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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    First
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,922
    edited March 2019
    Second like Trump
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    LOL, I'd be very surprised if Trump had ever heard of this / of Neil Kinnock.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    Danny565 said:

    LOL, I'd be very surprised if Trump had ever heard of this / of Neil Kinnock.

    But he'll lap it up once he knows.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    edited March 2019
    It is clearly possible to have the required energy and drive at that age, but whether he will actually have that is less clear. But on the copycat label, is it possible using it would rebound as this time at least it will be almost baked in, well known, and akin to all those accusations against Corbyn - some direct quotations of his words and views - which neverthleless people did not care about. If he still has a big enough profile and support to run now, would such a charge really sink him?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?

    Trump doesn't even overlook transgressions in others that have never been alleged.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,922
    1987 Election - which Kinnock, er, won didn't he? :lol:
  • PendduPenddu Posts: 265
    Danny565 said:

    LOL, I'd be very surprised if Trump had ever heard of this / of Neil Kinnock.

    I wish I had never heard of Neil Kinnock....or Glenys....
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    1987 Election - which Kinnock, er, won didn't he? :lol:

    Please don't post the graph you have of that win Sunil!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I still think Biden has the best chance of beating Trump in 2020.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    Penddu said:

    Danny565 said:

    LOL, I'd be very surprised if Trump had ever heard of this / of Neil Kinnock.

    I wish I had never heard of Neil Kinnock....or Glenys....
    Ah, so you're a Stephen man/woman?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?

    Trump doesn't even overlook transgressions in others that have never been alleged.
    I mean even if Trump tries to make it an issue its unlikely to resonate, like the Tories banging on about Corbyn's support for the IRA. The 80s were a long time ago now.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    Bercow will probably nix it - with good reason, for once.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    On topic, I don’t think it matters too much.

    It’s ancient history and Biden, if chosen, like any of the other candidates will get crap thrown by Trump. The interesting question is rather how they deal with the orange narcissist.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,922

    1987 Election - which Kinnock, er, won didn't he? :lol:

    Please don't post the graph you have of that win Sunil!
    Hey, Ben! Don't worry - I don't have a graph of that "win" :lol:
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    1987 Election - which Kinnock, er, won didn't he? :lol:

    Please don't post the graph you have of that win Sunil!
    Hey, Ben! Don't worry - I don't have a graph of that "win" :lol:
    Phew!

    And thanks :smile:
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    Born only to die, how sad.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    Trump is already 72, the idea Biden and Sanders should be prevented from running against one if the oldest presidents in history on age grounds is absurd.

    Plus of course the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House was 69, Reagan when he beat Carter in 1980
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    edited March 2019
    AndyJS said:

    I still think Biden has the best chance of beating Trump in 2020.

    Agreed. Sanders v Trump could go either way, Trump I suspect would beat Harris or Warren or Booker, O'Rourke I cannot see being the nominee, VP candidate maybe
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    Anyone got a link to somewhere that sets out the processes for the indicative votes and/or submission of options?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    Ah, I see, thanks.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,093

    Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?

    I'm sure I can find you a SCOTUS judge who disagrees.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712
    O'Rourke has also been hit by news he was part of a hacking group

    https://www.wired.com/story/beto-orourke-cult-of-the-dead-cow-hacking-group/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited March 2019
    Drutt said:

    Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?

    I'm sure I can find you a SCOTUS judge who disagrees.
    I think there could be other issues that catch Biden out - he is likely to be a very hands on President!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    Anyone got a link to somewhere that sets out the processes for the indicative votes and/or submission of options?

    Ah, The Guardian seems to have heard my request:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/26/how-will-the-brexit-indicative-votes-process-work
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    HYUFD said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
    The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    edited March 2019

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    Malthouse plan A was renegotiate the backstop to make it acceptable so May would get a new WA with a new backstop agreed through the house and leave on 29th Mars.

    Plan B is that if the backstop renegotiation failed then the EU would grant the UK 12 months extension to agreed the new future deal or leave on WTO terms.

    There is also a plan C.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    Wonder if we'll see a Boris/Nicky "dream ticket" when Tess gets the boot? :D
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Biden backers should be more worried that he announced then unannounced his candidacy the other day. Gaffe-prone doesn't cover it.

    On speeches, one of the other candidates seemed to be channelling his inner Gordon Brown the other day. It might have been coincidence. Trouble is, I've forgotten which one.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Drutt said:

    Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?

    I'm sure I can find you a SCOTUS judge who disagrees.
    Rape and plagiarism are two very different allegations . . . and the alleged rapist still got confirmed onto SCOTUS with people saying old accusations are ridiculous.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    HYUFD said:

    O'Rourke has also been hit by news he was part of a hacking group

    https://www.wired.com/story/beto-orourke-cult-of-the-dead-cow-hacking-group/

    #HackedOff :D
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,959

    Biden backers should be more worried that he announced then unannounced his candidacy the other day.

    Did he write himself two letters?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2019
    I was curious to know the breakdown of petition signatures according to whether a constituency was estimated to have voted Remain or Leave. These are the results with the latest data:

    Remain constituencies (241): 3,076,655 [53.4%]
    Leave constituencies (409): 2,689,834 [46.6%]

    241 of 650 = 37.1%
    409 of 650 = 62.9%
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,084
    GIN1138 said:

    Wonder if we'll see a Boris/Nicky "dream ticket" when Tess gets the boot? :D
    Putting something like that up again given where we are now is pretty close to a wrecking amendment.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,712

    HYUFD said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
    The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
    Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 15,545

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    It's a bit early to be playing cricket isn't it? It was almost freezing last night.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,084
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
    The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
    Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
    It's not about the level of support - it's that it has effectively been tried and already failed. Putting something up that isn't achievable is not taking the process or the crisis we face seriously. Yes, Bercow should think about ruling it out of order, but he shouldn't have been put in the position of being the one to do so. We ought to expect better from our MPs; this lot just want to duck the real decisions that now need to be made.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I think there’s still a fair chance he won’t run.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    Key Motions Tables for tomorrow (Bercow selects which ones get voted on)

    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit

    #CorbynsCustomUnion not tabled yet!!!
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,979
    edited March 2019
    I hope the Watson* plan gets the most votes, i.e. Mrs May's deal plus a confirmatory referendum.

    *Kyle-Wilson

    EDIT: I assume the "2nd Referendum" option is the above.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    AndyJS said:

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    It's a bit early to be playing cricket isn't it? It was almost freezing last night.
    Well they have to make time to play slogging cricket, so there's not much choice.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281

    Key Motions Tables for tomorrow (Bercow selects which ones get voted on)

    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit

    #CorbynsCustomUnion not tabled yet!!!

    Where are you getting your list from BJO?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,922
    FF43 said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    The Meaningless Vote
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,912

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    Worrying precedent.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,912
    GIN1138 said:

    Wonder if we'll see a Boris/Nicky "dream ticket" when Tess gets the boot? :D
    How can I live in a world where apparently sane people believe the Malthouse Compromise is an actual real thing?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2019

    AndyJS said:

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    It's a bit early to be playing cricket isn't it? It was almost freezing last night.
    Well they have to make time to play slogging cricket, so there's not much choice.
    20 overs cricket is what we used to play in the under 13s. It seemed like quite a lot of cricket at that age.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772
    I can see Trump being a lot more imaginative than this if Biden were to make it that far. He has a real skill in tagging nicknames onto people.

    But I think Mike is right. Both Biden and Sanders are just too old for such a stressful campaign, let alone job.
  • Key Motions Tables for tomorrow (Bercow selects which ones get voted on)

    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit

    #CorbynsCustomUnion not tabled yet!!!

    Where are you getting your list from BJO?
    Sky has a list with explanation of each choice
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 15,545
    edited March 2019
    FF43 said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723

    Key Motions Tables for tomorrow (Bercow selects which ones get voted on)

    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit

    #CorbynsCustomUnion not tabled yet!!!

    Where are you getting your list from BJO?
    Institute for Government on Twitter whoever they are
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    AndyJS said:

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    It's a bit early to be playing cricket isn't it? It was almost freezing last night.
    Very warm during the day though, so long as the sun is shining - I was in shorts and Tshirt entil the evening chill.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    I definitely want to read Robert Ludlum's The Political Declaration.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,225
    edited March 2019
    FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    Wasn't Article 50 the sequel to Catch 22?

    Anyway I'm just reading For Whom The Division Bell tolls. Gripping stuff.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    Key Motions Tables for tomorrow (Bercow selects which ones get voted on)

    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit

    #CorbynsCustomUnion not tabled yet!!!

    Where are you getting your list from BJO?
    Institute for Government on Twitter whoever they are
    "Institute for Government on Twitter"? Some sort of body that advocates rule by twitter, that's a terrible idea!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,084
    I see the government has earmarked Monday's further debate as its formal response to the 5 3/4 million-strong Revoke petition, avoiding the need to schedule a potentially embarrassing separate debate on the matter.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,772
    HYUFD said:

    Trump is already 72, the idea Biden and Sanders should be prevented from running against one if the oldest presidents in history on age grounds is absurd.

    Plus of course the only candidate since WW2 to beat an incumbent president after only one term of his party in the White House was 69, Reagan when he beat Carter in 1980

    So Reagan was the same age as Biden is now when he had served 2 terms and was generally recognised to be more than a bit dottled. I am not sure how this helps your argument.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2019
    O/T

    This sort of thing doesn't surprise me. There are lots of places now which are officially open to the public but where in reality only wealthy or wealthy-looking people are made to feel welcome.

    https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/mar/26/outrageous-and-disgusting-segregated-playground-sparks-fury

    "'Outrageous' and 'disgusting': segregated playground sparks fury
    Jeremy Corbyn, James Brokenshire and Sadiq Khan criticise Henley Homes for excluding social housing residents from playground"
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,084
    All of TIG will support Kyle-Wilson (apparently now being tabled by Beckett)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,922

    FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    I definitely want to read Robert Ludlum's The Political Declaration.
    The sequel to the Meaningless Vote:

    The People's Vote
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    IanB2 said:

    All of TIG will support Kyle-Wilson (apparently now being tabled by Beckett)

    Guardian now reporting 16 motions tabled including 7 from ERG and


    #CorbynsCustomsUnion
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,019
    Nigelb said:

    Bercow will probably nix it - with good reason, for once.
    The one thing you can tell from that is that Nicky Morgan is serious about wanting to be next Tory leader.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    The Bercow Ruling added a comedic twist to the genre.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723

    Key Motions Tables for tomorrow (Bercow selects which ones get voted on)

    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit

    #CorbynsCustomUnion not tabled yet!!!

    Where are you getting your list from BJO?
    Sky has a list with explanation of each choice
    Ah good yes thanks
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,093

    Drutt said:

    Aren't people likely to overlook discretions alleged to have occured 30 years ago?

    I'm sure I can find you a SCOTUS judge who disagrees.
    Rape and plagiarism are two very different allegations . . . and the alleged rapist still got confirmed onto SCOTUS with people saying old accusations are ridiculous.
    True, but it's not the age or the nature of the allegation that counts any more in an increasingly tribal politic. Wholly regrettably, it's the identity of the accused and accuser.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,979
    IanB2 said:

    I see the government has earmarked Monday's further debate as its formal response to the 5 3/4 million-strong Revoke petition, avoiding the need to schedule a potentially embarrassing separate debate on the matter.

    I think there will be a separate debate on the revoke petition in Westminster Hall on Monday. That's where all the petition debates are held. It's a placebo.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    GIN1138 said:

    Wonder if we'll see a Boris/Nicky "dream ticket" when Tess gets the boot? :D
    Don't be ridiculous.

    One was a third rate Fascist whose tenure of high office was an unmitigated fiasco, and the damaging ramifications of poor policies and naked cronyism are poisoning the well to this hour.

    And if anything, Boris is even worse.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,084

    IanB2 said:

    All of TIG will support Kyle-Wilson (apparently now being tabled by Beckett)

    Guardian now reporting 16 motions tabled including 7 from ERG and


    #CorbynsCustomsUnion
    The ERG tabling so many purely so they can call out Bercow when he rejects most of them. We all know what they want.
  • FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    Wasn't Article 50 the sequel to Catch 22?

    Anyway I'm just reading For Whom The Division Bell tolls. Gripping stuff.
    Btw, Meaningful Vote is a trilogy. And The Referendum is first in an enless series - bit like the Fast And Furious film franchise, but without the excitement and much more repetitive.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    It's a bit early to be playing cricket isn't it? It was almost freezing last night.
    Well they have to make time to play slogging cricket, so there's not much choice.
    20 overs cricket is what we used to play in the under 13s. It seemed like quite a lot of cricket at that age.
    I'm surprised that professional five-a-side football isn't a big thing.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758

    FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    Wasn't Article 50 the sequel to Catch 22?

    Anyway I'm just reading For Whom The Division Bell tolls. Gripping stuff.
    Btw, Meaningful Vote is a Tragedy.
    FTFY...
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 15,545

    FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    The Bercow Ruling added a comedic twist to the genre.
    While May's Deal is is repetitious and fails to live up to its billing.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    It's a bit early to be playing cricket isn't it? It was almost freezing last night.
    Well they have to make time to play slogging cricket, so there's not much choice.
    20 overs cricket is what we used to play in the under 13s. It seemed like quite a lot of cricket at that age.
    I'm surprised that professional five-a-side football isn't a big thing.
    It is I think.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futsal
  • AugustineAugustine Posts: 19

    FF43 said:



    FF43 said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Meaningful Vote (thanks, Sunnil)

    One that you can never put down:
    Irish Backstop.
    The Bercow Ruling added a comedic twist to the genre.
    Calling SeanT ...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,408
    Barnesian said:

    IanB2 said:

    I see the government has earmarked Monday's further debate as its formal response to the 5 3/4 million-strong Revoke petition, avoiding the need to schedule a potentially embarrassing separate debate on the matter.

    I think there will be a separate debate on the revoke petition in Westminster Hall on Monday. That's where all the petition debates are held. It's a placebo.
    It'll be interesting to see how many MPs agree with revoke, given most probably still want the cover of a referendum.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,837
    FF43 said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Harry Potter and the ...goes before all of them. In which our intrepid band of MPs come up with ever more incredible wheezes to ensure they are defeated...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    I think Bercow will pick

    • Labour's Brexit Plan (CU & SMA)
    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    kle4 said:

    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    In a gem of an article Engel of the Guardian makes this observation

    First-class cricket has not been played in England on Greenwich Mean Time since 1914.

    That's amazing.
    It's a bit early to be playing cricket isn't it? It was almost freezing last night.
    Well they have to make time to play slogging cricket, so there's not much choice.
    20 overs cricket is what we used to play in the under 13s. It seemed like quite a lot of cricket at that age.
    I'm surprised that professional five-a-side football isn't a big thing.
    It is I think.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futsal
    By a "big thing" I meant played by Premiership footballers and screened on Sky.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
    The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
    Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
    That was Malthouse Plan B, this proposal is Malthouse Plan A (basically the Brady Amendment) which is the only thing this entire process to be positively approved by Parliament getting 317 votes in favour last time.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    dixiedean said:

    FF43 said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Harry Potter and the ...goes before all of them. In which our intrepid band of MPs come up with ever more incredible wheezes to ensure they are defeated...
    They'd also work as titles in Charles Stross' "Laundry" series of occult/espionage novels.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
    The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
    Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
    That was Malthouse Plan B, this proposal is Malthouse Plan A (basically the Brady Amendment) which is the only thing this entire process to be positively approved by Parliament getting 317 votes in favour last time.
    But it's not on the table?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
    The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
    Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
    That was Malthouse Plan B, this proposal is Malthouse Plan A (basically the Brady Amendment) which is the only thing this entire process to be positively approved by Parliament getting 317 votes in favour last time.
    But it's not on the table?
    Says who? Neither are half the other proposals being voted on tomorrow. Officially the only things on the table are Revoke, Deal and No Deal. Nothing else is officially on the table yet we're getting about 7 proposals tomorrow.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    It's a Managed No Deal. They think we can leave with no deal and then have a pay-as-you-go transition from the EU.
    The Commons has already voted against Malthouse by a big majority anyway
    The Commons has already voted against everything remember.
    Malthouse got even less votes than the Deal has received on either the first or second MV
    That was Malthouse Plan B, this proposal is Malthouse Plan A (basically the Brady Amendment) which is the only thing this entire process to be positively approved by Parliament getting 317 votes in favour last time.
    But it's not on the table?
    Says who? Neither are half the other proposals being voted on tomorrow. Officially the only things on the table are Revoke, Deal and No Deal. Nothing else is officially on the table yet we're getting about 7 proposals tomorrow.
    Yes, but he EU have already ruled this one out. Bercow shouldn't select it.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,084

    I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.

    Which is why it is a wrecking amendment from MPs that are trying to duck the real choices the country faces.
  • Boris live on Sky just now engineering his move to back TM deal

    It is comical watching ERG going into full throttle reverse and funnier still if it is too late
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    Letwin, Ken Clarke, Sarah Newton propose #CorbynsCustomsUnion
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    IanB2 said:

    I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.

    Which is why it is a wrecking amendment from MPs that are trying to duck the real choices the country faces.
    A rare point of agreement. Bercow needs to select only the proposals that have a realistic proposition of success. Anything that proposes changes to the WA needs to be ignored.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697

    I think Bercow will pick

    • Labour's Brexit Plan (CU & SMA)
    • Revoke A50
    • 2nd Referendum
    • Norway Plan (Common Market)
    • Malthouse Compromise
    • A No Deal Brexit

    Shouldn't Bercow pick everything? Every single unicorn should be on the table

    Time for everyone to lay all their cards on the table once and for all and lets see what the scoundrels have got...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,281
    I have entered a time warp; this current process is obviously the sort of thing parliament will do before invoking A50.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,517
    dixiedean said:

    FF43 said:

    Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?

    One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:

    Malthouse Compromise
    Chequers Plan
    Letwin Amendment
    Norway Option
    Harry Potter and the ...goes before all of them. In which our intrepid band of MPs come up with ever more incredible wheezes to ensure they are defeated...
    Off-topic:

    Many years ago, Mrs J and I realised that you could replace the last word in every title of the Harry Potter series with the word 'cum' and get a very different set of books:
    Harry Potter and the Philosopher's ...
    Harry Potter and the Chamber of ...
    Harry Potter and the Prisoner of ...
    Harry Potter and the Goblet of ...
    Harry Potter and the Order of the ...
    Harry Potter and the Half-Blood ...
    Harry Potter and the Deathly ...

    Although some work better with the word in the middle: for instance, 'Harry Potter and the Cum of the Phoenix' is a rather mind-boggling title ... ;)
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