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Consider where British politics is quite likely to be in a few months time – LAB still being led by Corbyn who is opposed by most of his MPs and Johnson being the CON leader in spite of his relative lack of parliamentary support
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Britain sorely misses Ed Miliband, I would say - a reasonable balance of MP's and grassroots support, and a reasonable balance of idealism and pragmatism as a person.
If you have open primaries, or a less backward voting system that cash achieve the same thing, then it makes sense for the MPs to then select their leader.
The problem the Tories and Labour both have is that their 'armchair' members are now just as radicalised as their activists.
Indeed. Could we treat politics like rugby and offer NZ's PM a larger 'opportunity'?
- the right-wing will claim the losses indicate anger that the hard Brexit people expect hasn't been delivered
- the moderates will claim that the ERG sabotage of Brexit and the ensuing chaos and disunity is responsible. Some might even wonder whether tying the party to Brexit was such a bright idea.
Should we expect a surge to the Greens, LDs, Nats? Will Mebyon Kernow break out of Cornwall and take over Devon and Somerset?
Serious question. Cui bono?
Tell that to the Welsh ...
"Our success in it is dependent upon the vision, self confidence and calibre of our leaders, "
In which case Brexit shows us on the way to be an absolute failure. Our leaders have fuck-all real vision (only unicorns), too much supremely arrogant self-confidence and zero calibre.
Sadly.
We were defrauded of that birthright, by a generation of genial traitors, from Heath to Clarke, from Heseltine and Major to Blair, Cameron, and Clegg.
For shame. But there it is.
. "After we vote to leave, we will expand the number of damaging Single Market rules that we no longer impose and we will behave like the vast majority of countries around the world, trading with the EU but, crucially, without accepting the supremacy of EU law."
Is all I could find on the Vote Leave website; their actual manifesto seems to have gone missing. But in any case, the question was in/out. It wasn't "should we implement the XXX manifesto".
I reserve the right to change my mind and call it the most ludicrous system possible if it gifts us Boris Johnson.
A world with him in Number 10 and Trump in the White House is ... no, sorry, I do not have the language to do it justice. Maybe some other time.
The places with elections are in blue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_United_Kingdom_local_elections#/media/File:United_Kingdom_local_elections_2019_map.svg
LDs will gain and claim the second coming of Lib Demnery. I do think labour will gain though, default opposition and its handling them the keys to the toilets on the seafront not number 10 so its 'safe'
Our success is indeed dependent on the calibre of our leaders, businesses and workforce, but it's also dependent on membership of the European Union. The future, as Brexiteers have presented it to us, is by no means global. As we have been firmly told, to be a citizen of the world is to be a citizen of no-where.
www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/8721508/inter-ac-milan-san-siro-new-stadium/amp/
Concrete it may be, but the San Siro is one of the most unconscionability beautiful structures in the world imho.
But that relies on decent candidates across the board. I reckon there may be Independent gains as a backlash against the establishment, even if you've no idea what they stand for, "Independent" just feels that bit cleaner than party politics right now.
Gove, Raab, Javid or maybe someone out of nowhere, like Thatcher.
Chairman of New Zealand's biggest mosque says Mossad were behind Christchurch massacre that left 50 people dead
Ahmed Bhamji, who leads the Mt Roskill Masjid E Umar mosque in Auckland, made the remarks at a rally organised by Love New Zealand Hate Racism on Saturday.
During a speech, he said Israeli intelligence agency Mossad was behind the attack and accused suspect Brenton Tarrant of getting funding from 'Zionist business'.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6859219/Chairman-New-Zealands-biggest-mosque-says-Mossad-Christchurch-massacre.html
In particular, that independent in East Devon, who already did well in the last two elections, looks a decent bet for a shock gain.
We have sold off much of central London and other prime sites to the Saudis, Russians, Chinese, Malaysians, Qataris etc. Much of our infrastructure is also owned and operated by foreign businesses and governments. Many of those countries would not let foreign non resident nationals buy up their country.
Some might say we sold our birthright for a bit of ready cash a while back!
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1111270345560997888
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1111270653540352000
But if I were to choose any stadium in the world to survive to 4000AD to tell those people of our times, forget your fancy new stadia, I would choose this one.
Kills immediate talk of differences to PD, can't have them without WA
What could possibly go wrong?
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1111265909371359232?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1111265909371359232&ref_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-47696409
With respect, Mike, you really trust MPs with serious decisions like electing a leader? After last night's debacle?
So the Government probably feels it has no choice but to go for it.
And how does he gain a new PM under that scenario given TM's resignation is conditional?
The new Wembley is elegant. Real Madrid's ground
Probably the most beautiful stadium is the one that never got built. Chelsea's wood-and-brick cathedral of a stadium, cancelled last year. It would have been stunning.
https://www.e-architect.co.uk/london/herzog-de-meurons-chelsea-stadium
A Boris, JRM or Gove Brexit.
Brilliant!
Voters like desperate incompetent backstabbing self-serving hideously divided parties don't they? I get it now - May is salting the earth to ensure that none of her purported successors can be a success. Its May enacting Operation Samson - you can remove me, but you will all be taken out by me as my final act
The fact so much of it seems to cover the pitch I think made it feel different
If its not approved by tomorrow we move definitively to 12 April - and that means almost certain EU elections and a long extension.
Of course if we don't leave by 22 May Mrs May's commitment to resign as leader falls - and she carries on and on and on.....
So either way she wins!
On topic, I'm not wholly convinced by OGH's argument. As a member of a Party where members also have a vote, I'm not sure it's such a bad system.
The main difference is any and every MP who opts to stand appears on the ballot paper to members. We don't get the Labour collegiate system or the Conservative system where only two names appear on the ballot paper and which allows MPs to vote tactically in a succession of ballots (as we recall when Portillo was defeated in 2001).
I think it quite possible we could have three or four names on the LD ballot (conducted by STV of course so everyone's second choice gets in). I don't know why the Conservatives don't just put the names of all the aspiring candidates on a ballot paper and consult all the members via FPTP (given there could be 12 runners STV might be too much for the Tories).
I'm also opposed to OGH because we should as supporters of the democratic process be in the market of encouraging more democracy not reducing it. If only the MPs, why not the Peers or Councillors - you'd better believe local Councillors of all stripes work hard as well. I may only pay my sub these days but that's still a commitment and I would resent having a vote to determine the Party leader taken out of my hands.
That being said, I am also opposed to the various entryist models - at least the Conservatives and LDs exercise a little dud diligence as to the electorate. Labour sold their Party to the Left for £3 (paid by one or two Conservatives too perhaps).
Antigua or St Lucia would be good.
Norfolks old ground at lakenham was fun if only because I saw them beat a rest of the world side there, it was a terrible wicket though
And does that mean we leave on 22 May - before the election? I can see Labour being torn - but they could wipe out the Tiggers.
And then we can have an election about whether we are in a customs arrangement, no customs union, a customs union or the customs union - and within a few days we will probably all end up being driven to needing free social care!
Vote the WA and after April 12 it’s too late to organize EU elections . So saying to the ERG get it through and the UK is definitely out by May 22 . Of course they could then derail the WAIB and force no deal unless the nuclear option of revoke happens .
In terms of EU elections there’s nothing in the ECJ decision to stop revocation past April 12 . The EU can’t stop that as long as that happens before the expiry of the May 22 extension.
And if the WA comes back tomorrow , then amendments could be put down so that could cause the government more problems .
A Tory leadership election!
Superb plan.
Yes, there is a degree of balance in the Tory process, with elimination to the final two ensuring that a leader must enjoy a reasonably high level of support amongst many MPs even if the successful candidate is not the first choice of the majority. The problem with the Tory process is with the procedure for getting rid of a leader who just scrapes home against a challenge (i.e. the 12 month embargo) not with the process of choosing them.
Generally MPs rally around their new leader anyway if they are any good, so an initial shortfall of MPs won't last. Ed Miliband achieved that - it was opponents outside not inside the party who tried to use the electoral college outcome against him. The problem with the new Labour process is that the MPs nominations threshold is far too low, effectively stripping them of influence. And the electoral college was a far better means of achieving balance anyway.
They'd be disqualified from standing as Tories in the GE, I believe.
Uncouple the WA from the PD.
WA passed and we leave in Q2.
Tories select new leader.
GE to decide who runs with the Future Relationship.
Has a lot going for it.
Labour already trotting out reasons not to vote for it such as "we might get Boris".