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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,100
    Charles said:

    RobD said:

    Charles said:

    TOPPING said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    What’s a “complimentary Madeleine”?
    A free biscuit, with Proustian overtones.

    (The gastroporn in the Guardian is always hilarious, and the CIFers below outdo themselves with variants of the Three Yorkshiremen sketch.).
    I was more commenting on their inability to spell Richard, but thank you anyway!
    It was spelt correctly, wasn't it? Although the capital M is wrong.
    Complementary

    Not complimentary!

    As bad as infer/imply

    (The capital m was my spell check)

    @FrancisUrquhart
    er, surely the other way round?? ie complementary/complimentary - the Graun of all papers has it right.
    It’s a philosophical argument

    They are providing the madeleine as a complement to the coffee

    In @FrancisUrquhart example above “complimentary” coffees are “free coffees” not a supporting note

    😰
    Nice save ;)
    Thank you. Almost Gordon Banks’ level
    Loving the ironic apostrophe.....
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Sean_F said:

    Bradley may not be very good, but the reaction to her comments is absurdly overblown. As @David L says, these people need to get over themselves.

    In general (and in another context), I'd agree, but NI Secretary is a role where you really do need to be careful how you choose your words. She just doesn't seem to be very good.
    I wouldn't argue that she isn't useless, even lawyers have limits, but as I pointed out last week the idea that a cabinet minister should resign for merely being useless is a dangerous one indeed, especially to a cabinet (still!!) including Grayling, Fox, Leadsom, Mundell....

    It is of course even more dangerous to a PM who has misplaced her majority.
    True. In any case, this little storm in a rock-pool is about to be engulfed by the tsunami of Brexit chaos.
    Indeed. Can May really survive another heavy defeat? There has to come a point when we conclude that if May is the answer we are asking the wrong question.
    A change of PM will not change the parliamentary/diplomatic maths and will waste precious time.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,937
    SeanT said:

    I said Islam, not Muslims. An individual Muslim is no more objectionable than an individual Jew, Christian. homosexual, mongoose, astronaut, croissant or electric car.

    The trouble is that your wife’s religion is, at best, unenlightened, and in recent decades has become diseased by a vile extremism. This is indisputable. Inviting Muslims to live with us now is ls like inviting German nationalists to come over during the nazi era. Individually they are all probably the most honourable human beings, but their ideology has been hijacked and the risk isn’t worth it. I shall refrain from further and personal vulgar insults, like yours, because, I can’t be fucking arsed. Salaam

    You miss the point, as can be expected by a sub-Yaxley-Lennon asshat such as yourself.

    Mrs J is atheist. Yet she is an immigrant, from a Muslim country, and is identified as such on ID. Therefore in your brain-dead, Neanderthal shitheadidness, she gets wound up, along with the vast majority of other Muslims, in your hate-fest.

    In the past you have called for all Muslims to be deported. When I asked how you would tell who was a Muslim, you didn't have an answer. That means, if your wet-dream ever came true, she, and possibly my son, would get dragged into the net.

    Just fuck off, you hate-filled little man. Go and take some Viagra and find a prostitute desperate enough to sleep with you.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,162
    TOPPING said:

    Don't panic! The deal will pass. Or we get that second referendum (much less likely). There are many three steps forwards two steps backwards comments from and about ERG-ers and the Deal which still leaves us moving forwards!!

    Oh god do I not want that 2nd referendum. Does not bear thinking about. So, you know, let's not. Deal please.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,162
    SeanT said:

    Dislike, fear, mistrust, and loathing of Islam is entirely rational in western societies. From fgm to mass racial underage gang rape to de facto blasphemy laws to sharia courts to the burka and niqab to the threat of constant terrorism to cousin marriage (plus defective babies) to honour killings to homophobia to etc etc etc

    Mass Islamic immigration into the west has been a total disaster. Apart from the curries. But we could have got Hindu Indians to cook them. So what else has Muslim migration brought us? Nothing but trouble, rape, violence, and maybe the end of the Enlightenment. Everybody knows this, everybody thinks this, polls show 50% or more of westerners agree with this and want Islamic immigration to end ENTIRELY.

    Only pb liberals pretend otherwise.

    Antipathy to Islamic fundamentalism is perfectly rational. I know it is because I feel it and I am so rational you just would not credit it.

    But to Muslims in general? No, that is irrational. Of course it is. And if over 50% of people in the West want to ban all Muslims from living in the West, well all that demonstrates is the unthinking softhead prejudice of over 50% of people in the West.

    No big surprise - as Brexit and Trump will testify.
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    SeanTSeanT Posts: 549

    SeanT said:

    I said Islam, not Muslims. An individual Muslim is no more objectionable than an individual Jew, Christian. homosexual, mongoose, astronaut, croissant or electric car.

    The trouble is that your wife’s religion is, at best, unenlightened, and in recent decades has become diseased by a vile extremism. This is indisputable. Inviting Muslims to live with us now is ls like inviting German nationalists to come over during the nazi era. Individually they are all probably the most honourable human beings, but their ideology has been hijacked and the risk isn’t worth it. I shall refrain from further and personal vulgar insults, like yours, because, I can’t be fucking arsed. Salaam

    You miss the point, as can be expected by a sub-Yaxley-Lennon asshat such as yourself.

    Mrs J is atheist. Yet she is an immigrant, from a Muslim country, and is identified as such on ID. Therefore in your brain-dead, Neanderthal shitheadidness, she gets wound up, along with the vast majority of other Muslims, in your hate-fest.

    In the past you have called for all Muslims to be deported. When I asked how you would tell who was a Muslim, you didn't have an answer. That means, if your wet-dream ever came true, she, and possibly my son, would get dragged into the net.

    Just fuck off, you hate-filled little man. Go and take some Viagra and find a prostitute desperate enough to sleep with you.
    You seem upset.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,162
    Charles said:

    You caught me out on that one 😁

    How about addressing the substance of the point?

    :-)

    Well, a good level of integration is IMO essential. But that does not mean we should all adhere to some homogeneous mono-culture. I personally don't see an inevitable conflict between the need to integrate and the desire to retain elements of other cultures. Integration is not the same as blending in.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,162
    Sean_F said:

    If one wishes to try another analogy, let's suppose evangelical Protestant terrorists were blowing up abortion clinics and shooting doctors, it would be understandable if there were prejudice against evangelical Protestants in general, even though it would be unfair to tar all of them with the same brush as the terrorists

    And if there were 2 billion protestants in the world, and only a small fraction of them were evangelical, and only the tiniest fraction of that small fraction were terrorists?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited March 2019
    FPT
    kinabalu said:

    Fundamentalist Islam is extremely similar to fascism.

    Both are belief systems.
    Both have inspired violence.
    Both have violent acts taken out in their name.
    Both have ideologues and preachers.
    Both view outsiders as lessers.

    If you are prepared to reject one violent belief system then why not others?

    How many of the world's 2 billion Muslims do you think believe in the violent subjugation of non believers?
    A small percentage, which is why I didn't say either or Muslims or even simply Islam. I said Fundamentalist Islam.

    Not all Muslims believe in Fundamentalist Islam, any more than not all Nationalists are Fascists.

    I would equate any organised religion with nationalism, but fundamentalist religion with fundamentalist nationalism [ie fascism].
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781

    SeanT said:

    I said Islam, not Muslims. An individual Muslim is no more objectionable than an individual Jew, Christian. homosexual, mongoose, astronaut, croissant or electric car.

    The trouble is that your wife’s religion is, at best, unenlightened, and in recent decades has become diseased by a vile extremism. This is indisputable. Inviting Muslims to live with us now is ls like inviting German nationalists to come over during the nazi era. Individually they are all probably the most honourable human beings, but their ideology has been hijacked and the risk isn’t worth it. I shall refrain from further and personal vulgar insults, like yours, because, I can’t be fucking arsed. Salaam

    You miss the point, as can be expected by a sub-Yaxley-Lennon asshat such as yourself.

    Mrs J is atheist. Yet she is an immigrant, from a Muslim country, and is identified as such on ID. Therefore in your brain-dead, Neanderthal shitheadidness, she gets wound up, along with the vast majority of other Muslims, in your hate-fest.

    In the past you have called for all Muslims to be deported. When I asked how you would tell who was a Muslim, you didn't have an answer. That means, if your wet-dream ever came true, she, and possibly my son, would get dragged into the net.

    Just fuck off, you hate-filled little man. Go and take some Viagra and find a prostitute desperate enough to sleep with you.
    Did he really call for Muslims to be deported? Shit, I knew he was a pretty nasty right winger with lunatic tendencies, but I didn't realise we had a Nazi in our midst, (assuming he did say that).
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,937
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    I said Islam, not Muslims. An individual Muslim is no more objectionable than an individual Jew, Christian. homosexual, mongoose, astronaut, croissant or electric car.

    The trouble is that your wife’s religion is, at best, unenlightened, and in recent decades has become diseased by a vile extremism. This is indisputable. Inviting Muslims to live with us now is ls like inviting German nationalists to come over during the nazi era. Individually they are all probably the most honourable human beings, but their ideology has been hijacked and the risk isn’t worth it. I shall refrain from further and personal vulgar insults, like yours, because, I can’t be fucking arsed. Salaam

    You miss the point, as can be expected by a sub-Yaxley-Lennon asshat such as yourself.

    Mrs J is atheist. Yet she is an immigrant, from a Muslim country, and is identified as such on ID. Therefore in your brain-dead, Neanderthal shitheadidness, she gets wound up, along with the vast majority of other Muslims, in your hate-fest.

    In the past you have called for all Muslims to be deported. When I asked how you would tell who was a Muslim, you didn't have an answer. That means, if your wet-dream ever came true, she, and possibly my son, would get dragged into the net.

    Just fuck off, you hate-filled little man. Go and take some Viagra and find a prostitute desperate enough to sleep with you.
    You seem upset.
    Not really. Care to answer my points about your wrong-headed, crass views?

    It's particularly interesting that you choose this thread in which to state your hatred.
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781
    kinabalu said:

    Charles said:

    You caught me out on that one 😁

    How about addressing the substance of the point?

    :-)

    Well, a good level of integration is IMO essential. But that does not mean we should all adhere to some homogeneous mono-culture. I personally don't see an inevitable conflict between the need to integrate and the desire to retain elements of other cultures. Integration is not the same as blending in.
    Good to read a well balanced opinion after SeanTs demented rantings.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,937

    SeanT said:

    I said Islam, not Muslims. An individual Muslim is no more objectionable than an individual Jew, Christian. homosexual, mongoose, astronaut, croissant or electric car.

    The trouble is that your wife’s religion is, at best, unenlightened, and in recent decades has become diseased by a vile extremism. This is indisputable. Inviting Muslims to live with us now is ls like inviting German nationalists to come over during the nazi era. Individually they are all probably the most honourable human beings, but their ideology has been hijacked and the risk isn’t worth it. I shall refrain from further and personal vulgar insults, like yours, because, I can’t be fucking arsed. Salaam

    You miss the point, as can be expected by a sub-Yaxley-Lennon asshat such as yourself.

    Mrs J is atheist. Yet she is an immigrant, from a Muslim country, and is identified as such on ID. Therefore in your brain-dead, Neanderthal shitheadidness, she gets wound up, along with the vast majority of other Muslims, in your hate-fest.

    In the past you have called for all Muslims to be deported. When I asked how you would tell who was a Muslim, you didn't have an answer. That means, if your wet-dream ever came true, she, and possibly my son, would get dragged into the net.

    Just fuck off, you hate-filled little man. Go and take some Viagra and find a prostitute desperate enough to sleep with you.
    Did he really call for Muslims to be deported? Shit, I knew he was a pretty nasty right winger with lunatic tendencies, but I didn't realise we had a Nazi in our midst, (assuming he did say that).
    I believe so - although it was many years ago. After which the conversation got onto how you can tell whether someone is a Muslim or not ...
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    Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 13,781

    SeanT said:

    I said Islam, not Muslims. An individual Muslim is no more objectionable than an individual Jew, Christian. homosexual, mongoose, astronaut, croissant or electric car.

    The trouble is that your wife’s religion is, at best, unenlightened, and in recent decades has become diseased by a vile extremism. This is indisputable. Inviting Muslims to live with us now is ls like inviting German nationalists to come over during the nazi era. Individually they are all probably the most honourable human beings, but their ideology has been hijacked and the risk isn’t worth it. I shall refrain from further and personal vulgar insults, like yours, because, I can’t be fucking arsed. Salaam

    You miss the point, as can be expected by a sub-Yaxley-Lennon asshat such as yourself.

    Mrs J is atheist. Yet she is an immigrant, from a Muslim country, and is identified as such on ID. Therefore in your brain-dead, Neanderthal shitheadidness, she gets wound up, along with the vast majority of other Muslims, in your hate-fest.

    In the past you have called for all Muslims to be deported. When I asked how you would tell who was a Muslim, you didn't have an answer. That means, if your wet-dream ever came true, she, and possibly my son, would get dragged into the net.

    Just fuck off, you hate-filled little man. Go and take some Viagra and find a prostitute desperate enough to sleep with you.
    Did he really call for Muslims to be deported? Shit, I knew he was a pretty nasty right winger with lunatic tendencies, but I didn't realise we had a Nazi in our midst, (assuming he did say that).
    I believe so - although it was many years ago. After which the conversation got onto how you can tell whether someone is a Muslim or not ...
    FFS!
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