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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Next step for Peterborough MP Fiona Onasanya – facing a recall petition which could trigger a by-election

This morning the Peterborough MP Fiona Onasanya, who won the seat for LAB from CON at GE2017, lost her appeal against her conviction and is now facing recall petition. This was a process introduced by Nick Clegg during the coalition and allows constituents to demand that their MP be recalled provided that 10% of the total numbers on the electoral in the constituency demand one and one of a number of conditions is met.

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  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 14,265
    Nick Clegg Rocks!!!!!!! :D
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 5,205
    Lump on the tiggers if they are registered in time
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 14,265

    Lump on the tiggers if they are registered in time

    Tiggers split Lab vote and Con wins.

    Been here before...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 36,953

    Lump on the tiggers if they are registered in time

    Splitters!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 24,554
    There look to be at least six Leave-leaning parties standing in Peterborough, should there be a by-election. Labour should keep the seat comfortably.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 36,953
    GIN1138 said:

    Nick Clegg Rocks!!!!!!! :D

    Cleggasm?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,342
    Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 5,205
    GIN1138 said:

    Lump on the tiggers if they are registered in time

    Tiggers split Lab vote and Con wins.

    Been here before...
    Disagree. Brexit fallout, anti semitism and Vince's inability to inspire cats to sleep. Something new, by election, punish the establishment, first run out for the bouncers. Tigger 40%
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 51,299
    Sean_F said:

    Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.

    Completely shameless, but worth a few quid. So yes, she will.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 16,433

    There look to be at least six Leave-leaning parties standing in Peterborough, should there be a by-election. Labour should keep the seat comfortably.

    Are Labour not part of that six?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 5,205
    Peterborough is Crosby
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 2,609

    Peterborough is Crosby

    This is deluded. The TIGgers are not going to sweep Brexit-y Peterborough or Newport West.

    Two lost deposits is much more likely.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 14,265

    GIN1138 said:

    Lump on the tiggers if they are registered in time

    Tiggers split Lab vote and Con wins.

    Been here before...
    Disagree. Brexit fallout, anti semitism and Vince's inability to inspire cats to sleep. Something new, by election, punish the establishment, first run out for the bouncers. Tigger 40%

    Maybe they'll go for a high profile/celeb candidate? :D
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 2,609
    MaxPB said:

    There look to be at least six Leave-leaning parties standing in Peterborough, should there be a by-election. Labour should keep the seat comfortably.

    Are Labour not part of that six?
    I am sure that the Labour party will have a Brexit-y candidate for Peterborough.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 51,299

    Peterborough is Crosby

    Eh ?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 10,570
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 3,882
    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 1,470
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Lump on the tiggers if they are registered in time

    Tiggers split Lab vote and Con wins.

    Been here before...
    Disagree. Brexit fallout, anti semitism and Vince's inability to inspire cats to sleep. Something new, by election, punish the establishment, first run out for the bouncers. Tigger 40%

    Maybe they'll go for a high profile/celeb candidate? :D
    Is it time for Eddie Izzard to finally win something that is voted on?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 10,570

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 5,205

    Peterborough is Crosby

    This is deluded. The TIGgers are not going to sweep Brexit-y Peterborough or Newport West.

    Two lost deposits is much more likely.
    The by election will either be after Brexit or after whatever way we are leaving is decided. It will not be a Brexit by election, although the nature of our departure might cost the blues 10% or so of remain minded blues
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 3,882
    tlg86 said:

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?
    I don’t know. Contempt of court?

    Also, there’s this:

    As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 14,265

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Lump on the tiggers if they are registered in time

    Tiggers split Lab vote and Con wins.

    Been here before...
    Disagree. Brexit fallout, anti semitism and Vince's inability to inspire cats to sleep. Something new, by election, punish the establishment, first run out for the bouncers. Tigger 40%

    Maybe they'll go for a high profile/celeb candidate? :D
    Is it time for Eddie Izzard to finally win something that is voted on?
    Isn't Eddie committed to Jezza? :D
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 51,299

    tlg86 said:

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?
    I don’t know. Contempt of court?

    Also, there’s this:

    As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.
    Grayling should try and double up !
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 315

    tlg86 said:

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?
    I don’t know. Contempt of court?

    Also, there’s this:

    As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.
    Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 14,740
    edited March 5
    Sean_F said:

    Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.

    Surely she won't get much; only been in the House five minutes.

    Anyone else recall Willie Hamilton, the republican Scottish Labour MP for Fife Central who was replaced as candidate on reaching 70, then realised if he didn't fight an election he'd lose money. So he fought South Hams, a safe Tory seat, now divided between Totnes and West Devon, but because he fought was classed as a defeated MP and picked up some cash.
    To be fair, AIUI, he wasn't by any means a wealthy man.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 27,688
    DougSeal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?
    I don’t know. Contempt of court?

    Also, there’s this:

    As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.
    Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.
    Would it be up to Grayling to pursue or would the courts chase him for the money anyway?
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 1,548
    AC Grayling is a complete tosser, but casually chucking out fake accusations of paedophilia is pretty repulsive. No sympathy.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,342
    tlg86 said:

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?
    He can be made bankrupt, although he may be a man of straw.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 3,862
    DougSeal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?
    I don’t know. Contempt of court?

    Also, there’s this:

    As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.
    Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.
    Well that will be one bankruptcy that nobody can say wasn't anything to do with Brexit.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,342

    DougSeal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?
    I don’t know. Contempt of court?

    Also, there’s this:

    As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.
    Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.
    Would it be up to Grayling to pursue or would the courts chase him for the money anyway?
    It's up to Grayling.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 14,368

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    The Musk gambit, not recommended unless one is a multi billionaire.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 315

    DougSeal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?
    I don’t know. Contempt of court?

    Also, there’s this:

    As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.
    Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.
    Would it be up to Grayling to pursue or would the courts chase him for the money anyway?
    It's up to Grayling. The judgment is effectively a piece of paper proving that North owes him money. There are various enforcement routes to go through before he gets him before the bankruptcy court.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 1,470
    edited March 5
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?
    I don’t know. Contempt of court?

    Also, there’s this:

    As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.
    Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.
    Would it be up to Grayling to pursue or would the courts chase him for the money anyway?
    It's up to Grayling. The judgment is effectively a piece of paper proving that North owes him money. There are various enforcement routes to go through before he gets him before the bankruptcy court.
    Does Grayling have to pay his legal bills whilst chasing Mr North?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,342

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    The Musk gambit, not recommended unless one is a multi billionaire.
    Or you have no assets that are available to creditors.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 315

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?
    I don’t know. Contempt of court?

    Also, there’s this:

    As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.
    Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.
    Would it be up to Grayling to pursue or would the courts chase him for the money anyway?
    It's up to Grayling. The judgment is effectively a piece of paper proving that North owes him money. There are various enforcement routes to go through before he gets him before the bankruptcy court.
    Does Grayling has to pay his legal bills whilst chasing Mr North?
    Probably. Depends on the terms of the engagement (a contract) between Grayling and his solicitors.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,342

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?
    I don’t know. Contempt of court?

    Also, there’s this:

    As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.
    Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.
    Would it be up to Grayling to pursue or would the courts chase him for the money anyway?
    It's up to Grayling. The judgment is effectively a piece of paper proving that North owes him money. There are various enforcement routes to go through before he gets him before the bankruptcy court.
    Does Grayling have to pay his legal bills whilst chasing Mr North?
    Yes, unless he has very generous solicitors.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 17,667
    I would hope that all Tory Party members who condone Islamophobia have already fucked off to EDL/UKIP/BNP
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 33,553
    Scott_P said:
    But the Salade au Chlorine is still on....
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 315
    Thinking about it, with a judgment under his belt showing that the earlier tweet was defamatory, Grayling could claim that the latest blog post by North is part of a "course of conduct" which causes him to suffer alarm, anxiety and/or distress, thus creating scope for an injunction restraining North under the Protection from Harassment Act, or even a report to the police.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 3,882
    In news that will shock nobody, Brexiters just keep lying.

  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 4,211

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    Why do I know the name Pete North? My recollection is that it's from a couple of years ago and he said something very embarrassing about Brexit.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,115
    Islamophobia is a daft term because it conflates two ideas, one of which is abhorrent, and the other of which is essential for free expression in a democracy.

    The former is the practice of discriminating against people based on their religion, which is obviously wrong. The latter is allowing intellectual questioning, satire, and so forth about an idea (which happens to be religious).
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 8,443

    Scott_P said:
    But the Salade au Chlorine is still on....
    Funny that you mention that:



    The reason that Chlorine chicken is dangerous is not the chlorine, it is the substandard hygiene necessitating chlorine:

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 24,554

    Islamophobia is a daft term because it conflates two ideas, one of which is abhorrent, and the other of which is essential for free expression in a democracy.

    The former is the practice of discriminating against people based on their religion, which is obviously wrong. The latter is allowing intellectual questioning, satire, and so forth about an idea (which happens to be religious).

    So you would disapprove of whipping up untrue fears of millions of Muslims being poised to descend on the UK?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 14,368
    Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

    Diesel.
    They wuz going to do it anyway.
    EU-Japan free trade deal.
    Global uncertainty.

    Any more?


  • eekeek Posts: 3,445

    In news that will shock nobody, Brexiters just keep lying.

    Could Journalists please ask for evidence to back up clearly fictional stories...
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 2,340

    Scott_P said:
    But the Salade au Chlorine is still on....
    And Salade au Chlore sounds enticing.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 3,882

    Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

    Diesel.
    They wuz going to do it anyway.
    EU-Japan free trade deal.
    Global uncertainty.

    Any more?


    It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
    It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
  • TrèsDifficileTrèsDifficile Posts: 348

    Islamophobia is a daft term because it conflates two ideas, one of which is abhorrent, and the other of which is essential for free expression in a democracy.

    The former is the practice of discriminating against people based on their religion, which is obviously wrong. The latter is allowing intellectual questioning, satire, and so forth about an idea (which happens to be religious).

    So you would disapprove of whipping up untrue fears of millions of Muslims being poised to descend on the UK?
    I'd certainly consider them to be ascending rather than descending here, if they're on their way from Erdogan's Turkey.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 25,587
    My prediction would be that the recall petition will be successful and Labour will lose the seat at the by-election, but it's difficult to forecast which party will win it.
  • eekeek Posts: 3,445

    Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

    Diesel.
    They wuz going to do it anyway.
    EU-Japan free trade deal.
    Global uncertainty.

    Any more?


    It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
    It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
    Didn't I mention a while back that production of the next generation Juke has been delayed 6 months and I cannot find any evidence of commitment that the next version will be built in Sunderland...
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 7,037
    Sean_F said:

    Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.

    She would need to find ten people in the constituency willing to sign her nomination papers. In the circumstances I hope that she finds that difficult.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 24,686

    Sean_F said:

    Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.

    She would need to find ten people in the constituency willing to sign her nomination papers. In the circumstances I hope that she finds that difficult.
    There must be 10 Russians passing through.....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 33,553
    edited March 5
    Foxy said:

    The reason that Chlorine chicken is dangerous is not the chlorine, it is the substandard hygiene necessitating chlorine:

    Why are US Campylobacteriosis rates fractions of European ones?

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1198743X15010253

    Complaints about US Chicken always focus on Salmonella and not Campylobacter......odd, that....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 21,790
    Sean_F said:

    Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.

    Surely that only applies if she is defeated at a normal election, rather than kicked out of the Commons and her seat vacated for gross misconduct?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,115
    Mr. Divvie, are you suggesting that declining diesel sales and the EU-Japan FTA have had no impact?

    You might argue that the UK (perhaps) leaving the EU is the biggest factor, but pretending the others don't exist or are negligible is wearing blinkers.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 2,380

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    "Brexit thinker"? !! Today's best oxymoron award.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 1,893
    edited March 5
    Foxy said:

    Scott_P said:
    But the Salade au Chlorine is still on....
    Funny that you mention that:

    twitter.com/BpsmithUk/status/1101994462971088896?s=19

    The reason that Chlorine chicken is dangerous is not the chlorine, it is the substandard hygiene necessitating chlorine:

    twitter.com/BpsmithUk/status/1101925348726489088?s=19
    The quality of food here in the US, especially “fresh” meat, fish and vegetables in the supermarkets, is appalling. We can afford to buy a lot of our food from farmers’ markets but even that isn’t particularly good.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 25,111

    Peterborough is Crosby

    This is deluded. The TIGgers are not going to sweep Brexit-y Peterborough or Newport West.

    Two lost deposits is much more likely.
    In First Past the Post, they could win on a very modest vote share.

    Imagine that the LibDems don't stand, but that there is Labour, Conservative, UKIP and the Brexit Party. This means that even if 70% of the electorate made clear their preference for Brexit, TIG could be elected on 30% of the vote.

    Likely?

    No. But perfectly possible. I'd want the LibDems to decide not to stand, and 8-1.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 343

    Sean_F said:

    Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.

    Surely she won't get much; only been in the House five minutes.

    Anyone else recall Willie Hamilton, the republican Scottish Labour MP for Fife Central who was replaced as candidate on reaching 70, then realised if he didn't fight an election he'd lose money. So he fought South Hams, a safe Tory seat, now divided between Totnes and West Devon, but because he fought was classed as a defeated MP and picked up some cash.
    To be fair, AIUI, he wasn't by any means a wealthy man.
    If this is the case then the rules are daft. It would seem sensible to give stepping down MPs over 65 or 67 or whatever the same pay off as defeated MPs. OR ... if there is some sort of retirement-payoff then you should not be able to double-dip by claiming that as well as a defeated MP dividend.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 2,380
    eek said:

    In news that will shock nobody, Brexiters just keep lying.

    Could Journalists please ask for evidence to back up clearly fictional stories...
    It is quite depressing that we have to keep being reminded that the Tories once had a LoTO who is even thicker than Jeremy Corbyn.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 14,740
    eristdoof said:

    Sean_F said:

    Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.

    Surely she won't get much; only been in the House five minutes.

    Anyone else recall Willie Hamilton, the republican Scottish Labour MP for Fife Central who was replaced as candidate on reaching 70, then realised if he didn't fight an election he'd lose money. So he fought South Hams, a safe Tory seat, now divided between Totnes and West Devon, but because he fought was classed as a defeated MP and picked up some cash.
    To be fair, AIUI, he wasn't by any means a wealthy man.
    If this is the case then the rules are daft. It would seem sensible to give stepping down MPs over 65 or 67 or whatever the same pay off as defeated MPs. OR ... if there is some sort of retirement-payoff then you should not be able to double-dip by claiming that as well as a defeated MP dividend.
    Willie Hamilton was a while ago.1987. So the rules may have changed. Otherwise I agree with you.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 43,162
    At the least it may be closer than anyone might have predicted.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 535

    Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

    Diesel.
    They wuz going to do it anyway.
    EU-Japan free trade deal.
    Global uncertainty.

    Any more?


    Climate change.
    The Board wouldn't give me the resources I/we needed.
    Don't blame us - we're Scots.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 27,688

    Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

    Diesel.
    They wuz going to do it anyway.
    EU-Japan free trade deal.
    Global uncertainty.

    Any more?


    It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
    It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
    More nothing to do with Brexit news.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,342
    It warms one's heart when the self-righteous get caught with their trousers down.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,115
    Mr. F, it's a sad day for personkind.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 6,863
    rcs1000 said:

    Peterborough is Crosby

    This is deluded. The TIGgers are not going to sweep Brexit-y Peterborough or Newport West.

    Two lost deposits is much more likely.
    In First Past the Post, they could win on a very modest vote share.

    Imagine that the LibDems don't stand, but that there is Labour, Conservative, UKIP and the Brexit Party. This means that even if 70% of the electorate made clear their preference for Brexit, TIG could be elected on 30% of the vote.

    Likely?

    No. But perfectly possible. I'd want the LibDems to decide not to stand, and 8-1.
    Any by election triggered will occur after Newport West and the Local Elections on 2nd May . TIG will not feature in either of those contests and I suspect that will make it difficult to gain momentum. Already they have largely disappeared from public view and the discussions with the Electoral Commission could well be an indication of panic .
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 43,162
    Sean_F said:

    It warms one's heart when the self-righteous get caught with their trousers down.
    I hate it due to which side I'm on at the time.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 14,740
    Just found a reference; Fiona Onasanya hasn't been an MP for two years so won't get severance pay. Presumably she'll get paid as an MP up to the time the petition is accepted, and that'll be that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 11,406

    Oh dear.

    “Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

    http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

    ‘Thinker’ is perhaps more deserving of your inverted commas.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 11,406

    In news that will shock nobody, Brexiters just keep lying.

    To be fair, it’s also possible that he’s just immensely thick when it comes to figures.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 43,162
    justin124 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Peterborough is Crosby

    This is deluded. The TIGgers are not going to sweep Brexit-y Peterborough or Newport West.

    Two lost deposits is much more likely.
    In First Past the Post, they could win on a very modest vote share.

    Imagine that the LibDems don't stand, but that there is Labour, Conservative, UKIP and the Brexit Party. This means that even if 70% of the electorate made clear their preference for Brexit, TIG could be elected on 30% of the vote.

    Likely?

    No. But perfectly possible. I'd want the LibDems to decide not to stand, and 8-1.
    Any by election triggered will occur after Newport West and the Local Elections on 2nd May . TIG will not feature in either of those contests and I suspect that will make it difficult to gain momentum. Already they have largely disappeared from public view and the discussions with the Electoral Commission could well be an indication of panic .
    Their main function now is to serve as a warning to Corbyn. Don't push us too far or more will join the Tiggers Watson will say.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 25,587

    Peterborough is Crosby

    Are you being ironic? The two places don't have much in common with each other demographically. Crosby has a lot of middle-class professionals, Peterborough doesn't, for instance.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 19,363

    Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

    Diesel.
    They wuz going to do it anyway.
    EU-Japan free trade deal.
    Global uncertainty.

    Any more?


    It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
    It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
    More nothing to do with Brexit news.

    and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,342

    Just found a reference; Fiona Onasanya hasn't been an MP for two years so won't get severance pay. Presumably she'll get paid as an MP up to the time the petition is accepted, and that'll be that.

    By the time we get to a by-election, though, she'll probably have reached two years.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 34,094
    edited March 5
    Explosive packages found at Heathrow, Waterloo and London City Airport

    Counter-terror police are investigating three packages containing explosives found at Heathrow Airport, London City Airport and Waterloo station.

    The "small improvised explosive devices" were found in A4 postal bags, the Metropolitan Police said.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 14,740
    Sean_F said:

    Just found a reference; Fiona Onasanya hasn't been an MP for two years so won't get severance pay. Presumably she'll get paid as an MP up to the time the petition is accepted, and that'll be that.

    By the time we get to a by-election, though, she'll probably have reached two years.
    She'll have to last to 8th, possibly 9th of June, but I think the crucial point is when the seat is declared vacant, ie when the petition is accepted.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 27,688

    Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

    Diesel.
    They wuz going to do it anyway.
    EU-Japan free trade deal.
    Global uncertainty.

    Any more?


    It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
    It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
    More nothing to do with Brexit news.

    and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
    They’re both examples showing the importance of the EU single market to car manufacturing.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 19,363
    edited March 5

    Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

    Diesel.
    They wuz going to do it anyway.
    EU-Japan free trade deal.
    Global uncertainty.

    Any more?


    It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
    It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
    More nothing to do with Brexit news.

    and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
    They’re both examples showing the importance of the EU single market to car manufacturing.
    No theyre simply examples of how Anglo saxon unprotected labour rules are incompatible with the EU. The brits are always first to get shat on when multinats need to make pan European savings.
  • BromBrom Posts: 1,414

    Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

    Diesel.
    They wuz going to do it anyway.
    EU-Japan free trade deal.
    Global uncertainty.

    Any more?


    It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
    It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
    More nothing to do with Brexit news.

    and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
    They’re both examples showing the importance of the EU single market to car manufacturing.
    Definitely shows the EU weren't working in Britain's interest that's for sure.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,342

    Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

    Diesel.
    They wuz going to do it anyway.
    EU-Japan free trade deal.
    Global uncertainty.

    Any more?


    It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
    It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
    More nothing to do with Brexit news.

    and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
    They’re both examples showing the importance of the EU single market to car manufacturing.
    True. The impact of the Single Market can be benign, or it can be malign.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 3,882
    The usual gadflies have turned up to get their excuses in.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 3,862

    Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

    Diesel.
    They wuz going to do it anyway.
    EU-Japan free trade deal.
    Global uncertainty.

    Any more?


    It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
    It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
    More nothing to do with Brexit news.

    and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
    We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 4,806
    Yet another damning letter of resignation from a former close colleague of Corbyn

    How can any sensible Labour member not follow suit and walk away from this toxic mess?

    https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/dear-jeremy-corbyn-richard-horton-resignation-letter-1.481017
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 51,299
    AndyJS said:

    Peterborough is Crosby

    Are you being ironic? The two places don't have much in common with each other demographically. Crosby has a lot of middle-class professionals, Peterborough doesn't, for instance.
    Crosby has a nice sea front !
  • agingjbagingjb Posts: 74
    The analogy between Crosby and Peterborough, if it is intended to be an analogy between the SDP and the TIG, breaks down because there is no Shirley Williams figure, a supporter of the TIG who is a well known former MP. Or is there?
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 9,239
    appears to be calling for Lord Falconer to resign at the end of the piece...

    now that would be unprecedented.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,342
    agingjb said:

    The analogy between Crosby and Peterborough, if it is intended to be an analogy between the SDP and the TIG, breaks down because there is no Shirley Williams figure, a supporter of the TIG who is a well known former MP. Or is there?

    Maybe Tony Blair could stand
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 27,688
    agingjb said:

    The analogy between Crosby and Peterborough, if it is intended to be an analogy between the SDP and the TIG, breaks down because there is no Shirley Williams figure, a supporter of the TIG who is a well known former MP. Or is there?

    Ed Balls could stand as a TIGger?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 24,554
    Scott_P said:
    Is there any real sign yet that a meaningful vote will be lost by less than 150?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 51,299
    Sean_F said:

    agingjb said:

    The analogy between Crosby and Peterborough, if it is intended to be an analogy between the SDP and the TIG, breaks down because there is no Shirley Williams figure, a supporter of the TIG who is a well known former MP. Or is there?

    Maybe Tony Blair could stand
    I think if Farage and Blair both stood in Peterborough, Farage would get more votes.
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