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Tom Watson reveals he has send Jeremy Corbyn a dossier of 50 allegations of anti-Semitism that he feels have not been dealt with by Labour.
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Sandbach next out the door?
.....and be replaced by Chris Williamson.
He too has his own mandate and yet has been sidelined by Corbyn and co.
My guess is that Corbyn will ignore his challenge, get Charlie Falconer to reorganise the complaints procedure, point to that as evidence he is doing something, repeat ad nauseam how he is anti-racist, his mother was at Cable Street, blah, blah and continue as before.
The problems of the spread of anti-semitism within Labour arise because Corbyn is at its head. Anti-semitism within Labour did not start with him but he has enabled its spread because those who are anti-semites feel emboldened by his presence, think he shares their views and, crucially, feel that because they support him he is willing to overlook the anti-semitism.
Until he challenges himself and changes his approach and admits that he has on occasion done the wrong thing he will not be able to deal with this personally. Some people rise to the occasion and can move on from the worst of their past, learning from it and holding onto the best of it. The world is full of leaders who have done so. Corbyn is not one of those people. And, judging by his time as leader, he is not going to change now.
So Watson's challenge to Corbyn is one that Watson knows Corbyn cannot meet.
What exactly does this mean, and what sanctions would be applied? At present we have umpteen policemen wasting ... oops ... spending heaven knows how much time policing speech on twitter and thought in people's heads, and it does not seem to have achieved very much.
Wasn't a major defence of Corbyn vis a vis the Hodge Dossier that most of the alleged antisemites were not in Labour? How will the Labour Party control people?
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Westminster voting projection, turnout adjusted:
CON: 44% (+1)
LAB: 37% (-)
LIB: 8% (-2)
UKP: 3% (-)
GRN: 2% (-1)
@OpiniumResearch, 20–22 Feb
Changes with 13–15 Feb
It looks a bit odd,however, that UKIP jump to 7% when TIG is mentioned!
If Watson is forced out by Momentum and Red Len, then expect Real Labour to be formed within hours and take dozens of MPs with it.
Apparently, she saw a debate about it on 'The Last Leg' TV show.
And at least according to Robert Peston (and even though it's Pesto it does sound feasible to me) TM unofficially WANTS the Cooper amendment to pass.
Idea being twofold -
1) It ramps up the pressure on the ERG to vote for the Deal, knowing the alternative is a serious delay to Brexit and ultimately a much softer one or even Remain. The Olly Roberts bar-room 'indiscretion'.
2) It will mean that she can blame the opposition for forcing her to request an extension. Less humiliating for her, less damaging in the eyes of Tory leave members and voters.
'I am quite sceptical about this poll:
They have 35% of 18-24s voting CON, and only 2% voting LDM.
Leave are only 4pts behind remain in London???
35-54s are more pro-LAB than 25-34s.
LDM on 6% without TIG included seems very low.
31% of LDM voters to vote leave?'
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/theresa-may-has-picked-the-day-on-which-brexit-will-live-or-die/
Corbyn: I condemn all types of pizza toppings.
This would not be happening if Pizza Hut was nationalised, and that is what a Labour government led by Jeremy Corbyn will delivery.
Watson organised an incompetent coup with his stooges, Simon and Bryant. They couldn’t even remove a mortally wounded Blair.
Given a choice between Corby and Watson, I would choose Corby.
Gordon Brown - overrated Chancellor, underrated PM.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted
As for the rest of those points, this is why pollsters weight polls.
If you wanted to know how we ended up with Brexit and Trump it all makes sense that it is the response from a vengeful God who hates his children putting pineapple on pizzas.
I see even as chancellor you are making excuses for him.
"the big boys made him do it"
who can forget "gulags for slags"
and
"British jobs for British workers"
The only redeeming feature of his premiership was the superb but humiliating decision to call back his enemy Peter Mandleson to stop the rot, which Mandelson did very well. And fortunately Brown was too weak to chuck out Darling, which also helped a lot. But that was despite Brown, not because of him.
Another one to watch?
May doesn’t have the intellect of Brown, nor does she know - or have the ability - to call back her Mandelson.
DC was a vacuous PR poshboy who made the most disastrous mistake in British modern political history in calling and losing an In/Out EU referendum.
TB was a twitching zealot with a messiah complex who went mad in office and made the second most disastrous mistake in British modern political history in bullying through a decision to invade Iraq.
Conclusion?
If GB was abysmal as PM, we need a word for 'worse than abysmal' for every other one we have had since the very good egg John Major.
And I too am slightly upset to find that I now have to share it with you.
Still, I bet there are other ways in which we are both of us unique.
I quite like Owen Jones, for example.
JM looks better in retrospect, but the stench of decay of his party around him in the nineties is rather overwhelming. That is why the voters were so keen on change.
I agree that TM is like GB, but worse intellect and social skills.
Gulags sound like more the sort of fate lined up for Watson right now.
I appreciate that she is in a difficult position given the refusal of the House to vote for anything actually achievable but jeez, are we really going to go to the deadline of our departure date without knowing what the rules are going to be? If you were absolutely focused on achieving the most damage possible from the Brexit decision I really don't know what we would be doing differently. It is quite unforgivable for all concerned.
2. Will the departing indie's lead to the saving of the Labour Party, so killing themselves off?
3. Corbyn, Brexit, antisemitism obscures the fact that the Labour manifesto is absolute bollox and a far greater threat than Brexit might or might not be. Are Creasey, Mann, Watson et al staying on to campaign for McDonnell's pile of pooh? How about forgetting those barmy re-nationalizations and re-open a few libraries instead
Sky's John Sparks says the terror group has lost most of its territory, but its fanatical ideology has not weakened.
By John Sparks, news correspondent, in northern Syria"
https://news.sky.com/story/women-and-children-of-is-living-on-weeds-and-mouldy-bread-in-syria-11646505
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8283198.stm
This argument might be a bit stronger if Watson hadn't already tried everything to get rid of Corbyn in 2016....and failed.
(For good measure, the following year, Watson then also tried and failed to oust Len McCluskey as Unite leader.)
You know somebody else who had a clever idea about hostels for single mothers...
More seriously, I don't think I ever heard of that one. Batshit crazy. Especially the packaging of it.
https://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2019/02/20/britain-is-acting-against-its-own-law-on-isis-bride-shamima-bangladesh-pms-aide
Needs to be taken with a grain of salt, because he thinks she has been deprived of her British citizenship under Section 40(4A) of the Act, which obviously isn't correct, because that applies only to those who are British by naturalisation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8om47yrSZSI
1) Why were our banks so heavily exposed to the American sub-prime market, to the extent that we actually had the worst banking crisis in Europe (albeit as we were not in the Euro we had more financial leeway to mitigate the impact of it than Ireland, Spain or Italy);
2) Why had public sector net debt risen from 30% of GDP in 2000 to nearly 40% in 2007 (at a time when the economy was officially at least growing rapidly) if he was such a good manager of public finances?
EU Is Said to Mull 21-Month Delay If May Can't Get Brexit Done https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-24/eu-is-said-to-mull-idea-of-proposing-brexit-extension-to-2021
All the advantages of the WA, without the small inconvenince of needing a vote. In practice much the same only we are in pretending to be out, rather than out pretending to be in. Dec 20 still at 32 on BFEx.
The lowpoint was Mandelson having a long discussion about Peppa Pig in the middle of a press conference.
The second criticism is valid IMO.
As were house prices, retail sales and the trade deficit.
While home ownership levels, industrial production and the stock market had all peaked around 2000.
I have also learned (courtesy of just now in curiosity googling 'Donkey' and 'Balloon') that there are such things as the two combined - i.e. Donkey Balloons.
Donkey Balloons are apparently "an advanced form of badgers testicles".
So assuming that they are also this in Scotland I suppose Malcolm could be back here very shortly with a sincere and credible assertion that Gordon Brown as PM was complete and utter Donkey Balloons.
Name any poster who lives in Scotland or knows Scotland who do not agree labour is over in Scotland, especially now
Bloody fools.
It will also be extremely damaging to the Tory Party’s standing in the opinion polls. Surely May knows that?
1) He desperately wants Corbyn to sort out the problems and heal the divisions, and so has helpfully spelled out for him exactly what he needs to do in order to manage this.
2) He knows Corbyn can't and/or won't comply, and so is laying cover for a leadership challenge.
3) As in 2), but he intends to bring matters to a head, quickly, so that he can then lead either a mass exodus to TIG, or a separate party altogether.
@TSE seems to have gone mostly for 2) in the thread header. As has @Cyclefree, upthread.
My guess would be 3) with some 1) thrown in as wishful thinking. I suspect he knows he can't beat the cult on social media, although he may believe he's the one person who can, based on the fact that he won the Deputy Leader position under similar OMOV rules and his links to the unions.