Well, yes, but by accident rather than design she does nail him. His answer to the final question (Arron Banks, £1m) is not no.
She is a bit clever there asking if Arron Banks had expressed an interest in the party (yes) and then expands that to saying he wants to fund the party (no). It sounded to me like he did say no on the last poin, but he does describe it as an ‘attempt’ to fund through small donations.
Farage is bloody good at getting himself and his party in the news
But that's the point.
He is never off the BBC. If they gave him as much coverage as the BNP he would have been just as successful as the BNP
Basically you are complaining that Farage is good at his job. Maybe the washed-up Lib Dems could try copying him? How rubbish are the Lib Dems when Brexit has been the issue of the day for going on 4 years now that the Lib Dems can barely make themselves heard?
Farage runs rings around other parties when it comes to campaigning.
His raison d'etre was to get the UK to leave the EU. And true we haven't yet left. But the campaign he lived and breathed for, and was the figurehead for and embodied was successful.
"less likely than ever" - perhaps, perhaps not we shall see; it was certainly a lot more likely just after EURef2016. Plus I am not a fan of "we can't leave". Oh of course we shouldn't, and not on Francois terms, but the UK can leave the EU and might still do so.
He also thought the UK leaving would lead the whole EU project collapsing, and it looks stronger than ever.
I wish him much more similar "success"
I think the EU collapsing was the cherry on the cake for him. He didn't campaign for it, while he did campaign for us to leave the EU, which we duly voted to do and as I said, who knows we may still actually leave.
In polite company a few months ago I silenced the dining table and drew all kinds of fearsome looks by observing that Nigel Farage was arguably the most successful politician in decades.
Well I say you spoke an undeniable truth.
Oh and your 'no smoking rule' analogy the other day, yes, very good.
Question would be, is Jez a smoker or does he smell a bit because he's been on the top deck of the bus.
That is what I used to tell my parents when I was a teenager. And it was sometimes true.
It is sufficient that enough people think he is a smoker for it not to matter whether he is one. And to torture the analogy slightly further, he has not made any effort to get those people he was with, who were actually smoking, to quit.
I see the PB Tories (Brexiteer Division) are dipping their toes in the Brexit Party bath water, just to see how it feels. Weirdly sharing that water with Farage seems to be a plus..
Direct democracy is demagogueocracy. That is why it is such a stupid idea.
No I'm not a fan either.
I do think it can be suitable for questions that are both very simple to understand and at the same time not important.
For example, whose face should be on the new £20 note, Alan Turing or Alan Shearer? (assuming it has to be an Alan).
But then this raises the very real concern that such matters do not merit the time and expense of a Referendum, the infrastructure required, the national campaigns, the TV debates etc etc.
My conclusion, therefore, is that it is best to not have them at all.
Before the Election, 'An Independence From Europe' were going to take so many votes from UKIP by way of voters accidentally voting for them that the kippers wouldn't win the Euros... then, after Farage and Co won, and I suggested AIFE's votes could be added to UKIP's for our discussion purposes as they were clearly the party the vote was intended for, the meme that UKIP had underperformed was so strong that AIFE's votes were their property alone!
Addressing @AlastairMeeks's point, for non betting purposes, does it matter if UKIP/Brexit split the Brexit vote, or TIG/LD do the same on the other side of the fence? Going forward, we will know how motivated the different sides are from the combined vote %s. I don't think the number of seats obtained is really that important
Assuming we put Labour down as pro-EU and the Tories down as anti-EU, don't you think that at least some importance wil be placed on who gets most seats? Who the largest single winner of seats or votes is?
I'm not suggesting it is like a GE where every seat counts at small majorities, but it will set at least some of the tone.
I think the most interesting result is that of UKIP + Brexit vs LD + TIG (vote percentage).
That's a good point. Splitting the vote is important in some ways, but as we'll just be treating it as proxy referendum on Brexit it doesn't hugely matter which toaster you pop your slice of bread in.
I wouldn’t have given the Brexit Party a chance before Change UK emerged. The BBC will now want to cover them and as such with a veteran leader of another party and MEP, they will almost have to give BP as much coverage as CHUK. This will probably hit Tory and UKIP votes for BP and Labour and Libdem for CHUK. I cannot see it having a great impact in Scotland, and the greens seem to be distinctive enough, though they might get hit by far left coalescing around Corbyn
Basically you are complaining that Farage is good at his job.
No, I am complaining that the BBC give him more airtime than he deserves.
Nigel Farage is reportedly set to achieve the joint highest number of Question Time appearances this century when he appears on the BBC show tomorrow night.
The former Ukip leader will make his 32nd appearance on the show as it airs from Blackpool – with the tally only matched by former Chancellor Ken Clarke.
Basically you are complaining that Farage is good at his job.
No, I am complaining that the BBC give him more airtime than he deserves.
Nigel Farage is reportedly set to achieve the joint highest number of Question Time appearances this century when he appears on the BBC show tomorrow night.
The former Ukip leader will make his 32nd appearance on the show as it airs from Blackpool – with the tally only matched by former Chancellor Ken Clarke.
WATO interviewing rape victim on attitude of Labour leadership to Assange and whether Wikileaks is a “get out of jail free card” on rape allegations - with Labour MP Diane Johnson not happy either.
Yeah, how awful they interview the guy that won the last European Parliament elections...
Seriously all these remainers terrified of people being allowed to hear an opposing viewpoint says everything about the weakness of their own views.
They are literally complaining that a new pro Brexit party launched today to fight the European Parliament elections is being covered by BBC News as part of its European Parliament election coverage. It sounds to me like the sort of story that would naturally lead such coverage.
Basically you are complaining that Farage is good at his job.
No, I am complaining that the BBC give him more airtime than he deserves.
Nigel Farage is reportedly set to achieve the joint highest number of Question Time appearances this century when he appears on the BBC show tomorrow night.
The former Ukip leader will make his 32nd appearance on the show as it airs from Blackpool – with the tally only matched by former Chancellor Ken Clarke.
You think in an era when the biggest political upheaval of our time is currently underway the long term proponent of the change, and veteran MEP, is somehow over represented on QT. Considering the other people available to the BBC to take that position it’s a surprise he doesn’t already have the record.
Basically you are complaining that Farage is good at his job.
No, I am complaining that the BBC give him more airtime than he deserves.
Nigel Farage is reportedly set to achieve the joint highest number of Question Time appearances this century when he appears on the BBC show tomorrow night.
The former Ukip leader will make his 32nd appearance on the show as it airs from Blackpool – with the tally only matched by former Chancellor Ken Clarke.
Media love a Punch and Judy ding dong, and you need a villain for that. The posts hating on him perpetuate it.
Yeah, how awful they interview the guy that won the last European Parliament elections...
Seriously all these remainers terrified of people being allowed to hear an opposing viewpoint says everything about the weakness of their own views.
They are literally complaining that a new pro Brexit party launched today to fight the European Parliament elections is being covered by BBC News as part of its European Parliament election coverage. It sounds to me like the sort of story that would naturally lead such coverage.
I have a feeling that a small but vocal group of Remain campaigners in London, who have spent the last couple of years furiously talking to each other and their like-minded media buddies, are about to discover their opinions don’t quite match up with those in the rest of the UK.
Haven't they already considered it during the Letwin fiasco?
And will again. He does seem a bit keen to push it as an option rather than just let it happen, he could at least pretend hes not working toward that option until it is policy.
Indeed, in the further indicative votes May is proposing it has to be considered as it got most votes last time along with with her Deal plus Customs Union that was closest to a majority and again her Deal as is which has hot most votes overall so far
On the US elections, Buttigieg should probably swap with Harris' place in the betting shortly.
Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg.
Harris is too short but I am not convenced Buttigieg is that long. Nevertheless... I think I'll allow my £2 @80/1 to ride for now...
New poll in Iowa (you've probably seen):
Biden holds the lead with 27% support among Democratic voters who are likely to attend the Iowa caucuses in February. He is followed by Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (16%), South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg (9%), Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren (7%), California Sen. Kamala Harris (7%), former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke (6%), Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar (4%), New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker (3%), and former cabinet secretary Julián Castro (2%).
The question will be, how low can the Tory polling go....
Still roughly tied or not far behind Labour in most polls
The trend is already clear, lets see how low they go if we end up with another referendum. Farage will be laughing all the way to Ladbrokes to pick up his winnings and I'll have to relocate to Canada to avoid Captain Corbyn and his band of marxist morons.
Yeah, how awful they interview the guy that won the last European Parliament elections...
Seriously all these remainers terrified of people being allowed to hear an opposing viewpoint says everything about the weakness of their own views.
They are literally complaining that a new pro Brexit party launched today to fight the European Parliament elections is being covered by BBC News as part of its European Parliament election coverage. It sounds to me like the sort of story that would naturally lead such coverage.
I have a feeling that a small but vocal group of Remain campaigners in London, who have spent the last couple of years furiously talking to each other and their like-minded media buddies, are about to discover their opinions don’t quite match up with those in the rest of the UK.
Or maybe we'll discover the rest of the UK aren't so thick as to vote Leave again
Haven't they already considered it during the Letwin fiasco?
I'm not sure this is particularly surprising news. Parliament will get a vote if there's a deal with Labour (with both knowing full well it'll fail), and if not we proceed to indicative votes ..... where a 2nd ref will obviously be one option.
On the US elections, Buttigieg should probably swap with Harris' place in the betting shortly.
Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg.
I'm still with Kamala. Being very much one for an illuminating sporting analogy, and with the Masters on now ... what KH is doing is grinding out the archetypal solid and unspectacular opening level par round of 72. She is "going quietly about her business" as the golfing commentators would have it with their love for cliche.
Idea is to make the cut, let others play the high risk crowd pleasing stuff, then when they come a cropper at the business end, find the trees, balls in water, she moves up a gear and cruises to the win. That is how I'm seeing things.
The question will be, how low can the Tory polling go....
Still roughly tied or not far behind Labour in most polls
The trend is already clear, lets see how low they go if we end up with another referendum. Farage will be laughing all the way to Ladbrokes to pick up his winnings and I'll have to relocate to Canada to avoid Captain Corbyn and his band of marxist morons.
Most Tory MPs have already voted for Leave with May's Deal, Leave with No Deal and against EUref2 and a Customs Union but in case you had not noticed we have a hung parliament not a Tory majority of 100 and any Brexit solution needs a Commons majority. Once May goes if she gets a Deal through Raab or Boris or another hard Brexit leader can take over to lead the Tories at the next general election.
Apart from Alberta Canada is no more right-wing than here really just a lot colder in Winter. If you want a proper Farage type leader try Brazil or the USA or Israel
Yeah, how awful they interview the guy that won the last European Parliament elections...
Seriously all these remainers terrified of people being allowed to hear an opposing viewpoint says everything about the weakness of their own views.
They are literally complaining that a new pro Brexit party launched today to fight the European Parliament elections is being covered by BBC News as part of its European Parliament election coverage. It sounds to me like the sort of story that would naturally lead such coverage.
I have a feeling that a small but vocal group of Remain campaigners in London, who have spent the last couple of years furiously talking to each other and their like-minded media buddies, are about to discover their opinions don’t quite match up with those in the rest of the UK.
The votes, I think, are in making Brexit go away. Not sure how to do that, however.
College of Policing has ended training of Brunei Police following sharia law implementation. Where’s the Commonwealth?
There’s also a petition, started by Westminster Conservatives but now with cross-party support, to make the Dorchester Hotel more Islamic - by revoking their 24-hour alcohol licence.
On the US elections, Buttigieg should probably swap with Harris' place in the betting shortly.
Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg.
Harris is too short but I am not convenced Buttigieg is that long. Nevertheless... I think I'll allow my £2 @80/1 to ride for now...
New poll in Iowa (you've probably seen):
Biden holds the lead with 27% support among Democratic voters who are likely to attend the Iowa caucuses in February. He is followed by Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (16%), South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg (9%), Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren (7%), California Sen. Kamala Harris (7%), former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke (6%), Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar (4%), New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker (3%), and former cabinet secretary Julián Castro (2%).
So, on the face of it, a repeat of 2016 with s/Clinton/Biden/g and the field more prominent, but short of challenging.
Yeah, how awful they interview the guy that won the last European Parliament elections...
Seriously all these remainers terrified of people being allowed to hear an opposing viewpoint says everything about the weakness of their own views.
They are literally complaining that a new pro Brexit party launched today to fight the European Parliament elections is being covered by BBC News as part of its European Parliament election coverage. It sounds to me like the sort of story that would naturally lead such coverage.
I have a feeling that a small but vocal group of Remain campaigners in London, who have spent the last couple of years furiously talking to each other and their like-minded media buddies, are about to discover their opinions don’t quite match up with those in the rest of the UK.
The votes, I think, are in making Brexit go away. Not sure how to do that, however.
The First World War was enormously popular with the public to begin with. When the reality started to bite, all those elderly men who had encouraged young men to enlist, and the women who had handed out white feathers to those who did not, went kind of quiet and preferred to talk about other things.
Yeah, how awful they interview the guy that won the last European Parliament elections...
Seriously all these remainers terrified of people being allowed to hear an opposing viewpoint says everything about the weakness of their own views.
They are literally complaining that a new pro Brexit party launched today to fight the European Parliament elections is being covered by BBC News as part of its European Parliament election coverage. It sounds to me like the sort of story that would naturally lead such coverage.
I have a feeling that a small but vocal group of Remain campaigners in London, who have spent the last couple of years furiously talking to each other and their like-minded media buddies, are about to discover their opinions don’t quite match up with those in the rest of the UK.
The combined Brexit/UKIP vote will give us a reasonable measure of how many of the 17.4m leave voters are "irate at the current betrayal".
Yeah, how awful they interview the guy that won the last European Parliament elections...
Seriously all these remainers terrified of people being allowed to hear an opposing viewpoint says everything about the weakness of their own views.
They are literally complaining that a new pro Brexit party launched today to fight the European Parliament elections is being covered by BBC News as part of its European Parliament election coverage. It sounds to me like the sort of story that would naturally lead such coverage.
I have a feeling that a small but vocal group of Remain campaigners in London, who have spent the last couple of years furiously talking to each other and their like-minded media buddies, are about to discover their opinions don’t quite match up with those in the rest of the UK.
The votes, I think, are in making Brexit go away. Not sure how to do that, however.
The First World War was enormously popular with the public to begin with. When the reality started to bite, all those elderly men who had encouraged young men to enlist, and the women who had handed out white feathers to those who did not, went kind of quiet and preferred to talk about other things.
This is what will happen with Brexit.
Might have more to do with the thousands upon thousands of people who died, which only the most crazed Remainer would claim will happen after Brexit.
Yeah, how awful they interview the guy that won the last European Parliament elections...
Seriously all these remainers terrified of people being allowed to hear an opposing viewpoint says everything about the weakness of their own views.
They are literally complaining that a new pro Brexit party launched today to fight the European Parliament elections is being covered by BBC News as part of its European Parliament election coverage. It sounds to me like the sort of story that would naturally lead such coverage.
I have a feeling that a small but vocal group of Remain campaigners in London, who have spent the last couple of years furiously talking to each other and their like-minded media buddies, are about to discover their opinions don’t quite match up with those in the rest of the UK.
The combined Brexit/UKIP vote will give us a reasonable measure of how many of the 17.4m leave voters are "irate at the current betrayal".
Or maybe we'll discover the rest of the UK aren't so thick as to vote Leave again
I wonder.
I've said before that I think 52/48 was misleading, that the true mood of the country back in 2016 was more like 60/40, that we were very clearly Leave Nation.
I do now sense a switch as it becomes increasingly obvious that Brexit is, in practice, perhaps the worst idea since (pick your own), I really do sniff a change, perhaps we have now 3 years later become Remain Nation.
However, 3 years is not a long time to turn around 40/60, and I live in Hampstead, a bubble and one I rarely venture out of, so I take this hopeful perception of mine with a large pinch of salt.
Man of the people using Star Sports of Mayfair for his betting. Run by Ben Keith, who knows his target audience well. “We specialise in being here for the big boys,” he explains. “I’m not interested in grannies betting 50p – I want arrogant City boys who want to stand toe-to-toe with the bookmaker. They often like to have bravado. I like to take them on.”
On the US elections, Buttigieg should probably swap with Harris' place in the betting shortly.
Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg.
Harris is too short but I am not convenced Buttigieg is that long. Nevertheless... I think I'll allow my £2 @80/1 to ride for now...
New poll in Iowa (you've probably seen):
Biden holds the lead with 27% support among Democratic voters who are likely to attend the Iowa caucuses in February. He is followed by Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (16%), South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg (9%), Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren (7%), California Sen. Kamala Harris (7%), former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke (6%), Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar (4%), New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker (3%), and former cabinet secretary Julián Castro (2%).
So, on the face of it, a repeat of 2016 with s/Clinton/Biden/g and the field more prominent, but short of challenging.
Seems a bit early to be calling that, especially on the basis of an Iowa poll.
National polling shows Biden/Saunders way out in front, but their percentages have been ebbing slightly. The show becomes real in the summer.
The question will be, how low can the Tory polling go....
Tories seem to have decided that stopping Brexit is more important than anything even to the point of their party totally imploding.
They'll be able to enjoy remaining in they EU from the glorious position is the opposition benches while Corbyn rules the roost in Downing St.
What a bonkers post. With the possible exception of Dominic Grieve, I can't think of any Tory I know, or any Tory MP, who wants to stop Brexit.
Stopping Brexit being a disaster, yes of course, but that's hardly the same thing. If we were to crash out in disaster, it would be near-certain that Corbyn would soon be in Downing St.
The combined Brexit/UKIP vote will give us a reasonable measure of how many of the 17.4m leave voters are "irate at the current betrayal".
I think we'll see Farage and the Brexit Party going on a roll during these EU election and they'll very quickly overtake UKIP who just won't be able to generate the same media attention and what attention they do generate will probably be more abut the antics of Yaxley Lennon.
What a bonkers post. With the possible exception of Dominic Grieve, I can't think of any Tory I know, or any Tory MP, who wants to stop Brexit.
Stopping Brexit being a disaster, yes of course, but that's hardly the same thing. If we were to crash out in disaster, it would be near-certain that Corbyn would soon be in Downing St.
Yeah, how awful they interview the guy that won the last European Parliament elections...
Seriously all these remainers terrified of people being allowed to hear an opposing viewpoint says everything about the weakness of their own views.
They are literally complaining that a new pro Brexit party launched today to fight the European Parliament elections is being covered by BBC News as part of its European Parliament election coverage. It sounds to me like the sort of story that would naturally lead such coverage.
I have a feeling that a small but vocal group of Remain campaigners in London, who have spent the last couple of years furiously talking to each other and their like-minded media buddies, are about to discover their opinions don’t quite match up with those in the rest of the UK.
The votes, I think, are in making Brexit go away. Not sure how to do that, however.
The First World War was enormously popular with the public to begin with. When the reality started to bite, all those elderly men who had encouraged young men to enlist, and the women who had handed out white feathers to those who did not, went kind of quiet and preferred to talk about other things.
This is what will happen with Brexit.
At the end of the War, most British soldiers who had taken part thought it had still been worth fighting.
At the moment, we're at the mid 1917 stage. Both sides are war-weary, but neither is in the mood to surrender.
College of Policing has ended training of Brunei Police following sharia law implementation. Where’s the Commonwealth?
There’s also a petition, started by Westminster Conservatives but now with cross-party support, to make the Dorchester Hotel more Islamic - by revoking their 24-hour alcohol licence.
The combined Brexit/UKIP vote will give us a reasonable measure of how many of the 17.4m leave voters are "irate at the current betrayal".
I think we'll see Farage and the Brexit Party going on a roll during these EU election and they'll very quickly overtake UKIP who just won't be able to generate the same media attention and what attention they do generate will probably be more abut the antics of Yaxley Lennon.
Sargon of Akkad 2nd on the list for South West region !
The North votes could be interesting. Allowing for the echo chamber effect, I still think voting for Brexit is a free hit in the Euro election.
A GE would be more interesting, though, in that party loyalty would be tested. My constituency has a 25,000 Labour majority and a 58% Leave vote. How many would peel off to Brexit when there's no danger of the Tories winning?
Indeed, in the further indicative votes May is proposing it has to be considered as it got most votes last time along with with her Deal plus Customs Union that was closest to a majority and again her Deal as is which has hot most votes overall so far
The question will be, how low can the Tory polling go....
Tories seem to have decided that stopping Brexit is more important than anything even to the point of their party totally imploding.
They'll be able to enjoy remaining in they EU from the glorious position is the opposition benches while Corbyn rules the roost in Downing St.
What a bonkers post. With the possible exception of Dominic Grieve, I can't think of any Tory I know, or any Tory MP, who wants to stop Brexit.
Stopping Brexit being a disaster, yes of course, but that's hardly the same thing. If we were to crash out in disaster, it would be near-certain that Corbyn would soon be in Downing St.
Whatever. They've had three years to implement the result of the referendum and get us out of the EU and whether by accident or design they've totally failed in that task
Time to pull the plug on the Tories and move on...
College of Policing has ended training of Brunei Police following sharia law implementation. Where’s the Commonwealth?
There’s also a petition, started by Westminster Conservatives but now with cross-party support, to make the Dorchester Hotel more Islamic - by revoking their 24-hour alcohol licence.
On the US elections, Buttigieg should probably swap with Harris' place in the betting shortly.
Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg.
Harris is too short but I am not convenced Buttigieg is that long. Nevertheless... I think I'll allow my £2 @80/1 to ride for now...
New poll in Iowa (you've probably seen):
Biden holds the lead with 27% support among Democratic voters who are likely to attend the Iowa caucuses in February. He is followed by Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (16%), South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg (9%), Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren (7%), California Sen. Kamala Harris (7%), former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke (6%), Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar (4%), New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker (3%), and former cabinet secretary Julián Castro (2%).
So, on the face of it, a repeat of 2016 with s/Clinton/Biden/g and the field more prominent, but short of challenging.
Seems a bit early to be calling that, especially on the basis of an Iowa poll.
National polling shows Biden/Saunders way out in front, but their percentages have been ebbing slightly. The show becomes real in the summer.
His raison d'etre was to get the UK to leave the EU. And true we haven't yet left. But the campaign he lived and breathed for, and was the figurehead for and embodied was successful.
"less likely than ever" - perhaps, perhaps not we shall see; it was certainly a lot more likely just after EURef2016. Plus I am not a fan of "we can't leave". Oh of course we shouldn't, and not on Francois terms, but the UK can leave the EU and might still do so.
He also thought the UK leaving would lead the whole EU project collapsing, and it looks stronger than ever.
I wish him much more similar "success"
Given that we haven't left yet none of us are in a position to judge what the final effect might be on the EU.
Before the Election, 'An Independence From Europe' were going to take so many votes from UKIP by way of voters accidentally voting for them that the kippers wouldn't win the Euros... then, after Farage and Co won, and I suggested AIFE's votes could be added to UKIP's for our discussion purposes as they were clearly the party the vote was intended for, the meme that UKIP had underperformed was so strong that AIFE's votes were their property alone!
Addressing @AlastairMeeks's point, for non betting purposes, does it matter if UKIP/Brexit split the Brexit vote, or TIG/LD do the same on the other side of the fence? Going forward, we will know how motivated the different sides are from the combined vote %s. I don't think the number of seats obtained is really that important
Assuming we put Labour down as pro-EU and the Tories down as anti-EU, don't you think that at least some importance wil be placed on who gets most seats? Who the largest single winner of seats or votes is?
I'm not suggesting it is like a GE where every seat counts at small majorities, but it will set at least some of the tone.
I think the most interesting result is that of UKIP + Brexit vs LD + TIG (vote percentage).
That's a good point. Splitting the vote is important in some ways, but as we'll just be treating it as proxy referendum on Brexit it doesn't hugely matter which toaster you pop your slice of bread in.
I wouldn’t have given the Brexit Party a chance before Change UK emerged. The BBC will now want to cover them and as such with a veteran leader of another party and MEP, they will almost have to give BP as much coverage as CHUK. This will probably hit Tory and UKIP votes for BP and Labour and Libdem for CHUK. I cannot see it having a great impact in Scotland, and the greens seem to be distinctive enough, though they might get hit by far left coalescing around Corbyn
Yes, it will be like the Farage v Clegg debates in 2014.
College of Policing has ended training of Brunei Police following sharia law implementation. Where’s the Commonwealth?
There’s also a petition, started by Westminster Conservatives but now with cross-party support, to make the Dorchester Hotel more Islamic - by revoking their 24-hour alcohol licence.
It's good trolling, though. Mind you, I don't think that good Muslims care a hoot whether infidels drink alcohol. It's the kind of thing one would expect infidels to do.
Before the Election, 'An Independence From Europe' were going to take so many votes from UKIP by way of voters accidentally voting for them that the kippers wouldn't win the Euros... then, after Farage and Co won, and I suggested AIFE's votes could be added to UKIP's for our discussion purposes as they were clearly the party the vote was intended for, the meme that UKIP had underperformed was so strong that AIFE's votes were their property alone!
Addressing @AlastairMeeks's point, for non betting purposes, does it matter if UKIP/Brexit split the Brexit vote, or TIG/LD do the same on the other side of the fence? Going forward, we will know how motivated the different sides are from the combined vote %s. I don't think the number of seats obtained is really that important
Assuming we put Labour down as pro-EU and the Tories down as anti-EU, don't you think that at least some importance wil be placed on who gets most seats? Who the largest single winner of seats or votes is?
I'm not suggesting it is like a GE where every seat counts at small majorities, but it will set at least some of the tone.
I think the most interesting result is that of UKIP + Brexit vs LD + TIG (vote percentage).
That's a good point. Splitting the vote is important in some ways, but as we'll just be treating it as proxy referendum on Brexit it doesn't hugely matter which toaster you pop your slice of bread in.
I wouldn’t have given the Brexit Party a chance before Change UK emerged. The BBC will now want to cover them and as such with a veteran leader of another party and MEP, they will almost have to give BP as much coverage as CHUK. This will probably hit Tory and UKIP votes for BP and Labour and Libdem for CHUK. I cannot see it having a great impact in Scotland, and the greens seem to be distinctive enough, though they might get hit by far left coalescing around Corbyn
Yes, it will be like the Farage v Clegg debates in 2014.
CHUK are operating in a totally different context to Clegg in 2014. People on the pro-EU side won't tolerate someone playing into Farage's hands in the way Clegg did.
Yeah, how awful they interview the guy that won the last European Parliament elections...
Seriously all these remainers terrified of people being allowed to hear an opposing viewpoint says everything about the weakness of their own views.
They are literally complaining that a new pro Brexit party launched today to fight the European Parliament elections is being covered by BBC News as part of its European Parliament election coverage. It sounds to me like the sort of story that would naturally lead such coverage.
I have a feeling that a small but vocal group of Remain campaigners in London, who have spent the last couple of years furiously talking to each other and their like-minded media buddies, are about to discover their opinions don’t quite match up with those in the rest of the UK.
The votes, I think, are in making Brexit go away. Not sure how to do that, however.
The First World War was enormously popular with the public to begin with. When the reality started to bite, all those elderly men who had encouraged young men to enlist, and the women who had handed out white feathers to those who did not, went kind of quiet and preferred to talk about other things.
This is what will happen with Brexit.
At the end of the War, most British soldiers who had taken part thought it had still been worth fighting.
At the moment, we're at the mid 1917 stage. Both sides are war-weary, but neither is in the mood to surrender.
Yes, that's a good way of putting it, Sean.
You of course will know that the returning fighters found people at home didn't want to hear about the realities of life, and death, on the front. Pretty obvious why.
Basically you are complaining that Farage is good at his job.
No, I am complaining that the BBC give him more airtime than he deserves.
Nigel Farage is reportedly set to achieve the joint highest number of Question Time appearances this century when he appears on the BBC show tomorrow night.
The former Ukip leader will make his 32nd appearance on the show as it airs from Blackpool – with the tally only matched by former Chancellor Ken Clarke.
Hardly quite the same as never being off the BBC? Anna Soubry and Chuka were arguably on the BBC politics programmes more often in the last year and ChUK has not yet won a single vote in any election.
But in the end it’s about ratings and some politicians are more box office than others.
As for his impact - whether you like him or not - without Farage Brexit would never even have been contemplated and the 2016 referendum would never have happened. So he did alter UK political history - which isn’t bad for one man and his essentially one man band party.
Yeah, how awful they interview the guy that won the last European Parliament elections...
Seriously all these remainers terrified of people being allowed to hear an opposing viewpoint says everything about the weakness of their own views.
They are literally complaining that a new pro Brexit party launched today to fight the European Parliament elections is being covered by BBC News as part of its European Parliament election coverage. It sounds to me like the sort of story that would naturally lead such coverage.
I have a feeling that a small but vocal group of Remain campaigners in London, who have spent the last couple of years furiously talking to each other and their like-minded media buddies, are about to discover their opinions don’t quite match up with those in the rest of the UK.
The votes, I think, are in making Brexit go away. Not sure how to do that, however.
The First World War was enormously popular with the public to begin with. When the reality started to bite, all those elderly men who had encouraged young men to enlist, and the women who had handed out white feathers to those who did not, went kind of quiet and preferred to talk about other things.
This is what will happen with Brexit.
At the end of the War, most British soldiers who had taken part thought it had still been worth fighting.
At the moment, we're at the mid 1917 stage. Both sides are war-weary, but neither is in the mood to surrender.
1917 in Britain war weary, or like in France and Russia mutiny and revolt?
Yes, half a million turned out for Haig's funeral, many ex servicemen. A decade later the mood had changed more strongly against.
I suspect buyers remorse will come more quickly for Brexit, not least because half the country never bought in, particularly working age voters.
As for his impact - whether you like him or not - without Farage Brexit would never even have been contemplated and the 2016 referendum would never have happened.
And he could never have done that without the BBC giving him more airtime than anyone else
I see the point but there is a difference between the "interim" senior post holder who gets £150k or more a year and someone who has worked thirty years or more at a lower level doing their job.
Certainly in local Government, it's a contributory pension scheme so the employee pays in as does the employer.
The question will be, how low can the Tory polling go....
Tories seem to have decided that stopping Brexit is more important than anything even to the point of their party totally imploding.
They'll be able to enjoy remaining in they EU from the glorious position is the opposition benches while Corbyn rules the roost in Downing St.
What a bonkers post. With the possible exception of Dominic Grieve, I can't think of any Tory I know, or any Tory MP, who wants to stop Brexit.
Stopping Brexit being a disaster, yes of course, but that's hardly the same thing. If we were to crash out in disaster, it would be near-certain that Corbyn would soon be in Downing St.
The Tories need 315 or so votes to get something that allows the UK to leave the EU. As the ERG are a bunch of idiots the only way to do that is to get votes from other parties. And it's clear that a vote on May's Deal vs Revoke is just about the only way the Tories can pull that trick off.
I think this website has increasing gaps in its analysis since it became dominated by Remainers. Speaking to Conservative activists in the last few days, the mood is more one of rage than weariness. This delay has provoked a reaction among usually mild mannered Tories that I haven't seen since the Lisbon controversy. I don't think MPs have quite picked up on the extent of the anger yet but it will hit them shortly. Combined with a wipe out in the local elections and European elections, they will be in a state of shock and awe.
I actually think this is existential for the Tories if they don't get Brexit over the line. The only way that will happen is with a forced Deal vs No Deal choice. I think they need a new leader for that. Probably someone with more tactical intelligence than Boris.
Whatever. They've had three years to implement the result of the referendum and get us out of the EU and whether by accident or design they've totally failed in that task
Time to pull the plug on the Tories and move on...
What in your opinion would have made the process easier or quicker? It's 24 June 2016. What do you do?
Whatever. They've had three years to implement the result of the referendum and get us out of the EU and whether by accident or design they've totally failed in that task
Time to pull the plug on the Tories and move on...
What in your opinion would have made the process easier or quicker? It's 24 June 2016. What do you do?
As for that plug, please join the queue.
Not having the stupid sequencing rule for starters.
Man of the people using Star Sports of Mayfair for his betting. Run by Ben Keith, who knows his target audience well. “We specialise in being here for the big boys,” he explains. “I’m not interested in grannies betting 50p – I want arrogant City boys who want to stand toe-to-toe with the bookmaker. They often like to have bravado. I like to take them on.”
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Farage runs rings around other parties when it comes to campaigning.
https://twitter.com/TheEllenShow/status/1116531086186536960
https://twitter.com/JeffFWilliams/status/1116486329284595717
Seriously all these remainers terrified of people being allowed to hear an opposing viewpoint says everything about the weakness of their own views.
I do think it can be suitable for questions that are both very simple to understand and at the same time not important.
For example, whose face should be on the new £20 note, Alan Turing or Alan Shearer? (assuming it has to be an Alan).
But then this raises the very real concern that such matters do not merit the time and expense of a Referendum, the infrastructure required, the national campaigns, the TV debates etc etc.
My conclusion, therefore, is that it is best to not have them at all.
Nigel Farage is reportedly set to achieve the joint highest number of Question Time appearances this century when he appears on the BBC show tomorrow night.
The former Ukip leader will make his 32nd appearance on the show as it airs from Blackpool – with the tally only matched by former Chancellor Ken Clarke.
Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg.
New poll in Iowa (you've probably seen):
Biden holds the lead with 27% support among Democratic voters who are likely to attend the Iowa caucuses in February. He is followed by Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (16%), South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg (9%), Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren (7%), California Sen. Kamala Harris (7%), former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke (6%), Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar (4%), New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker (3%), and former cabinet secretary Julián Castro (2%).
Idea is to make the cut, let others play the high risk crowd pleasing stuff, then when they come a cropper at the business end, find the trees, balls in water, she moves up a gear and cruises to the win. That is how I'm seeing things.
Apart from Alberta Canada is no more right-wing than here really just a lot colder in Winter. If you want a proper Farage type leader try Brazil or the USA or Israel
https://twitter.com/westminstertory/status/1115308990915862529
This is what will happen with Brexit.
3 to 1 isn't a bad price imho.
https://twitter.com/elliotwagland/status/1116620177133555715
I've said before that I think 52/48 was misleading, that the true mood of the country back in 2016 was more like 60/40, that we were very clearly Leave Nation.
I do now sense a switch as it becomes increasingly obvious that Brexit is, in practice, perhaps the worst idea since (pick your own), I really do sniff a change, perhaps we have now 3 years later become Remain Nation.
However, 3 years is not a long time to turn around 40/60, and I live in Hampstead, a bubble and one I rarely venture out of, so I take this hopeful perception of mine with a large pinch of salt.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2003-12-17.1697.0&s=extradition+2003#g1697.1
They'll be able to enjoy remaining in they EU from the glorious position is the opposition benches while Corbyn rules the roost in Downing St.
"“I even thought of Ivanka for the World Bank … She would’ve been great at that because she’s very good with numbers.”"
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/president-eyed-ivanka-trump-lead-the-world-bank
It's dead simple, but it is doing things like that that keep Farage in the papers. He'll probably be photographed downing a pint shortly.
National polling shows Biden/Saunders way out in front, but their percentages have been ebbing slightly.
The show becomes real in the summer.
Stopping Brexit being a disaster, yes of course, but that's hardly the same thing. If we were to crash out in disaster, it would be near-certain that Corbyn would soon be in Downing St.
UKIP top of the list candidates
East Midlands
Cllr Alan Graves
Marietta King
Eastern
Stuart Agnew MEP
Paul Oakley
London
Gerard Batten MEP
Richard Braine
North East
Richard Elvin
Chris Gallacher
North West
Adam Richardson
Jeffrey Armstrong
Northern Ireland
Robert Hill
Scotland
Donald MacKay
Janice MacKay
South East
Piers Wauchope
Liz Phillips
South West
Lawrence Webb
Carl Benjamin
Wales
Kris Hicks
Keith Edwards
West Midlands
Ernie Warrender
Paul Williams
Yorkshire and the Humber
Mike Hookem MEP
Gary Shores
At the moment, we're at the mid 1917 stage. Both sides are war-weary, but neither is in the mood to surrender.
https://twitter.com/skinnock/status/1116654530651754497?s=21
A GE would be more interesting, though, in that party loyalty would be tested. My constituency has a 25,000 Labour majority and a 58% Leave vote. How many would peel off to Brexit when there's no danger of the Tories winning?
Time to pull the plug on the Tories and move on...
https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/
Note that half a likely voters aren't yet even aware of the existence of Harris or O'Rourke - and that's three quarters for Buttigieg.
You of course will know that the returning fighters found people at home didn't want to hear about the realities of life, and death, on the front. Pretty obvious why.
But in the end it’s about ratings and some politicians are more box office than others.
As for his impact - whether you like him or not - without Farage Brexit would never even have been contemplated and the 2016 referendum would never have happened. So he did alter UK political history - which isn’t bad for one man and his essentially one man band party.
Yes, half a million turned out for Haig's funeral, many ex servicemen. A decade later the mood had changed more strongly against.
I suspect buyers remorse will come more quickly for Brexit, not least because half the country never bought in, particularly working age voters.
https://order-order.com/2019/04/12/remainer-academic-ipsos-boris/
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To change the mood a little, here's an idea from Liz Truss which has upset a few people:
https://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2019/04/anger-cap-exit-payments?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_term=
I see the point but there is a difference between the "interim" senior post holder who gets £150k or more a year and someone who has worked thirty years or more at a lower level doing their job.
Certainly in local Government, it's a contributory pension scheme so the employee pays in as does the employer.
I actually think this is existential for the Tories if they don't get Brexit over the line. The only way that will happen is with a forced Deal vs No Deal choice. I think they need a new leader for that. Probably someone with more tactical intelligence than Boris.
As for that plug, please join the queue.