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Sir Graham Brady says the 1922 Committee will ask Theresa May for “clarity” on when she will step down if she cannot get a Brexit deal through parliament. Declines to say whether this means a specific date.
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The ERG aren’t the 1922 committee.
This lot couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council estate.
#ManOfThePeople
That would be something the membership themselves arrange rather than the 1922 committee?
Like most initiation tests, the actual act may seem pointless or even slightly harmful to the person having to do it, but if they don't, they will never get the respect of the group.
https://unherd.com/2019/04/have-the-remainers-lost-perspective/
Some extracts:
"According to one recent poll by YouGov, for example, while 11% of Leavers would mind a little or a lot if a relative married across the Brexit divide, this jumped to 37% among Remainers."
"Back in Britain, many on the Left and those in the Remain camp do not engage with this evidence because it undermines the concerted effort to portray the vote for Brexit as a proxy for Right-wing extremism on the march, or an indicator for their belief that the country is sliding into the same conditions that gave rise to Adolf Hitler. I suspect that their stronger desire to disassociate from the other camp helps to explain why many so Remainers have been so quick to ‘catastrophise’ about voters with whom they probably have very little interaction with. Catastrophising, as Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt note in their recent book The Coddling of the American Mind, is what we do when we believe that something is far worse than it is, usually after an event or moment has challenged our values and beliefs."
"The irony is that liberal catastrophisers engage in exactly the same behaviour that they associate with populists and Right-wing extremists; they overgeneralise; they label others; they engage in Manichean ‘good-versus-bad’ dichotomous thinking; they lose perspective; and they become obsessed with apocalyptic-style scenarios. Rather than assessing things rationally, and engaging with those who hold different points of view, they cling to comfort blankets, such as catastrophising, distancing and emotional reasoning."
I agree with every word of this.
I think they calculate that this is one way of keeping the pressure up on the PM to capitulate to their crazy No Deal Brexit.
The Brexit supporting media alternate between directly threatening the PM and then promoting the Brexit party that is just a hollow threat. How can anyone take the Brexit party seriously with two odd balls like Farage and Widdicombe, they even sound like a music hall comedy duo! The little and large of British politics. I think that the Brexit party to adjust Widdicombe's phrase about Brexit supporting Michael Howard has something of the shite about it!
I'm beginning to love the ERG. If you take a step back from all the thunder and toys it's actually really very funny. Yes yes I know it's the entire future of this country. But, still, it's funny to see how gobsmackingly useless they are.
Presumably CHUCK-UP have been taking lessons?
I've been giggling like an idiot since I saw this tweet.
https://twitter.com/GladysSteptoe/status/1120933334769651713
Unity Rees-Mogg is possibly the greatest thing in the history of twitter.
Tory members/associations have never had a vote of no confidence in Theresa May?
So far there's only been a VONC in May within the Parliamentary Conservative Party not within the wider membership/associations?
The country is for a clean, clear Brexit...the country is against May's BRINO. Leave voters (the referendum winners) are with the ERG. The failure to defenstrate May is not the ERG's, but the Tory parliamentary party's. And, boy, will they pay for it!
Well..
The penny will drop for MPs eventually - might even be at the count at a general election.
Brexit is not safe in their hands.
~ Half the pop[ulation will be appalled if Brexit is carried out, ~ Half the pop[ulation will be appalled if Brexit is not carried out
Well, they do until politicians decide there's been too much democracy going on.
Do we have a full set of candidate lists by region now - I believe the Greens, Labour, UKIP, LD, Chuk and the Tories have published but Nigel seems to be holding back. Perhaps he has more surprises lined up?
Nice to be back on a thread which isn't rounding on Essex - many of our best posters on here live in that great county!
Ringing endorsement in Theresa May. Not.
Recently the Russians tried really hard to sink their only aircraft carrier. It appears they also shoot down their own planes as well:
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/04/mig-downs-mig-in-russian-friendly-fire-foul-up-leaked-report-shows/
Conplosion imminent via the voters going on strike.
Now the only Brexit that isn’t classed as a betrayal is a no deal crash out . The hypocrisy from Farage and the rest is vomit inducing .
No deal would never have won the EU referendum , if he and the rest of the no deal fantasists want that then they should put it to the people in another vote .
Telegraph journalist talking HMV.
There was an opportunity to do that in the Referendum, and the Remainers failed.
The Remainers in the Referendum basically presented the argument, “I’m doing all right, London’s doing all right, the South East is doing all right, the economy’s doing all right, don’t rock the boat”.
There was no opportunity to make a true pro-EU case in 2016.
Is that when they entered Parliament?
But this time was different; this time is quite clear the winning side lied and cheated. I'm used to lies, or something less than the plain unvarnished truth, but this was on a bigger, almost industrial, scale.
That's why I won't, can't, get over it.
I dont buy the argument that Remain inclined MPs who claimed they wanted to uphold the referendum result in 2017 manifesto's, have reason not to because some Hard Brexiteers thought the deal was too soft.
So, if you asked young people about "Could you marry someone who didn't believe in gay rights?" then you'd get much more extreme answers than from 50 year olds.
In other words, if you compare 44 year old Remainers with 44 year old Leavers, do you get such a big disparity?
Many leavers (such as myself) would have been prepared to stay in a reformed EU.
No evidence has been presented that the EU is capable of Reform. The Remainers by and large do not even see that reform of the EU is urgently needed.
However, I would be happy with Remain, provided we then get Corbyn as PM.
Let Remainers pay for their hobbyhorse. Let’s see massive transfers of wealth from the prosperous parts of London and the South East to the forgotten people in Stoke or Sunderland or South Wales.
What I am not happy about is cancelling Brexit, and continuing on the same merry unequal path, in which the benefits of the EU are shared by the highly affluent in a few parts of the country.
Remain, but let the Remainers pay for it.
I’d prefer to stay in reformed EU.
But, there seems no chance of reform.
Just asking, like!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4n6zQhW4AASX5R.jpg:large
It is working so well for Wales, isn’t it OKC ?
@Cyclefree @TheScreamingEagles
Yes
@Morris_Dancer
No
A you gov poll from January suggested for example that
Only 9% of Leavers would mind if a relative married someone who was a strong supporter of remaining in the EU
But 37% of Remainers would mind if a relative married a leaver
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brexit-buddies-remainers-less-tolerant-leavers-says-yougov-poll-135647765.html
Its a bit limiting to rule out half the country as a potential life partner because of how they voted in a referendum on membership of an international body.