How pathetic to fall out and divorce over a referendum vote - they (or she) clearly didn't really care for (him) each other that much!
My dad voted remain and my mum leave - after more than 55 years of marriage he passed away a few months ago and she cared for him every day at home and when he saw out his last few weeks in a nursing home. That is real love - and no referendum vote on membership of some supranational political body would ever have split them apart!
How pathetic to fall out and divorce over a referendum vote - they (or she) clearly didn't really care for (him) each other that much!
My dad voted remain and my mum leave - after more than 55 years of marriage he passed away a few months ago and she cared for him every day at home and when he saw out his last few weeks in a nursing home. That is real love - and no referendum vote on membership of some supranational political body would ever have split them apart!
My father, brother, and wife voted Remain. I, my mother, and my sister voted Leave. Only a fool falls out with family over politics.
The delusion is all yours I am afraid. Of course whatever happens you will be fine in your bolthole.
Northwest England?
Why do you indulge in repeated ad hominem attacks? Do you think it will shame me into reversing my position?
He does it because you are a woman (I presume, I spoke to a bloke from Churchill insurance the other day, called Su) and for some reason he is happy to insult women which actually fits with his character all over. It's why he gave himself a break from PB. He has obviously learned nothing.
Plus of course he is too dim to argue the issue on its merits because, despite having two Irish parents, he doesn't understand the first thing about the island of Ireland.
Actually unless you and Scott are women you will find I am very happy to insult both males and females equally.
As Jonathan Pie said in one of his pieces on mansplaining recently. "If I talk to you in an insulting or patronising manner it is not because you are a woman, it is because you are a fucking moron".
The same applies in a select number of cases on here.
As your insults are of the most pedestrian variety and embarrass you more than anything else I am fine with it. But I see that you are very loose-lipped when it comes to women.
And my subtantive point about you being dim remains. Not to understand the dynamic on the island of Ireland as you have demonstrated you don't, disqualifies you from taking part in any discussions about it.
I understand it far better than you do. And given the only woman I have knowingly insulted on here is Beverley whilst I am pleased to have insulted dozens of men I would suggest you grasp of maths is about as accurate as your grasp of Irish history.
Says the man who believes, along with the other Brexiter morons on here (some of whom are teenagers so can be forgiven) that the backstop should or could be junked.
I have said we should accept the deal, backstop and all. All I have pointed out is that it was unnecessary and should not have been agreed to in the first place. But we are where we are.
How pathetic to fall out and divorce over a referendum vote - they (or she) clearly didn't really care for (him) each other that much!
My dad voted remain and my mum leave - after more than 55 years of marriage he passed away a few months ago and she cared for him every day at home and when he saw out his last few weeks in a nursing home. That is real love - and no referendum vote on membership of some supranational political body would ever have split them apart!
My father, brother, and wife voted Remain. I, my mother, and my sister voted Leave. Only a fool falls out with family over politics.
Absolutely. Btw would you all vote the same way in a theoretical second referendum?
The delusion is all yours I am afraid. Of course whatever happens you will be fine in your bolthole.
Northwest England?
Why do you indulge in repeated ad hominem attacks? Do you think it will shame me into reversing my position?
He does it because you are a woman (I presume, I spoke to a bloke from Churchill insurance the other day, called Su) and for some reason he is happy to insult women which actually fits with his character all over. It's why he gave himself a break from PB. He has obviously learned nothing.
Plus of course he is too dim to argue the issue on its merits because, despite having two Irish parents, he doesn't understand the first thing about the island of Ireland.
Actually unless you and Scott are women you will find I am very happy to insult both males and females equally.
As Jonathan Pie said in one of his pieces on mansplaining recently. "If I talk to you in an insulting or patronising manner it is not because you are a woman, it is because you are a fucking moron".
The same applies in a select number of cases on here.
As your insults are of the most pedestrian variety and embarrass you more than anything else I am fine with it. But I see that you are very loose-lipped when it comes to women.
And my subtantive point about you being dim remains. Not to understand the dynamic on the island of Ireland as you have demonstrated you don't, disqualifies you from taking part in any discussions about it.
I understand it far better than you do. And given the only woman I have knowingly insulted on here is Beverley whilst I am pleased to have insulted dozens of men, I would suggest your grasp of maths is about as accurate as your grasp of Irish history.
Deliveroo riders have lost a high court battle to gain union recognition, in a blow to gig economy campaigners.
The ruling dismissed a judicial review brought by the Independent Workers Union of Great Britain (IWGB), which aimed to overturn an earlier ruling that confirmed those working for the delivery firm were self-employed.
How pathetic to fall out and divorce over a referendum vote - they (or she) clearly didn't really care for (him) each other that much!
My dad voted remain and my mum leave - after more than 55 years of marriage he passed away a few months ago and she cared for him every day at home and when he saw out his last few weeks in a nursing home. That is real love - and no referendum vote on membership of some supranational political body would ever have split them apart!
My father, brother, and wife voted Remain. I, my mother, and my sister voted Leave. Only a fool falls out with family over politics.
Absolutely. Btw would you all vote the same way in a theoretical second referendum?
Probably, but I think much would depend on the questions/alternatives given.
wrt the 20 Labour "potentials", let's play some numbers games. Of that 20, what's the best outcome for the govt - perhaps 10 abstentions, and 5 no votes?
Assuming the DUP vote against, that leaves the opposition with 307. To get a tie, May would need Hermon, the Lab5, plus 301 of her 316 - and that's assuming the remaining Tories can be persuaded to only abstain, obv much more difficult when those vote against.
If the DUP can be brought onboard somehow, opposition has 297, May needs 291/316 .... begins to look just about possible, on a 2nd vote at least. Still threading-the-needle territory though.
Deliveroo riders have lost a high court battle to gain union recognition, in a blow to gig economy campaigners.
The ruling dismissed a judicial review brought by the Independent Workers Union of Great Britain (IWGB), which aimed to overturn an earlier ruling that confirmed those working for the delivery firm were self-employed.
Sadly there will be very large numbers who will take them up on that offer or will not bother to vote at all. That is what the Remainers will have done. They will have made extremism acceptable and democracy a dirty word.
This is what Brexit has done.
You won.
Suck it up.
It will never be the fault of those who warned against it, campaigned against it, or voted against it.
There has been much moaning but brexit hasn't won. Indeed, it now might not occur at all.
wrt the 20 Labour "potentials", let's play some numbers games. Of that 20, what's the best outcome for the govt - perhaps 10 abstentions, and 5 no votes?
Assuming the DUP vote against, that leaves the opposition with 307. To get a tie, May would need Hermon, the Lab5, plus 301 of her 316 - and that's assuming the remaining Tories can be persuaded to only abstain, obv much more difficult when those vote against.
If the DUP can be brought onboard somehow, opposition has 297, May needs 291/316 .... begins to look just about possible, on a 2nd vote at least. Still threading-the-needle territory though.
Ronnie Campbell seems to have left his options open. Unhappy about the backstop, but opposed to both No Deal and a Second Referendum.
Blaming remainers is clearly not going to fly, but theo is correct in that every ERG member could back the deal and it wouldn't pass. The DUP and remainers could see it through, ERG never could on their own.
"nice quiet city" - I know we don't have weekly massive riots, but I can't imagine the daily stories of moped robberies and knife crime have done much for image of London as a nice quiet city.
The delusion is all yours I am afraid. Of course whatever happens you will be fine in your bolthole.
Northwest England?
Why do you indulge in repeated ad hominem attacks? Do you think it will shame me into reversing my position?
He does it because you are a woman (I presume, I spoke to a bloke from Churchill insurance the other day, called Su) and for some reason he is happy to insult women which actually fits with his character all over. It's why he gave himself a break from PB. He has obviously learned nothing.
Plus of course he is too dim to argue the issue on its merits because, despite having two Irish parents, he doesn't understand the first thing about the island of Ireland.
Actually unless you and Scott are women you will find I am very happy to insult both males and females equally.
As Jonathan Pie said in one of his pieces on mansplaining recently. "If I talk to you in an insulting or patronising manner it is not because you are a woman, it is because you are a fucking moron".
The same applies in a select number of cases on here.
As your insults are of the most pedestrian variety and embarrass you more than anything else I am fine with it. But I see that you are very loose-lipped when it comes to women.
And my subtantive point about you being dim remains. Not to understand the dynamic on the island of Ireland as you have demonstrated you don't, disqualifies you from taking part in any discussions about it.
I understand it far better than you do. And given the only woman I have knowingly insulted on here is Beverley whilst I am pleased to have insulted dozens of men, I would suggest your grasp of maths is about as accurate as your grasp of Irish history.
Ever thought of just stopping insulting people?
Nope. I enjoy it. And I only do it to those who deserve it. I am more than content to discuss the minutiae of legal texts or political theory with anyone as long as they do not lie or dissemble. If they do then they deserve to be exposed for such.
Sadly there will be very large numbers who will take them up on that offer or will not bother to vote at all. That is what the Remainers will have done. They will have made extremism acceptable and democracy a dirty word.
This is what Brexit has done.
You won.
Suck it up.
It will never be the fault of those who warned against it, campaigned against it, or voted against it.
There has been much moaning but brexit hasn't won. Indeed, it now might not occur at all.
And if it is not delivered, then Brexiteers are more to blame than anybody else. Firstly by over-promising during the campaign (i.e. telling porkies), and secondly by the ERG and their followers poisoning events afterwards.
wrt the 20 Labour "potentials", let's play some numbers games. Of that 20, what's the best outcome for the govt - perhaps 10 abstentions, and 5 no votes?
Assuming the DUP vote against, that leaves the opposition with 307. To get a tie, May would need Hermon, the Lab5, plus 301 of her 316 - and that's assuming the remaining Tories can be persuaded to only abstain, obv much more difficult when those vote against.
If the DUP can be brought onboard somehow, opposition has 297, May needs 291/316 .... begins to look just about possible, on a 2nd vote at least. Still threading-the-needle territory though.
Ronnie Campbell seems to have left his options open. Unhappy about the backstop, but opposed to both No Deal and a Second Referendum.
John Mann seems to be taking the pulse of Bassetlaw before comitting.
The delusion is all yours I am afraid. Of course whatever happens you will be fine in your bolthole.
Northwest England?
Why do you indulge in repeated ad hominem attacks? Do you think it will shame me into reversing my position?
He does it because you are a woman (I presume, I spoke to a bloke from Churchill insurance the other day, called Su) and for some reason he is happy to insult women which actually fits with his character all over. It's why he gave himself a break from PB. He has obviously learned nothing.
Plus of course he is too dim to argue the issue on its merits because, despite having two Irish parents, he doesn't understand the first thing about the island of Ireland.
Actually unless you and Scott are women you will find I am very happy to insult both males and females equally.
As Jonathan Pie said in one of his pieces on mansplaining recently. "If I talk to you in an insulting or patronising manner it is not because you are a woman, it is because you are a fucking moron".
The same applies in a select number of cases on here.
As your insults are of the most pedestrian variety and embarrass you more than anything else I am fine with it. But I see that you are very loose-lipped when it comes to women.
And my subtantive point about you being dim remains. Not to understand the dynamic on the island of Ireland as you have demonstrated you don't, disqualifies you from taking part in any discussions about it.
I understand it far better than you do. And given the only woman I have knowingly insulted on here is Beverley whilst I am pleased to have insulted dozens of men, I would suggest your grasp of maths is about as accurate as your grasp of Irish history.
Ever thought of just stopping insulting people?
Nope. I enjoy it. And I only do it to those who deserve it. I am more than content to discuss the minutiae of legal texts or political theory with anyone as long as they do not lie or dissemble. If they do then they deserve to be exposed for such.
That you think the backstop need not have been agreed shows how little you know.
Blaming remainers is clearly not going to fly, but theo is correct in that every ERG member could back the deal and it wouldn't pass. The DUP and remainers could see it through, ERG never could on their own.
I think there are 13 Remain Conservatives who are opposed. With 10 DUP, that would cut the government's vote to 303 if all Leavers came on board. If the Leavers did come back on board, with a few opposition MPs, that would make it a very tight result.
"nice quiet city" - I know we don't have weekly massive riots, but I can't imagine the daily stories of moped robberies and knife crime have done much for image of London as a nice quiet city.
The delusion is all yours I am afraid. Of course whatever happens you will be fine in your bolthole.
Northwest England?
Why do you indulge in repeated ad hominem attacks? Do you think it will shame me into reversing my position?
Perhaps Richard has been to Levenshulme?
Levenshulmes posh
Really? It's gentrifying a bit but not that much.
When my friend gave me directions to visit her place it was like
1) Turn right at Morrisons 2) Go past the crackwhores 3) Turn left where there's some burned out cars
probably is now . Back when Mrs B used to live in the Longsight end of town it was more down to earth.
My first post as a pharmacist was in Longsight. Memories, memories.
I lived there too. Just off East Road.
The first Saturday I was there a local GP's wife rang; her cat had been savaged by a bulldog. Would I come and put the cat down. I said no, I didn't think it was part of my job to do that. But she said Mr (regular pharmacist) always does.
I was left wondering how many cats she had had which had been savaged by dogs!
Even if there is another referendum where Remain wins relatively comfortably, say 60-40, it's delusional to think that would be the end of it.
Those 40% will be seriously pissed off at having been given a puppy and then had it taken away from them. We will likely see hitherto unimaginable unrest and quite possibly the rapid rise of a Golden Dawn / RN / UKIP-ultra type party, to the point where they win a substantial number of seats at the next GE in an SNP 2015-style surge.
This would be one of the worst possible outcomes. If a new party emerges and takes power, it might even result in a delayed Superhard Brexit a few years down the line without even a referendum. Have the Remainers championing the 'Peoples vote' even considered this eventuality?
That you think the backstop need not have been agreed shows how little you know.
Edit: you fucking idiot.
Given that a solution was already in progress prior to the change in Irish governance I would suggest your comment reveals it is you who know little.
Did anyone ever ask which side you were on in the Troubles? I know you claim to have been in the British Army but sometimes you seem to have more in common with attitudes of the Republicans.
Sir Benjamin, whilst the rise of the far right is credible, I think it'll take a little longer.
UKIP will perhaps go under, with Farage, maybe bankrolled by Banks, fronting a new party (I Can't Believe It's Not UKIP). Another new party, further to the right, might emerge. The narrative of betrayal, contempt for the electorate, an elite promoting the EU interest over UK democracy etc will all feed into that.
Right now we have a listless Conservative Party and a Labour Party whose front bench has an assortment of people who think marching under Stalin banners is sensible. If one or both parties return to sanity it'd help fend off the conditions most conducive to a new far right party, but if they remain trapped in mediocrity and socialist bullshit, that only makes demagoguery more likely.
That you think the backstop need not have been agreed shows how little you know.
Edit: you fucking idiot.
Given that a solution was already in progress prior to the change in Irish governance I would suggest your comment reveals it is you who know little.
Did anyone ever ask which side you were on in the Troubles? I know you claim to have been in the British Army but sometimes you seem to have more in common with attitudes of the Republicans.
And your evidence that the previous solution wasn't the unworkable mess the Irish Government believe it to be is?
"She should literally find a sword and throw herself on it. Let’s just remember the Norwegians executed Quisling for his collaboration with the forces of German lead European Subjugation"
I've just seen this comment on Facebook. I imagine you can guess who "she" is.
On mortgages, does it help if you were connected to the very top of New Labour ?
Mandy?
That really wasn't mortgage fraud in the traditional sense.
Whereas Tommy Robinson attempted to get two mortgages on the same property without telling either lender.
I always wonder how Tommy Robinson actually sustains himself and his family? I know at one point was dodgy property development and tanning shops, but as far as I know he doesn't do either these days.
I always wonder how he can continue to Facebook live outside courts etc without ever seeming to have any job or work to do. He has become so infamous these days, I doubt could a) ever get a regular job and b) imagine he would be limited in what businesses he could be involved in without some recognising him and the criminal convictions.
Even if there is another referendum where Remain wins relatively comfortably, say 60-40, it's delusional to think that would be the end of it.
Those 40% will be seriously pissed off at having been given a puppy and then had it taken away from them. We will likely see hitherto unimaginable unrest and quite possibly the rapid rise of a Golden Dawn / RN / UKIP-ultra type party, to the point where they win a substantial number of seats at the next GE in an SNP 2015-style surge.
This would be one of the worst possible outcomes. If a new party emerges and takes power, it might even result in a delayed Superhard Brexit a few years down the line without even a referendum. Have the Remainers championing the 'Peoples vote' even considered this eventuality?
If there isn't a referendum on the deal now when so many people have called one, why shouldn't a subset of remainers be just as pissed off as the leavers you are thinking about?
Parliament has considered the recent opinion proffered by the electorate that the UK should leave the EU, and regrettably has found that opinion to be rabid, pig-ignorant and stultifyingly ill-informed.
As such, we will not be bringing forward legislation to enact this terrible opinion at this time.
Parliament thanks you for the opportunity to be involved in your poorly thought out opinions, and hopes you will consider us again next time you need somebody to point out when you're being massive idiots.
Kindest Regards,
Parliament
Dear Parliament,
You show contempt for your bosses. You're fired.
While I have sympathy with the intent - how? You're going to get a Tory or Labour PM next time. Parliament will be overwhelmingly Tory or Labour, with a sprinkling of SNP and Lib Dem, plus a dash of Northern Ireland MPs to season and garnished delicately with one to eight other MPs, including Plaid Cymru and Green.
FPTP is murder to new parties. It's the last defence of the Big Two, and it's more impervious than the trenches of WWI. It won't be changed without their agreement, and they'll never agree because it advantages them so much (albeit many will solemnly believe one rationalisation or another that it's morally right for it to be this way).
A new party needs 30%+ coming out of nowhere in order to start to shake that up properly, and that's a bare minimum. Leavers aren't getting a new party to that level. Look at how the Lib Dems have peaked on 10% while chasing the 48%.
A new party won't have their baggage, and might tap a narrative of unfairness, but that'd take them to 20% at the very most. That results in 0-2 seats and utter irrelevance, fading away over a handful of elections.
On mortgages, does it help if you were connected to the very top of New Labour ?
Mandy?
That really wasn't mortgage fraud in the traditional sense.
Whereas Tommy Robinson attempted to get two mortgages on the same property without telling either lender.
Does anybody how Tommy Robinson actually sustains himself and his family? I know at one point was dodgy property development and tanning shops, but as far as I know he doesn't do either these days.
I always wonder how he can continue to Facebook live outside courts etc without ever seeming to have any job or work to do. He has become so infamous these days, I doubt could a) ever get a regular job and b) imagine he would be limited in what businesses he could be involved in without some recognising him and the criminal convictions.
I imagine donations etc
Plus if he has a popular YouTube station (I don't know) some people live off those nowadays.
On mortgages, does it help if you were connected to the very top of New Labour ?
Mandy?
That really wasn't mortgage fraud in the traditional sense.
Whereas Tommy Robinson attempted to get two mortgages on the same property without telling either lender.
Does anybody how Tommy Robinson actually sustains himself and his family? I know at one point was dodgy property development and tanning shops, but as far as I know he doesn't do either these days.
I always wonder how he can continue to Facebook live outside courts etc without ever seeming to have any job or work to do. He has become so infamous these days, I doubt could a) ever get a regular job and b) imagine he would be limited in what businesses he could be involved in without some recognising him and the criminal convictions.
Like Tony Blair, George Osborne, Lance Armstrong and Boris Johnson people are prepared to pay big bucks to hear him speak.
"She should literally find a sword and throw herself on it. Let’s just remember the Norwegians executed Quisling for his collaboration with the forces of German lead European Subjugation"
I've just seen this comment on Facebook. I imagine you can guess who "she" is.
And people think passing this deal will subdue extremism and bring the country together? They are deluding themselves.
That you think the backstop need not have been agreed shows how little you know.
Edit: you fucking idiot.
Given that a solution was already in progress prior to the change in Irish governance I would suggest your comment reveals it is you who know little.
Did anyone ever ask which side you were on in the Troubles? I know you claim to have been in the British Army but sometimes you seem to have more in common with attitudes of the Republicans.
And your evidence that the previous solution wasn't the unworkable mess the Irish Government believe it to be is?
The fact it was a change of politicians who led to it being scrapped shows it for the flagrant political choice that it was.
Even if there is another referendum where Remain wins relatively comfortably, say 60-40, it's delusional to think that would be the end of it.
Those 40% will be seriously pissed off at having been given a puppy and then had it taken away from them. We will likely see hitherto unimaginable unrest and quite possibly the rapid rise of a Golden Dawn / RN / UKIP-ultra type party, to the point where they win a substantial number of seats at the next GE in an SNP 2015-style surge.
This would be one of the worst possible outcomes. If a new party emerges and takes power, it might even result in a delayed Superhard Brexit a few years down the line without even a referendum. Have the Remainers championing the 'Peoples vote' even considered this eventuality?
If there isn't a referendum on the deal now when so many people have called one, why shouldn't a subset of remainers be just as pissed off as the leavers you are thinking about?
The comparison with the SNP is specious. FPTP rewards parties like the SNP whose support is concentrated in small geographic areas, whereas a far-right party would likely have the opposite demographic characteristics. We saw this in 2015 where UKIP got 14% of the vote but just 1 seat.
That you think the backstop need not have been agreed shows how little you know.
Edit: you fucking idiot.
Given that a solution was already in progress prior to the change in Irish governance I would suggest your comment reveals it is you who know little.
Did anyone ever ask which side you were on in the Troubles? I know you claim to have been in the British Army but sometimes you seem to have more in common with attitudes of the Republicans.
And your evidence that the previous solution wasn't the unworkable mess the Irish Government believe it to be is?
I've never seen the need to agree a Backstop in advance of the main negotiations. Both sides are now left with something that will be awkward for them, if it has to be activated. It would have made life much easier to work out the future relationship and then work backwards from there to deal with the Irish Border.
On mortgages, does it help if you were connected to the very top of New Labour ?
Mandy?
That really wasn't mortgage fraud in the traditional sense.
Whereas Tommy Robinson attempted to get two mortgages on the same property without telling either lender.
Does anybody how Tommy Robinson actually sustains himself and his family? I know at one point was dodgy property development and tanning shops, but as far as I know he doesn't do either these days.
I always wonder how he can continue to Facebook live outside courts etc without ever seeming to have any job or work to do. He has become so infamous these days, I doubt could a) ever get a regular job and b) imagine he would be limited in what businesses he could be involved in without some recognising him and the criminal convictions.
I imagine donations etc
Plus if he has a popular YouTube station (I don't know) some people live off those nowadays.
I doubt he is making a living off YouTube. You need 50-100 million views a year to make a decent income (provided you don't do content that gets demonetised) and most YouTubers make the bulk of their income off sponsorships.
I would guess a lot of his videos get struck off for ads and I can't see Nike wanting to do sponsored vids.
On mortgages, does it help if you were connected to the very top of New Labour ?
Mandy?
That really wasn't mortgage fraud in the traditional sense.
Whereas Tommy Robinson attempted to get two mortgages on the same property without telling either lender.
I always wonder how Tommy Robinson actually sustains himself and his family? I know at one point was dodgy property development and tanning shops, but as far as I know he doesn't do either these days.
I always wonder how he can continue to Facebook live outside courts etc without ever seeming to have any job or work to do. He has become so infamous these days, I doubt could a) ever get a regular job and b) imagine he would be limited in what businesses he could be involved in without some recognising him and the criminal convictions.
A lot of donations from gullible idiots.
Plus that Rebel Media gig from Canada is quite good from the income front.
Even if there is another referendum where Remain wins relatively comfortably, say 60-40, it's delusional to think that would be the end of it.
Those 40% will be seriously pissed off at having been given a puppy and then had it taken away from them. We will likely see hitherto unimaginable unrest and quite possibly the rapid rise of a Golden Dawn / RN / UKIP-ultra type party, to the point where they win a substantial number of seats at the next GE in an SNP 2015-style surge.
This would be one of the worst possible outcomes. If a new party emerges and takes power, it might even result in a delayed Superhard Brexit a few years down the line without even a referendum. Have the Remainers championing the 'Peoples vote' even considered this eventuality?
Equally it may not. The 52% who voted leave did so for very different reasons based on very different possible Brexits. Some of those will be happy with and vote for May's deal, some may have seen how much further May's deal is from their own and may vote for remain instead.
So yes the number who want to leave may still be 40% but it may not be and equally some of those may be annoyed enough to go for a far right (or left) party but it won't be all of them.
Golden Dawn is unique because Greece is uniquely screwed..
Plus if he has a popular YouTube station (I don't know) some people live off those nowadays.
You might think Google, whose motto was once "don't be evil", would have a problem with being used as a funding stream for far-right hate speech. But you'd be wrong.
That you think the backstop need not have been agreed shows how little you know.
Edit: you fucking idiot.
Given that a solution was already in progress prior to the change in Irish governance I would suggest your comment reveals it is you who know little.
Did anyone ever ask which side you were on in the Troubles? I know you claim to have been in the British Army but sometimes you seem to have more in common with attitudes of the Republicans.
LOL Armchair General Tyndall speaks!
You dolt. There was and is no solution to the backstop.
Here's your hero:
"By January 2017, Mr Kenny realised technical fixes would not cut it; Northern Ireland first required political solutions."
Blaming remainers is clearly not going to fly, but theo is correct in that every ERG member could back the deal and it wouldn't pass. The DUP and remainers could see it through, ERG never could on their own.
I think there are 13 Remain Conservatives who are opposed. With 10 DUP, that would cut the government's vote to 303 if all Leavers came on board. If the Leavers did come back on board, with a few opposition MPs, that would make it a very tight result.
Yes it would be much tighter. But no dealers would never be on board, so it still wouldn't pass. Labour rebels were needed.
Let us enter the world of fantasy and bliss, an EU nerds Utopia, and enjoy the healing rigours of a hypothetical second referendum.
I'm sure we can conduct one without lashings of hyperbole, disputes, lies, twisted facts and unvarnished dishonesty. Having campaigned with calm, fairness and equanimity, now let us imagine it delivers a result that is Remain 55% vs Leave in some format 45% A 10% margin.
I would firstly suggest that would be a poor result for Remain, in view of the unremittingly negative forecasts for any sort of Brexit that have bombarded us for the last 4 or 5 months. There would be a cohesive argument that it would show a remarkable desire and tenacity for Leave of some sort from 45% of the electorate.
If you were the EU, what conditions would you want to impose on the UK before allowing us to revoke Article 50 and Remain? Would you want the UK as a member sitting on a knife edge waiting to pull the Article 50 trigger again?
Would we be asked to: stop having Brexity media? not enact Article 50 of 10 years? withdraw the Rebate? separate from Scotland allowing it and its fishing rights to be an independent state and EU member (thus giving England an EU land border in any future withdrawal negotiations)?
Once we have had 2 (or 3, depending on how you count) Referendum on the subject, be sure as the pendulum swings to the defeated side and changes occur to the relationship further referendums will be demanded.
Where is the solution? The closest solution may be in a parallel universe. That apart, the solution may be in 22nd Century.
On mortgages, does it help if you were connected to the very top of New Labour ?
Mandy?
That really wasn't mortgage fraud in the traditional sense.
Whereas Tommy Robinson attempted to get two mortgages on the same property without telling either lender.
I always wonder how Tommy Robinson actually sustains himself and his family? I know at one point was dodgy property development and tanning shops, but as far as I know he doesn't do either these days.
I always wonder how he can continue to Facebook live outside courts etc without ever seeming to have any job or work to do. He has become so infamous these days, I doubt could a) ever get a regular job and b) imagine he would be limited in what businesses he could be involved in without some recognising him and the criminal convictions.
A lot of donations from gullible idiots.
Plus that Rebel Media gig from Canada is quite good from the income front.
Mr. Urquhart, hmm. Would've guessed Patreon myself, but you're right about Youtubers not making much just on views. Might vary from the top end to the mid-grid.
"She should literally find a sword and throw herself on it. Let’s just remember the Norwegians executed Quisling for his collaboration with the forces of German lead European Subjugation"
I've just seen this comment on Facebook. I imagine you can guess who "she" is.
And people think passing this deal will subdue extremism and bring the country together? They are deluding themselves.
It moves us to fighting the next battle instead of the last one
Blaming remainers is clearly not going to fly, but theo is correct in that every ERG member could back the deal and it wouldn't pass. The DUP and remainers could see it through, ERG never could on their own.
I think there are 13 Remain Conservatives who are opposed. With 10 DUP, that would cut the government's vote to 303 if all Leavers came on board. If the Leavers did come back on board, with a few opposition MPs, that would make it a very tight result.
Yes it would be much tighter. But no dealers would never be on board, so it still wouldn't pass. Labour rebels were needed.
No Dealers have to be persuaded that they won't get No Deal.
Blaming remainers is clearly not going to fly, but theo is correct in that every ERG member could back the deal and it wouldn't pass. The DUP and remainers could see it through, ERG never could on their own.
I think there are 13 Remain Conservatives who are opposed. With 10 DUP, that would cut the government's vote to 303 if all Leavers came on board. If the Leavers did come back on board, with a few opposition MPs, that would make it a very tight result.
Yes it would be much tighter. But no dealers would never be on board, so it still wouldn't pass. Labour rebels were needed.
No Dealers have to be persuaded that they won't get No Deal.
They might truly believe remaining is best I if no deal is avoided. I'd respect those that admit that.
Mr. Urquhart, hmm. Would've guessed Patreon myself, but you're right about Youtubers not making much just on views. Might vary from the top end to the mid-grid.
I actually watched an interesting video the other day. The pay per view rate varies massively, depending on a load of factors, but one big difference can be category.
Apparently things like prank channels / videos receive basically bugger all per view, which means even massive "viral" videos often don't make that much money.
In comparison, boring grown up stuff like financial advice related things can receive 10x per view of those viral videos and so there are some in that sector who might only get 100k per video but are making a good living off that.
Overall though, for most "influencers", their income comes from what they can negotiate for sponsored videos / posts and selling merch and other products, and both of those revenue streams can be huge.
Blaming remainers is clearly not going to fly, but theo is correct in that every ERG member could back the deal and it wouldn't pass. The DUP and remainers could see it through, ERG never could on their own.
I think there are 13 Remain Conservatives who are opposed. With 10 DUP, that would cut the government's vote to 303 if all Leavers came on board. If the Leavers did come back on board, with a few opposition MPs, that would make it a very tight result.
Yes it would be much tighter. But no dealers would never be on board, so it still wouldn't pass. Labour rebels were needed.
No Dealers have to be persuaded that they won't get No Deal.
Coming at it from scratch, I have no doubt that the government would win the vote on the deal easily. The challenge is to allow those who have announced very publicly that they don't support it to climb down without looking like complete plonkers.
Edit: As I always have, I continue to think the deal will pass and have backed it up with twenty of my finest pounds at BF at the generous odds of 6.6.
Quite tragic to hear stories of huge family rifts over Brexit.
In one case reported husband votes out , German wife votes remain . It ends in divorce !
Leavers don’t seem to understand that bleating we love Europe , hate EU might have worked if the vote hadn’t been hijacked by anti EU national sentiment .
People can spin it anyway they like but the truth is many EU nationals felt like they were not welcome , and the vote was against them .
"She should literally find a sword and throw herself on it. Let’s just remember the Norwegians executed Quisling for his collaboration with the forces of German lead European Subjugation"
I've just seen this comment on Facebook. I imagine you can guess who "she" is.
And people think passing this deal will subdue extremism and bring the country together? They are deluding themselves.
Social media is full of Russian trolls. Once we bring migration under control, sign a couple of trade deals and there are no more crazy ECJ decisions affecting us on votes for prisoners etc, the extremists will struggle to gain traction.
Sabotaging a deal to blackmail a vote into Remaining, however...
Mr. Urquhart, that is interesting. I know the Dread Algorithm can demonetise videos before they're even finished uploading, and whilst reviews are possible any change usually happens after 48-72 hours when the vast majority of hits occur.
Mr. Evershed, they consorted with the Great Satan (Conservatives). They committed the Betrayal (tuition fees).
"She should literally find a sword and throw herself on it. Let’s just remember the Norwegians executed Quisling for his collaboration with the forces of German lead European Subjugation"
I've just seen this comment on Facebook. I imagine you can guess who "she" is.
And people think passing this deal will subdue extremism and bring the country together? They are deluding themselves.
Social media is full of Russian trolls. Once we bring migration under control, sign a couple of trade deals and there are no more crazy ECJ decisions affecting us on votes for prisoners etc, the extremists will struggle to gain traction.
Sabotaging a deal to blackmail a vote into Remaining, however...
As we have seen from the latest figures, how exactly do you think we will manage to bring migration under control? No government of our time has wanted to; what makes you think they will want to in future?
David Allen Green predicted before A50 was invoked, in extraordinary detail, exactly how May would botch brexit, and so it has played out almost completely to the letter.
Green's argument was that it was easy to predict. You just have to assume she'd approach Brexit the same way she approached various Home Office crises, and imagine she'd try to apply them to the EU, and it would fall apart spectacularly.
Things like:
* having a tiny circle of advisors of questionable wisdom * not bothering to engage her party or parliament in any of her thinking * attempting to use tabloid bullying to get people to obey * repeating trite phrases in lieu of having a coherent policy * mistake being stubborn for its own sake with being "strong and stable"
David Allen Green predicted before A50 was invoked, in extraordinary detail, exactly how May would botch brexit, and so it has played out almost completely to the letter.
Green's argument was that it was easy to predict. You just have to assume she'd approach Brexit the same way she approached various Home Office crises, and imagine she'd try to apply them to the EU, and it would fall apart spectacularly.
Things like:
* having a tiny circle of advisors of questionable wisdom * not bothering to engage her party or parliament in any of her thinking * attempting to use tabloid bullying to get people to obey * repeating trite phrases in lieu of having a coherent policy * mistake being stubborn for its own sake with being "strong and stable"
etc.
He also predicted the charlatans of Leave would be found out in office as they had to deliver on their fantasies.
Mr. Urquhart, that is interesting. I know the Dread Algorithm can demonetise videos before they're even finished uploading, and whilst reviews are possible any change usually happens after 48-72 hours when the vast majority of hits occur.
Mr. Evershed, they consorted with the Great Satan (Conservatives). They committed the Betrayal (tuition fees).
I certainly wouldn't want to be in the YouTube game. Sounds like at any moment the algorithm can change and completely screw you.
"She should literally find a sword and throw herself on it. Let’s just remember the Norwegians executed Quisling for his collaboration with the forces of German lead European Subjugation"
I've just seen this comment on Facebook. I imagine you can guess who "she" is.
And people think passing this deal will subdue extremism and bring the country together? They are deluding themselves.
Social media is full of Russian trolls. Once we bring migration under control, sign a couple of trade deals and there are no more crazy ECJ decisions affecting us on votes for prisoners etc, the extremists will struggle to gain traction.
Yet more lies. The ECJ said it's lawful to deny the vote to prisoners. It's the ECHR that said otherwise, and the Brexit deal binds us to the ECHR.
David Allen Green predicted before A50 was invoked, in extraordinary detail, exactly how May would botch brexit, and so it has played out almost completely to the letter.
Green's argument was that it was easy to predict. You just have to assume she'd approach Brexit the same way she approached various Home Office crises, and imagine she'd try to apply them to the EU, and it would fall apart spectacularly.
Things like:
* having a tiny circle of advisors of questionable wisdom * not bothering to engage her party or parliament in any of her thinking * attempting to use tabloid bullying to get people to obey * repeating trite phrases in lieu of having a coherent policy * mistake being stubborn for its own sake with being "strong and stable"
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Meanwhile in the Commons Shapps/Mr Green was very careful just now in summing up his speech to leave his options on the Deal vote carefully open.
My dad voted remain and my mum leave - after more than 55 years of marriage he passed away a few months ago and she cared for him every day at home and when he saw out his last few weeks in a nursing home. That is real love - and no referendum vote on membership of some supranational political body would ever have split them apart!
The ruling dismissed a judicial review brought by the Independent Workers Union of Great Britain (IWGB), which aimed to overturn an earlier ruling that confirmed those working for the delivery firm were self-employed.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/dec/05/deliveroo-riders-lose-high-court-battle-gain-union-recognition
Has anyone seen my hat and coat?
I think someone I know dad donates to PETA. If he saw that, he'd perhaps cancel said donations.
But is it a spent conviction now?
Assuming the DUP vote against, that leaves the opposition with 307. To get a tie, May would need Hermon, the Lab5, plus 301 of her 316 - and that's assuming the remaining Tories can be persuaded to only abstain, obv much more difficult when those vote against.
If the DUP can be brought onboard somehow, opposition has 297, May needs 291/316 .... begins to look just about possible, on a 2nd vote at least. Still threading-the-needle territory though.
time for Saddiq Khan to hit the phones
nice quiet city, good restauants, top class french schools etc.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/05/macron-mulls-bringing-back-ultra-rich-tax-halt-yellow-vest-protests/
That's quite delicious.
Especially the one for for fraud.
Edit: you fucking idiot.
Trump looking disinterested and Obama's obvious disdain of Trump so evident
Belfast is more peaceful than Paris
I was left wondering how many cats she had had which had been savaged by dogs!
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/05/talks-collapse-to-avert-walkouts-by-staff-rmt-members-on-northern-rail-north-of-england-train-services
This may all change depending on how is contempt case goes.
Those 40% will be seriously pissed off at having been given a puppy and then had it taken away from them. We will likely see hitherto unimaginable unrest and quite possibly the rapid rise of a Golden Dawn / RN / UKIP-ultra type party, to the point where they win a substantial number of seats at the next GE in an SNP 2015-style surge.
This would be one of the worst possible outcomes. If a new party emerges and takes power, it might even result in a delayed Superhard Brexit a few years down the line without even a referendum. Have the Remainers championing the 'Peoples vote' even considered this eventuality?
That really wasn't mortgage fraud in the traditional sense.
Whereas Tommy Robinson attempted to get two mortgages on the same property without telling either lender.
Did anyone ever ask which side you were on in the Troubles? I know you claim to have been in the British Army but sometimes you seem to have more in common with attitudes of the Republicans.
That term is a term reserved for ERG members only.
We thank you in advance for your compliance.
UKIP will perhaps go under, with Farage, maybe bankrolled by Banks, fronting a new party (I Can't Believe It's Not UKIP). Another new party, further to the right, might emerge. The narrative of betrayal, contempt for the electorate, an elite promoting the EU interest over UK democracy etc will all feed into that.
Right now we have a listless Conservative Party and a Labour Party whose front bench has an assortment of people who think marching under Stalin banners is sensible. If one or both parties return to sanity it'd help fend off the conditions most conducive to a new far right party, but if they remain trapped in mediocrity and socialist bullshit, that only makes demagoguery more likely.
I've just seen this comment on Facebook. I imagine you can guess who "she" is.
I always wonder how he can continue to Facebook live outside courts etc without ever seeming to have any job or work to do. He has become so infamous these days, I doubt could a) ever get a regular job and b) imagine he would be limited in what businesses he could be involved in without some recognising him and the criminal convictions.
https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1070295452489314304?s=19
You're going to get a Tory or Labour PM next time. Parliament will be overwhelmingly Tory or Labour, with a sprinkling of SNP and Lib Dem, plus a dash of Northern Ireland MPs to season and garnished delicately with one to eight other MPs, including Plaid Cymru and Green.
FPTP is murder to new parties. It's the last defence of the Big Two, and it's more impervious than the trenches of WWI. It won't be changed without their agreement, and they'll never agree because it advantages them so much (albeit many will solemnly believe one rationalisation or another that it's morally right for it to be this way).
A new party needs 30%+ coming out of nowhere in order to start to shake that up properly, and that's a bare minimum. Leavers aren't getting a new party to that level. Look at how the Lib Dems have peaked on 10% while chasing the 48%.
A new party won't have their baggage, and might tap a narrative of unfairness, but that'd take them to 20% at the very most. That results in 0-2 seats and utter irrelevance, fading away over a handful of elections.
Plus if he has a popular YouTube station (I don't know) some people live off those nowadays.
I would guess a lot of his videos get struck off for ads and I can't see Nike wanting to do sponsored vids.
Plus that Rebel Media gig from Canada is quite good from the income front.
But I'd be so upset if Tommy Robinson did a Milo.
https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2018/12/02/milo-yiannopoulos-debt-crisis/
So yes the number who want to leave may still be 40% but it may not be and equally some of those may be annoyed enough to go for a far right (or left) party but it won't be all of them.
Golden Dawn is unique because Greece is uniquely screwed..
A new party, likely pro-EU Con/Lab types, could do very well against a tired blue party and a far left red party.
Doubt it'll happen, mind.
You dolt. There was and is no solution to the backstop.
Here's your hero:
"By January 2017, Mr Kenny realised technical fixes would not cut it; Northern Ireland first required political solutions."
https://ft.com/content/73ac4a5c-d83f-11e8-a854-33d6f82e62f8
That solution?
I'm sure we can conduct one without lashings of hyperbole, disputes, lies, twisted facts and unvarnished dishonesty. Having campaigned with calm, fairness and equanimity, now let us imagine it delivers a result that is Remain 55% vs Leave in some format 45% A 10% margin.
I would firstly suggest that would be a poor result for Remain, in view of the unremittingly negative forecasts for any sort of Brexit that have bombarded us for the last 4 or 5 months. There would be a cohesive argument that it would show a remarkable desire and tenacity for Leave of some sort from 45% of the electorate.
If you were the EU, what conditions would you want to impose on the UK before allowing us to revoke Article 50 and Remain? Would you want the UK as a member sitting on a knife edge waiting to pull the Article 50 trigger again?
Would we be asked to:
stop having Brexity media?
not enact Article 50 of 10 years?
withdraw the Rebate?
separate from Scotland allowing it and its fishing rights to be an independent state and EU member (thus giving England an EU land border in any future withdrawal negotiations)?
Once we have had 2 (or 3, depending on how you count) Referendum on the subject, be sure as the pendulum swings to the defeated side and changes occur to the relationship further referendums will be demanded.
Where is the solution?
The closest solution may be in a parallel universe. That apart, the solution may be in 22nd Century.
I said the London Underground copes fine and dandy without conductors.
When you struck that bet I thought you were bonkers, but you might be punter of the year soon.
Apparently things like prank channels / videos receive basically bugger all per view, which means even massive "viral" videos often don't make that much money.
In comparison, boring grown up stuff like financial advice related things can receive 10x per view of those viral videos and so there are some in that sector who might only get 100k per video but are making a good living off that.
Overall though, for most "influencers", their income comes from what they can negotiate for sponsored videos / posts and selling merch and other products, and both of those revenue streams can be huge.
Edit: As I always have, I continue to think the deal will pass and have backed it up with twenty of my finest pounds at BF at the generous odds of 6.6.
In one case reported husband votes out , German wife votes remain . It ends in divorce !
Leavers don’t seem to understand that bleating we love Europe , hate EU might have worked if the vote hadn’t been hijacked by anti EU national sentiment .
People can spin it anyway they like but the truth is many EU nationals felt like they were not welcome , and the vote was against them .
Sabotaging a deal to blackmail a vote into Remaining, however...
Mr. Evershed, they consorted with the Great Satan (Conservatives). They committed the Betrayal (tuition fees).
Green's argument was that it was easy to predict. You just have to assume she'd approach Brexit the same way she approached various Home Office crises, and imagine she'd try to apply them to the EU, and it would fall apart spectacularly.
Things like:
* having a tiny circle of advisors of questionable wisdom
* not bothering to engage her party or parliament in any of her thinking
* attempting to use tabloid bullying to get people to obey
* repeating trite phrases in lieu of having a coherent policy
* mistake being stubborn for its own sake with being "strong and stable"
etc.
Very close to misuse of the civil service for party political purposes imho.
https://www.wired.com/story/pricey-war-influence-your-instagram-feed/
https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1070356376105435138