Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
I have only just got in...14 suspended by all accounts in no uncertain terms, no messing about, no ifs, no buts. Good.
While we are hearing Labour leaders office been up to all sorts trying to not suspend people.
Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
Manufacturing is increasingly head towards customised manufacture as increased IT use leads to greater flexibility. Batch sizes of 1 may become a future norm
To run that you need a highly skilled work force and po0licies designed to reduce fixed costs to a minimum.
I don't think that model is viable for the UK. It's an NHS-worshipping aging population with a surprisingly large number of people not in work. Retrofitting a high-skill rapid-retraining geographically-flexible workforce onto that will be like putting porn star tits on Maggie Smith: some people will prefer it but most will find it difficult to cope with.
Co-incidentally I am reading a history of the French Revolution. After casting about for the best (most readable) one, I found Christopher Hibbert’s, published in 1980.
The Brexit parallels are indeed obvious, though sadly we are not quite yet at the stage where the revolution eats itself.
Simon Schama's "Citizens" was very well received when it was written. I like it, but I do find there's a sort of lulling sense about it. (Aka I fall asleep)
I read this at university. I cannot bear Schama’s florid prise style.
Yeah - that's what sends me to sleep I think. Nonetheless there is merit in his work if you can get past that.
Would you do me a great favour and PM me if you do find a really captivating account?
I'm reading Robert Fisk's account of the middle east at the moment. It's a very good book. (And a really ghastly read for humanity)
I was going to desist banging the homosexual drum this evening, BUT... The Graun actually did publish a piece today defending that LGBT education scheme in Birmingham, so kudos to them.
On topic: if Peterborough does go to by-election, it looks to me very much like it's the Tories' seat to lose.
Depends, if it falls after the Commons has voted for a Brexit extension or even EUref2 it would be ideal pickings for Farage's new Brexit Party as a strongly Leave seat
Farage doesn't exactly have a stellar record in by-elections though...
Based on my (very limited) knowledge of the global tariff regime, this sounds rather New Zealand-ish. Not quite unilateral free trade, but not a million miles from it. Mildly encouraging if true.
Farage got 32% in Thanet South in 2015 and UKIP only lost the Heywood and Middleton by election by 600 votes.
If Brexit looks like being revoked the Brexit Party will soon become a focal point of Leaver revolt
The Brexit Party will have to see off UKIP - which for all its newly acquired extremists has the advantage of brand recognition.
Farage will carry the name recognition with him, UKIP are still nowhere near the levels they reached when he led the party and the prospect of no Brexit would enable him to reach for the same voters he won from 2010 to 2015 and add on more furious Tory and Labour Leavers besides
The problem is that if Farage campaigns successfully it might drive votes to UKIP rather than to his new party because the brand linkage is so strong.
Which would still be votes lost from.the main parties
Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
I have only just got in...14 suspended by all accounts in no uncertain terms, no messing about, no ifs, no buts. Good.
While we are hearing Labour leaders office been up to all sorts trying to not suspend people.
And the candidate who was suspended and then came back in and became a candidate again, or what about the hundreds of posts on facebook groups in support of Tories about bombing mosques and such...
Not forgetting Boris remarks and lack of suspension.
I don't want to just insult you but TBH your a complete hypocrite on this, you bang on and on about Labour for political reasons but nothing on the Conservatives from you. You are free to do what you like of course but don't expect me to take your criticisms seriously when they only go one way.
The removal of tariffs also means other countries have less incentive to do trade deals . And UK exporters will end up being priced out of foreign markets .
This looks like the capitalism on steroids so beloved of the Mogg cult .
I was going to desist banging the homosexual drum this evening, BUT... The Graun actually did publish a piece today defending that LGBT education scheme in Birmingham, so kudos to them.
On topic: if Peterborough does go to by-election, it looks to me very much like it's the Tories' seat to lose.
Depends, if it falls after the Commons has voted for a Brexit extension or even EUref2 it would be ideal pickings for Farage's new Brexit Party as a strongly Leave seat
Farage doesn't exactly have a stellar record in by-elections though...
Based on my (very limited) knowledge of the global tariff regime, this sounds rather New Zealand-ish. Not quite unilateral free trade, but not a million miles from it. Mildly encouraging if true.
Farage got 32% in Thanet South in 2015 and UKIP only lost the Heywood and Middleton by election by 600 votes.
If Brexit looks like being revoked the Brexit Party will soon become a focal point of Leaver revolt
The Brexit Party will have to see off UKIP - which for all its newly acquired extremists has the advantage of brand recognition.
Farage will carry the name recognition with him, UKIP are still nowhere near the levels they reached when he led the party and the prospect of no Brexit would enable him to reach for the same voters he won from 2010 to 2015 and add on more furious Tory and Labour Leavers besides
I suspect you underestimate the extent to which voters - including Leave voters - are keen to move on from Brexit. He probably lacks the receptive audience of 2015/2016 when much of his support was based on anti-establishment feelings rather than the EU issue per se. Many are now likely to seek alternative vehicles as a means of venting their displeasure.
You underestimate the anger if Brexit was revoked amongst Leave voters, there is a real chance of an SNP style 2015 surge for a new Farage Party at the expense of the Tories and Labour if that happened, the LDs and TIG certainly would not be benefiting.
Leave voters are only keen to move on from Brexit if Brexit is delivered first
Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
I have only just got in...14 suspended by all accounts in no uncertain terms, no messing about, no ifs, no buts. Good.
While we are hearing Labour leaders office been up to all sorts trying to not suspend people.
And the candidate who was suspended and then came back in and became a candidate again, or what about the hundreds of posts on facebook groups in support of Tories about bombing mosques and such...
Not forgetting Boris remarks and lack of suspension.
I don't want to just insult you but TBH your a complete hypocrite on this, you bang on and on about Labour for political reasons but nothing on the Conservatives from you. You are free to do what you like of course but don't expect me to take your criticisms seriously when they only go one way.
That's weird, I attack the Tories on a daily basis on here...You will be extremely hard pressed to find a positive post I have made about the Maybot ever.
Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
*You're.
I successfully navigated the your you're maze in my latest post though!
Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
I have only just got in...14 suspended by all accounts in no uncertain terms, no messing about, no ifs, no buts. Good.
While we are hearing Labour leaders office been up to all sorts trying to not suspend people.
And the candidate who was suspended and then came back in and became a candidate again, or what about the hundreds of posts on facebook groups in support of Tories about bombing mosques and such...
Not forgetting Boris remarks and lack of suspension.
I don't want to just insult you but TBH your a complete hypocrite on this, you bang on and on about Labour for political reasons but nothing on the Conservatives from you. You are free to do what you like of course but don't expect me to take your criticisms seriously when they only go one way.
That's weird, I attack the Tories on a daily basis on here...You will be extremely hard pressed to find a positive post I have made about the Maybot ever.
What is weird is your obsession with Labour discrimination issues but your complete lack of interest in Conservative ones.
The removal of tariffs also means other countries have less incentive to do trade deals . And UK exporters will end up being priced out of foreign markets .
This looks like the capitalism on steroids so beloved of the Mogg cult .
It looks like what works. Nations like New Zealand have gone from strength to strength removing tariffs and have been able to negotiate trade deals without putting up mammoth tariffs.
When are people going to stop acting like corn laws work?
Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
I have only just got in...14 suspended by all accounts in no uncertain terms, no messing about, no ifs, no buts. Good.
While we are hearing Labour leaders office been up to all sorts trying to not suspend people.
And the candidate who was suspended and then came back in and became a candidate again, or what about the hundreds of posts on facebook groups in support of Tories about bombing mosques and such...
Not forgetting Boris remarks and lack of suspension.
I don't want to just insult you but TBH your a complete hypocrite on this, you bang on and on about Labour for political reasons but nothing on the Conservatives from you. You are free to do what you like of course but don't expect me to take your criticisms seriously when they only go one way.
What Boris remarks? You mean the remarks that were entirely reasonable that got blown up, investigated and cleared?
Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
*You're.
I successfully navigated the your you're maze in my latest post though!
Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
*You're.
I successfully navigated the your you're maze in my latest post though!
You mean the one in which you wrote 'I don't want to just insult you but TBH your a complete hypocrite on this'?
This looks like the capitalism on steroids so beloved of the Mogg cult .
Which gives them an incentive to vote against the deal...
Perhaps it’s a trap to get them to vote against ! But seriously the removal of tariffs calls into question any trade deals because the UK loses its leverage . Why would a country need to do that , its exports move in tariff free and the UKs exports going the other way get shafted .
The problem is much of the general public don’t see the problems because they’ll be duped into thinking it’s good for consumers but won’t see the other side which could cost lots of jobs .
Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
I have only just got in...14 suspended by all accounts in no uncertain terms, no messing about, no ifs, no buts. Good.
While we are hearing Labour leaders office been up to all sorts trying to not suspend people.
And the candidate who was suspended and then came back in and became a candidate again, or what about the hundreds of posts on facebook groups in support of Tories about bombing mosques and such...
Not forgetting Boris remarks and lack of suspension.
I don't want to just insult you but TBH your a complete hypocrite on this, you bang on and on about Labour for political reasons but nothing on the Conservatives from you. You are free to do what you like of course but don't expect me to take your criticisms seriously when they only go one way.
That's weird, I attack the Tories on a daily basis on here...You will be extremely hard pressed to find a positive post I have made about the Maybot ever.
What is weird is your obsession with Labour discrimination issues but your complete lack of interest in Conservative ones.
I was going to desist banging the homosexual drum this evening, BUT... The Graun actually did publish a piece today defending that LGBT education scheme in Birmingham, so kudos to them.
On topic: if Peterborough does go to by-election, it looks to me very much like it's the Tories' seat to lose.
Depends, if it falls after the Commons has voted for a Brexit extension or even EUref2 it would be ideal pickings for Farage's new Brexit Party as a strongly Leave seat
Farage doesn't exactly have a stellar record in by-elections though...
Based on my (very limited) knowledge of the global tariff regime, this sounds rather New Zealand-ish. Not quite unilateral free trade, but not a million miles from it. Mildly encouraging if true.
Farage got 32% in Thanet South in 2015 and UKIP only lost the Heywood and Middleton by election by 600 votes.
If Brexit looks like being revoked the Brexit Party will soon become a focal point of Leaver revolt
The Brexit Party will have to see off UKIP - which for all its newly acquired extremists has the advantage of brand recognition.
Farage will carry the name recognition with him, UKIP are still nowhere near the levels they reached when he led the party and the prospect of no Brexit would enable him to reach for the same voters he won from 2010 to 2015 and add on more furious Tory and Labour Leavers besides
I suspect you underestimate the extent to which voters - including Leave voters - are keen to move on from Brexit. He probably lacks the receptive audience of 2015/2016 when much of his support was based on anti-establishment feelings rather than the EU issue per se. Many are now likely to seek alternative vehicles as a means of venting their displeasure.
You underestimate the anger if Brexit was revoked amongst Leave voters, there is a real chance of an SNP style 2015 surge for a new Farage Party at the expense of the Tories and Labour if that happened, the LDs and TIG certainly would not be benefiting.
Leave voters are only keen to move on from Brexit if Brexit is delivered first
That may apply to those who had supported UKIP for EU related reasons but will not extend to the many who were voting UKIP a few years back as a protest vote - in paricular as an alternative to the LibDems who had often benefitted in the same way prior to entering the Coalition. Time will tell!
Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
*You're.
I successfully navigated the your you're maze in my latest post though!
You mean the one in which you wrote 'I don't want to just insult you but TBH your a complete hypocrite on this'?
Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
*You're.
I successfully navigated the your you're maze in my latest post though!
Your singing you're own praises their.
My glorious rain as spelling king will last forever...
The removal of tariffs also means other countries have less incentive to do trade deals . And UK exporters will end up being priced out of foreign markets .
This looks like the capitalism on steroids so beloved of the Mogg cult .
The theory is aka Minford, that if you reduce your input costs to business (we do not produce everything) then your exports look after themselves.
A 2% odd tariff is meaningless in terms of protectionism but is just a cost plus the paperowrk cost to business.
Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
*You're.
I successfully navigated the your you're maze in my latest post though!
You mean the one in which you wrote 'I don't want to just insult you but TBH your a complete hypocrite on this'?
Have we decided to abandon you're on PB?
Looks like it: using grammar correctly is merely a bourgeois affectation.
Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
*You're.
I successfully navigated the your you're maze in my latest post though!
Your singing you're own praises their.
My glorious rain as spelling king will last forever...
The removal of tariffs also means other countries have less incentive to do trade deals . And UK exporters will end up being priced out of foreign markets .
This looks like the capitalism on steroids so beloved of the Mogg cult .
The theory is aka Minford, that if you reduce your input costs to business (we do not produce everything) then your exports look after themselves.
A 2% odd tariff is meaningless in terms of protectionism but is just a cost plus the paperowrk cost to business.
Indeed. Tariffs don't work.
The only time a tariff will make a difference is if they are a significant burden. And guess what, then they're a significant burden.
Given your not a Tory as we've discussed before and you are usually all over racism stories I thought you would have been all over the Tory racism story today...
Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
I have only just got in...14 suspended by all accounts in no uncertain terms, no messing about, no ifs, no buts. Good.
While we are hearing Labour leaders office been up to all sorts trying to not suspend people.
And the candidate who was suspended and then came back in and became a candidate again, or what about the hundreds of posts on facebook groups in support of Tories about bombing mosques and such...
Not forgetting Boris remarks and lack of suspension.
I don't want to just insult you but TBH your a complete hypocrite on this, you bang on and on about Labour for political reasons but nothing on the Conservatives from you. You are free to do what you like of course but don't expect me to take your criticisms seriously when they only go one way.
What Boris remarks? You mean the remarks that were entirely reasonable that got blown up, investigated and cleared?
Just ignore him. He clearly doesn’t think anti semitism is serious. Grown up parties deal with these things - Labour wallows in it. A one man campaign on here trying to equivocate about Labours issues whilst spreading fake news about other parties might seem like a reasonable way to spend your time to you. The more you point at others the more it looks like you cannot or will not take seriously the issues in Labour. Every post makes it look like you care even less about anti semitism in Labour and what it means. Meanwhile in the real world MPs are leaving the party because of it
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
This looks like the capitalism on steroids so beloved of the Mogg cult .
Which gives them an incentive to vote against the deal...
Perhaps it’s a trap to get them to vote against ! But seriously the removal of tariffs calls into question any trade deals because the UK loses its leverage . Why would a country need to do that , its exports move in tariff free and the UKs exports going the other way get shafted .
The problem is much of the general public don’t see the problems because they’ll be duped into thinking it’s good for consumers but won’t see the other side which could cost lots of jobs .
Because trade deals don't just deal with tariffs. They deal with other burdens like NTBs, equivalence, paperwork and more. And the 10% of tariffs that still apply will be dealt with too.
Just sent a text to a friend about something I'd seen at the local Coop. My iPhone tried to autocomplete it to "Cooper-Letwin Amendment". Ever get the feeling this has all gone a bit far?
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
More prominent Conservative Muslims, like Sajid Javid, Sayeed Kamal, and Nusrat Ghani, reject her allegations.
Last time I was in Belfast I think I doubled the number of Muslims in Ireland.
The natives kept on staring at me.
I don't think they were paying attention to my Louis Vuitton loafers.
The Royal Statistical Society conference is in Belfast in September. I was thinking of staying at the Europa Hotel. My life is weird...
I can imagine the marketing emails.
“On the balance of probabilities, our conference will take place on 18-19 September”
There's a pub quiz and a dinner. Not on the same night, obvs.
The networking is amazing. At the height of the Afghan occupation I was speaking to a Colonel who'd just come back and the Civil Servant who was trying to do a census in a country where women are not allowed to contact people. There have been lectures on domestic violence and how to develop a checklist for A&E staff to detect domestic abuse. Battlefield statistics, surgical statistics, epidemiologists in Ebola hot zones, lepers in India. I've met [redacted because of namedropping] Great fun...
My favourite networking story is from a dinner at Pratt’s. My father was sitting between a senior British soldier and an Irish peer with republican leanings (this was shortkyvafter the GFA).
Over the course of dinner they figured out that they had each - literally - had the other in their sights during the Troubles but couldn’t take the shot for some reason
Physical force republicanism to the House of Lords is a hell of a journey.
I think he was only an Irish peer so didn’t get a seat in the Lords, but Pratt’s is explicitly designed to be somewhere you never know who you’ll sit next to at dinner
I was going to desist banging the homosexual drum this evening, BUT... The Graun actually did publish a piece today defending that LGBT education scheme in Birmingham, so kudos to them.
On topic: if Peterborough does go to by-election, it looks to me very much like it's the Tories' seat to lose.
Depends, if it falls after the Commons has voted for a Brexit extension or even EUref2 it would be ideal pickings for Farage's new Brexit Party as a strongly Leave seat
Farage doesn't exactly have a stellar record in by-elections though...
Based on my (very limited) knowledge of the global tariff regime, this sounds rather New Zealand-ish. Not quite unilateral free trade, but not a million miles from it. Mildly encouraging if true.
Farage got 32% in Thanet South in 2015 and UKIP only lost the Heywood and Middleton by election by 600 votes.
If Brexit looks like being revoked the Brexit Party will soon become a focal point of Leaver revolt
The Brexit Party will have to see off UKIP - which for all its newly acquired extremists has the advantage of brand recognition.
Farage will carry the name recognition with him, UKIP are still nowhere near the levels they reached when he led the party and the prospect of no Brexit would enable him to reach for the same voters he won from 2010 to 2015 and add on more furious Tory and Labour Leavers besides
I suspect yure.
You underestimate td TIG certainly would not be benefiting.
Leave voters are only keen to move on from Brexit if Brexit is delivered first
That may apply to those who had supported UKIP for EU related reasons but will not extend to the many who were voting UKIP a few years back as a protest vote - in paricular as an alternative to the LibDems who had often benefitted in the same way prior to entering the Coalition. Time will tell!
17 million people voted Leave, almost 4 times the 4.3 million who voted UKIP at the 2014 European elections or the 3.8 million who voted UKIP at the 2015 general election, if Brexit were to be revoked and that Leave vote reversed Farage's party and UKIP would see a protest vote from betrayed Leavers which would dwarf the 2010 to 2015 one
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
Just because she says it doesn't make it right. She also equates legitimate criticism of Islam [and extreme Islam or cultural issues] as Islamophobia.
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
More prominent Conservative Muslims, like Sajid Javid, Sayeed Kamal, and Nusrat Ghani, reject her allegations.
They may do, but the evidence is there. Just as a few obscure Labour activists are tweeting anti-Semitic tropes, so a few equivalents in the Tory backwaters approvingly retweet Tommy R.
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
There may well be issues with a dislike of Muslims within some within the Tory party and those who behave badly towards Muslim Tory MPs should be disciplined. There should be no argument about that. The last thing the Tories should do is ignore small problems and watch them become big ones, as Labour have done.
Warsi is, however, not entirely reliable on this issue. Both while she was a Minister and increasingly since being dismissed she has severely criticised those like Saira Khan who have tried to do much to stop Islamist extremism and speak up for liberal Muslims and has associated herself with some very dubious extremist Muslim groups who express views which ought to be abhorrent to any decent Tory, any decent Labour person, frankly, any decent person. If she wants to criticise hatred against Muslims and be taken seriously, she should not associate herself with outfits like MEND and Interpal who preach hatred against people who are not Muslims.
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
More prominent Conservative Muslims, like Sajid Javid, Sayeed Kamal, and Nusrat Ghani, reject her allegations.
They may do, but the evidence is there. Just as a few obscure Labour activists are tweeting anti-Semitic tropes, so a few equivalents in the Tory backwaters approvingly retweet Tommy R.
You'd really have thought that the much larger, better organised, more tech-savvy, better motivated legion of Corbyn fans on social media would be doing a better job of highlighting this. Maybe they're all too busy?
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
I commented Boris was in her sights but of course others are and they must be dealt with
Just sent a text to a friend about something I'd seen at the local Coop. My iPhone tried to autocomplete it to "Cooper-Letwin Amendment". Ever get the feeling this has all gone a bit far?
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
There may well be issues with a dislike of Muslims within some within the Tory party and those who behave badly towards Muslim Tory MPs should be disciplined. There should be no argument about that. The last thing the Tories should do is ignore small problems and watch them become big ones, as Labour have done.
Warsi is, however, not entirely reliable on this issue. Both while she was a Minister and increasingly since being dismissed she has severely criticised those like Saira Khan who have tried to do much to stop Islamist extremism and speak up for liberal Muslims and has associated herself with some very dubious extremist Muslim groups who express views which ought to be abhorrent to any decent Tory, any decent Labour person, frankly, any decent person. If she wants to criticise hatred against Muslims and be taken seriously, she should not associate herself with outfits like MEND and Interpal who preach hatred against people who are not Muslims.
Precisely. When she chooses to be on the side of MEND and associate with people happy to be with Cage but opposes the Commissioner for Counter Extremism then she should look at the mirror when wondering where the problem is.
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
There may well be issues with a dislike of Muslims within some within the Tory party and those who behave badly towards Muslim Tory MPs should be disciplined. There should be no argument about that. The last thing the Tories should do is ignore small problems and watch them become big ones, as Labour have done.
Warsi is, however, not entirely reliable on this issue. Both while she was a Minister and increasingly since being dismissed she has severely criticised those like Saira Khan who have tried to do much to stop Islamist extremism and speak up for liberal Muslims and has associated herself with some very dubious extremist Muslim groups who express views which ought to be abhorrent to any decent Tory, any decent Labour person, frankly, any decent person. If she wants to criticise hatred against Muslims and be taken seriously, she should not associate herself with outfits like MEND and Interpal who preach hatred against people who are not Muslims.
Yes, I certainly wouldn't want to identify with everything Warsi stands for. But I think she is right to say that Islamophobia exists in the Tory Party. Personally, I think both major parties are increasingly attractive to extremists, and frankly, as currently they're both led, neither is now fit to govern. The emergence of TIG does for the first time give me a little hope that there may soon be a party I could conceivably vote for. I'm still some way from optimism, though.
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
I commented Boris was in her sights but of course others are and they must be dealt with
I was going to desist banging the homosexual drum this evening, BUT... The Graun actually did publish a piece today defending that LGBT education scheme in Birmingham, so kudos to them.
On topic: if Peterborough does go to by-election, it looks to me very much like it's the Tories' seat to lose.
Farage doesn't exactly have a stellar record in by-elections though...
Based on my (very limited) knowledge of the global tariff regime, this sounds rather New Zealand-ish. Not quite unilateral free trade, but not a million miles from it. Mildly encouraging if true.
Farage got 32% in Thanet South in 2015 and UKIP only lost the Heywood and Middleton by election by 600 votes.
If Brexit looks like being revoked the Brexit Party will soon become a focal point of Leaver revolt
The Brexit Party will have to see off UKIP - which for all its newly acquired extremists has the advantage of brand recognition.
Farage will carry the name recognition with him, UKIP are still nowhere near the levels they reached when he led the party and the prospect of no Brexit would enable him to reach for the same voters he won from 2010 to 2015 and add on more furious Tory and Labour Leavers besides
I suspect yure.
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17 million people voted Leave, almost 4 times the 4.3 million who voted UKIP at the 2014 European elections or the 3.8 million who voted UKIP at the 2015 general election, if Brexit were to be revoked and that Leave vote reversed Farage's party and UKIP would see a protest vote from betrayed Leavers which would dwarf the 2010 to 2015 one
Indeed so - but people voted in the Referendum on both sides because they were exhorted to do so over an extended campaign period of several months. Many voted without having strong feelings on the issue one way or the other - myself included - and a considerable number were clearly very uncertain about an issue which to them was highly technical. Most people were somewhere in the middle - and in the end came down on one side or the other . I suspect that relatively few really felt they understood the issues at stake, and whilst a minority will doubtless be up in arms the majority will be very keen to move on.
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
More prominent Conservative Muslims, like Sajid Javid, Sayeed Kamal, and Nusrat Ghani, reject her allegations.
They may do, but the evidence is there. Just as a few obscure Labour activists are tweeting anti-Semitic tropes, so a few equivalents in the Tory backwaters approvingly retweet Tommy R.
You'd really have thought that the much larger, better organised, more tech-savvy, better motivated legion of Corbyn fans on social media would be doing a better job of highlighting this. Maybe they're all too busy?
They won't be turning their attention to the Tories until they've rooted out all the Blairites - Tom Watson, in particular.
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
More prominent Conservative Muslims, like Sajid Javid, Sayeed Kamal, and Nusrat Ghani, reject her allegations.
They may do, but the evidence is there. Just as a few obscure Labour activists are tweeting anti-Semitic tropes, so a few equivalents in the Tory backwaters approvingly retweet Tommy R.
You'd really have thought that the much larger, better organised, more tech-savvy, better motivated legion of Corbyn fans on social media would be doing a better job of highlighting this. Maybe they're all too busy?
They won't be turning their attention to the Tories until they've rooted out all the Blairites - Tom Watson, in particular.
Last time I was in Belfast I think I doubled the number of Muslims in Ireland.
The natives kept on staring at me.
I don't think they were paying attention to my Louis Vuitton loafers.
The Royal Statistical Society conference is in Belfast in September. I was thinking of staying at the Europa Hotel. My life is weird...
I can imagine the marketing emails.
“On the balance of probabilities, our conference will take place on 18-19 September”
There's a pub quiz and a dinner. Not on the same night, obvs.
The networking is amazing. At the height of the Afghan occupation I was speaking to a Colonel who'd just come back and the Civil Servant who was trying to do a census in a country where women are not allowed to contact people. There have been lectures on domestic violence and how to develop a checklist for A&E staff to detect domestic abuse. Battlefield statistics, surgical statistics, epidemiologists in Ebola hot zones, lepers in India. I've met [redacted because of namedropping] Great fun...
My favourite networking story is from a dinner at Pratt’s. My father was sitting between a senior British soldier and an Irish peer with republican leanings (this was shortkyvafter the GFA).
Over the course of dinner they figured out that they had each - literally - had the other in their sights during the Troubles but couldn’t take the shot for some reason
Your father had a Provo AND a Rupert in his sights? Some man yer da!
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
More prominent Conservative Muslims, like Sajid Javid, Sayeed Kamal, and Nusrat Ghani, reject her allegations.
They may do, but the evidence is there. Just as a few obscure Labour activists are tweeting anti-Semitic tropes, so a few equivalents in the Tory backwaters approvingly retweet Tommy R.
You'd really have thought that the much larger, better organised, more tech-savvy, better motivated legion of Corbyn fans on social media would be doing a better job of highlighting this. Maybe they're all too busy?
They won't be turning their attention to the Tories until they've rooted out all the Blairites - Tom Watson, in particular.
MPs decides to take it upon themselves to frustrate the votes of 17m people.
I don't agree with any violence towards MPs, but the reaction shouldn't come as too much of a surprise.
Additionally calling some of the ones who work on behalf of their masters in Brussels traitors isn't a crime, it's pointing out the obvious.
This is a grossly irresponsible position to take.
Not really. What you're suggesting is that the people should have no reaction when MPs conspire to subvert democracy, they should just shut up and accept it, do as they are told by their masters.
Im afraid I don’t accept your framing of the situation, indeed I find it offensive.
Of course you don't accept it, but I suppose you're quite happy with a life of subservience, whether to MPs or the EU.
What you find offensive is precisely the refusal of so many of us to be subservient to your fascistic conception of "the will of the people".
Not at all, I have no issue with the remain marches and protests. That is your right. The elected representatives don't have that right. They have been told what to do and many of them are now refusing to carry it out.
1) Elected representatives have every right to act within their competencies however they see fit and are answerable only to their constituents at an election. The referendum binds no-one legally or morally. No one has the right to break the law. The referendum was an instruction to the executive, who have failed to carry it out with any competence, not the legislature. As the famous eaflet said “The Government will...” - it didn’t and couldn’t bind Parliament.
2) “Refusing to carry it out” appears to mean that those who voted for Artlce 50 and also the Withdrawal Agreement. That is wholly in keeping with the referendum.
MPs answer to their constituents at elections. Any suggestion that it is in any way legitimate for them to be swayed by violence or threads thereof by individuals is the exact opposite of democracy.
Bit odd that Max didn't respond to that. A cynic (moi?) might suggest that he'd received a thorough hiding in that exchange.
All the "will of the people" types are really doing, of course, is seeking to disenfranchise the 48%.
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
Just because she says it doesn't make it right. She also equates legitimate criticism of Islam [and extreme Islam or cultural issues] as Islamophobia.
How in the name of all that is holy is a Labour life peer and former Labour cabiner minister possibly being described as "independent" with regards to an investigation into the Labour party? What, indeed, is an "independent friend" to begin with?
He doesn't so much have a conflict of interest as an entire sequence of military campaigns of them.
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
There may well be issues with a dislike of Muslims within some within the Tory party and those who behave badly towards Muslim Tory MPs should be disciplined. There should be no argument about that. The last thing the Tories should do is ignore small problems and watch them become big ones, as Labour have done.
Warsi is, however, not entirely reliable on this issue. Both while she was a Minister and increasingly since being dismissed she has severely criticised those like Saira Khan who have tried to do much to stop Islamist extremism and speak up for liberal Muslims and has associated herself with some very dubious extremist Muslim groups who express views which ought to be abhorrent to any decent Tory, any decent Labour person, frankly, any decent person. If she wants to criticise hatred against Muslims and be taken seriously, she should not associate herself with outfits like MEND and Interpal who preach hatred against people who are not Muslims.
Tories might have a islamophobic problem but labour have one also in it's mass muslim vote that is sending some parts of the party backwards in policy.
Shabana Mahmood under fire for comments on LGBT lessons in schools
Wasn't someone claiming yesterday that the London property market was a disaster ?
' London’s skyline continues to head upwards, with a record 76 tall buildings due to be completed this year, a three-fold increase from 2018.
The number of tall towers – more than 20 storeys high – planned or under construction has also hit a new record of 541, up from 510 in 2017, according to the latest research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA). '
Last time I was in Belfast I think I doubled the number of Muslims in Ireland.
The natives kept on staring at me.
I don't think they were paying attention to my Louis Vuitton loafers.
The Royal Statistical Society conference is in Belfast in September. I was thinking of staying at the Europa Hotel. My life is weird...
I can imagine the marketing emails.
“On the balance of probabilities, our conference will take place on 18-19 September”
There's a pub quiz and a dinner. Not on the same night, obvs.
The networking is amazing. At the height of the Afghan occupation I was speaking to a Colonel who'd just come back and the Civil Servant who was trying to do a census in a country where women are not allowed to contact people. There have been lectures on domestic violence and how to develop a checklist for A&E staff to detect domestic abuse. Battlefield statistics, surgical statistics, epidemiologists in Ebola hot zones, lepers in India. I've met [redacted because of namedropping] Great fun...
My favourite networking story is from a dinner at Pratt’s. My father was sitting between a senior British soldier and an Irish peer with republican leanings (this was shortkyvafter the GFA).
Over the course of dinner they figured out that they had each - literally - had the other in their sights during the Troubles but couldn’t take the shot for some reason
Your father had a Provo AND a Rupert in his sights? Some man yer da!
Only over dinner - it was the other two who’d been eyeing each other up. (You’ll be pleased to know they compromised on whisky)
Wasn't someone claiming yesterday that the London property market was a disaster ?
' London’s skyline continues to head upwards, with a record 76 tall buildings due to be completed this year, a three-fold increase from 2018.
The number of tall towers – more than 20 storeys high – planned or under construction has also hit a new record of 541, up from 510 in 2017, according to the latest research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA). '
Wasn't someone claiming yesterday that the London property market was a disaster ?
' London’s skyline continues to head upwards, with a record 76 tall buildings due to be completed this year, a three-fold increase from 2018.
The number of tall towers – more than 20 storeys high – planned or under construction has also hit a new record of 541, up from 510 in 2017, according to the latest research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA). '
Last time I was in Belfast I think I doubled the number of Muslims in Ireland.
The natives kept on staring at me.
I don't think they were paying attention to my Louis Vuitton loafers.
The Royal Statistical Society conference is in Belfast in September. I was thinking of staying at the Europa Hotel. My life is weird...
I can imagine the marketing emails.
“On the balance of probabilities, our conference will take place on 18-19 September”
There's a pub quiz and a dinner. Not on the same night, obvs.
The networking is amazing. At the height of the Afghan occupation I was speaking to a Colonel who'd just come back and the Civil Servant who was trying to do a census in a country where women are not allowed to contact people. There have been lectures on domestic violence and how to develop a checklist for A&E staff to detect domestic abuse. Battlefield statistics, surgical statistics, epidemiologists in Ebola hot zones, lepers in India. I've met [redacted because of namedropping] Great fun...
My favourite networking story is from a dinner at Pratt’s. My father was sitting between a senior British soldier and an Irish peer with republican leanings (this was shortkyvafter the GFA).
Over the course of dinner they figured out that they had each - literally - had the other in their sights during the Troubles but couldn’t take the shot for some reason
Your father had a Provo AND a Rupert in his sights? Some man yer da!
Only over dinner - it was the other two who’d been eyeing each other up. (You’ll be pleased to know they compromised on whisky)
Did they discovery any common ancestry with Brian Boru?
Last time I was in Belfast I think I doubled the number of Muslims in Ireland.
The natives kept on staring at me.
I don't think they were paying attention to my Louis Vuitton loafers.
The Royal Statistical Society conference is in Belfast in September. I was thinking of staying at the Europa Hotel. My life is weird...
I can imagine the marketing emails.
“On the balance of probabilities, our conference will take place on 18-19 September”
There's a pub quiz and a dinner. Not on the same night, obvs.
The networking is amazing. At the height of the Afghan occupation I was speaking to a Colonel who'd just come back and the Civil Servant who was trying to do a census in a country where women are not allowed to contact people. There have been lectures on domestic violence and how to develop a checklist for A&E staff to detect domestic abuse. Battlefield statistics, surgical statistics, epidemiologists in Ebola hot zones, lepers in India. I've met [redacted because of namedropping] Great fun...
My favourite networking story is from a dinner at Pratt’s. My father was sitting between a senior British soldier and an Irish peer with republican leanings (this was shortkyvafter the GFA).
Over the course of dinner they figured out that they had each - literally - had the other in their sights during the Troubles but couldn’t take the shot for some reason
Your father had a Provo AND a Rupert in his sights? Some man yer da!
Only over dinner - it was the other two who’d been eyeing each other up. (You’ll be pleased to know they compromised on whisky)
Shame, I was picturing your dad as some kind of soldier of fortune gone rogue taking feckers out all over the shop.
Just sent a text to a friend about something I'd seen at the local Coop. My iPhone tried to autocomplete it to "Cooper-Letwin Amendment". Ever get the feeling this has all gone a bit far?
MPs decides to take it upon themselves to frustrate the votes of 17m people.
I don't agree with any violence towards MPs, but the reaction shouldn't come as too much of a surprise.
Additionally calling some of the ones who work on behalf of their masters in Brussels traitors isn't a crime, it's pointing out the obvious.
This is a grossly irresponsible position to take.
Not really. What you're suggesting is that the people should have no reaction when MPs conspire to subvert democracy, they should just shut up and accept it, do as they are told by their masters.
Wasn't someone claiming yesterday that the London property market was a disaster ?
' London’s skyline continues to head upwards, with a record 76 tall buildings due to be completed this year, a three-fold increase from 2018.
The number of tall towers – more than 20 storeys high – planned or under construction has also hit a new record of 541, up from 510 in 2017, according to the latest research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA). '
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
I commented Boris was in her sights but of course others are and they must be dealt with
It is not as though the Tories aren’t well practiced in denialism.... the police numbers/stabbings thing being only the most recent example.
MPs decides to take it upon themselves to frustrate the votes of 17m people.
I don't agree with any violence towards MPs, but the reaction shouldn't come as too much of a surprise.
Additionally calling some of the ones who work on behalf of their masters in Brussels traitors isn't a crime, it's pointing out the obvious.
This is a grossly irresponsible position to take.
Not really. What you're suggesting is that the people should have no reaction when MPs conspire to subvert democracy, they should just shut up and accept it, do as they are told by their masters.
Personally, I think your claim that the only alternatives are "shut up and accept it, do as [you are] told" or to react with violence are a grossly false dichotomy and a horrible position to take.
To be fair to 'TheJezziah' I think everyone's favourite Tory, BigG, was being a little disingenuous when, down-thread, he characterised the Baronness's intervention as being simply about Boris. She has, in fact, claimed that the Tory Party is institutionally Islamophobic - and that TMay has been turning a blind-eye to that. The evidence of a parallel is there.
More prominent Conservative Muslims, like Sajid Javid, Sayeed Kamal, and Nusrat Ghani, reject her allegations.
They may do, but the evidence is there. Just as a few obscure Labour activists are tweeting anti-Semitic tropes, so a few equivalents in the Tory backwaters approvingly retweet Tommy R.
You'd really have thought that the much larger, better organised, more tech-savvy, better motivated legion of Corbyn fans on social media would be doing a better job of highlighting this. Maybe they're all too busy?
They won't be turning their attention to the Tories until they've rooted out all the Blairites - Tom Watson, in particular.
Tom Watson was a Brownite - no Blairite.
Yes, I clearly need an irony emoji.
The Jezzuits don't recognise the difference.
As it happens they have buried the hatchet and are working together to Save Labour.
Got the third email from TIG this evening, with news of their meeting with the Electoral Commission. They say they have discussed forming a political party but aren't going to make a decision until after the events they are planning around the country.
They attach their "roadmap", saying they plan to change politics and will be seeking views through a new website and at their launch events.
Last time I was in Belfast I think I doubled the number of Muslims in Ireland.
The natives kept on staring at me.
I don't think they were paying attention to my Louis Vuitton loafers.
The Royal Statistical Society conference is in Belfast in September. I was thinking of staying at the Europa Hotel. My life is weird...
I can imagine the marketing emails.
“On the balance of probabilities, our conference will take place on 18-19 September”
There's a pub quiz and a dinner. Not on the same night, obvs.
The networking is amazing. At the height of the Afghan occupation I was speaking to a Colonel who'd just come back and the Civil Servant who was trying to do a census in a country where women are not allowed to contact people. There have been lectures on domestic violence and how to develop a checklist for A&E staff to detect domestic abuse. Battlefield statistics, surgical statistics, epidemiologists in Ebola hot zones, lepers in India. I've met [redacted because of namedropping] Great fun...
My favourite networking story is from a dinner at Pratt’s. My father was sitting between a senior British soldier and an Irish peer with republican leanings (this was shortkyvafter the GFA).
Over the course of dinner they figured out that they had each - literally - had the other in their sights during the Troubles but couldn’t take the shot for some reason
Your father had a Provo AND a Rupert in his sights? Some man yer da!
Only over dinner - it was the other two who’d been eyeing each other up. (You’ll be pleased to know they compromised on whisky)
How so? Did they agree that one wouldn't have Glenfiddich and the other wouldn't touch Jameson's the solution was Jack Daniels?
Just looking at the numbers for or against no deal next week in the event Mays deal doesn’t get through .
The Spelman Dromey amendement passed 318 to 310 to rule out no deal .
5 Labour MPs voted against that . It’s hard to see more Labour MPs voting for no deal .
On the government side if May whips to not rule out no deal she’s likely to see a host of resignations which suggests the vote against no deal should clearly win . Also several Scottish Tory MPs have said they won’t back no deal as they fear it would embolden the SNPs drive for another Indy vote .
I can’t see May whipping to rule out no deal so a free vote would seem the safest option . That’s more likely to keep her government intact .
The big question how does May vote herself ? That could end up being very interesting .
Wasn't someone claiming yesterday that the London property market was a disaster ?
' London’s skyline continues to head upwards, with a record 76 tall buildings due to be completed this year, a three-fold increase from 2018.
The number of tall towers – more than 20 storeys high – planned or under construction has also hit a new record of 541, up from 510 in 2017, according to the latest research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA). '
Too late for what? His and Watson's efforts, although not in tandem, will prevent further defections of MPs at least. Yes, there are other effects, not least Jewish Labour, but I think we know what the focus is for now
I was going to desist banging the homosexual drum this evening, BUT... The Graun actually did publish a piece today defending that LGBT education scheme in Birmingham, so kudos to them.
On topic: if Peterborough does go to by-election, it looks to me very much like it's the Tories' seat to lose.
Farage doesn't exactly have a stellar record in by-elections though...
Based on my (very limited) knowledge of the global tariff regime, this sounds rather New Zealand-ish. Not quite unilateral free trade, but not a million miles from it. Mildly encouraging if true.
Farage got 32% in Thanet South in 2015 and UKIP only lost the Heywood and Middleton by election by 600 votes.
If Brexit looks like being revoked the Brexit Party will soon become a focal point of Leaver revolt
The Brexit Party will have to see off UKIP - which for all its newly acquired extremists has the advantage of brand recognition.
Farage will cares
I suspect yure.
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17 million people voted Leave, almost 4 times the 4.3 million who voted UKIP at the 2014 European elections or the 3.8 million who voted UKIP at the 2015 general election, if Brexit were to be revoked and that Leave vote reversed Farage's party and UKIP would see a protest vote from betrayed Leavers which would dwarf the 2010 to 2015 one
Indeed so - but people voted in the Referendum on both sides because they were exhorted to do so over an extended campaign period of several months. Many voted without having strong feelings on the issue one way or the other - myself included - and a considerable number were clearly very uncertain about an issue which to them was highly technical. Most people were somewhere in the middle - and in the end came down on one side or the other . I suspect that relatively few really felt they understood the issues at stake, and whilst a minority will doubtless be up in arms the majority will be very keen to move on.
A minority could be enough for Brexit Party/UKIP to win under FPTP, even 25% from angry Leavers could give them the balance of power in a hung parliament if Brexit were revoked
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Strangely for someone who is usually such a valiant fighter against discrimination instead nothing much. I don't want to be cynical so I'll just assume you'll be posting lots about it soon.
While we are hearing Labour leaders office been up to all sorts trying to not suspend people.
Would you do me a great favour and PM me if you do find a really captivating account?
I'm reading Robert Fisk's account of the middle east at the moment. It's a very good book. (And a really ghastly read for humanity)
Not forgetting Boris remarks and lack of suspension.
I don't want to just insult you but TBH your a complete hypocrite on this, you bang on and on about Labour for political reasons but nothing on the Conservatives from you. You are free to do what you like of course but don't expect me to take your criticisms seriously when they only go one way.
This looks like the capitalism on steroids so beloved of the Mogg cult .
Leave voters are only keen to move on from Brexit if Brexit is delivered first
When are people going to stop acting like corn laws work?
The problem is much of the general public don’t see the problems because they’ll be duped into thinking it’s good for consumers but won’t see the other side which could cost lots of jobs .
Edit: Off to play football now so I'll enjoy further corrections when I return!
A 2% odd tariff is meaningless in terms of protectionism but is just a cost plus the paperowrk cost to business.
The only time a tariff will make a difference is if they are a significant burden. And guess what, then they're a significant burden.
https://twitter.com/TheIFAB/status/1102946802305777664
Then again Warsi shares a lot in common with the Corbynistas who equate attacking Jews with the actions of Israel.
https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/534651391592378368
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/534686710991716352
Warsi is, however, not entirely reliable on this issue. Both while she was a Minister and increasingly since being dismissed she has severely criticised those like Saira Khan who have tried to do much to stop Islamist extremism and speak up for liberal Muslims and has associated herself with some very dubious extremist Muslim groups who express views which ought to be abhorrent to any decent Tory, any decent Labour person, frankly, any decent person. If she wants to criticise hatred against Muslims and be taken seriously, she should not associate herself with outfits like MEND and Interpal who preach hatred against people who are not Muslims.
take is hot
Well, he doesn't need a peerage.
https://www.thejc.com/news/news-features/puzzle-of-baroness-sayeeda-warsi-s-links-with-islamist-group-1.463152
All the "will of the people" types are really doing, of course, is seeking to disenfranchise the 48%.
He doesn't so much have a conflict of interest as an entire sequence of military campaigns of them.
Shabana Mahmood under fire for comments on LGBT lessons in schools
https://labourlist.org/2019/03/shabana-mahmood-under-fire-for-comments-on-lgbt-lessons-in-schools/
'The batsman's Holder the bowler's Willey'
' London’s skyline continues to head upwards, with a record 76 tall buildings due to be completed this year, a three-fold increase from 2018.
The number of tall towers – more than 20 storeys high – planned or under construction has also hit a new record of 541, up from 510 in 2017, according to the latest research from the industry forum New London Architecture (NLA). '
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/05/tall-buildings-london-skyline-2019
As it happens they have buried the hatchet and are working together to Save Labour.
They attach their "roadmap", saying they plan to change politics and will be seeking views through a new website and at their launch events.
The Spelman Dromey amendement passed 318 to 310 to rule out no deal .
5 Labour MPs voted against that . It’s hard to see more Labour MPs voting for no deal .
On the government side if May whips to not rule out no deal she’s likely to see a host of resignations which suggests the vote against no deal should clearly win . Also several Scottish Tory MPs have said they won’t back no deal as they fear it would embolden the SNPs drive for another Indy vote .
I can’t see May whipping to rule out no deal so a free vote would seem the safest option . That’s more likely to keep her government intact .
The big question how does May vote herself ? That could end up being very interesting .
Jesus.
Ajax fans in the Bernabeu.