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The 2019 Euro elections – not a contest I thought was going to require a British perspective. Yet here we are, taking at least one more curtain call.

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  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 7,063
    JEFFERSON!
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 2,875
    stodge said:

    isam said:

    stodge said:

    DavidL said:

    The official figures on homelessness don't show any surge at all: https://www.homeless.org.uk/facts/homelessness-in-numbers/statutory-homelessness

    Overall applications are down slightly over the last 5 years, accepted applications are up slightly. It is a disappointingly static picture given addressing this was supposed to be a priority but a surge it isn't.

    This isn't just about homelessness or rough sleeping but about the quality of life for thousands of people. It shouldn't be acceptable in 2019 in the UK for families to live in one room - it shouldn't be acceptable for 20 or more people to live in a 3-bedroom suburban semi and it shouldn't be people for people to be caged up in a modern day workhouse like Terminus House.
    The competition for low wage jobs doesn't help the problem in your opening paragraph. But big corporates cant make huge profits without such exploitation
    There you have the problem of modern capitalism. The Victorian entrepreneurs realised an educated and healthy work force would be more productive so they led the way in public health and education. Cities were cleared of cholera though not pollution and gradually diet improved so people became taller, stronger and lived longer.

    We need a similar approach in the 21st Century with capitalism leading the way on tackling climate change, addiction and mental health. I'd start by reducing working hours and ending the "long hours" culture which is fuelled by drug use and/or poor diet. If we worked less and lived a little more, I think we'd all be better off.
    How exactly are we going to get capitalism to "lead the way" on those issues?
  • isamisam Posts: 27,191
    Watching the Remainers point to Brexit and UKIP getting 50 odd % of the vote between them and only 2 seats would be beautiful
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 14,838
    edited April 9
    I think Brexit Party and Change UK could end up fighting it out for first and second with Labour third and Con fourth or even fifth in this election. :open_mouth:
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 7,063

    stodge said:

    isam said:

    stodge said:

    DavidL said:

    The official figures on homelessness don't show any surge at all: https://www.homeless.org.uk/facts/homelessness-in-numbers/statutory-homelessness

    Overall applications are down slightly over the last 5 years, accepted applications are up slightly. It is a disappointingly static picture given addressing this was supposed to be a priority but a surge it isn't.

    This isn't just about homelessness or rough sleeping but about the quality of life for thousands of people. It shouldn't be acceptable in 2019 in the UK for families to live in one room - it shouldn't be acceptable for 20 or more people to live in a 3-bedroom suburban semi and it shouldn't be people for people to be caged up in a modern day workhouse like Terminus House.
    The competition for low wage jobs doesn't help the problem in your opening paragraph. But big corporates cant make huge profits without such exploitation
    There you have the problem of modern capitalism. The Victorian entrepreneurs realised an educated and healthy work force would be more productive so they led the way in public health and education. Cities were cleared of cholera though not pollution and gradually diet improved so people became taller, stronger and lived longer.

    We need a similar approach in the 21st Century with capitalism leading the way on tackling climate change, addiction and mental health. I'd start by reducing working hours and ending the "long hours" culture which is fuelled by drug use and/or poor diet. If we worked less and lived a little more, I think we'd all be better off.
    How exactly are we going to get capitalism to "lead the way" on those issues?
    I am not sure that more than a handful of Victorian entrepreneurs were as enlightened as claimed. If that is wrong it is strange that we needed so many Factory Acts.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 7,052
    I wonder what the Brexit Party and UKIP think of each other.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,034

    I wonder what the Brexit Party and UKIP think of each other.

    They are jovial easy going types who aren't easily wound up. I am sure they roll along just fine.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 2,850

    I wonder what the Brexit Party and UKIP think of each other.

    Splitters
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 5,243
    I mentioned on the last thread and repeat for relevance, the mighty SDP have ruled out standing in the euros so that's 0.1% the Brexit party can get. Patrick OFlynn will be the PPC for any Peterborough by election
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,425
    I don’t understand how labour can want to tie us in to a customs union that basically keeps us out of EU international trade deals but gives third parties tariff free access to our markets effectively making us poorer and killing our exports . And they want it enshrining in international law so we can’t reassess ! Bonkers, if the tories agree to this UK is finished
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 34,429
    Its not just Easter Bunnies that are racist...

    Burger King remove 'racist' chopsticks ad

    https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-47866381
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,526
    Huge applause for people’s vote campaigner demanding a people’s vote at a people’s vote rally? Now I’ve heard everything.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,526

    I wonder what the Brexit Party and UKIP think of each other.

    People’s front of Judea etc.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 2,850
    A reporter has asked them how many years do they think it will take before the UK comes begging to be let back in. Macron has answered in sign language.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 14,827
    Fpt
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    The official figures on homelessness don't show any surge at all: https://www.homeless.org.uk/facts/homelessness-in-numbers/statutory-homelessness

    Overall applications are down slightly over the last 5 years, accepted applications are up slightly. It is a disappointingly static picture given addressing this was supposed to be a priority but a surge it isn't.

    And yet the evidence of our own eyes tells us a completely different story.
    I think what we are seeing is more rough sleeping, as Richard mentioned earlier. It is a lot more obvious than people in overcrowded conditions or sofa surfing. It has clearly increased since Romania joined the EU and we received a lot more professional beggars than we had before.
    I don't know what it's like round your bit but there aren't many Romanian rough sleepers in Glasgow. To use a favourite Brexitty right trope, why would they come over here to take advantage of the UK benefit system then make it much harder for themselves to do so?

    In any case, as suggested in the recent 60 Days On The Streets programme, Glasgow at least seems to have made a dent in rough sleeping compared to other places.

    'But after arriving during the coldest part of winter, what he found waiting for him on the streets of Glasgow took him by surprise.
    “It was really positive, he explains. “There was a bed first policy and so many positive things going on, including the joined-up thinking and how all the organisations talk to each other. There was even an organisation that was set up to allow the different, fragmented organisations set up for homeless people to communicate with each other...

    “There was more examples of people with their cases being solved, due to the progressive policies up in Scotland. I think it will be a bit of a light at the end of quite a dark tunnel in terms of the first two episodes. There was a lot that English local authorities and charities could learn from in the way things are being done.” '

    https://tinyurl.com/y4mrmhto
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 8,802
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,716
    Ishmael_Z said:

    JEFFERSON!

    You retracted your ignorant comments about Apartheid yet?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 2,850
    kjohnw said:

    I don’t understand how labour can want to tie us in to a customs union that basically keeps us out of EU international trade deals but gives third parties tariff free access to our markets effectively making us poorer and killing our exports . And they want it enshrining in international law so we can’t reassess ! Bonkers, if the tories agree to this UK is finished

    The UK was finished the moment headbanging Brexiteers took control of the Tory Party and Corbyn took control of Labour.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 28,775
    RobD said:

    Huge applause for people’s vote campaigner demanding a people’s vote at a people’s vote rally? Now I’ve heard everything.
    He's a Leaver, so it's actually significant.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 44,622
    edited April 9
    They're psychologically a big deal. If we have them chances are they serve a full term.

    And what does sitting them out achieve if that happens?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,526
    _Anazina_ said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    JEFFERSON!

    You retracted your ignorant comments about Apartheid yet?
    PB comments are unretractable, and forever stored in the PB archive. Unless you are SeanT, of course.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 2,850
    RobD said:

    Huge applause for people’s vote campaigner demanding a people’s vote at a people’s vote rally? Now I’ve heard everything.
    I guess it is slightly more consistent than avowed Leave supporters voting down the WA
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 5,243
    kle4 said:

    They're psychologically a big deal. If we have them chances are they serve a full term.

    And what does sitting them out achieve if that happens?
    And allowing all the other parties election air time whilst you're shut out would be suicide, you're advertising a post Tory world
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,736
    Guten Abend, meine Bruder.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 34,429

    kle4 said:

    They're psychologically a big deal. If we have them chances are they serve a full term.

    And what does sitting them out achieve if that happens?
    And allowing all the other parties election air time whilst you're shut out would be suicide, you're advertising a post Tory world
    Some might say the Tories tried that approached at the last GE and it didn't go very well...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,526

    Guten Abend, meine Bruder.

    Good afternoon, comrade Dancer.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 14,838
    That's what I said. Why are Con even bothering? :D
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 7,063
    _Anazina_ said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    JEFFERSON!

    You retracted your ignorant comments about Apartheid yet?
    Nope. Didn't make any. Next?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 5,243
    GIN1138 said:

    That's what I said. Why are Con even bothering? :D
    They could have a party with the SDP in the not playing playground
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 27,778

    If the changes in the Welsh poll were replicated nationally, (and I expect in practice, support for the Brexit Party and Change UK would vary markedly by region), I'd expect a result along the lines of:-

    Labour 25
    Conservative 20
    UKIP 7
    Brexit 7
    Green 5
    Lib Dem 2
    Change UK 1
    SNP 2
    Plaid 1
    Northern Ireland 3

    resulting in 38 pro-EU, 35 anti-EU MEP's.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 2,935
    I reckon politicians mostly have a psychological disorder that would make it very difficult to step aside voluntarily and let others take power, no matter how little power and for how short a time.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,526
    GIN1138 said:

    That's what I said. Why are Con even bothering? :D
    Give the old biddies a chance to vote for another party? Dangerous. They might make a habit of it.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 10,900
    Thank you Alastair for an excellent thread.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 9,771
    D’Hondt is a form of PR albeit constrained by the confines of small constituency sizes.

    In other elections, such as the upcoming Spanish elections, D'Hondt gives a proportional results in some large constituencies (like Madrid) and a disproportionate result (and particularly a small swing -> big change in result effect) elsewhere.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 25,690
    Are we seriously doing this? Jeez.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 7,052

    GIN1138 said:

    That's what I said. Why are Con even bothering? :D
    They could have a party with the SDP in the not playing playground
    Nowadays the SDP seem to have been taken over by a UKIP faction and have an ex UKIP MEP.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46357121
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 756

    A reporter has asked them how many years do they think it will take before the UK comes begging to be let back in. Macron has answered in sign language.
    Channel 4 concedes Eurotrash reboot not going so well
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 5,243
    Lol @ LDs looking at 7th or 8th place
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,145
    But if we allocated by D'Hondt nationally we'd get a practically proportional result. STV as in Northern Ireland is not very protonation in small constituencies.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 12,456
    GIN1138 said:

    That's what I said. Why are Con even bothering? :D
    Just to irritate the not-so-loyal DUP, they could model themselves on Sinn Fein and refuse to take their seats.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 20,607

    kle4 said:

    They're psychologically a big deal. If we have them chances are they serve a full term.

    And what does sitting them out achieve if that happens?
    And allowing all the other parties election air time whilst you're shut out would be suicide, you're advertising a post Tory world
    Normally yes - but perhaps this is one to sit out and not be on tv talking about Europe..
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 7,052

    Guten Abend, meine Bruder.

    Mein surely.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 5,243

    GIN1138 said:

    That's what I said. Why are Con even bothering? :D
    They could have a party with the SDP in the not playing playground
    Nowadays the SDP seem to have been taken over by a UKIP faction and have an ex UKIP MEP.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46357121
    Owenites of the extreme. Rod Liddle backs them too.
    No meps after this though as oflynn will instead concentrate on Peterborough
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,612

    Guten Abend, meine Bruder.

    My German is not all it might be, but shouldn't that be 'mein Brüder?'
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,526
    Scott_P said:
    Alright PB, who is Perfidious Albion on Dope?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 7,063
    DavidL said:

    Are we seriously doing this? Jeez.

    I was thinking this country had embarrassed itself for the next 10 to 15 years. Now thinking 10 to 15 generations.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 5,245


    How exactly are we going to get capitalism to "lead the way" on those issues?

    It's going to take a concerted multi-agency efforts where companies whose main raison d'etre is to avoid paying tax are cajoled or coerced into accepting a degree of civic responsibility.

    Perhaps you might have some ideas to contribute or do you think we should just let capitalism run riot and damn the consequences?

  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 7,052

    I mentioned on the last thread and repeat for relevance, the mighty SDP have ruled out standing in the euros so that's 0.1% the Brexit party can get. Patrick OFlynn will be the PPC for any Peterborough by election

    He gets around, doesn't he.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 1,761
    Peston needs to give up forecasting .

    According to him in March before the last EU summit May would take the UK out on no deal .

    The EU is more likely to give two options as it did last time . A short one and a longer flexible extension with conditions .
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 5,243

    I mentioned on the last thread and repeat for relevance, the mighty SDP have ruled out standing in the euros so that's 0.1% the Brexit party can get. Patrick OFlynn will be the PPC for any Peterborough by election

    He gets around, doesn't he.
    Yes he likes a flit about
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,864
    edited April 9

    I mentioned on the last thread and repeat for relevance, the mighty SDP have ruled out standing in the euros so that's 0.1% the Brexit party can get. Patrick OFlynn will be the PPC for any Peterborough by election

    Disappointing. It would have been interesting to see how much support they have. Are the TIGs intending to stand in the Euros?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 14,827
    Surely the main question is whether David Coburn will any longer bestride the national and international stage?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 75,311
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Alright PB, who is Perfidious Albion on Dope?
    Has to be someone with a long history of anti French comments.

    I can’t think of anyone regularly denigrates the nation of collaborators.
  • isamisam Posts: 27,191

    Fpt

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    The official figures on homelessness don't show any surge at all: https://www.homeless.org.uk/facts/homelessness-in-numbers/statutory-homelessness

    Overall applications are down slightly over the last 5 years, accepted applications are up slightly. It is a disappointingly static picture given addressing this was supposed to be a priority but a surge it isn't.

    And yet the evidence of our own eyes tells us a completely different story.
    I think what we are seeing is more rough sleeping, as Richard mentioned earlier. It is a lot more obvious than people in overcrowded conditions or sofa surfing. It has clearly increased since Romania joined the EU and we received a lot more professional beggars than we had before.
    I don't know what it's like round your bit but there aren't many Romanian rough sleepers in Glasgow. To use a favourite Brexitty right trope, why would they come over here to take advantage of the UK benefit system then make it much harder for themselves to do so?

    In any case, as suggested in the recent 60 Days On The Streets programme, Glasgow at least seems to have made a dent in rough sleeping compared to other places.

    'But after arriving during the coldest part of winter, what he found waiting for him on the streets of Glasgow took him by surprise.
    “It was really positive, he explains. “There was a bed first policy and so many positive things going on, including the joined-up thinking and how all the organisations talk to each other. There was even an organisation that was set up to allow the different, fragmented organisations set up for homeless people to communicate with each other...

    “There was more examples of people with their cases being solved, due to the progressive policies up in Scotland. I think it will be a bit of a light at the end of quite a dark tunnel in terms of the first two episodes. There was a lot that English local authorities and charities could learn from in the way things are being done.” '

    https://tinyurl.com/y4mrmhto


    40% of London's rough sleepers are UK National's

    https://www.nao.org.uk/naoblog/growing-number-of-rough-sleepers/
  • stodgestodge Posts: 5,245

    A reporter has asked them how many years do they think it will take before the UK comes begging to be let back in. Macron has answered in sign language.
    So when the EU refuse an extension May could have responded with the Peter Cook/Dudley Moore version of "Goodbye" but Cooper/Letwin has made that illegal so it's revocation time.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 20,607

    Surely the main question is whether David Coburn will any longer bestride the national and international stage?

    I see the infamous Nazi Pug ex-youtuber "Count Dankula" is standing for Ukip in Scotland.

    What larks.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 28,775
    ydoethur said:

    Guten Abend, meine Bruder.

    My German is not all it might be, but shouldn't that be 'mein Brüder?'
    Mein Bruder, singular. Meine Brüder, plural.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 46,486
    RobD said:

    Alright PB, who is Perfidious Albion on Dope?

    Not sure, but in this picture DD looks like he had a bad trip...

  • isamisam Posts: 27,191
    Chris said:

    I reckon politicians mostly have a psychological disorder that would make it very difficult to step aside voluntarily and let others take power, no matter how little power and for how short a time.
    Haha yes, I think the last 3 years prove your point very well!
  • isam said:

    Fpt

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    The official figures on homelessness don't show any surge at all: https://www.homeless.org.uk/facts/homelessness-in-numbers/statutory-homelessness

    Overall applications are down slightly over the last 5 years, accepted applications are up slightly. It is a disappointingly static picture given addressing this was supposed to be a priority but a surge it isn't.

    And yet the evidence of our own eyes tells us a completely different story.
    I think what we are seeing is more rough sleeping, as Richard mentioned earlier. It is a lot more obvious than people in overcrowded conditions or sofa surfing. It has clearly increased since Romania joined the EU and we received a lot more professional beggars than we had before.
    I don't know what it's like round your bit but there aren't many Romanian rough sleepers in Glasgow. To use a favourite Brexitty right trope, why would they come over here to take advantage of the UK benefit system then make it much harder for themselves to do so?

    In any case, as suggested in the recent 60 Days On The Streets programme, Glasgow at least seems to have made a dent in rough sleeping compared to other places.

    'But after arriving during the coldest part of winter, what he found waiting for him on the streets of Glasgow took him by surprise.
    “It was really positive, he explains. “There was a bed first policy and so many positive things going on, including the joined-up thinking and how all the organisations talk to each other. There was even an organisation that was set up to allow the different, fragmented organisations set up for homeless people to communicate with each other...

    “There was more examples of people with their cases being solved, due to the progressive policies up in Scotland. I think it will be a bit of a light at the end of quite a dark tunnel in terms of the first two episodes. There was a lot that English local authorities and charities could learn from in the way things are being done.” '

    https://tinyurl.com/y4mrmhto


    40% of London's rough sleepers are UK National's

    https://www.nao.org.uk/naoblog/growing-number-of-rough-sleepers/
    ...and 80% of the UK's are UK nationals, as the link showed.

    -Which might also explain why the rough sleepers in the west end at christmas appeared to be english people from outside London.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,526

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Alright PB, who is Perfidious Albion on Dope?
    Has to be someone with a long history of anti French comments.

    I can’t think of anyone regularly denigrates the nation of collaborators.
    That would make them a jolly good egg indeed.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 28,775
    Perfidious Albion on Acid.

    image
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 14,994
    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Alright PB, who is Perfidious Albion on Dope?
    All of them!
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 5,243
    AndyJS said:

    I mentioned on the last thread and repeat for relevance, the mighty SDP have ruled out standing in the euros so that's 0.1% the Brexit party can get. Patrick OFlynn will be the PPC for any Peterborough by election

    Disappointing. It would have been interesting to see how much support they have. Are the TIGs intending to stand in the Euros?
    Yep that's why they are becoming a party. To do so
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,612

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Alright PB, who is Perfidious Albion on Dope?
    Has to be someone with a long history of anti French comments.

    I can’t think of anyone regularly denigrates the nation of collaborators.
    There's nobody on here who would ever say such a thing about the cheese eating wine guzzling sex crazed surrender monkeys.
  • isamisam Posts: 27,191

    isam said:

    Fpt

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    The official figures on homelessness don't show any surge at all: https://www.homeless.org.uk/facts/homelessness-in-numbers/statutory-homelessness

    Overall applications are down slightly over the last 5 years, accepted applications are up slightly. It is a disappointingly static picture given addressing this was supposed to be a priority but a surge it isn't.

    And yet the evidence of our own eyes tells us a completely different story.
    I think what we are seeing is more rough sleeping, as Richard mentioned earlier. It is a lot more obvious than people in overcrowded conditions or sofa surfing. It has clearly increased since Romania joined the EU and we received a lot more professional beggars than we had before.
    I don't know what it's like round your bit but there aren't many Romanian rough sleepers in Glasgow. To use a favourite Brexitty right trope, why would they come over here to take advantage of the UK benefit system then make it much harder for themselves to do so?

    In any case, as suggested in the recent 60 Days On The Streets programme, Glasgow at least seems to have made a dent in rough sleeping compared to other places.

    'But after arriving during the coldest part of winter, what he found waiting for him on the streets of Glasgow took him by surprise.
    “It was really positive, he explains. “There was a bed first policy and so many positive things going on, including the joined-up thinking and how all the organisations talk to each other. There was even an organisation that was set up to allow the different, fragmented organisations set up for homeless people to communicate with each other...

    “There was more examples of people with their cases being solved, due to the progressive policies up in Scotland. I think it will be a bit of a light at the end of quite a dark tunnel in terms of the first two episodes. There was a lot that English local authorities and charities could learn from in the way things are being done.” '

    https://tinyurl.com/y4mrmhto


    40% of London's rough sleepers are UK National's

    https://www.nao.org.uk/naoblog/growing-number-of-rough-sleepers/
    ...and 80% of the UK's are UK nationals, as the link showed.

    -Which might also explain why the rough sleepers in the west end at christmas appeared to be english people from outside London.
    What % of the UK population are UK nationals?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 2,850
    The disgraced former defence secretary and General Practitioner/wannabe trade expert, Liam Fox says CU is a bad idea.

    Must be good then.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,612

    ydoethur said:

    Guten Abend, meine Bruder.

    My German is not all it might be, but shouldn't that be 'mein Brüder?'
    Mein Bruder, singular. Meine Brüder, plural.
    Right.

    So actually we were both wrong?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,526

    Perfidious Albion on Acid.

    image

    Interesting. Is that a ministerial flag?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 20,607

    The disgraced former defence secretary and General Practitioner/wannabe trade expert, Liam Fox says CU is a bad idea.

    Must be good then.

    Can't believe the remainers lost the referendum with the reduction of everything to personalities.

  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 2,850
    stodge said:

    A reporter has asked them how many years do they think it will take before the UK comes begging to be let back in. Macron has answered in sign language.
    So when the EU refuse an extension May could have responded with the Peter Cook/Dudley Moore version of "Goodbye" but Cooper/Letwin has made that illegal so it's revocation time.
    Let's hope you are right!

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 25,690

    Surely the main question is whether David Coburn will any longer bestride the national and international stage?

    Is he standing? I think he (along with practically everyone else) fell out with UKIP last year.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,526

    The disgraced former defence secretary and General Practitioner/wannabe trade expert, Liam Fox says CU is a bad idea.

    Must be good then.

    Being stuck inside one does seem to be a terrible idea. No wonder Corbyn is all for it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 25,177
    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Alright PB, who is Perfidious Albion on Dope?
    Has to be someone with a long history of anti French comments.

    I can’t think of anyone regularly denigrates the nation of collaborators.
    There's nobody on here who would ever say such a thing about the cheese eating wine guzzling sex crazed surrender monkeys.
    Isn't there something about three hour boozy lunches?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 7,063

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Alright PB, who is Perfidious Albion on Dope?
    Has to be someone with a long history of anti French comments.

    I can’t think of anyone regularly denigrates the nation of collaborators.
    I don't really reckon alternate history as a genre, but I am going to write one just for you about WW2. The initial facts will be identical except that the English Channel was completely filled in in the 1930s in a mega Keynsian work creation scheme.

    You will not enjoy this book.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,612
    RobD said:

    Perfidious Albion on Acid.

    image

    Interesting. Is that a ministerial flag?
    Looks more like a disgraced national security risk to me.

    (Just to save TSE the effort and concomitant blood pressure spike.)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 25,690
    isam said:

    Fpt

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    The official figures on homelessness don't show any surge at all: https://www.homeless.org.uk/facts/homelessness-in-numbers/statutory-homelessness

    Overall applications are down slightly over the last 5 years, accepted applications are up slightly. It is a disappointingly static picture given addressing this was supposed to be a priority but a surge it isn't.

    And yet the evidence of our own eyes tells us a completely different story.
    I think what we are seeing is more rough sleeping, as Richard mentioned earlier. It is a lot more obvious than people in overcrowded conditions or sofa surfing. It has clearly increased since Romania joined the EU and we received a lot more professional beggars than we had before.
    I don't know what it's like round your bit but there aren't many Romanian rough sleepers in Glasgow. To use a favourite Brexitty right trope, why would they come over here to take advantage of the UK benefit system then make it much harder for themselves to do so?

    In any case, as suggested in the recent 60 Days On The Streets programme, Glasgow at least seems to have made a dent in rough sleeping compared to other places.

    'But after arriving during the coldest part of winter, what he found waiting for him on the streets of Glasgow took him by surprise.
    “It was really positive, he explains. “There was a bed first policy and so many positive things going on, including the joined-up thinking and how all the organisations talk to each other. There was even an organisation that was set up to allow the different, fragmented organisations set up for homeless people to communicate with each other...

    “There was more examples of people with their cases being solved, due to the progressive policies up in Scotland. I think it will be a bit of a light at the end of quite a dark tunnel in terms of the first two episodes. There was a lot that English local authorities and charities could learn from in the way things are being done.” '

    https://tinyurl.com/y4mrmhto


    40% of London's rough sleepers are UK National's

    https://www.nao.org.uk/naoblog/growing-number-of-rough-sleepers/
    There's a lot of Romanian beggars around the Royal Mile but there are also several white males who seem to be Scottish, usually with some drink/drug habit issues. Edinburgh maybe needs to learn a bit from Glasgow.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 22,749
    Yes, my thinking exactly. Who cares what MEPs we send to enjoy their expense allowances in Brussels and Strasbourg for a few months? And why should the EU care - other MEPs can always take their headphones off and play Fortnite on their smartphones while some British headbanger rants.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 75,311
    edited April 9
    RobD said:

    Perfidious Albion on Acid.

    image

    Interesting. Is that a ministerial flag?
    Flag of the Board of Trade.

    Liam Fox is also President of the Board of Trade.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,612

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Alright PB, who is Perfidious Albion on Dope?
    Has to be someone with a long history of anti French comments.

    I can’t think of anyone regularly denigrates the nation of collaborators.
    There's nobody on here who would ever say such a thing about the cheese eating wine guzzling sex crazed surrender monkeys.
    Isn't there something about three hour boozy lunches?
    Is there? Where do I sign up?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 14,827
    DavidL said:

    Surely the main question is whether David Coburn will any longer bestride the national and international stage?

    Is he standing? I think he (along with practically everyone else) fell out with UKIP last year.
    He's in the Brexit Party now. I doubt Coburn could resist a last hurrah of media attention which I assume he'd get as an incumbent.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 2,850
    TGOHF said:

    The disgraced former defence secretary and General Practitioner/wannabe trade expert, Liam Fox says CU is a bad idea.

    Must be good then.

    Can't believe the remainers lost the referendum with the reduction of everything to personalities.

    Na, not sure we actually lost. It's very marginal nature and the pernicious influence of at least one hostile foreign power and all that, somewhat calls it into question.

    Also, as I said the other day if Leavers had been a little more dignified in their marginal victory, rather than gloating, they might have taken the moral high ground. Your post is yet another example as to why they didn't, and why they did not. Too late now, as they never will.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,526

    RobD said:

    Perfidious Albion on Acid.

    image

    Interesting. Is that a ministerial flag?
    Flag of the Board of Trade.

    Liam Fox is also President of the Board of Trade.

    Cheers. Was Fox going for an Elizabeth I vibe here?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 75,311
    Ishmael_Z said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Alright PB, who is Perfidious Albion on Dope?
    Has to be someone with a long history of anti French comments.

    I can’t think of anyone regularly denigrates the nation of collaborators.
    I don't really reckon alternate history as a genre, but I am going to write one just for you about WW2. The initial facts will be identical except that the English Channel was completely filled in in the 1930s in a mega Keynsian work creation scheme.

    You will not enjoy this book.
    Sounds like seditious talk to me.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 14,994
    Lovely line from Matt Hancock on the Beeb:

    'voting Conservative “used to be something people started to think about doing when they got their first paycheck – now it’s when they get their first winter fuel allowance.”

  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,526

    TGOHF said:

    The disgraced former defence secretary and General Practitioner/wannabe trade expert, Liam Fox says CU is a bad idea.

    Must be good then.

    Can't believe the remainers lost the referendum with the reduction of everything to personalities.

    Na, not sure we actually lost. It's very marginal nature and the pernicious influence of at least one hostile foreign power and all that, somewhat calls it into question.

    Also, as I said the other day if Leavers had been a little more dignified in their marginal victory, rather than gloating, they might have taken the moral high ground. Your post is yet another example as to why they didn't, and why they did not. Too late now, as they never will.
    Ah yes, it was the Russians wot lost it. Not the rather mediocre product that Remain was trying sell.
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,134
    It is difficult to see why anyone would make the effort to vote Tory if there are to be EU elections. What would you be trying to say? Hurrah for creating another 9 months of internal backbiting and recrimination, continued uncertainty for business and the frazzled populace and conceivably a customs union based Brexit that negates the advantages of Brexit.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,612
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Perfidious Albion on Acid.

    image

    Interesting. Is that a ministerial flag?
    Flag of the Board of Trade.

    Liam Fox is also President of the Board of Trade.

    Cheers. Was Fox going for an Elizabeth I vibe here?
    He's certainly virgin on the ridiculous.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,736
    Apologies for the absence of an umlaut, bit of a pain to do.

    On gender, I once provoked a marvellously exasperated expression from my German Lehrer when I asked if a brother who had a sex change operation would be a Bruderin.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 2,850

    RobD said:

    Perfidious Albion on Acid.

    image

    Interesting. Is that a ministerial flag?
    Flag of the Board of Trade.

    Liam Fox is also President of the Board of Trade.

    Ludicrous! I am wondering when Lord Sugar will become President of the BMA Council.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,526
    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Perfidious Albion on Acid.

    image

    Interesting. Is that a ministerial flag?
    Flag of the Board of Trade.

    Liam Fox is also President of the Board of Trade.

    Cheers. Was Fox going for an Elizabeth I vibe here?
    He's certainly virgin on the ridiculous.
    You’re a machine :D
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 7,419
    kle4 said:

    They're psychologically a big deal. If we have them chances are they serve a full term.

    And what does sitting them out achieve if that happens?
    Psychologically it might have sent a strong message to the ERG types.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,736
    Mr. Doethur, that's a bit ruff.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,612
    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Perfidious Albion on Acid.

    image

    Interesting. Is that a ministerial flag?
    Flag of the Board of Trade.

    Liam Fox is also President of the Board of Trade.

    Cheers. Was Fox going for an Elizabeth I vibe here?
    He's certainly virgin on the ridiculous.
    You’re a machine :D
    Really, Mr D, we agreed to keep that private...
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 20,607

    TGOHF said:

    The disgraced former defence secretary and General Practitioner/wannabe trade expert, Liam Fox says CU is a bad idea.

    Must be good then.

    Can't believe the remainers lost the referendum with the reduction of everything to personalities.

    Na, not sure we actually lost.
    Well there's another reason ...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 14,827
    edited April 9

    Ishmael_Z said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Alright PB, who is Perfidious Albion on Dope?
    Has to be someone with a long history of anti French comments.

    I can’t think of anyone regularly denigrates the nation of collaborators.
    I don't really reckon alternate history as a genre, but I am going to write one just for you about WW2. The initial facts will be identical except that the English Channel was completely filled in in the 1930s in a mega Keynsian work creation scheme.

    You will not enjoy this book.
    Sounds like seditious talk to me.
    There may have been an equally heroic evacuation of the BEF carried out by milk floats & wheelbarrows across the plain of Dunkerque. Unfortunately they were all squashed by Panzers 10 miles from Dover.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,526
    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    ydoethur said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Perfidious Albion on Acid.

    image

    Interesting. Is that a ministerial flag?
    Flag of the Board of Trade.

    Liam Fox is also President of the Board of Trade.

    Cheers. Was Fox going for an Elizabeth I vibe here?
    He's certainly virgin on the ridiculous.
    You’re a machine :D
    Really, Mr D, we agreed to keep that private...
    :o :blush:
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