To be fair to Hunt, I don't think that's too bad as a short explanation. England vs Britain...... well for a man who isn't sure where his wife comes from......
In most foreign languages Britain is England. Apologies to any Caledonian readers who bristle at this fact.
I think TIGs would find it easy to abstain. "We don't have confidence in the government, but we don't have confidence in Corbyn as an alternative either". How could anyone argue with that?
Because under the FTPA once the government is no confidrnced any new government must pass a vote of confidence or there's an election so thrh would need to vote no confidence in both for that position to hold. They are hoping to get to conference season after which they should have a platform and structure to fight from
On topic, labours share has to be considered in light of Lammy and the ongoing anti semite issues. Their lead is as solid as a twix bar in this climate
Question regarding the EU elections. What's the point of no return for our participation in them? If the WA was passed before 23 May would the elections just not happen?
In practice I think we're already past the point of no return because ratification also requires the legislation to pass. The EU parliament term ends on the 18th so there's no time for them to vote on the WA either.
Surely Parliament would be recalled if an agreement was reached between May and Corbyn? Alternative thought: If an agreement was reached but the legislation would take too long (such that we'd be in the EU for mere days after the election) would the EU waive the requirement for us to hold elections, or could the UK unilaterally suspend them and simply appoint MEPs for those days?
To be fair to Hunt, I don't think that's too bad as a short explanation. England vs Britain...... well for a man who isn't sure where his wife comes from......
In most foreign languages Britain is England. Apologies to any Caledonian readers who bristle at this fact.
Perhaps the PB Japanese speakers (that should probably be singular) can confirm if this is accurate?
Whilst I applaud the balanced and totally objective opening sentence of your comment, I am far from convinced that being seen as Tory allies represents a credible way forward for a supposedly centrist group - particularly in the context of a Government already abandoned by the DUP.
Quite. Stopping Brexit is fundamental for the Tiggers. And so sustaining a Tory Government trying to deliver Brexit would be fatal for them - their supporter base, such as it is, would never forgive them.
This parliament is not particularly likely to deliver brexit (without a referendum). So calling a general election does not decrease the chance of brexit, I think it is just as likely to increase it. How all this would be perceived, who knows.
I agree, and generally think the likely impact of a GE on Brexit is completely wrong. At the moment there is no majority in Parliament for any specific form of Brexit (or revoking A50), but that's only possible because at GE17 parties had vague Brexit policies in their manifestos. If we haven't left by the next election it's likely Lab/Con will both have a pretty specific deal in their manifestos, so if either wins a majority the Brexit blockage will end.
Being a Tory and voting against the WA is justifiable if you argue your mandate from GE17 is for a better deal than that, or being Labour and voting against Customs Union. But it's pretty hard to justify if the manifesto and the bill you're voting on match up precisely.
The Tiggers would presumably vote against Theresa May in a vote of no confidence and against having confidence in Jeremy Corbyn, while signalling that other potential candidates could get their confidence.
Whilst I applaud the balanced and totally objective opening sentence of your comment, I am far from convinced that being seen as Tory allies represents a credible way forward for a supposedly centrist group - particularly in the context of a Government already abandoned by the DUP.
Quite. Stopping Brexit is fundamental for the Tiggers. And so sustaining a Tory Government trying to deliver Brexit would be fatal for them - their supporter base, such as it is, would never forgive them.
As I said on the previous post, TIG looks like it could well develop into the kind of Conservative party that Cameron and Osborne were hoping to create. All the signs are that it is attracting a growing number of non-nationalist, mainstream Tories who rather liked the 2010-2015 coalition. As the Tories hurtle rightwards, my guess is that it will turn out to be much more for the likes of Richard Nabavi and TSE than for people like me.
The Tiggers would presumably vote against Theresa May in a vote of no confidence and against having confidence in Jeremy Corbyn, while signalling that other potential candidates could get their confidence.
That's not very hard really.
I wonder if they want a quick election for maximum flux or a long Parliament for maximum party-building time? My guess is the latter, but I'm far from sure.
To be fair to Hunt, I don't think that's too bad as a short explanation. England vs Britain...... well for a man who isn't sure where his wife comes from......
In most foreign languages Britain is England. Apologies to any Caledonian readers who bristle at this fact.
Perhaps the PB Japanese speakers (that should probably be singular) can confirm if this is accurate?
The Tiggers would presumably vote against Theresa May in a vote of no confidence and against having confidence in Jeremy Corbyn, while signalling that other potential candidates could get their confidence.
That's not very hard really.
I wonder if they want a quick election for maximum flux or a long Parliament for maximum party-building time? My guess is the latter, but I'm far from sure.
Ideally the latter but if there were a vote of no confidence against the current administration they would need to follow the logic of their position. In practice 2 weeks would be ample time to establish whether it would be possible to put together a government of national unity. What would Tom Watson's faction do in those circumstances? That would seem to me to be the central question.
Whilst I applaud the balanced and totally objective opening sentence of your comment, I am far from convinced that being seen as Tory allies represents a credible way forward for a supposedly centrist group - particularly in the context of a Government already abandoned by the DUP.
Quite. Stopping Brexit is fundamental for the Tiggers. And so sustaining a Tory Government trying to deliver Brexit would be fatal for them - their supporter base, such as it is, would never forgive them.
As I said on the previous post, TIG looks like it could well develop into the kind of Conservative party that Cameron and Osborne were hoping to create. All the signs are that it is attracting a growing number of non-nationalist, mainstream Tories who rather liked the 2010-2015 coalition. As the Tories hurtle rightwards, my guess is that it will turn out to be much more for the likes of Richard Nabavi and TSE than for people like me.
Aside from the EU positioning it's what Owen's SDP where angling at.
The Tiggers would presumably vote against Theresa May in a vote of no confidence and against having confidence in Jeremy Corbyn, while signalling that other potential candidates could get their confidence.
That's not very hard really.
I wonder if they want a quick election for maximum flux or a long Parliament for maximum party-building time? My guess is the latter, but I'm far from sure.
They probably want to get to late 2019 then they'll have the infrastructure and policy platform and be ready to rock. Plus they'd no doubt like a few councillors from by elections etc so as to start a presence
Whilst I applaud the balanced and totally objective opening sentence of your comment, I am far from convinced that being seen as Tory allies represents a credible way forward for a supposedly centrist group - particularly in the context of a Government already abandoned by the DUP.
Quite. Stopping Brexit is fundamental for the Tiggers. And so sustaining a Tory Government trying to deliver Brexit would be fatal for them - their supporter base, such as it is, would never forgive them.
As I said on the previous post, TIG looks like it could well develop into the kind of Conservative party that Cameron and Osborne were hoping to create. All the signs are that it is attracting a growing number of non-nationalist, mainstream Tories who rather liked the 2010-2015 coalition. As the Tories hurtle rightwards, my guess is that it will turn out to be much more for the likes of Richard Nabavi and TSE than for people like me.
It will be interesting to see who they align with in the European Parliament (if they get anyone elected). EPP?
The Tiggers would presumably vote against Theresa May in a vote of no confidence and against having confidence in Jeremy Corbyn, while signalling that other potential candidates could get their confidence.
That's not very hard really.
I wonder if they want a quick election for maximum flux or a long Parliament for maximum party-building time? My guess is the latter, but I'm far from sure.
Do the Tiggers actually have any members yet or activists?
Whilst I applaud the balanced and totally objective opening sentence of your comment, I am far from convinced that being seen as Tory allies represents a credible way forward for a supposedly centrist group - particularly in the context of a Government already abandoned by the DUP.
Quite. Stopping Brexit is fundamental for the Tiggers. And so sustaining a Tory Government trying to deliver Brexit would be fatal for them - their supporter base, such as it is, would never forgive them.
As I said on the previous post, TIG looks like it could well develop into the kind of Conservative party that Cameron and Osborne were hoping to create. All the signs are that it is attracting a growing number of non-nationalist, mainstream Tories who rather liked the 2010-2015 coalition. As the Tories hurtle rightwards, my guess is that it will turn out to be much more for the likes of Richard Nabavi and TSE than for people like me.
Well TIG badly needs to develop into something. My MP is one of the Labour defectors but so far there seems to be no presence on the ground, I am not aware of any councillors or prominent figures in the Party locally who have gone with him and no attempt has been made to set up a local branch or party structure of any kind.
The Tiggers would presumably vote against Theresa May in a vote of no confidence and against having confidence in Jeremy Corbyn, while signalling that other potential candidates could get their confidence.
That's not very hard really.
I wonder if they want a quick election for maximum flux or a long Parliament for maximum party-building time? My guess is the latter, but I'm far from sure.
Do the Tiggers actually have any members yet or activists?
Local activist groups are set up on Facebook and have begun meeting etc
Whilst I applaud the balanced and totally objective opening sentence of your comment, I am far from convinced that being seen as Tory allies represents a credible way forward for a supposedly centrist group - particularly in the context of a Government already abandoned by the DUP.
Quite. Stopping Brexit is fundamental for the Tiggers. And so sustaining a Tory Government trying to deliver Brexit would be fatal for them - their supporter base, such as it is, would never forgive them.
As I said on the previous post, TIG looks like it could well develop into the kind of Conservative party that Cameron and Osborne were hoping to create. All the signs are that it is attracting a growing number of non-nationalist, mainstream Tories who rather liked the 2010-2015 coalition. As the Tories hurtle rightwards, my guess is that it will turn out to be much more for the likes of Richard Nabavi and TSE than for people like me.
It sounds like John Stevens' Pro-Euro Conservative Party.
Whilst I applaud the balanced and totally objective opening sentence of your comment, I am far from convinced that being seen as Tory allies represents a credible way forward for a supposedly centrist group - particularly in the context of a Government already abandoned by the DUP.
Quite. Stopping Brexit is fundamental for the Tiggers. And so sustaining a Tory Government trying to deliver Brexit would be fatal for them - their supporter base, such as it is, would never forgive them.
As I said on the previous post, TIG looks like it could well develop into the kind of Conservative party that Cameron and Osborne were hoping to create. All the signs are that it is attracting a growing number of non-nationalist, mainstream Tories who rather liked the 2010-2015 coalition. As the Tories hurtle rightwards, my guess is that it will turn out to be much more for the likes of Richard Nabavi and TSE than for people like me.
It will be interesting to see who they align with in the European Parliament (if they get anyone elected). EPP?
To be fair to Hunt, I don't think that's too bad as a short explanation. England vs Britain...... well for a man who isn't sure where his wife comes from......
In most foreign languages Britain is England. Apologies to any Caledonian readers who bristle at this fact.
Perhaps the PB Japanese speakers (that should probably be singular) can confirm if this is accurate?
Whilst I applaud the balanced and totally objective opening sentence of your comment, I am far from convinced that being seen as Tory allies represents a credible way forward for a supposedly centrist group - particularly in the context of a Government already abandoned by the DUP.
Quite. Stopping Brexit is fundamental for the Tiggers. And so sustaining a Tory Government trying to deliver Brexit would be fatal for them - their supporter base, such as it is, would never forgive them.
As I said on the previous post, TIG looks like it could well develop into the kind of Conservative party that Cameron and Osborne were hoping to create. All the signs are that it is attracting a growing number of non-nationalist, mainstream Tories who rather liked the 2010-2015 coalition. As the Tories hurtle rightwards, my guess is that it will turn out to be much more for the likes of Richard Nabavi and TSE than for people like me.
It sounds like John Stevens' Pro-Euro Conservative Party.
Except they were up against a Conservative party saying it was inconceivable to leave the EU, not one where half the cabinet want a no deal Brexit.
I suppose the question is how many times can Hunt return to Japan before the leadership election? It's great social media every time he does
But the biggie for him, what I bet he is working on furiously, is surely springing Nazanin Zaghari-Rathcliffe. If he can do that, and be there at Heathrow to welcome her back, live on the main news, he will get a massive boost, even though 'Nazanin' sounds (and the woman herself looks) a bit Muslimy from the perspective of some of the party membership.
Whilst I applaud the balanced and totally objective opening sentence of your comment, I am far from convinced that being seen as Tory allies represents a credible way forward for a supposedly centrist group - particularly in the context of a Government already abandoned by the DUP.
Quite. Stopping Brexit is fundamental for the Tiggers. And so sustaining a Tory Government trying to deliver Brexit would be fatal for them - their supporter base, such as it is, would never forgive them.
As I said on the previous post, TIG looks like it could well develop into the kind of Conservative party that Cameron and Osborne were hoping to create. All the signs are that it is attracting a growing number of non-nationalist, mainstream Tories who rather liked the 2010-2015 coalition. As the Tories hurtle rightwards, my guess is that it will turn out to be much more for the likes of Richard Nabavi and TSE than for people like me.
It sounds like John Stevens' Pro-Euro Conservative Party.
It is not easy to form a new party successfully. It is particularly difficult to attract a mass membership of moderates, since in our culture 'moderate' means, among other things, being the sort of person who does not organise politically. I think the last moderate to have much success in membership building, at least in England, was a chap called T. Blair. I remember all sorts of decent people joining Labour at the time. Whayever happened to him? Anyone know how that project turned out? And what, I wonder, happened to the keen moderate membership?
The Tiggers would be trapped - particularly as the LibDems are now likely to find an early election quite an appealing prospect given the shift in the polls.
The LibDems might not be reliable either. They might want to change leader first. Each party will be trying to optimise the timing for themselves.
The serious prospect of recouping half their 2015 losses to the Tories would be difficult to resist.
There are 22 Tory gains from the LDs in 2015 that are still Tory. Here's the list of majorities under 4,000:
St Ives 312 Cheltenham 2569
You have omitted Richmond Park , but on the basis of current polls the LDs would be hopeful of recovering Devon North, Cheadle,Lewes, St Albans, Wells, Hazel Grove, Winchester & Cornwall North. Gains from Labour, Plaid and SNP would be possible in Sheffield Hallam, Ceredigion and Fife NE respectively.
The Tiggers would be trapped - particularly as the LibDems are now likely to find an early election quite an appealing prospect given the shift in the polls.
The LibDems might not be reliable either. They might want to change leader first. Each party will be trying to optimise the timing for themselves.
The serious prospect of recouping half their 2015 losses to the Tories would be difficult to resist.
There are 22 Tory gains from the LDs in 2015 that are still Tory. Here's the list of majorities under 4,000:
St Ives 312 Cheltenham 2569
You have omitted Richmond Park , but on the basis of current polls the LDs would be hopeful of recovering Devon North, Cheadle,Lewes, St Albans, Wells, Hazel Grove, Winchester & Cornwall North. Gains from Labour, Plaid and SNP would be possible in Sheffield Hallam, Ceredigion and Fife NE respectively.
The Lib Dems are eternally hopeful. In recent years I have not lost money betting on them underperforming expectations.
Whilst I applaud the balanced and totally objective opening sentence of your comment, I am far from convinced that being seen as Tory allies represents a credible way forward for a supposedly centrist group - particularly in the context of a Government already abandoned by the DUP.
Quite. Stopping Brexit is fundamental for the Tiggers. And so sustaining a Tory Government trying to deliver Brexit would be fatal for them - their supporter base, such as it is, would never forgive them.
As I said on the previous post, TIG looks like it could well develop into the kind of Conservative party that Cameron and Osborne were hoping to create. All the signs are that it is attracting a growing number of non-nationalist, mainstream Tories who rather liked the 2010-2015 coalition. As the Tories hurtle rightwards, my guess is that it will turn out to be much more for the likes of Richard Nabavi and TSE than for people like me.
Well TIG badly needs to develop into something. My MP is one of the Labour defectors but so far there seems to be no presence on the ground, I am not aware of any councillors or prominent figures in the Party locally who have gone with him and no attempt has been made to set up a local branch or party structure of any kind.
I think they can reasonably claim they have not had much time to do anything other than be in Parliament dealing with the various Brexit votes. They have focused on those and everything else has been put to the side. But that has meant others have been able to do the defining. It looks too late for them already from a centre left perspective.
The Tiggers would presumably vote against Theresa May in a vote of no confidence and against having confidence in Jeremy Corbyn, while signalling that other potential candidates could get their confidence.
That's not very hard really.
I wonder if they want a quick election for maximum flux or a long Parliament for maximum party-building time? My guess is the latter, but I'm far from sure.
Do the Tiggers actually have any members yet or activists?
They have an email list of 'supporters' and a list of people who have donated, and some councillors have defected to them. Their first party conference is planned for autumn 2019 to elect a permanent leader, so presumably the plan is to recruit formal members and activists over the summer, with the Euro Elections as a springboard (they'd be pretty unlucky not to win any MEPs).
The Tiggers would be trapped - particularly as the LibDems are now likely to find an early election quite an appealing prospect given the shift in the polls.
The LibDems might not be reliable either. They might want to change leader first. Each party will be trying to optimise the timing for themselves.
The serious prospect of recouping half their 2015 losses to the Tories would be difficult to resist.
There are 22 Tory gains from the LDs in 2015 that are still Tory. Here's the list of majorities under 4,000:
St Ives 312 Cheltenham 2569
You have omitted Richmond Park , but on the basis of current polls the LDs would be hopeful of recovering Devon North, Cheadle,Lewes, St Albans, Wells, Hazel Grove, Winchester & Cornwall North. Gains from Labour, Plaid and SNP would be possible in Sheffield Hallam, Ceredigion and Fife NE respectively.
The Lib Dems are eternally hopeful. In recent years I have not lost money betting on them underperforming expectations.
I understand that , but conditions have suddenly become more attractive for them than at any time since 2010.With the exception of St Albans - where Labour might also be competitive - all those seats were LibDem held until 2015.
I think TIGs would find it easy to abstain. "We don't have confidence in the government, but we don't have confidence in Corbyn as an alternative either". How could anyone argue with that?
On the basis that the TIGs could vote against both!
The Tiggers would be trapped - particularly as the LibDems are now likely to find an early election quite an appealing prospect given the shift in the polls.
The LibDems might not be reliable either. They might want to change leader first. Each party will be trying to optimise the timing for themselves.
The serious prospect of recouping half their 2015 losses to the Tories would be difficult to resist.
There are 22 Tory gains from the LDs in 2015 that are still Tory. Here's the list of majorities under 4,000:
St Ives 312 Cheltenham 2569
You have omitted Richmond Park , but on the basis of current polls the LDs would be hopeful of recovering Devon North, Cheadle,Lewes, St Albans, Wells, Hazel Grove, Winchester & Cornwall North. Gains from Labour, Plaid and SNP would be possible in Sheffield Hallam, Ceredigion and Fife NE.
Richmond Park got filtered out by my spreadsheet search: it is an edge case and depends on how you treat by-elections. The Tories gained it in 2010, then "re-gained" it in 2015 after the by-election shenanigans. Clearly that's a decent target!
Of your list, Cheadle and Lewes are quite plausible, being Remain seats needing a 5% swing or thereabouts. Devon North is closer in majority terms but a 57% Leave seat. St Albans [62% Remain] is certainly a possibility but that would be a first-time gain. The other Tory gains all look a stretch, based on a mixture of majority and leaviness.
Things could change if the LDs can start squeezing the Labour vote down again, but there's a far more distance between the two parties now than there was in the heyday of tactical voting.
I suppose the question is how many times can Hunt return to Japan before the leadership election? It's great social media every time he does
But the biggie for him, what I bet he is working on furiously, is surely springing Nazanin Zaghari-Rathcliffe. If he can do that, and be there at Heathrow to welcome her back, live on the main news, he will get a massive boost, even though 'Nazanin' sounds (and the woman herself looks) a bit Muslimy from the perspective of some of the party membership.
Aren't the Iranians still digesting Boris' 'apology and withdrawal"? I suspect that statement still causes suspicion in some at least Iranian minds.
This is what I alluded to earlier . The government simply doesn’t have the time to push through the WAIB .
The Lords has no incentive to speed things up and MPs won’t appreciate being rushed , the Bill is likely to cause a major meltdown in the Tory party . There’s likely to be even less support amongst Tories than in MV 2.5 .
The government needs to face reality , it’s not happening and EU elections are unavoidable .
Whilst I applaud the balanced and totally objective opening sentence of your comment, I am far from convinced that being seen as Tory allies represents a credible way forward for a supposedly centrist group - particularly in the context of a Government already abandoned by the DUP.
Quite. Stopping Brexit is fundamental for the Tiggers. And so sustaining a Tory Government trying to deliver Brexit would be fatal for them - their supporter base, such as it is, would never forgive them.
As I said on the previous post, TIG looks like it could well develop into the kind of Conservative party that Cameron and Osborne were hoping to create. All the signs are that it is attracting a growing number of non-nationalist, mainstream Tories who rather liked the 2010-2015 coalition. As the Tories hurtle rightwards, my guess is that it will turn out to be much more for the likes of Richard Nabavi and TSE than for people like me.
Well TIG badly needs to develop into something. My MP is one of the Labour defectors but so far there seems to be no presence on the ground, I am not aware of any councillors or prominent figures in the Party locally who have gone with him and no attempt has been made to set up a local branch or party structure of any kind.
I think they can reasonably claim they have not had much time to do anything other than be in Parliament dealing with the various Brexit votes. They have focused on those and everything else has been put to the side. But that has meant others have been able to do the defining. It looks too late for them already from a centre left perspective.
Yes, Watson appears to have steadied the moderate Labour ship for the time being and as long as Labour does nothing that might suggest it was going to abandon its commitment to a second referendum I don't see any more defections from them in the immediate future. But the Tories are clearly more fragile - a leadership contest won by Johnson or Raab would certainly push some of them in TIG's direction. If, on the other hand, May remains in place and Brexit continues to founder it's not impossible to see the ERG ultras and a lot of the Tory grassroots peeling off to the Farage party which would leave the Tory moderates left to join forces with the Tiggers.
Mr. L, I've read that some MEPs who voted for the deal were misled by claims about changes to the proposal, and they recanted their support but the vote stood. If that's accurate, it would certainly provide legitimate grounds for opposing the idiotic Articles 11 and 13 on the grounds MEPs should vote again.
To be fair to Hunt, I don't think that's too bad as a short explanation. England vs Britain...... well for a man who isn't sure where his wife comes from......
In most foreign languages Britain is England. Apologies to any Caledonian readers who bristle at this fact.
Perhaps the PB Japanese speakers (that should probably be singular) can confirm if this is accurate?
The Tiggers would be trapped - particularly as the LibDems are now likely to find an early election quite an appealing prospect given the shift in the polls.
The LibDems might not be reliable either. They might want to change leader first. Each party will be trying to optimise the timing for themselves.
The serious prospect of recouping half their 2015 losses to the Tories would be difficult to resist.
There are 22 Tory gains from the LDs in 2015 that are still Tory. Here's the list of majorities under 4,000:
St Ives 312 Cheltenham 2569
You have omitted Richmond Park , but on the basis of current polls the LDs would be hopeful of recovering Devon North, Cheadle,Lewes, St Albans, Wells, Hazel Grove, Winchester & Cornwall North. Gains from Labour, Plaid and SNP would be possible in Sheffield Hallam, Ceredigion and Fife NE.
Richmond Park got filtered out by my spreadsheet search: it is an edge case and depends on how you treat by-elections. The Tories gained it in 2010, then "re-gained" it in 2015 after the by-election shenanigans. Clearly that's a decent target!
Of your list, Cheadle and Lewes are quite plausible, being Remain seats needing a 5% swing or thereabouts. Devon North is closer in majority terms but a 57% Leave seat. St Albans [62% Remain] is certainly a possibility but that would be a first-time gain. The other Tory gains all look a stretch, based on a mixture of majority and leaviness.
Things could change if the LDs can start squeezing the Labour vote down again, but there's a far more distance between the two parties now than there was in the heyday of tactical voting.
Your point re-tactical voting is fair , but - with the exception of St Albans - those Tory seats do not have a history of significant Labour support over a period of decades. I have excluded Southport as Labour took second place in 2017 and may be in a position to challenge next time.Labour will have a new candidate in Sheffield Hallam too - though I have no sense of how that might play out. The Tory seats listed would be vulnerable to a swing of 7% or 8% from Con to LibDem - as implied by current polls. Whether that lasts or not , is another matter.
Dems seem to have a problem supporting female and ethnic minority candidates....
Such as Obama!
I'm trolling the party's obsession with identity politics of course, but it does raise a point about the future.
Hillary couldn't retain the level of Black support Obama won, nor did voters seem to think her possession of a vagina was necessarily a qualification for the presidency in of itself. So how on earth are the Dems going to keep together their coalition of competing interests?
To be fair to Hunt, I don't think that's too bad as a short explanation. England vs Britain...... well for a man who isn't sure where his wife comes from......
In most foreign languages Britain is England. Apologies to any Caledonian readers who bristle at this fact.
Perhaps the PB Japanese speakers (that should probably be singular) can confirm if this is accurate?
Have you a list of all these other languages that translate Britain as England? It would make fascinating reading.
Chinese is the same characters as Japanese. (Pronounced Ing Guo in Mandarin). It got that name before the Act of Union. There is also a Su ge lan (Scotland). Can't remember the characters.
In fairness has the government not taken the line of not looking to rock the boat on the basis that we are leaving anyway?
Of course, if we don't....but then we will have other things to worry about.
The government of which Johnson was a part, and its predecessor, advocated for the Copyright Directive. The UK likes strong IP laws because we produce a lot of IP - especially content protected by copyright.
I suppose the question is how many times can Hunt return to Japan before the leadership election? It's great social media every time he does
But the biggie for him, what I bet he is working on furiously, is surely springing Nazanin Zaghari-Rathcliffe. If he can do that, and be there at Heathrow to welcome her back, live on the main news, he will get a massive boost, even though 'Nazanin' sounds (and the woman herself looks) a bit Muslimy from the perspective of some of the party membership.
There's Nazaneen Ghaffar who does the SKY weather forecast.
This is what I alluded to earlier . The government simply doesn’t have the time to push through the WAIB .
The Lords has no incentive to speed things up and MPs won’t appreciate being rushed , the Bill is likely to cause a major meltdown in the Tory party . There’s likely to be even less support amongst Tories than in MV 2.5 .
The government needs to face reality , it’s not happening and EU elections are unavoidable .
I think they do plan the option voting for before the locals, so she is possibly wrong on that point
The Lords is clearly a problem, and having suffered leaver filibustering already the majority has little reason to co-operate, unless Labour comes to fear Euro elections like the Tories. So long as top place looks achievable I can't see it.
Mr. Observer, the technological illiteracy and authoritarian tendencies are also unlikely to make the government receptive to the legitimate and numerous voices raised in opposition to the new nonsense.
Mr. L, I've read that some MEPs who voted for the deal were misled by claims about changes to the proposal, and they recanted their support but the vote stood. If that's accurate, it would certainly provide legitimate grounds for opposing the idiotic Articles 11 and 13 on the grounds MEPs should vote again.
Sounds about what you would expect from the European Parliament.
I think they can reasonably claim they have not had much time to do anything other than be in Parliament dealing with the various Brexit votes. They have focused on those and everything else has been put to the side. But that has meant others have been able to do the defining. It looks too late for them already from a centre left perspective.
They seem to have had time to go and lobby Nancy Pelosi against Labour (the day before she met Corbyn). They're doing a good job of convincing people that they are simply the Anti-Corbyn Project, which is probably not a sufficient;y substantial base to recruit more defectors.
‘I notice that the right honourable Gentleman hasn’t welcomed...’
“LONDON (AP) — Brexit may be causing all sorts of uncertainty in Britain but it doesn’t seem to be putting off foreign investors.
In a survey on corporate deal-making published Monday, consulting and accounting firm EY says Britain is the top investment destination in the world for the first time in the report’s 10-year history — overtaking the United States, which has held the top spot since 2014.”
I think they can reasonably claim they have not had much time to do anything other than be in Parliament dealing with the various Brexit votes. They have focused on those and everything else has been put to the side. But that has meant others have been able to do the defining. It looks too late for them already from a centre left perspective.
They seem to have had time to go and lobby Nancy Pelosi against Labour (the day before she met Corbyn). They're doing a good job of convincing people that they are simply the Anti-Corbyn Project, which is probably not a sufficient;y substantial base to recruit more defectors.
The opprobrium heaped on them by labour tribalists is very 1981 SDP. Similar fear no doubt
‘I notice that the right honourable Gentleman hasn’t welcomed...’
“LONDON (AP) — Brexit may be causing all sorts of uncertainty in Britain but it doesn’t seem to be putting off foreign investors.
In a survey on corporate deal-making published Monday, consulting and accounting firm EY says Britain is the top investment destination in the world for the first time in the report’s 10-year history — overtaking the United States, which has held the top spot since 2014.”
I think they can reasonably claim they have not had much time to do anything other than be in Parliament dealing with the various Brexit votes. They have focused on those and everything else has been put to the side. But that has meant others have been able to do the defining. It looks too late for them already from a centre left perspective.
They seem to have had time to go and lobby Nancy Pelosi against Labour (the day before she met Corbyn). They're doing a good job of convincing people that they are simply the Anti-Corbyn Project, which is probably not a sufficient;y substantial base to recruit more defectors.
The opprobrium heaped on them by labour tribalists is very 1981 SDP. Similar fear no doubt
Only one SDP-er resigned and re-contested his seat: Bruce Douglas-Mann in Mitcham & Morden in 1982. He lost, and a split leftwing vote let in Angela Rumbold of the Tories, even though her vote-share went down slightly.
This is what I alluded to earlier . The government simply doesn’t have the time to push through the WAIB .
The Lords has no incentive to speed things up and MPs won’t appreciate being rushed , the Bill is likely to cause a major meltdown in the Tory party . There’s likely to be even less support amongst Tories than in MV 2.5 .
The government needs to face reality , it’s not happening and EU elections are unavoidable .
Perhaps they are taking lessons from Cooper and Letwin. That was certainly legislative aggression unseen in Parliament for many years if ever. They have shown the way to ride roughshod over procedure and perhaps the Government should follow suit.
‘I notice that the right honourable Gentleman hasn’t welcomed...’
“LONDON (AP) — Brexit may be causing all sorts of uncertainty in Britain but it doesn’t seem to be putting off foreign investors.
In a survey on corporate deal-making published Monday, consulting and accounting firm EY says Britain is the top investment destination in the world for the first time in the report’s 10-year history — overtaking the United States, which has held the top spot since 2014.”
I'm a leaver but I don't find much to celebrate about UK based companies being bought up on the cheap by international conglomerates on the back of a weaker pound. Direct investment in new plant etc is certainly to be welcomed but buying up existing businesses simply means that more of the tax on the profits is likely to be paid elsewhere in future.
Foreign investment is also largely the other side of the coin from the trade deficit (since foreigners have excess Sterling). Our trade deficit is also nothing to boast about.
Looking at the domestic market I really don't think it is questionable that the pigs ear that our political class have made of Brexit will have discouraged and delayed further investment here. It really is important that our politicians stop the nonsense.
To be fair to Hunt, I don't think that's too bad as a short explanation. England vs Britain...... well for a man who isn't sure where his wife comes from......
In most foreign languages Britain is England. Apologies to any Caledonian readers who bristle at this fact.
Perhaps the PB Japanese speakers (that should probably be singular) can confirm if this is accurate?
This is what I alluded to earlier . The government simply doesn’t have the time to push through the WAIB .
The Lords has no incentive to speed things up and MPs won’t appreciate being rushed , the Bill is likely to cause a major meltdown in the Tory party . There’s likely to be even less support amongst Tories than in MV 2.5 .
The government needs to face reality , it’s not happening and EU elections are unavoidable .
I think they do plan the option voting for before the locals, so she is possibly wrong on that point
The Lords is clearly a problem, and having suffered leaver filibustering already the majority has little reason to co-operate, unless Labour comes to fear Euro elections like the Tories. So long as top place looks achievable I can't see it.
The voting options are unlikely to come up next week which means the earliest is early May . MPs will also have their attention on the local elections . Labour seems fine about the EU elections as does the rest of the opposition barring the DUP . The pro EU Tories have no interest in a speedy resolution . May can’t force through a timetable against the wishes of MPs and Lords . The government seems stuck in la la land .
The Tiggers would presumably vote against Theresa May in a vote of no confidence and against having confidence in Jeremy Corbyn, while signalling that other potential candidates could get their confidence.
That's not very hard really.
I wonder if they want a quick election for maximum flux or a long Parliament for maximum party-building time? My guess is the latter, but I'm far from sure.
Do the Tiggers actually have any members yet or activists?
You don't need those when your virtue shines so bright.
I think they can reasonably claim they have not had much time to do anything other than be in Parliament dealing with the various Brexit votes. They have focused on those and everything else has been put to the side. But that has meant others have been able to do the defining. It looks too late for them already from a centre left perspective.
They seem to have had time to go and lobby Nancy Pelosi against Labour (the day before she met Corbyn). They're doing a good job of convincing people that they are simply the Anti-Corbyn Project, which is probably not a sufficient;y substantial base to recruit more defectors.
Presumably they were invited to meet her, rather than just turning up by chance to lobby her. From Pelosi's own Tweet of her meeting with Corbyn, she is clearly very aware of the anti-Semitism that has infected labour since he became leader. I think it's pretty hard to argue against the notion that all MPs have been pretty busy over the last few weeks.
I agree, though, that being anti-Corbyn is nowhere near enough. I can't see a reason to vote for TIG. There are plenty of other ways to vote to try to stop Corbyn becoming PM.
This is what I alluded to earlier . The government simply doesn’t have the time to push through the WAIB .
The Lords has no incentive to speed things up and MPs won’t appreciate being rushed , the Bill is likely to cause a major meltdown in the Tory party . There’s likely to be even less support amongst Tories than in MV 2.5 .
The government needs to face reality , it’s not happening and EU elections are unavoidable .
Perhaps they are taking lessons from Cooper and Letwin. That was certainly legislative aggression unseen in Parliament for many years if ever. They have shown the way to ride roughshod over procedure and perhaps the Government should follow suit.
But if the government wants to ride roughshod over procedures it needs to have the votes to do so. Which it hasn't got.
‘I notice that the right honourable Gentleman hasn’t welcomed...’
“LONDON (AP) — Brexit may be causing all sorts of uncertainty in Britain but it doesn’t seem to be putting off foreign investors.
In a survey on corporate deal-making published Monday, consulting and accounting firm EY says Britain is the top investment destination in the world for the first time in the report’s 10-year history — overtaking the United States, which has held the top spot since 2014.”
I'm a leaver but I don't find much to celebrate about UK based companies being bought up on the cheap by international conglomerates on the back of a weaker pound. Direct investment in new plant etc is certainly to be welcomed but buying up existing businesses simply means that more of the tax on the profits is likely to be paid elsewhere in future.
Foreign investment is also largely the other side of the coin from the trade deficit (since foreigners have excess Sterling). Our trade deficit is also nothing to boast about.
Looking at the domestic market I really don't think it is questionable that the pigs ear that our political class have made of Brexit will have discouraged and delayed further investment here. It really is important that our politicians stop the nonsense.
Yep. We were bought by a US private equity house. It's a great time to be buying UK businesses. But day to day business investment in the UK has very badly stalled over the last year and a half.
This is what I alluded to earlier . The government simply doesn’t have the time to push through the WAIB .
The Lords has no incentive to speed things up and MPs won’t appreciate being rushed , the Bill is likely to cause a major meltdown in the Tory party . There’s likely to be even less support amongst Tories than in MV 2.5 .
The government needs to face reality , it’s not happening and EU elections are unavoidable .
Perhaps they are taking lessons from Cooper and Letwin. That was certainly legislative aggression unseen in Parliament for many years if ever. They have shown the way to ride roughshod over procedure and perhaps the Government should follow suit.
Except Cooper and Letwin was a short one page Bill . The WAIB won’t be that simple , it will cover in detail the role of the ECJ , financial obligations etc . MPs will be able to amend it aswell as the timetable . The government refuses to accept reality and is digging a deep hole for itself which is par for the course given the events of the last year .
To be fair to Hunt, I don't think that's too bad as a short explanation. England vs Britain...... well for a man who isn't sure where his wife comes from......
In most foreign languages Britain is England. Apologies to any Caledonian readers who bristle at this fact.
Perhaps the PB Japanese speakers (that should probably be singular) can confirm if this is accurate?
Have you a list of all these other languages that translate Britain as England? It would make fascinating reading.
They are not right in the head and I am not talking about the Japanese.
I could be wrong, and I've no doubt someone will correct me if I am, but isn't the French for the UK 'Le Royaume Uni' but in ordinary conversation they just use 'Angleterre?'
To be fair to Hunt, I don't think that's too bad as a short explanation. England vs Britain...... well for a man who isn't sure where his wife comes from......
In most foreign languages Britain is England. Apologies to any Caledonian readers who bristle at this fact.
Perhaps the PB Japanese speakers (that should probably be singular) can confirm if this is accurate?
Have you a list of all these other languages that translate Britain as England? It would make fascinating reading.
They are not right in the head and I am not talking about the Japanese.
I could be wrong, and I've no doubt someone will correct me if I am, but isn't the French for the UK 'Le Royaume Uni' but in ordinary conversation they just use 'Angleterre?'
And HMQEII is routinely referred to as “the queen of England”.
Just as well there aren’t any grievance mongers lurking in the undergrowth waiting to take offence....
And to add to the gaiety of the nation Malay/Indonesia translates “Britain” as “Britania” and “Great Britain” as “Inggris Raya” (Great England).
I think they can reasonably claim they have not had much time to do anything other than be in Parliament dealing with the various Brexit votes. They have focused on those and everything else has been put to the side. But that has meant others have been able to do the defining. It looks too late for them already from a centre left perspective.
They seem to have had time to go and lobby Nancy Pelosi against Labour (the day before she met Corbyn). They're doing a good job of convincing people that they are simply the Anti-Corbyn Project, which is probably not a sufficient;y substantial base to recruit more defectors.
The three Tories who joined them are looking more farcical by the day.....
I think they can reasonably claim they have not had much time to do anything other than be in Parliament dealing with the various Brexit votes. They have focused on those and everything else has been put to the side. But that has meant others have been able to do the defining. It looks too late for them already from a centre left perspective.
They seem to have had time to go and lobby Nancy Pelosi against Labour (the day before she met Corbyn). They're doing a good job of convincing people that they are simply the Anti-Corbyn Project, which is probably not a sufficient;y substantial base to recruit more defectors.
The opprobrium heaped on them by labour tribalists is very 1981 SDP. Similar fear no doubt
The SDP was also at its strongest at the time of launch in Spring 1981. By early 1982 quite a bit of air had disappeared from the balloon - even before the Falklands conflict came along.There were two surges following the strong showing of Roy Jenjins in July 1981 and Shirley Williams's triumph at Crosby in late November that year, but the period of heady enthusiasm as exemplified by packed public meetings up and down the land was in March/April 1981. The SDP alone - excluding the Liberals - was polling above 30% in hypothetical polls.
I think they can reasonably claim they have not had much time to do anything other than be in Parliament dealing with the various Brexit votes. They have focused on those and everything else has been put to the side. But that has meant others have been able to do the defining. It looks too late for them already from a centre left perspective.
They seem to have had time to go and lobby Nancy Pelosi against Labour (the day before she met Corbyn). They're doing a good job of convincing people that they are simply the Anti-Corbyn Project, which is probably not a sufficient;y substantial base to recruit more defectors.
The opprobrium heaped on them by labour tribalists is very 1981 SDP. Similar fear no doubt
Only one SDP-er resigned and re-contested his seat: Bruce Douglas-Mann in Mitcham & Morden in 1982. He lost, and a split leftwing vote let in Angela Rumbold of the Tories, even though her vote-share went down slightly.
He was very unlucky in that the by election coincided with the middle of the Falklands War.
This is what I alluded to earlier . The government simply doesn’t have the time to push through the WAIB .
The Lords has no incentive to speed things up and MPs won’t appreciate being rushed , the Bill is likely to cause a major meltdown in the Tory party . There’s likely to be even less support amongst Tories than in MV 2.5 .
The government needs to face reality , it’s not happening and EU elections are unavoidable .
Perhaps they are taking lessons from Cooper and Letwin. That was certainly legislative aggression unseen in Parliament for many years if ever. They have shown the way to ride roughshod over procedure and perhaps the Government should follow suit.
The government doesn't have the numbers.
If the government had the numbers then I'm sure it would be rushed through, just as a small number of Acts have been rushed through in the past when circumstance convinced a majority it was necessary - say for anti-Terror legislation.
Clearly the Cooper-Letwin Act had to be rushed through, because of the Article 50 deadline.
To be fair to Hunt, I don't think that's too bad as a short explanation. England vs Britain...... well for a man who isn't sure where his wife comes from......
In most foreign languages Britain is England. Apologies to any Caledonian readers who bristle at this fact.
Perhaps the PB Japanese speakers (that should probably be singular) can confirm if this is accurate?
Have you a list of all these other languages that translate Britain as England? It would make fascinating reading.
They are not right in the head and I am not talking about the Japanese.
I could be wrong, and I've no doubt someone will correct me if I am, but isn't the French for the UK 'Le Royaume Uni' but in ordinary conversation they just use 'Angleterre?'
For Scotland they always use Ecosse. They ask if you are English with lip curled up but change and smile when you say no Je suis Ecosse
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England: イングランド (Ingurando)
Britain/UK: 英国 (Igirisu)
Have you a list of all these other languages that translate Britain as England? It would make fascinating reading.
Being a Tory and voting against the WA is justifiable if you argue your mandate from GE17 is for a better deal than that, or being Labour and voting against Customs Union. But it's pretty hard to justify if the manifesto and the bill you're voting on match up precisely.
That's not very hard really.
Hes really not very astute. Assange and Begum.
https://twitter.com/MarietjeSchaake/status/1117752742011916289
Of your list, Cheadle and Lewes are quite plausible, being Remain seats needing a 5% swing or thereabouts. Devon North is closer in majority terms but a 57% Leave seat. St Albans [62% Remain] is certainly a possibility but that would be a first-time gain. The other Tory gains all look a stretch, based on a mixture of majority and leaviness.
Things could change if the LDs can start squeezing the Labour vote down again, but there's a far more distance between the two parties now than there was in the heyday of tactical voting.
Of course, if we don't....but then we will have other things to worry about.
https://twitter.com/PhilipWegmann/status/1117755189988032515
Jeez...
The Lords has no incentive to speed things up and MPs won’t appreciate being rushed , the Bill is likely to cause a major meltdown in the Tory party . There’s likely to be even less support amongst Tories than in MV 2.5 .
The government needs to face reality , it’s not happening and EU elections are unavoidable .
Hillary couldn't retain the level of Black support Obama won, nor did voters seem to think her possession of a vagina was necessarily a qualification for the presidency in of itself. So how on earth are the Dems going to keep together their coalition of competing interests?
There is also a Su ge lan (Scotland). Can't remember the characters.
The Lords is clearly a problem, and having suffered leaver filibustering already the majority has little reason to co-operate, unless Labour comes to fear Euro elections like the Tories. So long as top place looks achievable I can't see it.
“LONDON (AP) — Brexit may be causing all sorts of uncertainty in Britain but it doesn’t seem to be putting off foreign investors.
In a survey on corporate deal-making published Monday, consulting and accounting firm EY says Britain is the top investment destination in the world for the first time in the report’s 10-year history — overtaking the United States, which has held the top spot since 2014.”
https://apnews.com/c879be500904499a97f751ff40916c31
Foreign investment is also largely the other side of the coin from the trade deficit (since foreigners have excess Sterling). Our trade deficit is also nothing to boast about.
Looking at the domestic market I really don't think it is questionable that the pigs ear that our political class have made of Brexit will have discouraged and delayed further investment here. It really is important that our politicians stop the nonsense.
I agree, though, that being anti-Corbyn is nowhere near enough. I can't see a reason to vote for TIG. There are plenty of other ways to vote to try to stop Corbyn becoming PM.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/sargon-akkad-discord-ukip-mep-campaign
What a f***ing catastrophe these EU elections are going to be.
https://twitter.com/bytebot/status/1117323665865969664
Just as well there aren’t any grievance mongers lurking in the undergrowth waiting to take offence....
And to add to the gaiety of the nation Malay/Indonesia translates “Britain” as “Britania” and “Great Britain” as “Inggris Raya” (Great England).
If the government had the numbers then I'm sure it would be rushed through, just as a small number of Acts have been rushed through in the past when circumstance convinced a majority it was necessary - say for anti-Terror legislation.
Clearly the Cooper-Letwin Act had to be rushed through, because of the Article 50 deadline.