If it means so much to Bone, why does he not resign the whip in protest? I don't think the Brexit supporting MPs have been squeezed hard enough as none are willing to walk away from the party and if they do Boris becoming PM diminishes...
Macron being very no dealish according to Rigby, no serious idea on table
You can imagine him thinking: I say Non and then either les Rosbifs revoke (and we make fun of them forever),or they pass the WA in a panic (and we make fun of them forever while passing whatever rules we like to choke their industry) or they No Deal (and probably crawl back in a few weeks to sign the WA anyway). Their gouvernement has shown itself so useless that they won't make a success of their economy outside the EU anyway. Where is the downside?
Macron being very no dealish according to Rigby, no serious idea on table
You can imagine him thinking: I say Non and then either les Rosbifs revoke (and we make fun of them forever),or they pass the WA in a panic (and we make fun of them forever while passing whatever rules we like to choke their industry) or they No Deal (and probably crawl back in a few weeks to sign the WA anyway). Their gouvernement has shown itself so useless that they won't make a success of their economy outside the EU anyway. Where is the downside?
Two public schoolboys arguing over which of them went to a ‘better’ school. Even PB’s falsely modest Cowley Tech / Fen Poly wank is more bearable.
I think old Fathead takes the biscuit, after accepting an Honorary Doctorate of Business from Plymouth University....he has never run a business and Plymouth Poly shakes head...
If it means so much to Bone, why does he not resign the whip in protest? I don't think the Brexit supporting MPs have been squeezed hard enough as none are willing to walk away from the party and if they do Boris becoming PM diminishes...
Brave move with an election round the corner, and since there's no party/whip discipline anyway it's an empty move.
Not tonight but I think the Cabinet will end May's time as PM tomorrow or Friday.
How?
1. Making it clear she herself is a roadblock to getting the WA passed because Labour won't sign up knowing there will be a new Con leader who might tear everything up after she's departed.
2. Threaten a mass resignation if she doesn't stand down as Con leader. We already know Hancock, Hunt and Javid are in campaign mode... For anyone who wants to succeed Theresa it's in their interests to push her under the proverbial bus once she's secured the extension.
Reporting here from planet normal (I’m with the in laws). Seems to me that most nonpolitical people have now largely forgotten about Brexit and assume it’s no longer happening.
Anecdotal, obviously,
At my work management meeting on Tuesday we agreed to drop Brexit risks from one of the 5 biggest risks facing the business down to 20th on the grounds that it was not imminent and might never happen. Nobody dissented from that analysis.
I have this awful feeling - and I really hope I am wrong - that the EU will just say to us: "no. You cannot make up your mind. You cannot get anything through Parliament. If we give you more time you will just waste it. We cannot risk you electing MEPs to our Parliament who will behave like incontinent children and try and smash the place up. If you cannot agree to the WA, you will have to exit without a deal or Revoke, both of which are entirely in your power.
If you revoke we will welcome you back with open arms. The EU is better with you in it. We think it is better for you too. But we are not going to carry on indulging this nonsense where you expect us to keep pulling you out of the hole you keep on digging yourself into. Take back control, please. And make a decision. You have until the Easter weekend to make up your mind."
Two public schoolboys arguing over which of them went to a ‘better’ school. Even PB’s falsely modest Cowley Tech / Fen Poly wank is more bearable.
I think old Fathead takes the biscuit, after accepting an Honorary Doctorate of Business from Plymouth University....he has never run a business and Plymouth Poly shakes head...
Is it not just plain rude to turn down an hon. doctorate? Everyone knows it has no academic bearing.
Thanks but no thanks, your university is shit, is not a good look surely?
Not tonight but I think the Cabinet will end May's time as PM tomorrow or Friday.
How?
1. Making it clear she herself is a roadblock to getting the WA passed because Labour won't sign up knowing there will be a new Con leader who might tear everything up after she's departed.
2. Threaten a mass resignation if she doesn't stand down as Con leader. We already know Hancock, Hunt and Javid are in campaign mode... For anyone who wants to succeed Theresa it's in their interests to push her under the proverbial bus once she's secured the extension.
Reporting here from planet normal (I’m with the in laws). Seems to me that most nonpolitical people have now largely forgotten about Brexit and assume it’s no longer happening.
Anecdotal, obviously,
At my work management meeting on Tuesday we agreed to drop Brexit risks from one of the 5 biggest risks facing the business down to 20th on the grounds that it was not imminent and might never happen. Nobody dissented from that analysis.
I have this awful feeling - and I really hope I am wrong - that the EU will just say to us: "no. You cannot make up your mind. You cannot get anything through Parliament. If we give you more time you will just waste it. We cannot risk you electing MEPs to our Parliament who will behave like incontinent children and try and smash the place up. If you cannot agree to the WA, you will have to exit without a deal or Revoke, both of which are entirely in your power.
If you revoke we will welcome you back with open arms. The EU is better with you in it. We think it is better for you too. But we are not going to carry on indulging this nonsense where you expect us to keep pulling you out of the hole you keep on digging yourself into. Take back control, please. And make a decision. You have until the Easter weekend to make up your mind."
I hope I'm wrong.
I hope you're right. It would concentrate what convention obliges us to call MP's minds.
Not tonight but I think the Cabinet will end May's time as PM tomorrow or Friday.
How?
1. Making it clear she herself is a roadblock to getting the WA passed because Labour won't sign up knowing there will be a new Con leader who might tear everything up after she's departed.
2. Threaten a mass resignation if she doesn't stand down as Con leader. We already know Hancock, Hunt and Javid are in campaign mode... For anyone who wants to succeed Theresa it's in their interests to push her under the proverbial bus once she's secured the extension.
Reporting here from planet normal (I’m with the in laws). Seems to me that most nonpolitical people have now largely forgotten about Brexit and assume it’s no longer happening.
Anecdotal, obviously,
At my work management meeting on Tuesday we agreed to drop Brexit risks from one of the 5 biggest risks facing the business down to 20th on the grounds that it was not imminent and might never happen. Nobody dissented from that analysis.
I have this awful feeling - and I really hope I am wrong - that the EU will just say to us: "no. You cannot make up your mind. You cannot get anything through Parliament. If we give you more time you will just waste it. We cannot risk you electing MEPs to our Parliament who will behave like incontinent children and try and smash the place up. If you cannot agree to the WA, you will have to exit without a deal or Revoke, both of which are entirely in your power.
If you revoke we will welcome you back with open arms. The EU is better with you in it. We think it is better for you too. But we are not going to carry on indulging this nonsense where you expect us to keep pulling you out of the hole you keep on digging yourself into. Take back control, please. And make a decision. You have until the Easter weekend to make up your mind."
I hope I'm wrong.
I hope you're right. It would concentrate what convention obliges us to call MP's minds.
And of course every MPs vote to revoke, to not revoke and for No Deal or for abstention would be recorded for all their constituents and party members to see
I'm listening to "The Prime Minister's: David Lloyd George" on BBC Sounds. Gordon Brown is in it briefly. Damn, I do miss him (Brown, not DLG). Although I acknowledge the well-readoned objections to him by @Richard_Nabavi and others...
Judging by the usual Brexit related twitter feeds tonight, everyone, whatever side, is totally losing the plot.
FFS calm down.
Indeed so. Particularly the alleged 'reports' from within the EU27 discussions. I mean, how plausible is it that Sky and the Irish Times have moles surreptitiously WhatsApping them from the dinner table?
Reporting here from planet normal (I’m with the in laws). Seems to me that most nonpolitical people have now largely forgotten about Brexit and assume it’s no longer happening.
Anecdotal, obviously,
At my work management meeting on Tuesday we agreed to drop Brexit risks from one of the 5 biggest risks facing the business down to 20th on the grounds that it was not imminent and might never happen. Nobody dissented from that analysis.
It's going to be interesting to see how Brexit features in the news media going forward.
For a long time now, it's been the number 1 story on TV news almost every single day.
But TV news editors must be conscious that people have short attention spans and will be getting bored.
If there's a short extension then of course it'll remain prominent. But if there's a long extension I do wonder whether TV news editors are going to dramatically reduce its prominence - and if they do then to some extent it may become a self-fulfilling prophecy - less publicity = people lose interest = people move onto other things = politicians move onto other things. And it's then less of a stretch to just not bother - forget it and abandon it.
Yes this is quite a likely scenario I think. Up to now I have been expecting a second referendum but I am beginning to wonder if there will just be an endless series of extensions and eventually A50 will be revoked because everyone will have forgotten what was the point of leaving in the first place.
Two public schoolboys arguing over which of them went to a ‘better’ school. Even PB’s falsely modest Cowley Tech / Fen Poly wank is more bearable.
I think old Fathead takes the biscuit, after accepting an Honorary Doctorate of Business from Plymouth University....he has never run a business and Plymouth Poly shakes head...
Is it not just plain rude to turn down an hon. doctorate? Everyone knows it has no academic bearing.
Thanks but no thanks, your university is shit, is not a good look surely?
Isn’t it just honest to turn down an honorary degree?
I mean, you didn’t do the work ?
There is a case for retaining honorary degrees for people who may have missed out on formal education but nonetheless have carried out exceptional work (e.g., amateur astronomers or amateur natural historians, etc).
But, there is no real reason for picking some of the great and good and rewarding them with an “honorary degree”.
Not tonight but I think the Cabinet will end May's time as PM tomorrow or Friday.
How?
1. Making it clear she herself is a roadblock to getting the WA passed because Labour won't sign up knowing there will be a new Con leader who might tear everything up after she's departed.
2. Threaten a mass resignation if she doesn't stand down as Con leader. We already know Hancock, Hunt and Javid are in campaign mode... For anyone who wants to succeed Theresa it's in their interests to push her under the proverbial bus once she's secured the extension.
She could just tell them to go fuck themselves
She could... But she won't.
I agree that she probably won’t put it in quite those words!
If there's a short extension then of course it'll remain prominent. But if there's a long extension I do wonder whether TV news editors are going to dramatically reduce its prominence - and if they do then to some extent it may become a self-fulfilling prophecy - less publicity = people lose interest = people move onto other things = politicians move onto other things. And it's then less of a stretch to just not bother - forget it and abandon it.
The bandwagon will roll on to a Con leadership election (won't that be fun) EU and local elections and eventually a general election, IMO.
Brexit will remain the dark cloud hanging over all of it.
Judging by the usual Brexit related twitter feeds tonight, everyone, whatever side, is totally losing the plot.
FFS calm down.
Indeed so. Particularly the alleged 'reports' from within the EU27 discussions. I mean, how plausible is it that Sky and the Irish Times have moles surreptitiously WhatsApping them from the dinner table?
Why not? Our Cabinet ministers livestream their meetings.
Judging by the usual Brexit related twitter feeds tonight, everyone, whatever side, is totally losing the plot.
FFS calm down.
Indeed so. Particularly the alleged 'reports' from within the EU27 discussions. I mean, how plausible is it that Sky and the Irish Times have moles surreptitiously WhatsApping them from the dinner table?
Why not? Our Cabinet ministers livestream their meetings.
Indeed. As I suggest upthread I think that narrative has already begun. Hence why the Brexiteers said, over and over again, “we’re leaving on 29 March, get over it,” and “sorry, we are out on 29 March, you lost”. Looking back on this forum alone shows how clear they were about that.
Given that the Remainers were jubilant about winning Cooper-Letwin by one vote, it would be hilarious if the extension was refused and we headed to No Deal by just the one vote of Macron....
Two public schoolboys arguing over which of them went to a ‘better’ school. Even PB’s falsely modest Cowley Tech / Fen Poly wank is more bearable.
I think old Fathead takes the biscuit, after accepting an Honorary Doctorate of Business from Plymouth University....he has never run a business and Plymouth Poly shakes head...
Is it not just plain rude to turn down an hon. doctorate? Everyone knows it has no academic bearing.
Thanks but no thanks, your university is shit, is not a good look surely?
Isn’t it just honest to turn down an honorary degree?
I mean, you didn’t do the work ?
There is a case for retaining honorary degrees for people who may have missed out on formal education but nonetheless have carried out exceptional work (e.g., amateur astronomers or amateur natural historians, etc).
But, there is no real reason for picking some of the great and good and rewarding them with an “honorary degree”.
The point is all degrees are technically honorary and awarded in recognition of something the university values. That might be a programme of study, or it might be other achievements outside. The 'PhD by publication,' where a body of research is accepted rather than a thesis, is another example.
The difference with an honorary degree, as we call them, is that they don't count towards career advancement elsewhere and cannot be used except to decide status on formal occasions at the awarding university.
Judging by the usual Brexit related twitter feeds tonight, everyone, whatever side, is totally losing the plot.
FFS calm down.
Indeed so. Particularly the alleged 'reports' from within the EU27 discussions. I mean, how plausible is it that Sky and the Irish Times have moles surreptitiously WhatsApping them from the dinner table?
Why not? Our Cabinet ministers livestream their meetings.
Good point! I'm showing my age.
Not if their phones are taken by the Cabinet Sec. at the door.
Two public schoolboys arguing over which of them went to a ‘better’ school. Even PB’s falsely modest Cowley Tech / Fen Poly wank is more bearable.
I think old Fathead takes the biscuit, after accepting an Honorary Doctorate of Business from Plymouth University....he has never run a business and Plymouth Poly shakes head...
Is it not just plain rude to turn down an hon. doctorate? Everyone knows it has no academic bearing.
Thanks but no thanks, your university is shit, is not a good look surely?
Isn’t it just honest to turn down an honorary degree?
I mean, you didn’t do the work ?
There is a case for retaining honorary degrees for people who may have missed out on formal education but nonetheless have carried out exceptional work (e.g., amateur astronomers or amateur natural historians, etc).
But, there is no real reason for picking some of the great and good and rewarding them with an “honorary degree”.
Given that the Remainers were jubilant about winning Cooper-Letwin by one vote, it would be hilarious if the extension was refused and we headed to No Deal by just the one vote of Macron....
Reporting here from planet normal (I’m with the in laws). Seems to me that most nonpolitical people have now largely forgotten about Brexit and assume it’s no longer happening.
Anecdotal, obviously,
At my work management meeting on Tuesday we agreed to drop Brexit risks from one of the 5 biggest risks facing the business down to 20th on the grounds that it was not imminent and might never happen. Nobody dissented from that analysis.
It's going to be interesting to see how Brexit features in the news media going forward.
For a long time now, it's been the number 1 story on TV news almost every single day.
But TV news editors must be conscious that people have short attention spans and will be getting bored.
If there's a short extension then of course it'll remain prominent. But if there's a long extension I do wonder whether TV news editors are going to dramatically reduce its prominence - and if they do then to some extent it may become a self-fulfilling prophecy - less publicity = people lose interest = people move onto other things = politicians move onto other things. And it's then less of a stretch to just not bother - forget it and abandon it.
Yes this is quite a likely scenario I think. Up to now I have been expecting a second referendum but I am beginning to wonder if there will just be an endless series of extensions and eventually A50 will be revoked because everyone will have forgotten what was the point of leaving in the first place.
The campaigners' reports from the doorsteps do rather suggest otherwise.
The famous “chemist” Elena Ceausescu amassed over a hundred honorary degrees and honorary professorships.
She was honoured by the UK’s Royal Institute for Chemistry and the University of London for her “distinguished scientific achievements in macromolecular chemistry”.
I think I rest my case. It is better to get rid of these “honours” which demean the giver, but pander to the vanity of the recipient.
There is no need for honorary degrees or honorary professorships or honorary anything.
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I don't know why Arlene has got a strop on about this, isn't it what she actually wanted?
I say Non and then either les Rosbifs revoke (and we make fun of them forever),or they pass the WA in a panic (and we make fun of them forever while passing whatever rules we like to choke their industry) or they No Deal (and probably crawl back in a few weeks to sign the WA anyway).
Their gouvernement has shown itself so useless that they won't make a success of their economy outside the EU anyway.
Where is the downside?
QTWTAIN
#justsaying
FFS calm down.
2. Threaten a mass resignation if she doesn't stand down as Con leader. We already know Hancock, Hunt and Javid are in campaign mode... For anyone who wants to succeed Theresa it's in their interests to push her under the proverbial bus once she's secured the extension.
If you revoke we will welcome you back with open arms. The EU is better with you in it. We think it is better for you too. But we are not going to carry on indulging this nonsense where you expect us to keep pulling you out of the hole you keep on digging yourself into. Take back control, please. And make a decision. You have until the Easter weekend to make up your mind."
I hope I'm wrong.
Thanks but no thanks, your university is shit, is not a good look surely?
If May stated she saw the sun rise in the East I'd question it...
2020!!
I think Private Francois will blow his own head off, shouting 'never'.
https://twitter.com/GeorgeGreenwood/status/1115972193278676992
I mean, you didn’t do the work ?
There is a case for retaining honorary degrees for people who may have missed out on formal education but nonetheless have carried out exceptional work (e.g., amateur astronomers or amateur natural historians, etc).
But, there is no real reason for picking some of the great and good and rewarding them with an “honorary degree”.
The bandwagon will roll on to a Con leadership election (won't that be fun) EU and local elections and eventually a general election, IMO.
Brexit will remain the dark cloud hanging over all of it.
Indeed. As I suggest upthread I think that narrative has already begun. Hence why the Brexiteers said, over and over again, “we’re leaving on 29 March, get over it,” and “sorry, we are out on 29 March, you lost”. Looking back on this forum alone shows how clear they were about that.
Once a ‘deadline’ slips...
The difference with an honorary degree, as we call them, is that they don't count towards career advancement elsewhere and cannot be used except to decide status on formal occasions at the awarding university.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/may-brexit-extension-delay-prime-minister-resign-2020-a8864286.html
I hear the flap of white coats.
So it's going to be September isn't it?
Ne'er cast a clout till May be out.
The famous “chemist” Elena Ceausescu amassed over a hundred honorary degrees and honorary professorships.
She was honoured by the UK’s Royal Institute for Chemistry and the University of London for her “distinguished scientific achievements in macromolecular chemistry”.
I think I rest my case. It is better to get rid of these “honours” which demean the giver, but pander to the vanity of the recipient.
There is no need for honorary degrees or honorary professorships or honorary anything.