. And that means incumbency isn't what it was for him.

    Meanwhile - in Norwich South - remember that the number of electors registered to vote in University Ward [University of East Anglia] is 35% down on what theory would suggest. And even if the youngsters had registered to vote [which they haven't], they're all on holiday now anyway.

    That's the funny thing with Universities nowadays and their new fangled semesters. They break-up for the Summer hols in Mid May and don't come back until Late Sept.

    So Labour's hopes of domination in the 'Southern University Towns' suffer from a double whammy that the pollsters have missed:

    1 Many of the youngsters who say they'll vote for Corbyn aren;t registered to vote
    2 Even if they are, they're on holiday
    3 Or lusting after Jessica on Love Island

    Bunnco - Your Man on the Spot
    rcs1000 said:
    » show previous quotes
    They have to be odds on. But I personally like Lamb, and were I in the constituency, I would vote for him.

    Holt division in North Norfolk constituency

    2009 result

    Con 1558
    UKIP 1073
    LDem 1058
    Green 222
    Lab 105

    2013 result UKIP gain from Con

    UKIP 1341
    Con 991
    LDem 851
    Lab 399
    Green 204

    2017 result LDem gain from UKIP

    LDem 1666
    Con 1455
    Lab 210
    UKIP 202
    Green 123

    Conservatives do worse than in 2009 as many voters seem to move Con to UKIP to LDem
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Tainted Love
    Love will tear us apart
    All you need is love
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,625
    dazza said:



    Factors:

    (1) UKIP meltdown. Assume UKIP drops to 3.8% nationally, with the votes going to both LAB and CON. For all UKIP2015 votes, into 2017, we decide that 30% remain UKIP, 20% switch to LAB and 50% switch to CON. Straight away this takes CON seats from 330 (UK2015) to 348; while LAB drop from 231 to 218. CON 348 (43%), LAB 218 (33%)

    (2) LD to LAB swing. I think Farron hasn't the best campaign, and so some LD will split to LAB. Assume 20% of LD goes to LAB (high, but I want to overstate LAB in this model). Seats are now: CON 346 (43%), LAB 222 (35%)

    (3) Youth surge. This extent of this has been debated, and is the main source of variance in the mainstream models. In UK2015 the 18-24 group had a turnout of 43%. What will it be in 2017, and can it win the election for LAB? There are almost 6 million voters in this range; for this model we need a fraction which will vote, and how they will vote. Lets give Survation / LAB benefit of the doubt, and assume 18-24 will have 70% turnout, splitting 70% to LAB and 15% to CON. That's about extra 1.1m votes to LAB, and 240,000 to CON. Applying UNS, we now get: CON 332 (42%), LAB 236 (37%). This is a big move, taking difference between parties from 124 to 96.

    (4) LAB to CON. Not all labour voters are onboard the Corbyn train. This was evident at the start of the election, but has reduced over time, testament to the campaigning of Corbyn and appeal of his policies. So final adjustment is to add in a LAB to CON swing. At the start of the election, this might have been huge, eg, 10%, but given what's happened over course of last four weeks, we set it to 3%. This is low, and again favours LAB. So we are saying 3% of LAB are going direct to CON. Seats now: CON 342 (43%), LAB 226 (36%). This is a big effect, 20 seats have changed hands.

    Final prediction. CON 342 (43%), LAB 226 (36%)

    In % terms, encouraging that this matches Opinium, but instread of polling, simply follows from the reasoning above. Dodel does not take into account Scotland or Wales, nor idiosyncratic seats. But the net effect of those are likely to change this result in +-10 to CON, giving a lower end CON range of 330 to perhaps upper end of 355.

    A hung parliament is possible. At the upper range of 355, its a CON majority of 30. Again, the model does favour LAB, but it would need some significant changes to the model for CON to get up 400 seats.

    As for youth, even for 80% turnout, the difference amounts to swing of about 12 seats, not game changer. Can't see how the youth can change this election; just not enough of them.

    Well, that's a bracing post, and fair dues for being extremely clear on your reasoning! I just say I'll go on my gut.
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited June 2017
    If the Tories win, it will be because of a pull from xenophobia (Brexit: the Lab-UKIP-Con effect) and a push from terrorism (Manchester and London). Nothing to do with "the economy", the NHS, or social policy.

    *wondering where to emigrate to*
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,940
    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Just got back from a packed CCHQ phonebank for my final phoning session of the campaign. Phoned in Walsall, Wolverhampton, Mansfield and Delyn and Wakefield. The response was generally positive and although I got a few Labour voters there was a clear preference for May over Corbyn, comments included 'I have been a Labour voter all my life but will be voting for May this time', 'I would not trust that man to look after my dog let alone the country' and 'I would vote for her 5 times if I could'. Mary Creagh does seem to have a bit of a personal vote in Wakefield though

    Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt and Damian Green turned up and we finished with a talk by Jim Messina who seemed confident but said 'there were more undecided voters than any campaign he had been involved in at this stage'

    Did you get anyone mentioning Dementia tax or WFA?
    Nobody tonight at all, that was not the case last week, I think in the final days people are focusing on who they want as PM, May or Corbyn
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    Cyan said:

    If the Tories win, it will be because of a pull from xenophobia (Brexit: the Lab-UKIP-Con effect) and a push from terrorism (Manchester and London).

    *wondering where to emigrate to*

    Vote2012?
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    HYUFD said:


    Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt and Damian Green turned up and we finished with a talk by Jim Messina who seemed confident but said 'there were more undecided voters than any campaign he had been involved in at this stage'

    Don't say that Jim FFS! More bedwetting time.....
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,843
    LOL! Great piece @TheScreamingEagles. I agree wholeheaderly that Gove should be back on the front bench by the weekend.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    Scott_P said:
    Did we ever find out what that massive erection on the White Cliff's Of Dover was all about?
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    bunnco said:

    FPT
    The thing is.... the LibDem voters in North Norfolk are all getting on a bit. Many of them are dying off. That's how the Tories took the Council in 2011 without putting up candidates in all the seats and retained most of those in 2015. Yes, there's been leakage in focused Council by elections since but that's where the LDs do well with their mobile troops.

    A normal constituency will have a 8pc voter churn per year - that is, most people will move every 12 years. Now, I know some people move within the constituency but in places like North Norfolk a disproportionate number of them move to another place the other side of St Peter's Pearly Gates.

    The point is that the number of people who remember that nice young Mr Lamb is diminishing as age claims them. And that means incumbency isn't what it was for him.

    Meanwhile - in Norwich South - remember that the number of electors registered to vote in University Ward [University of East Anglia] is 35% down on what theory would suggest. And even if the youngsters had registered to vote [which they haven't], they're all on holiday now anyway.

    That's the funny thing with Universities nowadays and their new fangled semesters. They break-up for the Summer hols in Mid May and don't come back until Late Sept.

    So Labour's hopes of domination in the 'Southern University Towns' suffer from a double whammy that the pollsters have missed:

    1 Many of the youngsters who say they'll vote for Corbyn aren;t registered to vote
    2 Even if they are, they're on holiday
    3 Or lusting after Jessica on Love Island

    Bunnco - Your Man on the Spot
    rcs1000 said:
    » show previous quotes
    They have to be odds on. But I personally like Lamb, and were I in the constituency, I would vote for him.

    That's exactly the point I've been making about the university seats re: students at home compared to at university in 2015, and hence the youth vote will be spread out in places where the Tories can easily absorb it. And of the 1.1m who registered at the last minute, lets say that breaks about 500-600k net in favour of Labour, its relatively insignificant when they started this campaign so far behind.

    Still, I expect Labour to hold Exeter and Norwich S comfortably. LD's had candidate trouble in Bath and the university factor is a negative. I don't have anything changing hands in Cardiff - at the start of the campaign I though Labour would be in trouble in a number of the Cardiff seats.

    A lot of comments have been made on OxWAb. I know it well having lived in Abingdon for 12 years. I expect a strong cut in the 9,500 majority but for Nicola Blackwood to hold. The 4k UKIP votes from last time are a crucial buffer, with the LD's starting too far behind. Still expect it to be one of the poorer Tory results in view of the relative Remain nature of the constituency.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/thesun/status/872203588918951936

    Did we ever find out what that massive erection on the White Cliff's Of Dover was all about?
    CCHQ shoring up the Kipper vote. :smiley:
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    GIN1138 said:

    Did we ever find out what that massive erection on the White Cliff's Of Dover was all about?

    Not yet
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    The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    GIN1138 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Wasn't one of the reasons for dropping Gove that he couldn't be trusted with information re his friends at Murdoch papers? Wouldn't be wonderful for keeping her cards close to her chest.

    Your right - The HM Queen story was alleged to have come from Gove. That knackers him for ever being a Minister IMO.
    He could be party chairman though?
    Yes, he will really appeal to Middle England with that nice accent (Not). I think Gove has burned his bridges. He would make a good attack dog against Sturgeon but that is as far as it goes. He has blown it in my eyes! Untrustworthy, duplicitous and too clever - he made the fatal mistake of stabbing two leading lights in the Tory party I the back with the whole country watching. I really don't know why he stood as a candidate as his brand is almost as soiled as some Tory supporters underwear on this website!
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Just got back from a packed CCHQ phonebank for my final phoning session of the campaign. Phoned in Walsall, Wolverhampton, Mansfield and Delyn and Wakefield. The response was generally positive and although I got a few Labour voters there was a clear preference for May over Corbyn, comments included 'I have been a Labour voter all my life but will be voting for May this time', 'I would not trust that man to look after my dog let alone the country' and 'I would vote for her 5 times if I could'. Mary Creagh does seem to have a bit of a personal vote in Wakefield though

    Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt and Damian Green turned up and we finished with a talk by Jim Messina who seemed confident but said 'there were more undecided voters than any campaign he had been involved in at this stage'

    Did you get anyone mentioning Dementia tax or WFA?
    Nobody tonight at all, that was not the case last week, I think in the final days people are focusing on who they want as PM, May or Corbyn
    As expected.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I have to say, if the answer is Michael Gove, you must be asking the wrong question.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850

    Tainted Love

    A pretty accurate description of the electorate's love for Theresa after this dreadful campaign.

    Sun front page toxic for Jezz. Toxic.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Gove Missile f1-11 - if you want a more obscure 80's reference.....

    Gove Removal Machine...
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,251
    Guardian Front Page

    'May threatens to dismantle human rights laws in wake of terror attacks'

    That should get a debate going tomorrow
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    HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    Essexit said:

    If Hammond is going and Rudd is to be Chancellor, Gove would suit the Home Office. Did well in Justice and in Education he was prepared to make tough decisions. Obviously the job I think he really ought to be doing is PM but Home Sec will do for now.

    There or Health.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    RobD said:

    She'd do well to bin Nick Timothy.

    Perhaps Gove as Minister without Portfolio?

    Lancaster is the traditional role, or possibly Lord Privy Seal
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,940
    edited June 2017
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:



    Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt and Damian Green turned up and we finished with a talk by Jim Messina who seemed confident but said 'there were more undecided voters than any campaign he had been involved in at this stage'

    So no landslide then?
    Scott_P said:

    The Spin line from Scottish Labour seems somewhat desperate.

    Kezia never said it.

    And Nicola shouldn't have leaked it.

    Ummm

    Is that really how they put it? Very odd. Like McDonnell's response to the 'kneecapping' quote "I don't remember saying anything like that ever. Also it is out of context"
    If the undecideds mainly go to May it could well be a Tory landslide although more 100+ than 150+, of course they could all go to Corbyn and even produce a hung parliament but that was not where I felt the momentum going tonight
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Ave_it said:

    Has a post of mine disappeared?! :lol:

    Hello Ave_it! Hope you're going on well? Staying up all Thursday night?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,843

    See if you can spot my 3 (three) subtle pop music references.

    If your pop music references were ever subtle, then there'd be no limit to your talent.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    edited June 2017
    Gove is an odious man devoid of talent, judgement and integrity. Far from a Willie. He is the nearest human equivalent to a haemorrhoid.

    Whilst some Tories on PB might have a natural affinity for such a man, if they care for their party they will leave his career where it is. Dead.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    HYUFD said:

    Jim Messina who seemed confident but said 'there were more undecided voters than any campaign he had been involved in at this stage'

    Interesting.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830

    I have to say, if the answer is Michael Gove, you must be asking the wrong question.

    Agreed.
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    CyanCyan Posts: 1,262
    edited June 2017
    About the only thing Theresa May might possibly do if the Tories win this election that I would give her credit for is give Boris Johnson the sack.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267

    Gove, May, for a reason. And let the reason be Gove.

    Superb.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,244
    Cyan said:

    If the Tories win, it will be because of a pull from xenophobia (Brexit: the Lab-UKIP-Con effect) and a push from terrorism (Manchester and London). Nothing to do with "the economy", the NHS, or social policy.

    *wondering where to emigrate to*

    Syria?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    GIN1138 said:

    Theresa has snatched the initiative tonight with that hard hitting speech and threatening human right laws if they stop her.

    And it sounds like Jeremy has fallen big time for it.

    if this is the news tomorrow Theresa will win

    Theresa's already won.
    Woah, not yet.

    None of that talk until at least 9pm on Thursday please. 46 hours to go.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    edited June 2017

    Gove, May, for a reason. And let the reason be Gove.

    Superb.
    I fear Meeks has missed his calling in the dry world of finance (or whatever profession he is in :p )
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    GIN1138 said:

    Theresa has snatched the initiative tonight with that hard hitting speech and threatening human right laws if they stop her.

    And it sounds like Jeremy has fallen big time for it.

    if this is the news tomorrow Theresa will win

    Theresa's already won.
    Woah, not yet.

    None of that talk until at least 9pm on Thursday please. 46 hours to go.
    Are you out and about on Thu?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    This does seem to be something of an own goal

    @kevwodonnell: The First Minister of Scotland has just set the precedent that you cannot speak with her confidentially. Think about that for a second.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Typo said:

    Which seat do folks think will be the first Tory gain of the night? A North East seat perhaps? Darlington is fairly compact.

    On my list going by the Press Association times it would be Darlington:

    http://election.pressassociation.com/Declaration_times/general_2017_by_time.php
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,437
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Did we ever find out what that massive erection on the White Cliff's Of Dover was all about?
    They have nowhere near the power they had in the 1990s, but that is a brutal front page for Jezza. Wonder what they've got in stock for Thursday?
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Did we ever find out what that massive erection on the White Cliff's Of Dover was all about?
    Both parties have an interest in keeping it ambiguous.
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    edited June 2017
    hunchman said:

    Typo said:

    Which seat do folks think will be the first Tory gain of the night? A North East seat perhaps? Darlington is fairly compact.

    On my list going by the Press Association times it would be Darlington followed by Wrexham. I think by around 2.30am we'll have a good indication of the overall majority expected:

    http://election.pressassociation.com/Declaration_times/general_2017_by_time.php
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,202
    Cos you got Gove
    Gove
    Gove on your side
    Cos you got Gove
    Gove
    Gove on your side

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N66cGvR5yvU
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    chloechloe Posts: 308
    edited June 2017
    Pauly said:

    FTPT:
    The fact that the YouGov model has Stoke-on-Trent south as a tossup is baffling to me. It clearly has issues.

    I was born in the seat and find it very hard to imagine it going Tory. I know they voted leave but with only one of the wards, Trentham, really has any Tory presence.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,251
    Stig Abel on Sky predictably falling into the human rights laws
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Did we ever find out what that massive erection on the White Cliff's Of Dover was all about?
    This?

    https://twitter.com/twikerstan/status/871669040808431616
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,202
    edited June 2017
    We all need a Gove resurrection
    Just a little divine intervention

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2n-blwYJ4s
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Did we ever find out what that massive erection on the White Cliff's Of Dover was all about?
    They have nowhere near the power they had in the 1990s, but that is a brutal front page for Jezza. Wonder what they've got in stock for Thursday?
    I reckon they're going to reprise the light bulb.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Did we ever find out what that massive erection on the White Cliff's Of Dover was all about?
    This?

    https://twitter.com/twikerstan/status/871669040808431616
    Would have been better had it been Thatcher. :smiley:
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