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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The party whose leader has the worst LOTO ratings on record refuses to accept an anti-Brexit petition

It gets worse! Labour staffer has come down to say they don’t accept petitions at Labour HQ. So they won’t take the @peoplesvote_uk petition. pic.twitter.com/yhVjwFcFzZ

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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 20,488
    First!
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 1,815
    edited February 11
    Second... like, inevitably, Corbyn.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 7,715
    I think there's a chance that this would make a top 100 list of "not smart moves by the Labour leadership under Corbyn."

    But I'm not sure.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 13,585

    Second... like, inevitably, Corbyn.

    Nothing’s inevitable. As Warren said of Trump, “he may not even be a free person by 2020”....

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 25,771
    edited February 11
    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 7,715
    FPT
    Nigelb said:

    On topic, the early polling and anecdata indications are that the Democrats want a liberal candidate, but want a candidate that can win even more.

    If a liberal can convince that they will win in November 2020, they will get the nomination, but I don’t think it’s going to be a progressive purity contest.

    Is there a difference between the most electable liberal candidate and the most liberal electable candidate?

    I'm also wary of perceptions of electability, because I'd bet that there are lots of Leavers in the UK who reckon that No Deal would be electorally popular - because they confuse what they find appealing with what people generally will find appealing. I do not have confidence that Democrat Primary voters will be immune to this cognitive bias.
  • I think there's a chance that this would make a top 100 list of "not smart moves by the Labour leadership under Corbyn."

    But I'm not sure.

    He really is as thick as a plank
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 25,771
    Nigelb said:

    Second... like, inevitably, Corbyn.

    Nothing’s inevitable. As Warren said of Trump, “he may not even be a free person by 2020”....

    Is there a market on that?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 48,367

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    Not true.

    The current party leadership is out of step with those who previously voted for the party.
  • eekeek Posts: 4,772


    although surely they should expect publicity stunts...
  • "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Which Tory were you referring to?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 25,771
    Scott_P said:

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    Not true.

    The current party leadership is out of step with those who previously voted for the party.
    She got 13.6m votes in 2017. I'd suggest she worry about keeping those on board. Polling says she mostly is. Even though they've lost both me and you.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 25,771
    Burns burned....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 25,771

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Which Tory were you referring to?
    I blame inept post editing!
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 1,107

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Which Tory were you referring to?
    If you're going to do that, you should probably try to avoid ending sentance's with prepositions.
  • "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 25,128
    Blimey. Has Jezza finally decided he's had enough?

    This is a near suicidal act by his top team.

    Bonkers.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 11,942

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    The LibDem's massive problem is that they are the Lib Dems.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 19,131

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
    She delivered what was arguably one of the best Remain speeches of the campaign.
  • TOPPING said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
    She delivered what was arguably one of the best Remain speeches of the campaign.
    She may have done, but it looks pretty disingenuous now considering she claims the electorate also voted for a number of things not explicitly on the ballot paper, and is pushing for a hard Brexit, (even though it is not quite the full fat WTO madness as beloved by the ERG self-harm death cult).
  • TOPPING said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
    She delivered what was arguably one of the best Remain speeches of the campaign.
    Having just read that again, it is quite extraordinary that she could take the position that she has since being promoted to PM
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 1,107
    No ships are better than bad ships?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 19,131

    TOPPING said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
    She delivered what was arguably one of the best Remain speeches of the campaign.
    Having just read that again, it is quite extraordinary that she could take the position that she has since being promoted to PM
    Oh yes. She is deeply flawed and wholly unfit for purpose. But it was a great speech. Was that the "true" Theresa allowed to express herself in a competent manner; something she had not done before and has not done since.
  • Blimey. Has Jezza finally decided he's had enough?

    This is a near suicidal act by his top team.

    Bonkers.

    There is now a new British political disease that is best demonstrated by Corbyn, Momentum and the ERG. It is called self harm-itus, or its latin term, politico-auto-nocentibus. In it's most virulent form it causes the largely insufferable sufferer to advocate policies that are designed to cause maximum electoral damage to their party, whilst simultaneously damaging the country's economy in extremis.
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
    She delivered what was arguably one of the best Remain speeches of the campaign.
    Having just read that again, it is quite extraordinary that she could take the position that she has since being promoted to PM
    Oh yes. She is deeply flawed and wholly unfit for purpose. But it was a great speech. Was that the "true" Theresa allowed to express herself in a competent manner; something she had not done before and has not done since.
    Maybe the person we see today is not really Theresa May, but a lizardoid controlled by fellow lizard alien Vladimir Putin. I am sure I saw a long tongue shoot out from her the other day. This Brexit madness is getting to me....
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 19,131

    Blimey. Has Jezza finally decided he's had enough?

    This is a near suicidal act by his top team.

    Bonkers.

    There is now a new British political disease that is best demonstrated by Corbyn, Momentum and the ERG. It is called self harm-itus, or its latin term, politico-auto-nocentibus. In it's most virulent form it causes the largely insufferable sufferer to advocate policies that are designed to cause maximum electoral damage to their party, whilst simultaneously damaging the country's economy in extremis.
    It is not new - it has been a feature of much of politics over the years and is correctly named not taking yes for an answer-itis.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 50,535
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Incitatus for PM!
  • TOPPING said:

    Blimey. Has Jezza finally decided he's had enough?

    This is a near suicidal act by his top team.

    Bonkers.

    There is now a new British political disease that is best demonstrated by Corbyn, Momentum and the ERG. It is called self harm-itus, or its latin term, politico-auto-nocentibus. In it's most virulent form it causes the largely insufferable sufferer to advocate policies that are designed to cause maximum electoral damage to their party, whilst simultaneously damaging the country's economy in extremis.
    It is not new - it has been a feature of much of politics over the years and is correctly named not taking yes for an answer-itis.
    Hmm, perhaps you were right. In the past those that were identified as having the disease were made to ring a bell and say "spare a Talent for an old ex-Marxist". Every now and again someone might give them half a Dinari, and then they'd be told to piss off. Now a bunch of gullible idiots have caused the spread of the disease by suggesting that "that wing of the party needs to be heard". Silly tossers.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,779
    Maybe Corbyn knows that if he alienates that 19% of Labour voters he's toast. The 73% are still voting for him despite his stance on Brexit. Driving Leave voters to the Tories in order to (maybe) pick up a few Remainers from the Lib Dems and SNP would not be smart.
  • felixfelix Posts: 8,889

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
  • felixfelix Posts: 8,889

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Which Tory were you referring to?
    Lol - I think he meant himself - he's forgotten that he is out of step with this century.
  • felix said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
  • felixfelix Posts: 8,889
    Endillion said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Which Tory were you referring to?
    If you're going to do that, you should probably try to avoid ending sentance's with prepositions.
    Or spelling sentence incorrectly?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 48,367
    felix said:

    Or spelling sentence incorrectly?

    If Brexit doesn't allow us to create our own spelling, what's the point?
  • felixfelix Posts: 8,889

    felix said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
    Now now - you were doing so well till you descended into ageism.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 4,572
    edited February 11
    Scott_P said:
    Amazing. I can only assume Grayling was the victim of some sort of hoax here, with these Seaborne characters just trying to see how far he'd go. If it was a con trick, surely they'd have at least attempted to make it look like a vaguely serious project.
  • felix said:

    Endillion said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Which Tory were you referring to?
    If you're going to do that, you should probably try to avoid ending sentance's with prepositions.
    Or spelling sentence incorrectly?
    Perhaps "Sentance" is a proper noun, but the capital S was overlooked. He/she apparently has "with prepositions", whatever that means.
  • felix said:

    felix said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
    Now now - you were doing so well till you descended into ageism.
    My apols, you are right that one was a little too ageist. A little sloppy; the image of goose-stepping swivel-eyed septuagenarians just seemed too good.
  • Scott_P said:

    felix said:

    Or spelling sentence incorrectly?

    If Brexit doesn't allow us to create our own spelling, what's the point?
    Taik bak Kontroal
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 7,715
    Essexit said:

    Maybe Corbyn knows that if he alienates that 19% of Labour voters he's toast. The 73% are still voting for him despite his stance on Brexit. Driving Leave voters to the Tories in order to (maybe) pick up a few Remainers from the Lib Dems and SNP would not be smart.

    The Blairites might want to reflect that Corbyn's Brexit policy is classic third-way triangulation. He has taken up a policy position one small step on the Remain side of the position of the Leader of the Conservative Party.

    Whether this triangulation has failed due to incompetence, or the polarisation that brought Corbyn to the Labour leadership, is secondary to my delight at this unintended irony.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 26,015
    Nigelb said:
    Much the most helpful intervention from the EU for some considerable time. They need to be helping to narrow down options.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 13,585

    Nigelb said:
    Much the most helpful intervention from the EU for some considerable time...
    Not that there has been much competition for that accolade.
  • felixfelix Posts: 8,889

    felix said:

    felix said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
    Now now - you were doing so well till you descended into ageism.
    My apols, you are right that one was a little too ageist. A little sloppy; the image of goose-stepping swivel-eyed septuagenarians just seemed too good.
    Not when you're only 5 years away from 3 score and 10!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 3,838
    Jeez can't these PV people just let the wretched thing drop! Forever bothering Jeremy with it when he has other things to focus on. Now here they come with a stupid little 'petition' and they expect him to drop everything and look at it. Typically reprehensible behaviour from a bunch of entitled remainers. It's a wonder that Jeremy doesn't lose his rag with them. I certainly would. Guess that's why I'm not LOTO material and he is.
  • felix said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
    Now now - you were doing so well till you descended into ageism.
    My apols, you are right that one was a little too ageist. A little sloppy; the image of goose-stepping swivel-eyed septuagenarians just seemed too good.
    Not when you're only 5 years away from 3 score and 10!
    Congratulations. 70 is the new 60! And 60 is the new 50! (I will be there in another 5 years!)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 25,771
    Scott_P said:
    Damn, Labour's politicking is so shallow even the New European has spotted it.....
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 15,743
    Nigelb said:
    She's wrong there. The route is the one I mapped out at the weekend, via an A50 extension and a second referendum, which the government feels obliged to table as the only way of getting the deal through (and with a new mandate), and has to table Remain, and probably No Deal, as options in order to attract enough votes to gain parliamentary support for the referendum.
  • Nigelb said:
    Much the most helpful intervention from the EU for some considerable time. They need to be helping to narrow down options.
    A structured Brexit is as stupid a concept as a painless headache.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 26,015

    Nigelb said:
    Much the most helpful intervention from the EU for some considerable time. They need to be helping to narrow down options.
    A structured Brexit is as stupid a concept as a painless headache.
    Well yes, but there are no sensible concepts from here.
  • felix said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
    Now now - you were doing so well till you descended into ageism.
    My apols, you are right that one was a little too ageist. A little sloppy; the image of goose-stepping swivel-eyed septuagenarians just seemed too good.
    Not when you're only 5 years away from 3 score and 10!
    Congratulations. 70 is the new 60! And 60 is the new 50! (I will be there in another 5 years!)
    60 is the new 50 because you need another 10 years to pay off the mortgage
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 25,771
    TOPPING said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
    She delivered what was arguably one of the best Remain speeches of the campaign.
    If the photo accompanying that speech was remotely contemporary, she has aged 20 years in 3.....
  • felix said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
    Now now - you were doing so well till you descended into ageism.
    My apols, you are right that one was a little too ageist. A little sloppy; the image of goose-stepping swivel-eyed septuagenarians just seemed too good.
    Not when you're only 5 years away from 3 score and 10!
    Congratulations. 70 is the new 60! And 60 is the new 50! (I will be there in another 5 years!)
    60 is the new 50 because you need another 10 years to pay off the mortgage
    In that case I suspect that after Brexit, 80 will be the new 50
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 13,585
    edited February 11

    Nigelb said:
    She's wrong there. The route is the one I mapped out at the weekend, via an A50 extension and a second referendum, which the government feels obliged to table as the only way of getting the deal through (and with a new mandate), and has to table Remain, and probably No Deal, as options in order to attract enough votes to gain parliamentary support for the referendum.
    I don't disagree (and I suggested/advocated such a route months ago).

    Interesting that she's publicly making the point, though.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 13,585
  • TOPPING said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Whatever one might say of Theresa May, she is not a "Remainer". She largely sat on the fence and then has very much come down in the cause of appeasing the headbangers, and has done so since she became PM. The electorate clipped her wings, but she still tries to push through what is pretty much a hard Brexit position, even though she has no mandate for such.
    She delivered what was arguably one of the best Remain speeches of the campaign.
    If the photo accompanying that speech was remotely contemporary, she has aged 20 years in 3.....
    Most leaders do.
  • And goodnight Mr Jennings. An apt way for his struggles to end sadly.
  • Blimey. Has Jezza finally decided he's had enough?

    This is a near suicidal act by his top team.

    Bonkers.

    There is now a new British political disease that is best demonstrated by Corbyn, Momentum and the ERG. It is called self harm-itus, or its latin term, politico-auto-nocentibus. In it's most virulent form it causes the largely insufferable sufferer to advocate policies that are designed to cause maximum electoral damage to their party, whilst simultaneously damaging the country's economy in extremis.
    I'm not sure it is self-harm. The hard left's long-term goal is to control the Labour party. At the moment, the one branch they don't control is the MPs. If the Corbynites push the Centrists into splitting then they may well lose the next election BUT they will still be the opposition and they will now have a party fully-controlled by the left. As long as the left are in control of the Labour party they can afford to wait until the electorate tire of the Tories.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 53,480
    edited February 11
    Brexit has come up both socially and professionally at my work today...
    It was the main topic of conversation amongst a group of friends I saw on Saturday too !
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 50,535
    Mr. B, seen a little of the new Toro Rosso on Twitter.

    Unfortunately, I'm making some last changes to a book (out soon *cough*) and have to do that rather than read/think about F1.
  • I heard her interviewed on 5 live a few days ago and all she could say was 'foreigners'

    Utterly appalling piece of work (and that is something for me to say who likes to be polite as much as possible)
  • gypsumfantasticgypsumfantastic Posts: 258
    edited February 11
    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 26,213

    And goodnight Mr Jennings. An apt way for his struggles to end sadly.

    Bit unlucky but frankly he did not deserve any luck. He was less embarrassing in the second innings than the first. That is probably the best that can be said.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 3,509

    Blimey. Has Jezza finally decided he's had enough?

    This is a near suicidal act by his top team.

    Bonkers.

    There is now a new British political disease that is best demonstrated by Corbyn, Momentum and the ERG. It is called self harm-itus, or its latin term, politico-auto-nocentibus. In it's most virulent form it causes the largely insufferable sufferer to advocate policies that are designed to cause maximum electoral damage to their party, whilst simultaneously damaging the country's economy in extremis.
    I'm not sure it is self-harm. The hard left's long-term goal is to control the Labour party. At the moment, the one branch they don't control is the MPs. If the Corbynites push the Centrists into splitting then they may well lose the next election BUT they will still be the opposition and they will now have a party fully-controlled by the left. As long as the left are in control of the Labour party they can afford to wait until the electorate tire of the Tories.
    If the alternative election option is the left controlled Labour party then I would suggest that, far from tiring, the electorate will have to have died, apart from the left controlled Labour party bit. I will unfortunately miss the pleasure of witnessing how that goes.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 7,567

    Nigelb said:
    Much the most helpful intervention from the EU for some considerable time. They need to be helping to narrow down options.
    And yet, most of the replies to that tweet are exactly that 'we can just say we stay'...

    It does seem as though the post war structures are now breaking down in the West, just as outside forces caused the Berlin wall. Not just the UK, but throughout Europe and in the US.

    We're living in interesting times.
  • Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    The next most ridiculous concept along with an "organised Brexit" and a painless headache, comes un-racist racism, as typified by that alleged non-racist, Mr Nigel Farage.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 26,015

    I heard her interviewed on 5 live a few days ago and all she could say was 'foreigners'

    Utterly appalling piece of work (and that is something for me to say who likes to be polite as much as possible)
    I haven't come across her but she really must be quite something to provoke you so much.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 7,567

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    Or the racists can just join the existing labour party which it seems they now control.
  • Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    Or the racists can just join the existing labour party which it seems they now control.
    Don't be silly. Labour can't be racist, Jews don't count.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 25,771

    Nigelb said:
    Much the most helpful intervention from the EU for some considerable time. They need to be helping to narrow down options.
    A structured Brexit is as stupid a concept as a painless headache.
    Other opinions are available.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 53,480
    !Jeopardy!

    Who is Anne Marie Moris ?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 7,198
    "Fox News host Pete Hegseth has confessed on air that he has not washed his hands for 10 years because "germs are not a real thing"."
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47201923
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 7,198
    So whatever it's called is the new UKIP.
  • felixfelix Posts: 8,889

    felix said:

    felix said:

    felix said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Not sure that is correct. The most recent polling I saw suggest she remains popular with Conservative voters. The Tory problem is that the members may be the ones out of step.
    They haven't quite been able to coordinate how to do the goosestep. It is quite challenging for the over-70s
    Now now - you were doing so well till you descended into ageism.
    My apols, you are right that one was a little too ageist. A little sloppy; the image of goose-stepping swivel-eyed septuagenarians just seemed too good.
    Not when you're only 5 years away from 3 score and 10!
    Congratulations. 70 is the new 60! And 60 is the new 50! (I will be there in another 5 years!)
    Tell that to my aches and pains! :)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 3,838

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    You need to wash your mouth out with soap. It was all about the failure of the political class to listen to the concerns of people who have been left behind by globalisation.
  • I heard her interviewed on 5 live a few days ago and all she could say was 'foreigners'

    Utterly appalling piece of work (and that is something for me to say who likes to be polite as much as possible)
    I haven't come across her but she really must be quite something to provoke you so much.
    I despaired
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 23,213
    edited February 11
    The interesting question is why Nigel Farage hasn't started his own new party. I imagine it's because it's a lot of work and he really can't be bothered.
  • kinabalu said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    You need to wash your mouth out with soap. It was all about the failure of the political class to listen to the concerns of people who have been left behind by globalisation.
    I mean that's a very longwinded way of saying racist.
  • kinabalu said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    You need to wash your mouth out with soap. It was all about the failure of the political class to listen to the concerns of people who have been left behind by globalisation.
    I mean that's a very longwinded way of saying racist.
    There was a racist theme from some but to brand 17.4 million voters as racist is a nonsense. There were many others reasons for brexit
  • kinabalu said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    You need to wash your mouth out with soap. It was all about the failure of the political class to listen to the concerns of people who have been left behind by globalisation.
    I mean that's a very longwinded way of saying racist.
    There was a racist theme from some but to brand 17.4 million voters as racist is a nonsense. There were many others reasons for brexit
    16.8 million racists
    0.6 million idiots
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 7,715
    Pulpstar said:

    !Jeopardy!

    Who is Anne Marie Moris ?

    She was one of the candidates for leader the last time UKIP held a leadership election (after the Liverpool academic did so well at 2017GE, but before the ex-Army guy had to resign because of his girlfriend). After she lost she went off and formed her own party that was explicitly anti-Muslim. Something like the New Britain Party.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 1,107
    felix said:

    Endillion said:

    "Labour’s massive problem is that the leadership is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party."

    The Tory's massive problem is that the Remainer leader is out of step with the vast majority of those who vote for the party.

    The LibDem's massive problem is the leader.

    Which Tory were you referring to?
    If you're going to do that, you should probably try to avoid ending sentance's with prepositions.
    Or spelling sentence incorrectly?
    I had to make some deliberate errors to cover myself in case I made some accidental ones. In retrospect, it was never going to be possible for anyone to tell the difference.
  • Scott_P said:
    FT anti brexit stance showing. Of course brexit is a negative to the economy but we are doing better than Italy and Germany and on a par with France
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 19,131

    kinabalu said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    You need to wash your mouth out with soap. It was all about the failure of the political class to listen to the concerns of people who have been left behind by globalisation.
    I mean that's a very longwinded way of saying racist.
    I am a big fan of immigration. It's not that I want to reduce the number of immigrants it's just that I want to be able to control that number look at Australia with its points system and why should we discriminate against people from India in favour of people from Europe.

    is a very longwinded way of saying racist.

    (Step forward every Leaver who has ever opined on the matter.)
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 3,509

    kinabalu said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    You need to wash your mouth out with soap. It was all about the failure of the political class to listen to the concerns of people who have been left behind by globalisation.
    I mean that's a very longwinded way of saying racist.
    There was a racist theme from some but to brand 17.4 million voters as racist is a nonsense. There were many others reasons for brexit
    16.8 million racists
    0.6 million idiots
    You're obviously a fan of racist Dianne
  • Scott_P said:
    Reality is just Project Fear.

    When the Brecession happens it will be because remoaners didn't BELIEVE IN BRITAIN hard enough.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 13,585

    "Fox News host Pete Hegseth has confessed on air that he has not washed his hands for 10 years because "germs are not a real thing"."
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47201923

    The BBC story is innumerate. The bacterial level per gram of faeces in the quoted study is in the tens to hundreds of millions, not 'trillions'. Only about four or five orders of magnitude out.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 13,585

    Mr. B, seen a little of the new Toro Rosso on Twitter.

    Unfortunately, I'm making some last changes to a book (out soon *cough*) and have to do that rather than read/think about F1.

    All the best with your efforts.
  • kinabalu said:

    Sad how difficult it is these days to found a racist party full of racists without racists joining and spoiling your racism with their racism.

    That said, I'm glad her party exists because it reminds people, lest they forget, that racism, xenophobia, and petty small minded bigotry and hatred is and always was the primary motivating factor behind Brexit.

    You need to wash your mouth out with soap. It was all about the failure of the political class to listen to the concerns of people who have been left behind by globalisation.
    I mean that's a very longwinded way of saying racist.
    There was a racist theme from some but to brand 17.4 million voters as racist is a nonsense. There were many others reasons for brexit
    16.8 million racists
    0.6 million idiots
    Just utter nonsense
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 3,509

    Scott_P said:
    FT anti brexit stance showing. Of course brexit is a negative to the economy but we are doing better than Italy and Germany and on a par with France
    I did wonder why it was a blow to the data?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 13,585

    And goodnight Mr Jennings. An apt way for his struggles to end sadly.

    Surely that is it for his test career ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 38,215

    Scott_P said:
    Reality is just Project Fear.

    When the Brecession happens it will be because remoaners didn't BELIEVE IN BRITAIN hard enough.
    Will I have to dig up that old Balls flatlining gif?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 50,535
    Mr. B, thanks, could use all the luck I can get :p
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 7,715

    Pulpstar said:

    !Jeopardy!

    Who is Anne Marie Moris ?

    She was one of the candidates for leader the last time UKIP held a leadership election (after the Liverpool academic did so well at 2017GE, but before the ex-Army guy had to resign because of his girlfriend). After she lost she went off and formed her own party that was explicitly anti-Muslim. Something like the New Britain Party.
    Oops. No. That was Anne Marie Waters.

    Anne Marie Morris is the Conservative MP for Newton Abbot, where I was living for the 2015GE, and I think she was in trouble for using racist language in more innocent times before Brexit sent everyone completely crazy.
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