The collapse in the conservative support was entirely predicatable as soon as new EU elections were called.
TM must shoulder the responsibility along with ERG and Dominic Grieve for this shambles
Each one fighting each other was madness and had they all supported the first WDA we would now be out of the EU and TM and the conservatives would be riding high
I hope this break and the collapse in the polls will bring them to their senses to pass the WDA and leave on the 1st June, thereby extinguishing the Brexit party before it extinguishes them
It's hard to disagree, except I doubt if anything will bring them to their senses.
The Spartans will think it's because we aren't pursuing a no deal Brexit. Grieve will think it's because we aren't cancelling Brexit.
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Change UK have been no help to themselves so far. Tried to find their website earlier and couldn't, seems they are still using the Independent Group. What's their colours, logo, slogan, platform? Seems like it's been confirmed as well that each party will stand separately as well (according to guardian).
I do not see how 'inviting Farage everywhere' will be permitted under the rules applied during the campaign. Doubtless the major parties will have their lawyers primed to intervene.
Maybe - but their response might be well Farage is second in the EU parliament polls so we are just reflecting current public opinion.
They can always wheel out Nancy or Diane James when he isn’t available.
I presume Farage will have to drop his LBC show during the campaign as he will be a candidate - although presumably Rees Mogg can fill in for him (Jacob that is!).
The rules which the broadcasters are obliged to follow relate to parties - not individuals. The time allocated to political parties is determined by whether they have been deemed to be worthy of 'major' or 'minor' party status - which in turn would be influenced by performance in recent elections - including by elections. The difficulty facing the Brexit Party - and ChangeUK - is that it has no track record at all in that no votes have ever been cast for it. Registering reasonable scores in some opinion polls a few weeks before the elections are due to take place is unlikely to be sufficient to justify 'major' party status - particularly as the parties concerned have failed to contest the Local Elections on 2nd May. I would suggest that these new parties have appeared too late - and that the Tories and Labour would be well placed to have complaints upheld , were any attempt made to award such status.
I think the Tories will lose 1000 to 1200 seats on May 2 and tbh I think they'd take that atm. The euros are going to be brutal though. The interest for me is who wins from green, lib, chuk
In the 2015 locals the Tories won 5,521 seats to 2,278 seats for Labour, so losing 1000 to 1200 seats would still see the Tories win more seats than Labour on May 2nd even if the Euros prove a bloodbath (though of course the Tories were 3rd in the 2014 Euros anyway).
It would also still be better than the Tories did in the 1995 locals when they lost 2,018 seats overnight
It wont be as bad as 95 for sure, labour dont have the support Blair did, but ironically the euros will be much worse than 94 with Major vs Beckett
It's not a like for like comparison. We had first past the post in 1994.
I think the Tories will lose 1000 to 1200 seats on May 2 and tbh I think they'd take that atm. The euros are going to be brutal though. The interest for me is who wins from green, lib, chuk
In the 2015 locals the Tories won 5,521 seats to 2,278 seats for Labour, so losing 1000 to 1200 seats would still see the Tories win more seats than Labour on May 2nd even if the Euros prove a bloodbath (though of course the Tories were 3rd in the 2014 Euros anyway).
It would also still be better than the Tories did in the 1995 locals when they lost 2,018 seats overnight
It wont be as bad as 95 for sure, labour dont have the support Blair did, but ironically the euros will be much worse than 94 with Major vs Beckett
It's not a like for like comparison. We had first past the post in 1994.
I'd forgotten it was fptp still. UKIP got 1%, bless
I think the Tories will lose 1000 to 1200 seats on May 2 and tbh I think they'd take that atm. The euros are going to be brutal though. The interest for me is who wins from green, lib, chuk
In the 2015 locals the Tories won 5,521 seats to 2,278 seats for Labour, so losing 1000 to 1200 seats would still see the Tories win more seats than Labour on May 2nd even if the Euros prove a bloodbath (though of course the Tories were 3rd in the 2014 Euros anyway).
It would also still be better than the Tories did in the 1995 locals when they lost 2,018 seats overnight
It wont be as bad as 95 for sure, labour dont have the support Blair did, but ironically the euros will be much worse than 94 with Major vs Beckett
Those Euros were under FPTP not PR though and though the Tories may do worse than the 26.8% Major's Tories did then they are unlikely to trail Labour by 16% of the vote either as the Tories did in 1994
The Tories were doing pretty well in the polls until only a couple of weeks ago. It's almost as if they've talked themselves down in popularity since then with their relentlessly gloomy approach, personified by Hammond.
Or, maybe the whole not leaving Europe on the date they said they would? Correlation not causation and all that bit it is uncanny when you think about it.
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Change UK have been no help to themselves so far. Tried to find their website earlier and couldn't, seems they are still using the Independent Group. What's their colours, logo, slogan, platform? Seems like it's been confirmed as well that each party will stand separately as well (according to guardian).
I do not see how 'inviting Farage everywhere' will be permitted under the rules applied during the campaign. Doubtless the major parties will have their lawyers primed to intervene.
Maybe - but their response might be well Farage is second in the EU parliament polls so we are just reflecting current public opinion.
They can always wheel out Nancy or Diane James when he isn’t available.
I presume Farage will have to drop his LBC show during the campaign as he will be a candidate - although presumably Rees Mogg can fill in for him (Jacob that is!).
The rules which the broadcasters are obliged to follow relate to parties - not individuals. The time allocated to political parties is determined by whether they have been deemed to be worthy of 'major' or 'minor' party status - which in turn would be influenced by performance in recent elections - including by elections. The difficulty facing the Brexit Party - and ChangeUK - is that it has no track record at all in that no votes have ever been cast for it. Registering reasonable scores in some opinion polls a few weeks before the elections are due to take place is unlikely to be sufficient to justify 'major' party status - particularly as the parties concerned have failed to contest the Local Elections on 2nd May. I would suggest that these new parties have appeared too late - and that the Tories and Labour would be well placed to have complaints upheld , were any attempt made to award such status.
It seems reasonable to me for the rules to account for party splits. There would be some justification for the broadcasters considering the Brexit Party to be the successor party to the UKIP of 2014, even if they don't have the official name.
How do you think this should affect the Greens and the Lib Dems? The Greens outpolled the Lib Dems in 2014, so it would be strange for the Lib Dems to receive more attention.
The Telegraph have an interesting take on the extension. They are reporting that the socialists round the table, Spain, Greece, etc wanted the UK to hold EU elections because Labour would do well and they are part of the socialist grouping in the EU. Whereas no UK political party is part of the EPP the main competition to the socialists. Did Corbyn not attend a big socialist summit in Spain not so long ago.
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Change UK have been no help to themselves so far. Tried to find their website earlier and couldn't, seems they are still using the Independent Group. What's their colours, logo, slogan, platform? Seems like it's been confirmed as well that each party will stand separately as well (according to guardian).
CUK is an utter shambles. Still at least it will give centrists something to blame other than their politics when they disappear
It's a paradox that while Farage Mark 2 generates a media bandwagon, Change UK with 11 MP's get little coverage.
Hmmm. Who is in the shadows behind Farage with useful Press strings?
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Change UK have been no help to themselves so far. Tried to find their website earlier and couldn't, seems they are still using the Independent Group. What's their colours, logo, slogan, platform? Seems like it's been confirmed as well that each party will stand separately as well (according to guardian).
I do not see how 'inviting Farage everywhere' will be permitted under the rules applied during the campaign. Doubtless the major parties will have their lawyers primed to intervene.
Maybe - but their response might be well Farage is second in the EU parliament polls so we are just reflecting current public opinion.
They can always wheel out Nancy or Diane James when he isn’t available.
I presume Farage will have to drop his LBC show during the campaign as he will be a candidate - although presumably Rees Mogg can fill in for him (Jacob that is!).
The rules which the broadcasters are obliged to follow relate to parties - not individuals. The time allocated to political parties is determined by whether they have been deemed to be worthy of 'major' or 'minor' party status - which in turn would be influenced by performance in recent elections - including by elections. The difficulty facing the Brexit Party - and ChangeUK - is that it has no track record at all in that no votes have ever been cast for it. Registering reasonable scores in some opinion polls a few weeks before the elections are due to take place is unlikely to be sufficient to justify 'major' party status - particularly as the parties concerned have failed to contest the Local Elections on 2nd May. I would suggest that these new parties have appeared too late - and that the Tories and Labour would be well placed to have complaints upheld , were any attempt made to award such status.
It doesn't matter. Farage's party will get loads of attention from newspapers and social media (and people slagging off Farage will be very helpful in generating that publicity).
I think the Tories will lose 1000 to 1200 seats on May 2 and tbh I think they'd take that atm. The euros are going to be brutal though. The interest for me is who wins from green, lib, chuk
In the 2015 locals the Tories won 5,521 seats to 2,278 seats for Labour, so losing 1000 to 1200 seats would still see the Tories win more seats than Labour on May 2nd even if the Euros prove a bloodbath (though of course the Tories were 3rd in the 2014 Euros anyway).
It would also still be better than the Tories did in the 1995 locals when they lost 2,018 seats overnight
It wont be as bad as 95 for sure, labour dont have the support Blair did, but ironically the euros will be much worse than 94 with Major vs Beckett
If Yougov is to be believed (and I expect Opinium's numbers would be similar) 21% of 2017 Conservatives have shifted rightwards, compared to 3% supporting Labour (offset by 4% of Labour voters moving rightwards). So, while Labour will benefit from Conservatives abstaining, they aren't gaining many switchers.
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Maybe - but their response might be well Farage is second in the EU parliament polls so we are just reflecting current public opinion.
They can always wheel out Nancy or Diane James when he isn’t available.
I presume Farage will have to drop his LBC show during the campaign as he will be a candidate - although presumably Rees Mogg can fill in for him (Jacob that is!).
The rules which the broadcasters are obliged to follow relate to parties - not individuals. The time allocated to political parties is determined by whether they have been deemed to be worthy of 'major' or 'minor' party status - which in turn would be influenced by performance in recent elections - including by elections. The difficulty facing the Brexit Party - and ChangeUK - is that it has no track record at all in that no votes have ever been cast for it. Registering reasonable scores in some opinion polls a few weeks before the elections are due to take place is unlikely to be sufficient to justify 'major' party status - particularly as the parties concerned have failed to contest the Local Elections on 2nd May. I would suggest that these new parties have appeared too late - and that the Tories and Labour would be well placed to have complaints upheld , were any attempt made to award such status.
It seems reasonable to me for the rules to account for party splits. There would be some justification for the broadcasters considering the Brexit Party to be the successor party to the UKIP of 2014, even if they don't have the official name.
How do you think this should affect the Greens and the Lib Dems? The Greens outpolled the Lib Dems in 2014, so it would be strange for the Lib Dems to receive more attention.
I see no reason why the LibDems should receive more coverage than the Greens in these elections. They did poorly in 2014 and on the basis of the 2015 & 2017 elections would no longer qualify for 'major' party status in a general election. As for the Brexit Party being the successor party to UKIP , who has the right to claim that? UKIP still exits and polled almost 9% at a by election a week ago . To repeat my earlier point, I am not aware that Farage has been elected leader of his new party. He is self appointed and answerable to no one.
The Telegraph have an interesting take on the extension. They are reporting that the socialists round the table, Spain, Greece, etc wanted the UK to hold EU elections because Labour would do well and they are part of the socialist grouping in the EU. Whereas no UK political party is part of the EPP the main competition to the socialists. Did Corbyn not attend a big socialist summit in Spain not so long ago.
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Change UK have been no help to themselves so far. Tried to find their website earlier and couldn't, seems they are still using the Independent Group. What's their colours, logo, slogan, platform? Seems like it's been confirmed as well that each party will stand separately as well (according to guardian).
CUK is an utter shambles. Still at least it will give centrists something to blame other than their politics when they disappear
It's a paradox that while Farage Mark 2 generates a media bandwagon, Change UK with 11 MP's get little coverage.
Paradox resolved: Change UK have no real communicable agenda apart from keeping things the same by Remaining. This may be important but flies in the face of its hopelessly unoriginal name. And while they have some very reasonable and decent members - Heidi Allen stands out - they don't have a single charismatic leader. An agenda of keeping things the same while calling yourself 'Change' makes good Matt cartoons ('What don't we want...When don't we want it' etc) but is of limited appeal to a personality driven media. And there isn't a route for them to win any seats and retain their careers, so they look like losers. Bingo.
The Telegraph have an interesting take on the extension. They are reporting that the socialists round the table, Spain, Greece, etc wanted the UK to hold EU elections because Labour would do well and they are part of the socialist grouping in the EU. Whereas no UK political party is part of the EPP the main competition to the socialists. Did Corbyn not attend a big socialist summit in Spain not so long ago.
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Change UK have been no help to themselves so far. Tried to find their website earlier and couldn't, seems they are still using the Independent Group. What's their colours, logo, slogan, platform? Seems like it's been confirmed as well that each party will stand separately as well (according to guardian).
CUK is an utter shambles. Still at least it will give centrists something to blame other than their politics when they disappear
It's a paradox that while Farage Mark 2 generates a media bandwagon, Change UK with 11 MP's get little coverage.
The Telegraph have an interesting take on the extension. They are reporting that the socialists round the table, Spain, Greece, etc wanted the UK to hold EU elections because Labour would do well and they are part of the socialist grouping in the EU. Whereas no UK political party is part of the EPP the main competition to the socialists. Did Corbyn not attend a big socialist summit in Spain not so long ago.
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Change UK have been no help to themselves so far. Tried to find their website earlier and couldn't, seems they are still using the Independent Group. What's their colours, logo, slogan, platform? Seems like it's been confirmed as well that each party will stand separately as well (according to guardian).
CUK is an utter shambles. Still at least it will give centrists something to blame other than their politics when they disappear
It's a paradox that while Farage Mark 2 generates a media bandwagon, Change UK with 11 MP's get little coverage.
Paradox resolved: Change UK have no real communicable agenda apart from keeping things the same by Remaining. This may be important but flies in the face of its hopelessly unoriginal name. And while they have some very reasonable and decent members - Heidi Allen stands out - they don't have a single charismatic leader. An agenda of keeping things the same while calling yourself 'Change' makes good Matt cartoons ('What don't we want...When don't we want it' etc) but is of limited appeal to a personality driven media. And there isn't a route for them to win any seats and retain their careers, so they look like losers. Bingo.
Nigel Farage hasn’t articulated what he wants. But his version of nihilism has more subscribers.
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Change UK have been no help to themselves so far. Tried to find their website earlier and couldn't, seems they are still using the Independent Group. What's their colours, logo, slogan, platform? Seems like it's been confirmed as well that each party will stand separately as well (according to guardian).
I do not see how 'inviting Farage everywhere' will be permitted under the rules applied during the campaign. Doubtless the major parties will have their lawyers primed to intervene.
Maybe - but their response might be well Farage is second in the EU parliament polls so we are just reflecting current public opinion.
They can always wheel out Nancy or Diane James when he isn’t available.
I presume Farage will have to drop his LBC show during the campaign as he will be a candidate - although presumably Rees Mogg can fill in for him (Jacob that is!).
The rules which the broadcasters are obliged to follow relate to parties - not individuals. The time allocated to political parties is determined by whether they have been deemed to be worthy of 'major' or 'minor' party status - which in turn would be influenced by performance in recent elections - including by elections. The difficulty facing the Brexit Party - and ChangeUK - is that it has no track record at all in that no votes have ever been cast for it. Registering reasonable scores in some opinion polls a few weeks before the elections are due to take place is unlikely to be sufficient to justify 'major' party status - particularly as the parties concerned have failed to contest the Local Elections on 2nd May. I would suggest that these new parties have appeared too late - and that the Tories and Labour would be well placed to have complaints upheld , were any attempt made to award such status.
It doesn't matter. Farage's party will get loads of attention from newspapers and social media (and people slagging off Farage will be very helpful in generating that publicity).
That is a fair point - though were any Debates to be organised there would be reasonable justification for excluding the Brexit and ChangeUK parties. In reality, these elections have always been so low profile that such debates are rather unlikely.
I'm not a teacher, but I've a lot of relations who are. It's always seemed to me that whoever said we're all experts on education because we've all been to school hit the nail on the head. Trouble is, as a pupil, or the parents of pupils we look at it through a very narrow view. I worked in health and heard all sorts of strange opinions about GP's and other health professionals, which were largely the result of one or two experiences, or experiences of one or two professionals, and that really isn't representative.
Just look at how far we have fallen compared to other countries. Our education system is a joke and yet our teaching profession still try to pretend it is fit for purpose. You don't have to be any kind of expert to see how that is an indictment of both our politicians and the teaching profession.
The Telegraph have an interesting take on the extension. They are reporting that the socialists round the table, Spain, Greece, etc wanted the UK to hold EU elections because Labour would do well and they are part of the socialist grouping in the EU. Whereas no UK political party is part of the EPP the main competition to the socialists. Did Corbyn not attend a big socialist summit in Spain not so long ago.
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Change UK have been no help to themselves so far. Tried to find their website earlier and couldn't, seems they are still using the Independent Group. What's their colours, logo, slogan, platform? Seems like it's been confirmed as well that each party will stand separately as well (according to guardian).
CUK is an utter shambles. Still at least it will give centrists something to blame other than their politics when they disappear
It's a paradox that while Farage Mark 2 generates a media bandwagon, Change UK with 11 MP's get little coverage.
Paradox resolved: Change UK have no real communicable agenda apart from keeping things the same by Remaining. This may be important but flies in the face of its hopelessly unoriginal name. And while they have some very reasonable and decent members - Heidi Allen stands out - they don't have a single charismatic leader. An agenda of keeping things the same while calling yourself 'Change' makes good Matt cartoons ('What don't we want...When don't we want it' etc) but is of limited appeal to a personality driven media. And there isn't a route for them to win any seats and retain their careers, so they look like losers. Bingo.
Nigel Farage hasn’t articulated what he wants. But his version of nihilism has more subscribers.
I'd say he's more wrecker than nihilist.
Anyway, here's a rather good article about the current state of brexitation:
The Telegraph have an interesting take on the extension. They are reporting that the socialists round the table, Spain, Greece, etc wanted the UK to hold EU elections because Labour would do well and they are part of the socialist grouping in the EU. Whereas no UK political party is part of the EPP the main competition to the socialists. Did Corbyn not attend a big socialist summit in Spain not so long ago.
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Change UK have been no help to themselves so far. Tried to find their website earlier and couldn't, seems they are still using the Independent Group. What's their colours, logo, slogan, platform? Seems like it's been confirmed as well that each party will stand separately as well (according to guardian).
CUK is an utter shambles. Still at least it will give centrists something to blame other than their politics when they disappear
It's a paradox that while Farage Mark 2 generates a media bandwagon, Change UK with 11 MP's get little coverage.
Paradox resolved: Change UK have no real communicable agenda apart from keeping things the same by Remaining. This may be important but flies in the face of its hopelessly unoriginal name. And while they have some very reasonable and decent members - Heidi Allen stands out - they don't have a single charismatic leader. An agenda of keeping things the same while calling yourself 'Change' makes good Matt cartoons ('What don't we want...When don't we want it' etc) but is of limited appeal to a personality driven media. And there isn't a route for them to win any seats and retain their careers, so they look like losers. Bingo.
Nigel Farage hasn’t articulated what he wants. But his version of nihilism has more subscribers.
I'd say he's more wrecker than nihilist.
Probably so. The true nihilist would accept all the personal consequences of rejecting political & social structures, to the point of extreme self sacrifice. Farage couldn't stretch to giving up his ciggies and pint. Or walking more than a few dozen miles.
It didn't work with the teachers but then they have long been completely off the rails and unwilling to accept that their whole profession has been an utter failure for the last 3 or more decades.
His work at both Justice and Environment where he has manged to build bridges and introduce real and meaningful reform shows how wrong headed the teachers are in their views. We have a third world education system and that started decades before Gove ever got near the department. Teachers bear a lot of the responsibility for that.
Rubbish. It didn't work because ultimately his ideas however well intentioned were badly executed and ignored expert warnings as to the very real problems they would cause. All of which have been proven right.
As for the rest, you think I'm strident in my views on Gove? You should hear what my father (a vet who works in preparation for epidemics) thinks of him. And he's literally a card-carrying Conservative. Don't be fooled into thinking Nick Palmer is typical.
I can't help it if you're determined to resort to the aforementioned myths based on ignorance about education. It's a bit strange you think you know more about it than I do, but it's a free country and you're entitled to think it if you want. After all, unlike Gove your views are ultimately harmless and will not wreck the education of millions of children and damage our skills base going forward.
I do find it a bit depressing though.
Gove is an absolute useless arsehole, only looking after himself , pushed on by his wife who is equally bad. Why anyone would think the backstabbing toerag has any talent or principles is beyond me.
The teaching profession are arseholes. They've spent the last 40 to 50 years attempting to use their position to create a socialist utopia by trying to brainwash people who are too naive to understand what they're up to. And they're utterly shameless about it, because they think they're RIGHT and KNOW BEST. Shame on them.
Whoa this is some crazy shit. Any evidence for this accusation? I don't personally recall any Marxist indoctrination at school and haven't yet noticed any at my kids' schools - just a whole lot of hard work for not a whole lot of money. Also, if teachers have been hellbent on creating this socialist utopia all these years, I can only say they have not been very successful.
With all due respect to Flavible, there is no way the LibDems get 33 seats on 11% of the vote.
Given that the UKIP, Brexit and CUK votes are spread evenly and wasted, the LibDems are effectively batting from 13% against the Tories on about 32%. That's a much narrower gap than last time and would enable the LibDems to recover their position in Wales and the West Country.
The collapse in the conservative support was entirely predicatable as soon as new EU elections were called.
TM must shoulder the responsibility along with ERG and Dominic Grieve for this shambles
Each one fighting each other was madness and had they all supported the first WDA we would now be out of the EU and TM and the conservatives would be riding high
I hope this break and the collapse in the polls will bring them to their senses to pass the WDA and leave on the 1st June, thereby extinguishing the Brexit party before it extinguishes them
The only way for the WDA to be passed in the near future is with official Labour support. And its very unlikely to get official Labour support in the near future unless a referendum is tacked on. And if a referendum is tacked on there will probably have to be a further extension of A50. Which means that the chance of the UK being out of the EU in time to cancel the EP elections is minimal.
Corbyn is likely to get in because The Tories look like a bunch of fruitcakes and Corbyn looks like the only person who can save us from them. Remarkable but true
The teaching profession are arseholes. They've spent the last 40 to 50 years attempting to use their position to create a socialist utopia by trying to brainwash people who are too naive to understand what they're up to. And they're utterly shameless about it, because they think they're RIGHT and KNOW BEST. Shame on them.
Andy, perhaps now would be a good time to step away from the Breitbart and go to the pub, yes? PB will still be there in the morning.
The Telegraph have an interesting take on the extension. They are reporting that the socialists round the table, Spain, Greece, etc wanted the UK to hold EU elections because Labour would do well and they are part of the socialist grouping in the EU. Whereas no UK political party is part of the EPP the main competition to the socialists. Did Corbyn not attend a big socialist summit in Spain not so long ago.
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Change UK have been no help to themselves so far. Tried to find their website earlier and couldn't, seems they are still using the Independent Group. What's their colours, logo, slogan, platform? Seems like it's been confirmed as well that each party will stand separately as well (according to guardian).
CUK is an utter shambles. Still at least it will give centrists something to blame other than their politics when they disappear
It's a paradox that while Farage Mark 2 generates a media bandwagon, Change UK with 11 MP's get little coverage.
Paradox resolved: Change UK have no real communicable agenda apart from keeping things the same by Remaining. This may be important but flies in the face of its hopelessly unoriginal name. And while they have some very reasonable and decent members - Heidi Allen stands out - they don't have a single charismatic leader. An agenda of keeping things the same while calling yourself 'Change' makes good Matt cartoons ('What don't we want...When don't we want it' etc) but is of limited appeal to a personality driven media. And there isn't a route for them to win any seats and retain their careers, so they look like losers. Bingo.
Nigel Farage hasn’t articulated what he wants. But his version of nihilism has more subscribers.
I'd say he's more wrecker than nihilist.
Probably so. The true nihilist would accept all the personal consequences of rejecting political & social structures, to the point of extreme self sacrifice. Farage couldn't stretch to giving up his ciggies and pint. Or walking more than a few dozen miles.
It’s revealing that he waited until a No Deal Brexit was ruled out before coming back to fight for it.
Well, yes. But it has to be said this acts oddly in favour of the Charles-is-actually-the-father-of-Harry theory, since the face-swapped version seems the same.
With all due respect to Flavible, there is no way the LibDems get 33 seats on 11% of the vote.
Given that the UKIP, Brexit and CUK votes are spread evenly and wasted, the LibDems are effectively batting from 13% against the Tories on about 32%. That's a much narrower gap than last time and would enable the LibDems to recover their position in Wales and the West Country.
Indeed so - and that Yougov poll had the Tories as low as 28% with the LibDems on 11% - implying a swing from Con to LD of circa 9%. That could well take them to circa 30 seats or so - though I doubt they would regain Leeds NW from Labour. Southport would probably be unlikely too given the fall to third place in 2017.
The teaching profession are arseholes. They've spent the last 40 to 50 years attempting to use their position to create a socialist utopia by trying to brainwash people who are too naive to understand what they're up to. And they're utterly shameless about it, because they think they're RIGHT and KNOW BEST. Shame on them.
Whoa this is some crazy shit. Any evidence for this accusation? I don't personally recall any Marxist indoctrination at school and haven't yet noticed any at my kids' schools - just a whole lot of hard work for not a whole lot of money. Also, if teachers have been hellbent on creating this socialist utopia all these years, I can only say they have not been very successful.
One thing that I have never understood about England, is how many normally rational people are so dismissive of schools and teachers. In the US the tiniest state support of the health service is rabidly attacked by moderates as communist, but has mostly state schools, and there is no suggestion of privatising the school system. In Germany teachers are highly respected, and a good education of the next generation is considered essential for the country.
The result of this mistrust in teachers in England, has led to the erosion of them being professionals in terms of applying their own judgement and experience in their teaching, and teachers having a rediculous workload during term time.
Corbyn is likely to get in because The Tories look like a bunch of fruitcakes and Corbyn looks like the only person who can save us from them. Remarkable but true
A minority Corbyn government with a C&S arrangement with the Lib Dems and/or SNP could not be worse than the "government" we have now. And could be considerably better.
Because youre not Corbyn and being a monumental wanker to the disabled gives you mild wood Because you want to promise the earth and deliver a spoon Because you're morally dead Because you believe the trickle down bullshit
Well, yes. But it has to be said this acts oddly in favour of the Charles-is-actually-the-father-of-Harry theory, since the face-swapped version seems the same.
Sorry? Was there ever a suggestion that Harry wasn't the son of Prince Charles?
The Telegraph have an interesting take on the extension. They are reporting that the competition to the socialists. Did Corbyn not attend a big socialist summit in Spain not so long ago.
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Change UK have been no help to themselves so far. Tried to find their website earlier and couldn't, seems they are still using the Independent Group. What's their colours, logo, slogan, platform? Seems like it's been confirmed as well that each party will stand separately as well (according to guardian).
CUK is an utter shambles. Still at least it will give centrists something to blame other than their politics when they disappear
It's a paradox that while Farage Mark 2 generates a media bandwagon, Change UK with 11 MP's get little coverage.
Paradox resolved: Change UK have no real communicable agenda apart from keeping things the same by Remaining. This may be important but flies in the face of its hopelessly unoriginal name. And while they have some very reasonable and decent members - Heidi Allen stands out - they don't have a single charismatic leader. An agenda of keeping things the same while calling yourself 'Change' makes good Matt cartoons ('What don't we want...When don't we want it' etc) but is of limited appeal to a personality driven media. And there isn't a route for them to win any seats and retain their careers, so they look like losers. Bingo.
Nigel Farage hasn’t articulated what he wants. But his version of nihilism has more subscribers.
I'd say he's more wrecker than nihilist.
Probably so. The true nihilist would accept all the personal consequences of rejecting political & social structures, to the point of extreme self sacrifice. Farage couldn't stretch to giving up his ciggies and pint. Or walking more than a few dozen miles.
It’s revealing that he waited until a No Deal Brexit was ruled out before coming back to fight for it.
Wasn’t it March 29th coming and going without us having left that brought on the comeback?
The teaching profession are arseholes. They've spent the last 40 to 50 years attempting to use their position to create a socialist utopia by trying to brainwash people who are too naive to understand what they're up to. And they're utterly shameless about it, because they think they're RIGHT and KNOW BEST. Shame on them.
Whoa this is some crazy shit. Any evidence for this accusation? I don't personally recall any Marxist indoctrination at school and haven't yet noticed any at my kids' schools - just a whole lot of hard work for not a whole lot of money. Also, if teachers have been hellbent on creating this socialist utopia all these years, I can only say they have not been very successful.
One thing that I have never understood about England, is how many normally rational people are so dismissive of schools and teachers. In the US the tiniest state support of the health service is rabidly attacked by moderates as communist, but has mostly state schools, and there is no suggestion of privatising the school system. In Germany teachers are highly respected, and a good education of the next generation is considered essential for the country.
The result of this mistrust in teachers in England, has led to the erosion of them being professionals in terms of applying their own judgement and experience in their teaching, and teachers having a rediculous workload during term time.
When I become the country's first directly elected dictator/imperator of the UK I'd abolish the department of education, use the money as non transferable vouchers to parents.
Fee paying schools are one of the country's finest things, producing so many awesome people as well fantastically well educated.
Watch this country's education performance soar as education is privatised.
With all due respect to Flavible, there is no way the LibDems get 33 seats on 11% of the vote.
Given that the UKIP, Brexit and CUK votes are spread evenly and wasted, the LibDems are effectively batting from 13% against the Tories on about 32%. That's a much narrower gap than last time and would enable the LibDems to recover their position in Wales and the West Country.
Indeed so - and that Yougov poll had the Tories as low as 28% with the LibDems on 11% - implying a swing from Con to LD of circa 9%. That could well take them to circa 30 seats or so - though I doubt they would regain Leeds NW from Labour. Southport would probably be unlikely too given the fall to third place in 2017.
It says a lot that when Labour is at 29% the LDs get 72 seats in Westminster, but when the tories are at that level LDs think 30 seats is a good result!
Yes, he will be a fine King. Not that being Monarch requires merit, indeed that is the antithesis of the institution. Next in line becomes Sovereign, whether saint or dickhead.
Do you know why I want there to be Euro Elections?
Because last time around (to my eternal shame), I was seduced by the Purple Surge that was UKIP, it was the one and only time I voted UKIP, so I don't want the 2014 vote to be the last Euro Elections we'll ever have!
The Telegraph have an interesting take on the extension. They are reporting that the competition to the socialists. Did Corbyn not attend a big socialist summit in Spain not so long ago.
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Change UK have been no help to themselves so far. Tried to find their website earlier and couldn't, seems they are still using the Independent Group. What's their colours, logo, slogan, platform? Seems like it's been confirmed as well that each party will stand separately as well (according to guardian).
CUK is an utter shambles. Still at least it will give centrists something to blame other than their politics when they disappear
It's a paradox that while Farage Mark 2 generates a media bandwagon, Change UK with 11 MP's get little coverage.
Paradox resolved: Change UK have no real communicable agenda apart from keeping things the same by Remaining. This may be important but flies in the face of its hopelessly unoriginal name. And while they have some very reasonable and decent members - Heidi Allen stands out - they don't have a single charismatic leader. An agenda of keeping things the same while calling yourself 'Change' makes good Matt cartoons ('What don't we want...When don't we want it' etc) but is of limited appeal to a personality driven media. And there isn't a route for them to win any seats and retain their careers, so they look like losers. Bingo.
Nigel Farage hasn’t articulated what he wants. But his version of nihilism has more subscribers.
I'd say he's more wrecker than nihilist.
Probably so. The true nihilist would accept all the personal consequences of rejecting political & social structures, to the point of extreme self sacrifice. Farage couldn't stretch to giving up his ciggies and pint. Or walking more than a few dozen miles.
It’s revealing that he waited until a No Deal Brexit was ruled out before coming back to fight for it.
Wasn’t it March 29th coming and going without us having left that brought on the comeback?
If he was that bothered about leaving on March 29th, he'd have lifted a finger before then.
It is analysis by Professor Sir John Curtice (pbuh), he's always right.
I know there are different house ways of treating the data, but, I have to admit, the concept of an 'Exclusive Poll of Polls' does leave me scratching my head slightly.
The teaching profession are arseholes. They've spent the last 40 to 50 years attempting to use their position to create a socialist utopia by trying to brainwash people who are too naive to understand what they're up to. And they're utterly shameless about it, because they think they're RIGHT and KNOW BEST. Shame on them.
Whoa this is some crazy shit. Any evidence for this accusation? I don't personally recall any Marxist indoctrination at school and haven't yet noticed any at my kids' schools - just a whole lot of hard work for not a whole lot of money. Also, if teachers have been hellbent on creating this socialist utopia all these years, I can only say they have not been very successful.
One thing that I have never understood about England, is how many normally rational people are so dismissive of schools and teachers. In the US the tiniest state support of the health service is rabidly attacked by moderates as communist, but has mostly state schools, and there is no suggestion of privatising the school system. In Germany teachers are highly respected, and a good education of the next generation is considered essential for the country.
The result of this mistrust in teachers in England, has led to the erosion of them being professionals in terms of applying their own judgement and experience in their teaching, and teachers having a rediculous workload during term time.
When I become the country's first directly elected dictator/imperator of the UK I'd abolish the department of education, use the money as non transferable vouchers to parents.
Fee paying schools are one of the country's finest things, producing so many awesome people .
Such as David Cameron and Boris Johnson.
The men who did more than anyone else to create todays Conservative Party.
Well, yes. But it has to be said this acts oddly in favour of the Charles-is-actually-the-father-of-Harry theory, since the face-swapped version seems the same.
Sorry? Was there ever a suggestion that Harry wasn't the son of Prince Charles?
Never. It was never rumoured that the redhaired Prince Harry was the child of anybody else other than the dark-haired Prince Charles. And definitely not because his blonde mother Princess Diana had an affair with the redhaired James Hewitt. And they've taken gene tests so that's alright then.
The teaching profession are arseholes. They've spent the last 40 to 50 years attempting to use their position to create a socialist utopia by trying to brainwash people who are too naive to understand what they're up to. And they're utterly shameless about it, because they think they're RIGHT and KNOW BEST. Shame on them.
Whoa this is some crazy shit. Any evidence for this accusation? I don't personally recall any Marxist indoctrination at school and haven't yet noticed any at my kids' schools - just a whole lot of hard work for not a whole lot of money. Also, if teachers have been hellbent on creating this socialist utopia all these years, I can only say they have not been very successful.
One thing that I have never understood about England, is how many normally rational people are so dismissive of schools and teachers. In the US the tiniest state support of the health service is rabidly attacked by moderates as communist, but has mostly state schools, and there is no suggestion of privatising the school system. In Germany teachers are highly respected, and a good education of the next generation is considered essential for the country.
The result of this mistrust in teachers in England, has led to the erosion of them being professionals in terms of applying their own judgement and experience in their teaching, and teachers having a rediculous workload during term time.
When I become the country's first directly elected dictator/imperator of the UK I'd abolish the department of education, use the money as non transferable vouchers to parents.
Fee paying schools are one of the country's finest things, producing so many awesome people .
I'm not a teacher, but I've a lot of relations who are. It's always seemed to me that whoever said we're all experts on education because we've all been to school hit the nail on the head. Trouble is, as a pupil, or the parents of pupils we look at it through a very narrow view. I worked in health and heard all sorts of strange opinions about GP's and other health professionals, which were largely the result of one or two experiences, or experiences of one or two professionals, and that really isn't representative.
Just look at how far we have fallen compared to other countries. Our education system is a joke and yet our teaching profession still try to pretend it is fit for purpose. You don't have to be any kind of expert to see how that is an indictment of both our politicians and the teaching profession.
Or perhaps our parenting abilities. When children start school wearing nappies, unable to hold a pencil or utensils, or dress themselves, it is a difficult start for child and also teachers.
Do you know why I want there to be Euro Elections?
Because last time around (to my eternal shame), I was seduced by the Purple Surge that was UKIP, it was the one and only time I voted UKIP, so I don't want the 2014 vote to be the last Euro Elections we'll ever have!
(hope that makes sense!)
The ultimate act of repentance - a wonderful opportunity for cleansing and purification!
The Telegraph have an interesting take on the extension. They are reporting that the competition to the socialists. Did Corbyn not attend a big socialist summit in Spain not so long ago.
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Change UK have been no help to themselves so far. Tried to find their website earlier and couldn't, seems they are still using the Independent Group. What's their colours, logo, slogan, platform? Seems like it's been confirmed as well that each party will stand separately as well (according to guardian).
CUK is an utter shambles. Still at least it will give centrists something to blame other than their politics when they disappear
It's a paradox that while Farage Mark 2 generates a media bandwagon, Change UK with 11 MP's get little coverage.
t have a single charismatic leader. An agenda of keeping things the same while calling yourself 'Change' makes good Matt cartoons ('What don't we want...When don't we want it' etc) but is of limited appeal to a personality driven media. And there isn't a route for them to win any seats and retain their careers, so they look like losers. Bingo.
Nigel Farage hasn’t articulated what he wants. But his version of nihilism has more subscribers.
I'd say he's more wrecker than nihilist.
Probably so. The true nihilist would accept all the personal consequences of rejecting political & social structures, to the point of extreme self sacrifice. Farage couldn't stretch to giving up his ciggies and pint. Or walking more than a few dozen miles.
It’s revealing that he waited until a No Deal Brexit was ruled out before coming back to fight for it.
Wasn’t it March 29th coming and going without us having left that brought on the comeback?
If he was that bothered about leaving on March 29th, he'd have lifted a finger before then.
The teaching profession are arseholes. They've spent the last 40 to 50 years attempting to use their position to create a socialist utopia by trying to brainwash people who are too naive to understand what they're up to. And they're utterly shameless about it, because they think they're RIGHT and KNOW BEST. Shame on them.
Whoa this is some crazy shit. Any evidence for this accusation? I don't personally recall any Marxist indoctrination at school and haven't yet noticed any at my kids' schools - just a whole lot of hard work for not a whole lot of money. Also, if teachers have been hellbent on creating this socialist utopia all these years, I can only say they have not been very successful.
One thing that I have never understood about England, is how many normally rational people are so dismissive of schools and teachers. In the US the tiniest state support of the health service is rabidly attacked by moderates as communist, but has mostly state schools, and there is no suggestion of privatising the school system. In Germany teachers are highly respected, and a good education of the next generation is considered essential for the country.
The result of this mistrust in teachers in England, has led to the erosion of them being professionals in terms of applying their own judgement and experience in their teaching, and teachers having a rediculous workload during term time.
When I become the country's first directly elected dictator/imperator of the UK I'd abolish the department of education, use the money as non transferable vouchers to parents.
Fee paying schools are one of the country's finest things, producing so many awesome people as well fantastically well educated.
Watch this country's education performance soar as education is privatised.
If you doubled the education budget, it might almost make sense. Otherwise, utter bollocks.
The teaching profession are arseholes. They've spent the last 40 to 50 years attempting to use their position to create a socialist utopia by trying to brainwash people who are too naive to understand what they're up to. And they're utterly shameless about it, because they think they're RIGHT and KNOW BEST. Shame on them.
Whoa this is some crazy shit. Any evidence for this accusation? I don't personally recall any Marxist indoctrination at school and haven't yet noticed any at my kids' schools - just a whole lot of hard work for not a whole lot of money. Also, if teachers have been hellbent on creating this socialist utopia all these years, I can only say they have not been very successful.
One thing that I have never understood about England, is how many normally rational people are so dismissive of schools and teachers. In the US the tiniest state support of the health service is rabidly attacked by moderates as communist, but has mostly state schools, and there is no suggestion of privatising the school system. In Germany teachers are highly respected, and a good education of the next generation is considered essential for the country.
The result of this mistrust in teachers in England, has led to the erosion of them being professionals in terms of applying their own judgement and experience in their teaching, and teachers having a rediculous workload during term time.
When I become the country's first directly elected dictator/imperator of the UK I'd abolish the department of education, use the money as non transferable vouchers to parents.
Fee paying schools are one of the country's finest things, producing so many awesome people .
Such as David Cameron and Boris Johnson.
The men who did more than anyone else to create todays Conservative Party.
For Brexit, don't blame the Estonians, blame the Etonions.
The teaching profession are arseholes. They've spent the last 40 to 50 years attempting to use their position to create a socialist utopia by trying to brainwash people who are too naive to understand what they're up to. And they're utterly shameless about it, because they think they're RIGHT and KNOW BEST. Shame on them.
Whoa this is some crazy shit. Any evidence for this accusation? I don't personally recall any Marxist indoctrination at school and haven't yet noticed any at my kids' schools - just a whole lot of hard work for not a whole lot of money. Also, if teachers have been hellbent on creating this socialist utopia all these years, I can only say they have not been very successful.
One thing that I have never understood about England, is how many normally rational people are so dismissive of schools and teachers. In the US the tiniest state support of the health service is rabidly attacked by moderates as communist, but has mostly state schools, and there is no suggestion of privatising the school system. In Germany teachers are highly respected, and a good education of the next generation is considered essential for the country.
The result of this mistrust in teachers in England, has led to the erosion of them being professionals in terms of applying their own judgement and experience in their teaching, and teachers having a rediculous workload during term time.
When I become the country's first directly elected dictator/imperator of the UK I'd abolish the department of education, use the money as non transferable vouchers to parents.
Fee paying schools are one of the country's finest things, producing so many awesome people .
Such as David Cameron and Boris Johnson
One became PM, the other Foreign Secretary.
It ain’t what you know, it’s who you know and what Daddy can pay for.
I think the Tories will lose 1000 to 1200 seats on May 2 and tbh I think they'd take that atm. The euros are going to be brutal though. The interest for me is who wins from green, lib, chuk
In the 2015 locals the Tories won 5,521 seats to 2,278 seats for Labour, so losing 1000 to 1200 seats would still see the Tories win more seats than Labour on May 2nd even if the Euros prove a bloodbath (though of course the Tories were 3rd in the 2014 Euros anyway).
But 2015 & 2019 local elections are in "the Shires". If the tories were to win less council seats in 3 weeks than Labour then they really are toast.
I think the Tories will lose 1000 to 1200 seats on May 2 and tbh I think they'd take that atm. The euros are going to be brutal though. The interest for me is who wins from green, lib, chuk
In the 2015 locals the Tories won 5,521 seats to 2,278 seats for Labour, so losing 1000 to 1200 seats would still see the Tories win more seats than Labour on May 2nd even if the Euros prove a bloodbath (though of course the Tories were 3rd in the 2014 Euros anyway).
It would also still be better than the Tories did in the 1995 locals when they lost 2,018 seats overnight
It wont be as bad as 95 for sure, labour dont have the support Blair did, but ironically the euros will be much worse than 94 with Major vs Beckett
If Yougov is to be believed (and I expect Opinium's numbers would be similar) 21% of 2017 Conservatives have shifted rightwards, compared to 3% supporting Labour (offset by 4% of Labour voters moving rightwards). So, while Labour will benefit from Conservatives abstaining, they aren't gaining many switchers.
My recollection is that 1997 wasn't mainly about Tories switching to Labour, but about Tories staying at home.
The "two surviving former 1922 chairmen"? Much as I would like MPs to go thru the Hunger Games (go on: you'd love it), I can't help thinking that's a bit harsh...
Well, yes. But it has to be said this acts oddly in favour of the Charles-is-actually-the-father-of-Harry theory, since the face-swapped version seems the same.
Sorry? Was there ever a suggestion that Harry wasn't the son of Prince Charles?
Never. It was never rumoured that the redhaired Prince Harry was the child of anybody else other than the dark-haired Prince Charles. And definitely not because his blonde mother Princess Diana had an affair with the redhaired James Hewitt. And they've taken gene tests so that's alright then.
But Harry looks like Charles! Of all the questionable paterninty rumours, that one is just laughable.
The teaching profession are arseholes. They've spent the last 40 to 50 years attempting to use their position to create a socialist utopia by trying to brainwash people who are too naive to understand what they're up to. And they're utterly shameless about it, because they think they're RIGHT and KNOW BEST. Shame on them.
Whoa this is some crazy shit. Any evidence for this accusation? I don't personally recall any Marxist indoctrination at school and haven't yet noticed any at my kids' schools - just a whole lot of hard work for not a whole lot of money. Also, if teachers have been hellbent on creating this socialist utopia all these years, I can only say they have not been very successful.
One thing that I have never understood about England, is how many normally rational people are so dismissive of schools and teachers. In the US the tiniest state support of the health service is rabidly attacked by moderates as communist, but has mostly state schools, and there is no suggestion of privatising the school system. In Germany teachers are highly respected, and a good education of the next generation is considered essential for the country.
The result of this mistrust in teachers in England, has led to the erosion of them being professionals in terms of applying their own judgement and experience in their teaching, and teachers having a rediculous workload during term time.
When I become the country's first directly elected dictator/imperator of the UK I'd abolish the department of education, use the money as non transferable vouchers to parents.
Fee paying schools are one of the country's finest things, producing so many awesome people .
Such as David Cameron and Boris Johnson
One became PM, the other Foreign Secretary.
And many would say that Cameron was the worst PM and Boris the worst Foreign Secretary in modern British history.
The Telegraph have an interesting take on the extension. They are reporting that the socialists round the table, Spain, Greece, etc wanted the UK to hold EU elections because Labour would do well and they are part of the socialist grouping in the EU. Whereas no UK political party is part of the EPP the main competition to the socialists. Did Corbyn not attend a big socialist summit in Spain not so long ago.
Brexit Party looks very professional I must admit. Great clear name, distinctive colour and slogan\branding. Think Farage, who will of course be invited everywhere by the media, will do very well in the EU elections, probably first, can't see Labour holding up in EU elections at all. Why vote for them or the tories? It's going to be a proxy referendum.
Change UK have been no help to themselves so far. Tried to find their website earlier and couldn't, seems they are still using the Independent Group. What's their colours, logo, slogan, platform? Seems like it's been confirmed as well that each party will stand separately as well (according to guardian).
CUK is an utter shambles. Still at least it will give centrists something to blame other than their politics when they disappear
It's a paradox that while Farage Mark 2 generates a media bandwagon, Change UK with 11 MP's get little coverage.
Paradox resolved: Change UK have no real communicable agenda apart from keeping things the same by Remaining. This may be important but flies in the face of its hopelessly unoriginal name. And while they have some very reasonable and decent members - Heidi Allen stands out - they don't have a single charismatic leader. An agenda of keeping things the same while calling yourself 'Change' makes good Matt cartoons ('What don't we want...When don't we want it' etc) but is of limited appeal to a personality driven media. And there isn't a route for them to win any seats and retain their careers, so they look like losers. Bingo.
That is probably correct. They want to Change back to 2005.
The teaching profession are arseholes. They've spent the last 40 to 50 years attempting to use their position to create a socialist utopia by trying to brainwash people who are too naive to understand what they're up to. And they're utterly shameless about it, because they think they're RIGHT and KNOW BEST. Shame on them.
Whoa this is some crazy shit. Any evidence for this accusation? I don't personally recall any Marxist indoctrination at school and haven't yet noticed any at my kids' schools - just a whole lot of hard work for not a whole lot of money. Also, if teachers have been hellbent on creating this socialist utopia all these years, I can only say they have not been very successful.
One thing that I have never understood about England, is how many normally rational people are so dismissive of schools and teachers. In the US the tiniest state support of the health service is rabidly attacked by moderates as communist, but has mostly state schools, and there is no suggestion of privatising the school system. In Germany teachers are highly respected, and a good education of the next generation is considered essential for the country.
The result of this mistrust in teachers in England, has led to the erosion of them being professionals in terms of applying their own judgement and experience in their teaching, and teachers having a rediculous workload during term time.
When I become the country's first directly elected dictator/imperator of the UK I'd abolish the department of education, use the money as non transferable vouchers to parents.
Fee paying schools are one of the country's finest things, producing so many awesome people .
Such as David Cameron and Boris Johnson
One became PM, the other Foreign Secretary.
And both were shit at their jobs. Private schools are good for getting people into positions of power and influence, but less good at equipping them with the necessary skills to do a good job once they get there. It's the same reason that state school pupils do better at university. They are a private benefit to their pupils but impose a cost on society as a whole. I'm not sure they can be abolished in a free society, but let's not pretend they're anything but a racket.
The teaching profession are arseholes. They've spent the last 40 to 50 years attempting to use their position to create a socialist utopia by trying to brainwash people who are too naive to understand what they're up to. And they're utterly shameless about it, because they think they're RIGHT and KNOW BEST. Shame on them.
Whoa this is some crazy shit. Any evidence for this accusation? I don't personally recall any Marxist indoctrination at school and haven't yet noticed any at my kids' schools - just a whole lot of hard work for not a whole lot of money. Also, if teachers have been hellbent on creating this socialist utopia all these years, I can only say they have not been very successful.
One thing that I have never understood about England, is how many normally rational people are so dismissive of schools and teachers. In the US the tiniest state support of the health service is rabidly attacked by moderates as communist, but has mostly state schools, and there is no suggestion of privatising the school system. In Germany teachers are highly respected, and a good education of the next generation is considered essential for the country.
The result of this mistrust in teachers in England, has led to the erosion of them being professionals in terms of applying their own judgement and experience in their teaching, and teachers having a rediculous workload during term time.
I wonder if people became dismissive of teachers when they stopped being referred to as schoolmasters.
I'm not a teacher, but I've a lot of relations who are. It's always seemed to me that whoever said we're all experts on education because we've all been to school hit the nail on the head. Trouble is, as a pupil, or the parents of pupils we look at it through a very narrow view. I worked in health and heard all sorts of strange opinions about GP's and other health professionals, which were largely the result of one or two experiences, or experiences of one or two professionals, and that really isn't representative.
Just look at how far we have fallen compared to other countries. Our education system is a joke and yet our teaching profession still try to pretend it is fit for purpose. You don't have to be any kind of expert to see how that is an indictment of both our politicians and the teaching profession.
Or perhaps our parenting abilities. When children start school wearing nappies, unable to hold a pencil or utensils, or dress themselves, it is a difficult start for child and also teachers.
That is an extremely recent development as I understand it. It certainly doesn't account for 30 years of plummeting standards.
The teaching profession are arseholes. They've spent the last 40 to 50 years attempting to use their position to create a socialist utopia by trying to brainwash people who are too naive to understand what they're up to. And they're utterly shameless about it, because they think they're RIGHT and KNOW BEST. Shame on them.
Whoa this is some crazy shit. Any evidence for this accusation? I don't personally recall any Marxist indoctrination at school and haven't yet noticed any at my kids' schools - just a whole lot of hard work for not a whole lot of money. Also, if teachers have been hellbent on creating this socialist utopia all these years, I can only say they have not been very successful.
One thing that I have never understood about England, is how many normally rational people are so dismissive of schools and teachers. In the US the tiniest state support of the health service is rabidly attacked by moderates as communist, but has mostly state schools, and there is no suggestion of privatising the school system. In Germany teachers are highly respected, and a good education of the next generation is considered essential for the country.
The result of this mistrust in teachers in England, has led to the erosion of them being professionals in terms of applying their own judgement and experience in their teaching, and teachers having a rediculous workload during term time.
When I become the country's first directly elected dictator/imperator of the UK I'd abolish the department of education, use the money as non transferable vouchers to parents.
Fee paying schools are one of the country's finest things, producing so many awesome people .
Such as David Cameron and Boris Johnson.
The men who did more than anyone else to create todays Conservative Party.
For Brexit, don't blame the Estonians, blame the Etonions.
I don't know if you intended it, but "Etonions" is fabulous.
The teaching profession are arseholes. They've spent the last 40 to 50 years attempting to use their position to create a socialist utopia by trying to brainwash people who are too naive to understand what they're up to. And they're utterly shameless about it, because they think they're RIGHT and KNOW BEST. Shame on them.
Whoa this is some crazy shit. Any evidence for this accusation? I don't personally recall any Marxist indoctrination at school and haven't yet noticed any at my kids' schools - just a whole lot of hard work for not a whole lot of money. Also, if teachers have been hellbent on creating this socialist utopia all these years, I can only say they have not been very successful.
One thing that I have never understood about England, is how many normally rational people are so dismissive of schools and teachers. In the US the tiniest state support of the health service is rabidly attacked by moderates as communist, but has mostly state schools, and there is no suggestion of privatising the school system. In Germany teachers are highly respected, and a good education of the next generation is considered essential for the country.
The result of this mistrust in teachers in England, has led to the erosion of them being professionals in terms of applying their own judgement and experience in their teaching, and teachers having a rediculous workload during term time.
When I become the country's first directly elected dictator/imperator of the UK I'd abolish the department of education, use the money as non transferable vouchers to parents.
Fee paying schools are one of the country's finest things, producing so many awesome people .
Such as David Cameron and Boris Johnson
One became PM, the other Foreign Secretary.
And many would say they are the most disastrous occupants of these offices in modern British history.
What about the PM and Foreign Secretary that lied about Iraqi WMD which resulted in a war that killed 100,000s of Iraqis and many British military casualties and fatalities?
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The Spartans will think it's because we aren't pursuing a no deal Brexit. Grieve will think it's because we aren't cancelling Brexit.
How do you think this should affect the Greens and the Lib Dems? The Greens outpolled the Lib Dems in 2014, so it would be strange for the Lib Dems to receive more attention.
As for the Brexit Party being the successor party to UKIP , who has the right to claim that? UKIP still exits and polled almost 9% at a by election a week ago . To repeat my earlier point, I am not aware that Farage has been elected leader of his new party. He is self appointed and answerable to no one.
Anyway, here's a rather good article about the current state of brexitation:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/opinion/brexit-extension-european-union.html
I particularly like the line
"Brexit is not doable because it makes no sense....."
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/apr/13/billy-vunipola-booed-bristol-mccall-saracens
The true nihilist would accept all the personal consequences of rejecting political & social structures, to the point of extreme self sacrifice. Farage couldn't stretch to giving up his ciggies and pint. Or walking more than a few dozen miles.
What have they done to the beautiful Meghan? I don't remember her eyes being so close together.
https://twitter.com/davidberens/status/1117163950318280705
The result of this mistrust in teachers in England, has led to the erosion of them being professionals in terms of applying their own judgement and experience in their teaching, and teachers having a rediculous workload during term time.
Because you want to promise the earth and deliver a spoon
Because you're morally dead
Because you believe the trickle down bullshit
Monarchy = jobs for life
Monarchy = Socialism
Fee paying schools are one of the country's finest things, producing so many awesome people as well fantastically well educated.
Watch this country's education performance soar as education is privatised.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLQeb5NGt3E
Because last time around (to my eternal shame), I was seduced by the Purple Surge that was UKIP, it was the one and only time I voted UKIP, so I don't want the 2014 vote to be the last Euro Elections we'll ever have!
(hope that makes sense!)
The men who did more than anyone else to create todays Conservative Party.
Otherwise, utter bollocks.
Oh and I would remove university status from the shit ones.
University attendance should be for the best, not the 50% target.
I'd also make it fee free for those studying STEM, engineering, history, medicine, and the best degrees of all, law based ones.