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edited April 16 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » In the fight for the WH2020 Democratic nomination 37 year old Mayor Pete moves to 3rd in the betting

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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 10,900
    Rhodes must fall.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 7,063
    edited April 16
    Carthage must be destroyed.
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 1,985
    He'll never get nominated, his name is too difficult to pronounce :)
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 10,900
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 18,602
    edited April 16
    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 5,277
    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 23,828
    Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments. ;)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47938188
  • felixfelix Posts: 8,666
    I have a hunch that Note Dame will be back!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,612
    edited April 16
    felix said:

    I have a hunch that Note Dame will be back!

    There is such an easy pun to be made there about bells' ends...
  • felixfelix Posts: 8,666
    ydoethur said:

    felix said:

    I have a hunch that Note Dame will be back!

    There is such an easy pun to be made there about bells' ends...
    You're just a quasi comedian.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,215
    @AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.

    He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.

    Go Pete :smile:
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 5,507
    Looking at the graph, it reminds me of the Tory contenders popping up and disappearing - like virtual particles. But the geriatric groper continues to rule (the Democratic one, I mean)
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,576

    Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments. ;)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47938188

    That’s just a derivation of the old Celtic migration theory

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,612
    This is a highly unfortunate way of putting it:

    Between 1792 and 1806, Pitt lived at Walmer Castle, and conceived the Glen with his niece, Lady Hester Stanhope.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/tuesday-briefing-notre-dame-fire-we-will-rebuild
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,576

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    Parliament on holiday?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,612
    felix said:

    ydoethur said:

    felix said:

    I have a hunch that Note Dame will be back!

    There is such an easy pun to be made there about bells' ends...
    You're just a quasi comedian.
    I'd have you know that when I'm in the modo nothing can cage me.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,576
    ydoethur said:

    This is a highly unfortunate way of putting it:

    Between 1792 and 1806, Pitt lived at Walmer Castle, and conceived the Glen with his niece, Lady Hester Stanhope.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/tuesday-briefing-notre-dame-fire-we-will-rebuild

    The old ways were different

    As they used to say: incest is best kept in the family
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 2,307

    Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments. ;)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47938188

    Well no, since Turks themselves are from Central Asia...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 3,324
    I think it's great that Alderman Pete / Mayor May's Gillam is running. I look forward to "that ain't right" being chanted across the country at His rallies
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,612
    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    This is a highly unfortunate way of putting it:

    Between 1792 and 1806, Pitt lived at Walmer Castle, and conceived the Glen with his niece, Lady Hester Stanhope.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/tuesday-briefing-notre-dame-fire-we-will-rebuild

    The old ways were different

    As they used to say: incest is best kept in the family
    Indeed yes. It's always amused me that the Book of Common Prayer exhorts the crown to 'rightly and indifferently minister justice.'
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 55,998
    edited April 16
    Buttigieg ideologically seems little different to Hillary in 2016, just with slicker marketing and a fresher face, that could be a problem for him in taking on the likes of Sanders, O'Rourke and Warren given 57% of Democratic primary voters according to new Ashcroft polling want a more liberal, progressive candidate and policies in 2020 to just 28% of Democrats who want another centrist moderate like Hillary

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/04/the-battle-lines-for-2020-what-my-polling-says-about-the-next-presidential-election/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,153
    RoyalBlue said:

    @AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.

    He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.

    Go Pete :smile:

    I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.

    I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).

  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,034
    Remain still solidly ahead in the most recent poll.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,153
    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    This is a highly unfortunate way of putting it:

    Between 1792 and 1806, Pitt lived at Walmer Castle, and conceived the Glen with his niece, Lady Hester Stanhope.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/tuesday-briefing-notre-dame-fire-we-will-rebuild

    The old ways were different

    As they used to say: incest is best kept in the family
    Indeed yes. It's always amused me that the Book of Common Prayer exhorts the crown to 'rightly and indifferently minister justice.'
    Government has followed the second part of that injunction ever since.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 23,828
    Charles said:

    Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments. ;)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47938188

    That’s just a derivation of the old Celtic migration theory

    Well, it appears it's *evidence* that supports (at least partially) that theory.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 23,828

    Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments. ;)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47938188

    Well no, since Turks themselves are from Central Asia...
    I fear the point has gone whistling merrily over your head. ;)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,153

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 14,056
    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.
    Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 11,559
    edited April 16
    Nigelb said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    @AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.

    He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.

    Go Pete :smile:

    I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.

    I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).

    Maddow did not ask Mayor Pete the most important question, which is why, as a US Navy officer, he was deployed to Afghanistan, a land-locked country.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 3,324
    HYUFD said:

    Buttigieg ideologically seems little different to Hillary in 2016, just with slicker marketing and a fresher face, that could be a problem for him in taking on the likes of Sanders, O'Rourke and Warren given 57% of Democratic primary voters according to new Ashcroft polling want a more liberal, progressive candidate and policies in 2020 to just 28% of Democrats who want another centrist moderate like Hillary

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/04/the-battle-lines-for-2020-what-my-polling-says-about-the-next-presidential-election/

    He's young, he's photogenic, he's gay. Does it matter what his policies are? This is the US Presidential race, policy doesn't matter that much.
  • Nigelb said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    @AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.

    He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.

    Go Pete :smile:

    I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.

    I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).

    I don't think he will get nominated this time around but what he is setting himself up for nicely is 2024, especially if the Democrats go for a left-wing / SJW candidate who is roundly beaten by Trump. He would only be 41 the next time round.

    Also interesting that, since his rise, we have been hearing less about Beto. I think Pete is a more acceptable version of what Beto stands for (youth, hope etc) and without the baggage.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,153
    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.
    Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?
    I was talking about PB, not parliament.
    We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 75,311
    edited April 16

    Nigelb said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    @AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.

    He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.

    Go Pete :smile:

    I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.

    I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).

    Maddow did not ask Mayor Pete the most important question, which is why, as a US Navy officer, he was deployed to Afghanistan, a land-locked country.
    ONI.

    Probably focusing on targets for the navy planes/cruise missiles.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 2,307
    edited April 16

    Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments. ;)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47938188

    Well no, since Turks themselves are from Central Asia...
    I fear the point has gone whistling merrily over your head. ;)
    No, simply your “point” is meaningless and ignorant.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 25,177

    Nigelb said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    @AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.

    He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.

    Go Pete :smile:

    I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.

    I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).

    I don't think he will get nominated this time around but what he is setting himself up for nicely is 2024, especially if the Democrats go for a left-wing / SJW candidate who is roundly beaten by Trump. He would only be 41 the next time round.

    Also interesting that, since his rise, we have been hearing less about Beto. I think Pete is a more acceptable version of what Beto stands for (youth, hope etc) and without the baggage.
    ....and without Beto's creepily adoring wife.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 3,521

    Nigelb said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    @AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.

    He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.

    Go Pete :smile:

    I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.

    I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).

    Maddow did not ask Mayor Pete the most important question, which is why, as a US Navy officer, he was deployed to Afghanistan, a land-locked country.
    PB worked in the Kennedy Irregular Warfare Center so he was probably providing analysis to support USN SpecOps.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 23,828

    Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments. ;)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47938188

    Well no, since Turks themselves are from Central Asia...
    I fear the point has gone whistling merrily over your head. ;)
    No, simply your point is meaningless.
    So what do you think my point is, for I fear you've misunderstood it.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,576

    Charles said:

    Blooming Turkish immigrants, coming over here and building our monuments. ;)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47938188

    That’s just a derivation of the old Celtic migration theory

    Well, it appears it's *evidence* that supports (at least partially) that theory.
    Yes, but evidence is already well established & I think the theory is pretty commonly accepted now.

    The BBC is getting breathlessly excited about old news (and the Stonehenge angle is marginal to the story despite being the headline). The earliest megaliths are In the coastal regions of Galicia and Brittany (Carnac being the best known) so it’s not surprising that they spread north from there to the UK.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 24,366
    The pictures from Notre Dame this morning are encouraging despite the dreadful fire. Of course during the restoration many works of art had been removed and apparently crowds of helpers removed many more while the fire burned overhead.

    For many, including my wife and I, the pictures of the smoking and devastated inside of the Cathedral with the cross shining through the gloom will be deeply emotional and an inspiration

    It reminds one of the lines in 'Abide with me'

    'Shine through the gloom and point me to the skies'
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 25,183
    RoyalBlue said:

    @AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.

    He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.

    Go Pete :smile:

    For those that didn't see it on the last thread, here it is:



    He's obviously very comfortable in his own skin.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 14,056
    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.
    Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?
    I was talking about PB, not parliament.
    We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...
    There are solutions?!

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 23,828
    I wonder if the rebuilding of Notre Dame will require most of the skilled stoneworkers and woodworkers from the EU? Stonework in particular is very time-consuming to carve.

    (ISTR an automated stone-carving system for freestone; essentially takes a CAD output and does either all the carving, or the majority leaving thee final touches to human hand. But I can't find a link immediately.)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,153

    Nigelb said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    @AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.

    He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.

    Go Pete :smile:

    I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.

    I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).

    Maddow did not ask Mayor Pete the most important question, which is why, as a US Navy officer, he was deployed to Afghanistan, a land-locked country.
    Counterterrorism intelligence officer.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 25,183
    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.
    Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?
    I was talking about PB, not parliament.
    We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...
    There are solutions?!

    I hope not. There are always more articles need writing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 55,998

    Nigelb said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    @AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.

    He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.

    Go Pete :smile:

    I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.

    I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).

    I don't think he will get nominated this time around but what he is setting himself up for nicely is 2024, especially if the Democrats go for a left-wing / SJW candidate who is roundly beaten by Trump. He would only be 41 the next time round.

    Also interesting that, since his rise, we have been hearing less about Beto. I think Pete is a more acceptable version of what Beto stands for (youth, hope etc) and without the baggage.
    Perhaps, so really in that case Mayor Pete needs Trump to be re elected, if Sanders beats Trump with say O'Rourke as his VP then that is probably the end of Buttigieg's presidential ambitions
  • Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.
    Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?
    I was talking about PB, not parliament.
    We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...
    There are solutions?!

    Yes. We can Brexit with No Deal or we can revoke Article 50.

    Oh you wanted good solutions.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,153
    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.
    Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?
    I was talking about PB, not parliament.
    We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...
    There are solutions?!

    There were, but parliament refused to vote for any of them.


  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 14,056

    The pictures from Notre Dame this morning are encouraging despite the dreadful fire. Of course during the restoration many works of art had been removed and apparently crowds of helpers removed many more while the fire burned overhead.

    For many, including my wife and I, the pictures of the smoking and devastated inside of the Cathedral with the cross shining through the gloom will be deeply emotional and an inspiration

    It reminds one of the lines in 'Abide with me'

    'Shine through the gloom and point me to the skies'

    Yes - that picture is like the one of St Paul’s during WW2. Defiance amongst disaster.

    300 million euros already pledged for the reconstruction by two French businessmen.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 55,998
    edited April 16

    Remain still solidly ahead in the most recent poll.

    Except Remain tends to trail all the Brexit options still when you combine No Deal, Deal and SM and Customs Union BINO supoorters. Leave won narrowly when it combined all the latter, the problem it is having is now trying to keep them all together
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,612
    Cyclefree said:

    The pictures from Notre Dame this morning are encouraging despite the dreadful fire. Of course during the restoration many works of art had been removed and apparently crowds of helpers removed many more while the fire burned overhead.

    For many, including my wife and I, the pictures of the smoking and devastated inside of the Cathedral with the cross shining through the gloom will be deeply emotional and an inspiration

    It reminds one of the lines in 'Abide with me'

    'Shine through the gloom and point me to the skies'

    Yes - that picture is like the one of St Paul’s during WW2. Defiance amongst disaster.
    And it hasn't even been retouched...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 55,998
    edited April 16

    HYUFD said:

    Buttigieg ideologically seems little different to Hillary in 2016, just with slicker marketing and a fresher face, that could be a problem for him in taking on the likes of Sanders, O'Rourke and Warren given 57% of Democratic primary voters according to new Ashcroft polling want a more liberal, progressive candidate and policies in 2020 to just 28% of Democrats who want another centrist moderate like Hillary

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/04/the-battle-lines-for-2020-what-my-polling-says-about-the-next-presidential-election/

    He's young, he's photogenic, he's gay. Does it matter what his policies are? This is the US Presidential race, policy doesn't matter that much.
    Yes it does, especially in the primaries. Buttigieg could just be the Democrats' Rubio to Sanders' Trump when the activists are putting ideology first
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 14,056

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.
    Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?
    I was talking about PB, not parliament.
    We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...
    There are solutions?!

    Yes. We can Brexit with No Deal or we can revoke Article 50.

    Oh you wanted good solutions.
    Frankly, were it not for the prospect of more articles from Mr Meeks, I would be happy never to hear the word Brexit ever again.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 44,622
    Scott_P said:
    I'm actually visiting the palace today. Not sure it will be there in 10 years when they plan to decant.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,153
    HYUFD said:

    Remain still solidly ahead in the most recent poll.

    Except Remain tends to trail all the Brexit options still when you combine No Deal, Deal and SM and Customs Union BINO supoorters. Leave won narrowly when it combined all the latter, the problem it is having is now trying to keep them all together
    There’s no ‘now’ - that was always the problem, and will continue to be so.

    Most leavers seem quite determined that their particular flavour of Brexit was given an unbreachable democratic mandate three years ago, to the exclusion of all others.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,034
    HYUFD said:

    Remain still solidly ahead in the most recent poll.

    Except Remain tends to trail all the Brexit options still when you combine No Deal, Deal and SM and Customs Union BINO supoorters. Leave won narrowly when it combined all the latter, the problem it is having is now trying to keep them all together
    But we can only actually do one kind of Brexit.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,576

    RoyalBlue said:

    @AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.

    He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.

    Go Pete :smile:

    For those that didn't see it on the last thread, here it is:



    He's obviously very comfortable in his own skin.
    Impressive guy. Would be credible although possibly a little young
  • HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    @AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.

    He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.

    Go Pete :smile:

    I think your response touches on why he might just succeed - he receives positive reviews from conservatives as well as liberals.

    I think the ‘something very old-fashioned’ is natural politeness. He seems able to criticise without automatically giving offence - very much the anti-Clinton (H).

    I don't think he will get nominated this time around but what he is setting himself up for nicely is 2024, especially if the Democrats go for a left-wing / SJW candidate who is roundly beaten by Trump. He would only be 41 the next time round.

    Also interesting that, since his rise, we have been hearing less about Beto. I think Pete is a more acceptable version of what Beto stands for (youth, hope etc) and without the baggage.
    Perhaps, so really in that case Mayor Pete needs Trump to be re elected, if Sanders beats Trump with say O'Rourke as his VP then that is probably the end of Buttigieg's presidential ambitions
    Yes, that would scupper his ambitions. Already looking forward though to a Pete-Pence contest in 2024, that would be an interesting one to say the least....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,153
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Buttigieg ideologically seems little different to Hillary in 2016, just with slicker marketing and a fresher face, that could be a problem for him in taking on the likes of Sanders, O'Rourke and Warren given 57% of Democratic primary voters according to new Ashcroft polling want a more liberal, progressive candidate and policies in 2020 to just 28% of Democrats who want another centrist moderate like Hillary

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/04/the-battle-lines-for-2020-what-my-polling-says-about-the-next-presidential-election/

    He's young, he's photogenic, he's gay. Does it matter what his policies are? This is the US Presidential race, policy doesn't matter that much.
    Yes it does, especially in the primaries. Buttigieg could just be the Democrats' Rubio to Sanders' Trump when the activists are putting ideology first
    But that really does not seem to be the dynamic.
    Why else would most Biden and Sanders voters currently have the other as their second preference ?
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.
    Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?
    I was talking about PB, not parliament.
    We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...
    There are solutions?!

    Yes. We can Brexit with No Deal or we can revoke Article 50.

    Oh you wanted good solutions.
    Frankly, were it not for the prospect of more articles from Mr Meeks, I would be happy never to hear the word Brexit ever again.
    There’s merit to this approach.


  • felixfelix Posts: 8,666
    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.
    Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?
    I'm not sure that PB hot air is quite as critical to the negotiations that you seem to imply. Chill.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,576

    I wonder if the rebuilding of Notre Dame will require most of the skilled stoneworkers and woodworkers from the EU? Stonework in particular is very time-consuming to carve.

    (ISTR an automated stone-carving system for freestone; essentially takes a CAD output and does either all the carving, or the majority leaving thee final touches to human hand. But I can't find a link immediately.)

    Wouldn’t work for somewhere this iconic.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 9,068
    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.
    Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?
    To be honest, a breather and time to reflect on options while we have the Local elections, then full on Brexit vs Revoke mania for the Euros seems a fine way to manage the next six weeks.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 44,622
    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.
    Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?
    That was inevitable hence why Macron was right to want a short extension.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 23,828
    Bad reporting of the day:

    "The cathedral was built primarily of limestone, which is flammable..."

    https://www.thisisinsider.com/heres-what-led-to-the-collapse-of-the-notre-dame-cathedral-2019-4
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 7,419
    Foxy said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.
    Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?
    To be honest, a breather and time to reflect on options while we have the Local elections, then full on Brexit vs Revoke mania for the Euros seems a fine way to manage the next six weeks.
    I can see why May would want a deal before the Euro elections. Everyone else will hope to be in a stronger position after the elections.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 33,941
    Charles said:

    I wonder if the rebuilding of Notre Dame will require most of the skilled stoneworkers and woodworkers from the EU? Stonework in particular is very time-consuming to carve.

    (ISTR an automated stone-carving system for freestone; essentially takes a CAD output and does either all the carving, or the majority leaving thee final touches to human hand. But I can't find a link immediately.)

    Wouldn’t work for somewhere this iconic.
    They’re using it for la Sagrada Familia in Barcelona which has advanced its completion date from the middle of the next century to the middle of the next decade.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 25,183
    The final sentence of this looks significant to me (though less so since the speaker will be out of power shortly):

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 3,074
    Buttigieg has a great shot at the Dem nomination but when it comes to the General is he the best candidate to take down Bill Weld? I'm not so sure.
  • isamisam Posts: 27,191
    Haven’t read it, but it’s about polling so people may be interested

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 14,056
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    I'm actually visiting the palace today. Not sure it will be there in 10 years when they plan to decant.

    I visited it last year for a posh dinner preceded by a private tour. What always strikes me is how small the Commons chamber is.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 23,828
    That's good news. According to Wiki, the Rose Window at York Minster was visibly intact after the 1984 fire. Unfortunately it had cracked into thousands of pieces, had to be taken down, and restored.

    "The convectional heat from the fire cracked the 7000 pieces of glass in the window in about
    40,000 places. Although severely cracked, the window remained in one piece"

    https://shop.yorkminster.org/geisha/assets/files/The Principal windows.pdf
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,736
    F1: I offered seven (or fourteen, counting each way aspects) tips on tiny stakes bets the other day.

    Perez has fallen from 1501 (without boost) to 751, and Stroll has gone from 2501 to 1001. (I think it was 1751 and 3001 with boost, respectively). Still ever so slightly odds against but interesting to see such significant falls. I wonder if others have been backing Racing Point, or those drivers specifically, as both have had Azerbaijan podium results relatively recently.

    Special to specially ignore:
    Hamilton get 92 wins or more by 2020, at 3.75. Those with long memories might recall I tipped Hamilton get 92 wins or more, with no time limit, at 9 last year. He requires about 17 more wins to do it this year. Not impossible, but odds against.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 44,622

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.
    Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?
    I was talking about PB, not parliament.
    We’ve already done all we can in providing solutions to the Brexit conundrum...
    There are solutions?!

    Yes. We can Brexit with No Deal or we can revoke Article 50.

    Oh you wanted good solutions.
    Frankly, were it not for the prospect of more articles from Mr Meeks, I would be happy never to hear the word Brexit ever again.
    There’s merit to this approach.


    Given certain brexiteers dont believe leaving the EU is leaving the EU, even if with options that years ago they would have accepted as leaving the EU, I still think there's merit in the idea of revoking but just telling Baker, Francois and co that we have left. If Grieve and Bercow can be persuaded to rein in any smug self satisfaction at us remaining I think we could fool the former two and their compatriots.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,576

    Charles said:

    I wonder if the rebuilding of Notre Dame will require most of the skilled stoneworkers and woodworkers from the EU? Stonework in particular is very time-consuming to carve.

    (ISTR an automated stone-carving system for freestone; essentially takes a CAD output and does either all the carving, or the majority leaving thee final touches to human hand. But I can't find a link immediately.)

    Wouldn’t work for somewhere this iconic.
    They’re using it for la Sagrada Familia in Barcelona which has advanced its completion date from the middle of the next century to the middle of the next decade.
    My French cousin trained as a cathedral stonemason so I have an interest!
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 14,056
    felix said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    fifth like Boris

    The political news is a lot less interesting now that nothing is not happening with Brexit.

    Indeed and PB traffic is way down. Roll on the next Brexit deadline of October 31st
    I was enjoying the temporary cessation of hostilities.
    Aren’t we doing what Donald Tusk fervently asked us not to? Wasting this time?
    I'm not sure that PB hot air is quite as critical to the negotiations that you seem to imply. Chill.
    The “we” reference is to the British political class. Not us in particular.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,612

    Bad reporting of the day:

    "The cathedral was built primarily of limestone, which is flammable..."

    https://www.thisisinsider.com/heres-what-led-to-the-collapse-of-the-notre-dame-cathedral-2019-4

    You want bad reporting? Try the Mail:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6926257/ROBERT-HARDMAN-witnesses-inside-ravaged-Notre-Dame.html

    A more ridiculous mix of hyperbole and bollocks I have never read. It was like Laura Pidcock's maiden speech only longer.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,612

    The final sentence of this looks significant to me (though less so since the speaker will be out of power shortly):

    That's a dumb thing to say. Just give Orban and Poland carte Blanche to do as they wish, because we will never kick them out...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 44,622
    kinabalu said:

    Buttigieg has a great shot at the Dem nomination but when it comes to the General is he the best candidate to take down Bill Weld? I'm not so sure.

    Very good.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 8,432
    You'll all be pleased to hear that I'm leaving that other stuff behind on the last thread.

    Meanwhile - last night walking home from the station I spotted a car festooned with flags. Strange, thought I, no footy tournament at the moment. On closer inspection it was some sort of UKIP campaign vehicle, complete with hand written signs and stickers. The driver looked more like the sort of person you hope won't sit next to you on the bus than golf club gammon.

    End of anecdote.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 9,068

    Charles said:

    I wonder if the rebuilding of Notre Dame will require most of the skilled stoneworkers and woodworkers from the EU? Stonework in particular is very time-consuming to carve.

    (ISTR an automated stone-carving system for freestone; essentially takes a CAD output and does either all the carving, or the majority leaving thee final touches to human hand. But I can't find a link immediately.)

    Wouldn’t work for somewhere this iconic.
    They’re using it for la Sagrada Familia in Barcelona which has advanced its completion date from the middle of the next century to the middle of the next decade.
    The newer bits of the Sagrada Familia are not great, nothing like the twisted genius of the older bits.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 33,941
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    I wonder if the rebuilding of Notre Dame will require most of the skilled stoneworkers and woodworkers from the EU? Stonework in particular is very time-consuming to carve.

    (ISTR an automated stone-carving system for freestone; essentially takes a CAD output and does either all the carving, or the majority leaving thee final touches to human hand. But I can't find a link immediately.)

    Wouldn’t work for somewhere this iconic.
    They’re using it for la Sagrada Familia in Barcelona which has advanced its completion date from the middle of the next century to the middle of the next decade.
    My French cousin trained as a cathedral stonemason so I have an interest!
    If he’s French I suspect he stands a decent chance of prevailing over automation!
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 3,521
    Sloppy conjugaison but a decent accent especially on the vowel sounds which few Anglos get anywhere close to right.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 3,074
    RoyalBlue said:

    @AlastairMeeks - thanks for sharing the Maddow interview with Buttigieg.

    He’s such a refreshing candidate. He doesn’t try to entertain or talk down to his audience, and every response is fluent without being glib. Some criticise him for not getting stuck into the weeds of policy already, but there’s plenty of time for that. Despite his youth, there is something very old-fashioned in his presentation.

    Go Pete :smile:

    He's good and we have someone in the same vein. Javid opening up yesterday in his speech on knife crime. Searingly personal.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 23,034
    Great to see a header on Buttigieg. I am pleased to say I have been on the mayor since February and if he becomes POTUS I am looking at my biggest ever win.

    Lot of road to go yet, and I did lay a little last night.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 3,074
    kle4 said:

    Very good.

    :-)

    Succumbed to day dreaming. "A Better America Starts Here".
  • mattmatt Posts: 2,933
    edited April 16
    One had forgotten the dross “news” TV and newspapers filled air/space with in the absence of breathless Brexit updates. The Notre Dame fire will be a godsend for “going live” updates and tortuous analogy based articles. FFS even Rachel Sylvester in The Times has had to put effort into an article which isn’t a one note “May is evil” piece.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 23,828
    Charles said:

    I wonder if the rebuilding of Notre Dame will require most of the skilled stoneworkers and woodworkers from the EU? Stonework in particular is very time-consuming to carve.

    (ISTR an automated stone-carving system for freestone; essentially takes a CAD output and does either all the carving, or the majority leaving thee final touches to human hand. But I can't find a link immediately.)

    Wouldn’t work for somewhere this iconic.
    It depends on cost and timescales. For one thing, it's not as if blocks of stone are hewn from the quarry using feathers and wedges any more. I see few people having a problem with roughly carving a block for a statue, corbel, vaulting or boss or into a shape, and having a skilled mason carving the details with the usual human flourishes and imperfections.

    And for unseen mass block- or woodwork, I see little issue with full automation.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 55,998
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Buttigieg ideologically seems little different to Hillary in 2016, just with slicker marketing and a fresher face, that could be a problem for him in taking on the likes of Sanders, O'Rourke and Warren given 57% of Democratic primary voters according to new Ashcroft polling want a more liberal, progressive candidate and policies in 2020 to just 28% of Democrats who want another centrist moderate like Hillary

    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/04/the-battle-lines-for-2020-what-my-polling-says-about-the-next-presidential-election/

    He's young, he's photogenic, he's gay. Does it matter what his policies are? This is the US Presidential race, policy doesn't matter that much.
    Yes it does, especially in the primaries. Buttigieg could just be the Democrats' Rubio to Sanders' Trump when the activists are putting ideology first
    But that really does not seem to be the dynamic.
    Why else would most Biden and Sanders voters currently have the other as their second preference ?
    As a large number of Biden voters are blue collar and like Sanders' style and are actually quite left economically even if more conservative socially, the Ashcroft poll shows almost 60% of Democrat voters want a liberal progressive candidate in 2020
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 25,183
    One thing to note about Pete Buttigieg is that people want to find out about him:



    He has the opportunity to make an impression.

    I essentially agree with David Herdson that his price is objectively too short right now but he has the opportunity to justify that price. While he's presenting with the assurance that he is currently mustering, his price is likely to shorten rather than to lengthen.
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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 55,998

    HYUFD said:

    Remain still solidly ahead in the most recent poll.

    Except Remain tends to trail all the Brexit options still when you combine No Deal, Deal and SM and Customs Union BINO supoorters. Leave won narrowly when it combined all the latter, the problem it is having is now trying to keep them all together
    But we can only actually do one kind of Brexit.
    I think most hard Brexiteers would back a softer Brexit reluctantly over No Deal but many soft Brexiteers would prefer Remain over No Deal or a very hard Brexit
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,426
    I've laid him back to ~0 in my book, his price is crackers - Sanders is still the front runner if Biden doesn't run, and it is a two horse race if he does.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 9,068
    isam said:
    Yes, those are interesting maps, though without knowledge of local geographies difficult to interpret.

    It does show that whether in Rotherham or Cambridge there were significant minorities at odds with their neighbours.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,215
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sloppy conjugaison but a decent accent especially on the vowel sounds which few Anglos get anywhere close to right.
    In my limited experience gays tend to have better than average linguistic abilities. One theory is that a lifetime spent being hypersensitive to the words and behaviours of others and oneself (to avoid being discovered/attacked) makes one more likely to pick up on the small differences of spoken language that others miss. Perhaps it has something to do with differences in the brain.

    Anyway, good to hear an Anglophone politician at least making the effort.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,612
    RoyalBlue said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sloppy conjugaison but a decent accent especially on the vowel sounds which few Anglos get anywhere close to right.
    In my limited experience gays tend to have better than average linguistic abilities. One theory is that a lifetime spent being hypersensitive to the words and behaviours of others and oneself (to avoid being discovered/attacked) makes one more likely to pick up on the small differences of spoken language that others miss. Perhaps it has something to do with differences in the brain.

    Anyway, good to hear an Anglophone politician at least making the effort.
    Anglophone? I thought he was an American?
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