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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » NEW PB / Polling Matters podcast. Looking back at the locals (and ahead to the Euro elections)

The Polling Matters podcast returns! Keiran Pedley and Leo Barasi look back at the local election results and look at what the EU election polling tells us about what is to come.

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  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 7,221
    edited May 9
    Double 1st

    I should get out more.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 45,631
    edited May 9
    > @ralphmalph said:
    > Dr Andrew Murrison takes Alistair Burts old job at the Foreign Office.

    Good for him. I have a soft spot for my MP ever since he wrote a novel set in the English civil war about a fictional soldier turned MP who was at the thick of it all. Incidentally, Dr Murrison is a naval surgeon turned MP.

    He was definitely a leaver, but this tweet probably explains why he is trusted to be a junior minister again

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 15,469
    > @kle4 said:
    > > @ralphmalph said:
    > > Dr Andrew Murrison takes Alistair Burts old job at the Foreign Office.
    >
    > Good for him. I have a soft spot for my MP ever since he wrote a novel set in the English civil war about a soldier turned MP who was at the thick of it all. Incidentally, Dr Murrison is a naval surgeon turned MP.
    >
    > He was definitely a leaver, but this tweet probably explains why he is trusted to be a junior minister again
    >
    >

    Interestingly in the EU documentary just finished, Elmar Brok stated clearly that their (the EU's) biggest problem was the hard line Leaver and Remainer coalition that formed the majority. There's no doubt they wanted a deal.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,129
    Freddie Starr is found dead aged 76 at his Spanish home
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 9,596

    Freddie Starr is found dead aged 76 at his Spanish home

    [Tries to thinks of a joke to make regarding hamsters]
    [Fails: jokes not funny nor appropriate]
    [Tries to thinks of a joke to make regarding Leavers always living abroad]
    [Fails: jokes not funny nor appropriate]
    [Question: how much did this celebrity mean to me?]
    [Answer: Some memories of 70's and 80's television. Above Schnorbitz, below Les Dennis]
    [Approach: Apply appropriate amount of sympathy]

    I'm sorry to hear that.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,129
    > @viewcode said:
    > Freddie Starr is found dead aged 76 at his Spanish home
    >
    > [Tries to thinks of a joke to make regarding hamsters]
    > [Fails: jokes not funny nor appropriate]
    > [Tries to thinks of a joke to make regarding Leavers always living abroad]
    > [Fails: jokes not funny nor appropriate]
    > [Question: how much did this celebrity mean to me?]
    > [Answer: Some memories of 70's and 80's television. Above Schnorbitz, below Les Dennis]
    > [Approach: Apply appropriate amount of sympathy]
    >
    > I'm sorry to hear that.

    And don't forget, no tweeting dodgy photos with racist tropes....
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 9,123
    Sean_F said:

    > @FF43 said:

    > Chances are (of course) that I will turn up and will vote Tory. But I have pretty well reached the stage of not caring: Theresa May’s utterly useless and clueless incompetence has sucked the lifeblood from the party and this 45 plus years activist. I just want her gone. If that means Johnson or Raab, a lurch to No Deal and an early general election, let it be. David L is absolutely right - we cannot go on like this for a moment longer.

    >

    > I do accept the irony that not voting will accelerate her political demise. Hmmm.

    >

    > Conservatives still aren't near the ultimate humiliation stage of accepting every EU demand and crossing all of their red lines, which is likely to include ongoing payments, something that looks very like CFP, CAP, and FoM, actually a customs union, accepting all and every in scope future EU regulation long with CJEU oversight. This will happen whether it's May, Raab or Johnson.

    >

    > Leave is a minority in the UK now and almost all of that group are in denial about the realistic options available. I don't see a good outcome for your party.



    Why would the Conservatives accept such demands? The Backstop would be better.

    The backstop is just the prerequisite. The actual negotiations are still to happen and there's much more to them than just Ireland.

    CFP (equivalent) because access to UK waters is a high priority item for Denmark, Spain and France, all of whom have a veto over the arrangement; CAP because UK farmers won't get access to their only substantial export market without it; Customs Union because of the Northern Irish land border and because car manufacturers who are in a fragile state can't function without it; also because there are WTO rules about customs unions that are somewhat binary; accepting all in scope future EU rules and EUCJ oversight because the EU won't accept close UK engagement without them and won't change the way it does things to accommodate an ex member.

    It's what it is, really.


  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315

    Freddie Starr is found dead aged 76 at his Spanish home

    Found dead by his carer at his one bed flat on the Costa del Sol.

    He was a great comedian in his day but lost his fortune and UK home defending a huge legal bill.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 45,631
    Scott_P said:
    A likely very electorally effective single slogan machine.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 29,960
    Conservative officials fear the party could come sixth in the European elections, with their support plummeting to single digits.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/09/tories-fear-dismal-results-in-european-elections-meps-say

    <i>Another Conservative source said internal data showed the party could do worse than the Brexit party, Labour, the Lib Dems, Change UK and even potentially the Greens, with support at less than 10%.</i>
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 45,631

    Conservative officials fear the party could come sixth in the European elections, with their support plummeting to single digits.



    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/09/tories-fear-dismal-results-in-european-elections-meps-say



    Another Conservative source said internal data showed the party could do worse than the Brexit party, Labour, the Lib Dems, Change UK and even potentially the Greens, with support at less than 10%.

    Certainly not impossible, some polls have them within a few % of it. I think it is a genuine fear, although funnily enough if the LDs do manage to hoover up more of the remain vote on the back of their good local results I guess that minimises the chance CUK and the Greens might do better than the Tories.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 2,307
    edited May 9

    Conservative officials fear the party could come sixth in the European elections, with their support plummeting to single digits.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/09/tories-fear-dismal-results-in-european-elections-meps-say

    Another Conservative source said internal data showed the party could do worse than the Brexit party, Labour, the Lib Dems, Change UK and even potentially the Greens, with support at less than 10%.

    ***Cough**** Expectations management ***Cough***
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 45,631

    Conservative officials fear the party could come sixth in the European elections, with their support plummeting to single digits.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/09/tories-fear-dismal-results-in-european-elections-meps-say

    Another Conservative source said internal data showed the party could do worse than the Brexit party, Labour, the Lib Dems, Change UK and even potentially the Greens, with support at less than 10%.

    ***Cough**** Expectations management ***Cough***
    Perhaps so, but you can learn a lot from the level of management to expectations that is going on. And of course as the locals prove you can do even worse than the expectations management suggested.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 9,123

    Conservative officials fear the party could come sixth in the European elections, with their support plummeting to single digits.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/09/tories-fear-dismal-results-in-european-elections-meps-say

    Another Conservative source said internal data showed the party could do worse than the Brexit party, Labour, the Lib Dems, Change UK and even potentially the Greens, with support at less than 10%.

    ***Cough**** Expectations management ***Cough***
    Behind Lib Dems is possible I think. Behind all of LDs, CUK and Greens unlikely. Actually coming fourth rather than sixth hardly leaves any expectations to manage.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 76,403

    Conservative officials fear the party could come sixth in the European elections, with their support plummeting to single digits.



    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/09/tories-fear-dismal-results-in-european-elections-meps-say



    Another Conservative source said internal data showed the party could do worse than the Brexit party, Labour, the Lib Dems, Change UK and even potentially the Greens, with support at less than 10%.

    Didn't someone tip the Tories to poll sub 10% at the Euros at a stonking 12/1?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 718
    I suppose the question is: if there's no incentive to launch or fund campaigns or come up with manifestos or anything, and you are (however misguidedly) labouring under the belief it's all irrelevant as they won't be taking up their seats, then why stand candidates at all?

    Surely you bodyswerve the awful results by simply not taking part, and then you can pretend you'd have actually achieved any result if the whole thing wasn't so completely beneath you.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 45,631
    Scott_P said:
    Appealing to both means there definitely cannot be a deal with the Tories as that does not appeal to remainers, so again, what is being discussed?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 25,535
    Chelsea v Arsenal final
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 5,891
    > @solarflare said:
    > I suppose the question is: if there's no incentive to launch or fund campaigns or come up with manifestos or anything, and you are (however misguidedly) labouring under the belief it's all irrelevant as they won't be taking up their seats, then why stand candidates at all?
    >
    > Surely you bodyswerve the awful results by simply not taking part, and then you can pretend you'd have actually achieved any result if the whole thing wasn't so completely beneath you.

    Known as the CUK manoeuvre.
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 843
    > @Scott_P said:
    >

    Great thumbnail.

    He’s really not impressive, is he? Getting absolutely taken apart on antisemitism.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 489
    edited May 9
    English teams in 2019 European finals: 4
    Other teams in 2019 European finals: 0
  • RogerRoger Posts: 11,801
    > @Big_G_NorthWales said:
    > Chelsea v Arsenal final

    No one goes home empty handed. A Crackerjack pencil for every premier league club.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 9,596
    Scott_P said:
    If they really wanted to brng people together they'd either accept May's deal or suggest a course of action acceptable to May and the EU and Labour. Since they are doing neither I think I'm correct in saying that he's lying to me.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,129
    What's interesting is 4 Premier League teams in the finals of European Cup competitions, but IMO the standard of the Premier League has been poorer than in most recent years.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,044

    Freddie Starr is found dead aged 76 at his Spanish home

    "Spanish home ate my Freddie Starr"

    Seriously, RIP.
  • thecommissionerthecommissioner Posts: 165
    English teams that finished 3rd-6th fill all the final places in Europe.



  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 9,537
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,044
    Drutt said:

    English teams in 2019 European finals: 4

    Other teams in 2019 European finals: 0

    No. of English players?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,129
    > @dr_spyn said:
    > Mirror too excited by the football.
    >
    >

    Sure that isn't just for their Scottish readers?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 11,948
    I turned on Question Time. What a fool I am.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 11,801
    If there is a ruder more ignorant politician in the UK than Nigel Farage I haven't heard them.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 45,631
    Jonathan said:

    I turned on Question Time. What a fool I am.

    You mean it was so bursting with insightful analysis and powerfully persuasive oratory it revealed to you how foolish you had been previously? Quite an endorsement.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,129
    > @Roger said:
    > If there is a ruder more ignorant politician in the UK than Nigel Farage I haven't heard them.

    You haven't been listening hard enough...there is plenty of competition at the moment.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,245
    > @brokenwheel said:
    > Conservative officials fear the party could come sixth in the European elections, with their support plummeting to single digits.
    >
    > https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/09/tories-fear-dismal-results-in-european-elections-meps-say
    >
    > Another Conservative source said internal data showed the party could do worse than the Brexit party, Labour, the Lib Dems, Change UK and even potentially the Greens, with support at less than 10%.
    >
    > ***Cough**** Expectations management ***Cough***

    Because they were so good at that in the local elections!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 11,801
    > @FrancisUrquhart said:
    > Freddie Starr is found dead aged 76 at his Spanish home

    Hamster poisoning
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 718
    I would pay good money to see pelanty hootshoots.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 9,537


    Is Richard Burgon digging his political grave?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 27,709
    > @Jonathan said:
    > I turned on Question Time. What a fool I am.

    The audience are making a lot of noise.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 11,948
    > @kle4 said:
    > I turned on Question Time. What a fool I am.
    >
    > You mean it was so bursting with insightful analysis and powerfully persuasive oratory it revealed to you how foolish you had been previously? Quite an endorsement.

    The erudite arguments on QT are compelling and enlightening. Brexit solved by common agreement. Refreshing.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 5,891
    > @FrancisUrquhart said:
    > What's interesting is 4 Premier League teams in the finals of European Cup competitions, but IMO the standard of the Premier League has been poorer than in most recent years.

    Agreed. That this Everton side is eighth and conceded none in our four most recent games v Top Six, against Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and United, winning three, really does speak volumes.
    We have been dreadful for most of the season.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 5,891
    edited May 9
    > @Roger said:
    > If there is a ruder more ignorant politician in the UK than Nigel Farage I haven't heard them.

    It's a competitive field. Edit.Mr Urquhart beat me to it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 59,575
    > @Jonathan said:
    > > @kle4 said:
    > > I turned on Question Time. What a fool I am.
    > >
    > > You mean it was so bursting with insightful analysis and powerfully persuasive oratory it revealed to you how foolish you had been previously? Quite an endorsement.
    >
    > The erudite arguments on QT are compelling and enlightening. Brexit solved by common agreement. Refreshing.
    Farage and Soubry presently shouting each other down, Rudd and Labour apparatchik Reynolds in the middle
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 3,921

    I suppose the question is: if there's no incentive to launch or fund campaigns or come up with manifestos or anything, and you are (however misguidedly) labouring under the belief it's all irrelevant as they won't be taking up their seats, then why stand candidates at all?



    Surely you bodyswerve the awful results by simply not taking part, and then you can pretend you'd have actually achieved any result if the whole thing wasn't so completely beneath you.

    Good point. I am surprised the Cons did not take that approach. Seems all downside and no upside. Why punch yourself in the face?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 59,575
    > @brendan16 said:
    > Freddie Starr is found dead aged 76 at his Spanish home
    >
    > Found dead by his carer at his one bed flat on the Costa del Sol.
    >
    > He was a great comedian in his day but lost his fortune and UK home defending a huge legal bill.

    Mind you there are worse places to spend your last years than the Costa del Sol, RIP, he was never really to my taste but many people found him hilarious
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 59,575
    edited May 9
    > @Theuniondivvie said:
    > > @kle4 said:
    > > > @ralphmalph said:
    > > > Dr Andrew Murrison takes Alistair Burts old job at the Foreign Office.
    > >
    > > Good for him. I have a soft spot for my MP ever since he wrote a novel set in the English civil war about a soldier turned MP who was at the thick of it all. Incidentally, Dr Murrison is a naval surgeon turned MP.
    > >
    > > He was definitely a leaver, but this tweet probably explains why he is trusted to be a junior minister again
    > >
    > >
    >
    > Interestingly in the EU documentary just finished, Elmar Brok stated clearly that their (the EU's) biggest problem was the hard line Leaver and Remainer coalition that formed the majority. There's no doubt they wanted a deal.

    Yes, he said their sympathies were with Remainers but they were now blocking a compromise along with hard Brexiteers
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 59,575
    > @kinabalu said:
    > I suppose the question is: if there's no incentive to launch or fund campaigns or come up with manifestos or anything, and you are (however misguidedly) labouring under the belief it's all irrelevant as they won't be taking up their seats, then why stand candidates at all?
    >
    >
    >
    > Surely you bodyswerve the awful results by simply not taking part, and then you can pretend you'd have actually achieved any result if the whole thing wasn't so completely beneath you.
    >
    > Good point. I am surprised the Cons did not take that approach. Seems all downside and no upside. Why punch yourself in the face?

    As they are standing as the party of May's Deal against the Brexit Party for No Deal and the Remainer Parties for no Brexit and Corbyn's BINO Deal
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited May 9

    Chelsea v Arsenal final

    And a final in a city with no direct flights from the UK with the indirect flights taking at least ten hours and more with stopovers in Kiev, Istanbul or Moscow. If you drive its 3 days non stop each way.

    How many fans will actually make it to Baku?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 5,891
    > @HYUFD said:
    > > @kinabalu said:
    > > I suppose the question is: if there's no incentive to launch or fund campaigns or come up with manifestos or anything, and you are (however misguidedly) labouring under the belief it's all irrelevant as they won't be taking up their seats, then why stand candidates at all?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Surely you bodyswerve the awful results by simply not taking part, and then you can pretend you'd have actually achieved any result if the whole thing wasn't so completely beneath you.
    > >
    > > Good point. I am surprised the Cons did not take that approach. Seems all downside and no upside. Why punch yourself in the face?
    >
    > As they are standing as the party of May's Deal against the Brexit Party for No Deal and the Remainer Parties for no Brexit and Corbyn's BINO Deal

    Not the snappiest slogan. And not easy to chant.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 9,596
    kinabalu said:

    I suppose the question is: if there's no incentive to launch or fund campaigns or come up with manifestos or anything, and you are (however misguidedly) labouring under the belief it's all irrelevant as they won't be taking up their seats, then why stand candidates at all?



    Surely you bodyswerve the awful results by simply not taking part, and then you can pretend you'd have actually achieved any result if the whole thing wasn't so completely beneath you.

    Good point. I am surprised the Cons did not take that approach. Seems all downside and no upside. Why punch yourself in the face?
    Even worse, there's a precedent. IIRC Labour boycotted the inaugural popular EP elections in 1979.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 27,709
    Watching Question TIme is a depressing experience. I remember when it used to be fairly instructive and interesting.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 11,948
    > @AndyJS said:
    > Watching Question TIme is a depressing experience. I remember when it used to be fairly instructive and interesting.

    It’s terrible. It holds a mirror up to us. We’re in a terrible state.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,044
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    I suppose the question is: if there's no incentive to launch or fund campaigns or come up with manifestos or anything, and you are (however misguidedly) labouring under the belief it's all irrelevant as they won't be taking up their seats, then why stand candidates at all?



    Surely you bodyswerve the awful results by simply not taking part, and then you can pretend you'd have actually achieved any result if the whole thing wasn't so completely beneath you.

    Good point. I am surprised the Cons did not take that approach. Seems all downside and no upside. Why punch yourself in the face?
    Even worse, there's a precedent. IIRC Labour boycotted the inaugural popular EP elections in 1979.
    Nope, they got 31.6% of the vote in 1979 (Euros).
  • isamisam Posts: 27,192
    If you follow @RomfordRecorder on twitter they have quite a good round up, inc video interviews w the candidates, for a tiny little council ward election tonight in Cranham

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 15,162
    Based on QT looks like a Brexit Party GAIN Northampton at the next election? :D
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 718
    > @HYUFD said:
    > > @kinabalu said:
    > > I suppose the question is: if there's no incentive to launch or fund campaigns or come up with manifestos or anything, and you are (however misguidedly) labouring under the belief it's all irrelevant as they won't be taking up their seats, then why stand candidates at all?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Surely you bodyswerve the awful results by simply not taking part, and then you can pretend you'd have actually achieved any result if the whole thing wasn't so completely beneath you.
    > >
    > > Good point. I am surprised the Cons did not take that approach. Seems all downside and no upside. Why punch yourself in the face?
    >
    > As they are standing as the party of May's Deal against the Brexit Party for No Deal and the Remainer Parties for no Brexit and Corbyn's BINO Deal

    That's tenuous. And if it was the case, why not campaign hard on that basis? Because they can't. "The best way to stand up for a Brexit deal is to vote in these MEPs which we don't expect to take their seats, in an election we aren't actually really trying in".

    Can't see it working, still think they'd be better ignoring it completely - they can brave it out in the short term and if it's in the longer term because they failed to get May's deal through then they're not really any less fucked than they were anyway, so, meh.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited May 9
    isam said:

    If you follow @RomfordRecorder on twitter they have quite a good round up, inc video interviews w the candidates, for a tiny little council ward election tonight in Cranham

    The residents group will walk it - they won the 3 seats 2018 local elections by a circa 2000 majority over the Tories. Yes not 2000 votes but a 2000 majority in a council ward!

    Cranham as you know is arguably one of the most isolated parties places in London saved only by the 248 bus from Upminster! Not quite Biggin hill but not far off it.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 27,709
    > @GIN1138 said:
    > Based on QT looks like a Brexit Party GAIN Northampton at the next election? :D

    It's probably just that they're the people who make the most noise.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 23,218
    isam said:

    If you follow @RomfordRecorder on twitter ...

    I must confess that I don't!
  • isamisam Posts: 27,192
    brendan16 said:

    isam said:

    If you follow @RomfordRecorder on twitter they have quite a good round up, inc video interviews w the candidates, for a tiny little council ward election tonight in Cranham

    The residents group will walk it. Cranham is arguably one of the most isolated parties places in London saved only by the 248 bus from Upminster! Not quite Biggin hill but not far off it.
    I went to school there and live just round the corner in Upminster
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 11,948
    > @AndyJS said:
    > > @GIN1138 said:
    > > Based on QT looks like a Brexit Party GAIN Northampton at the next election? :D
    >
    > It's probably just that they're the people who make the most noise.

    Gobshites.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,044
    edited May 9
    brendan16 said:

    isam said:

    If you follow @RomfordRecorder on twitter they have quite a good round up, inc video interviews w the candidates, for a tiny little council ward election tonight in Cranham

    The residents group will walk it - they won the 3 seats 2018 local elections by a circa 2000 majority over the Tories. Yes not 2000 votes but a 2000 majority in a council ward!

    Cranham as you know is arguably one of the most isolated parties places in London saved only by the 248 bus from Upminster! Not quite Biggin hill but not far off it.

    Biggin Hill has an airport :lol:
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 7,905
    > @dr_spyn said:
    >
    >
    > Is Richard Burgon digging his political grave?

    He will be fine in the cess pit otherwise known as the Labour party..
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,044
    isam said:

    brendan16 said:

    isam said:

    If you follow @RomfordRecorder on twitter they have quite a good round up, inc video interviews w the candidates, for a tiny little council ward election tonight in Cranham

    The residents group will walk it. Cranham is arguably one of the most isolated parties places in London saved only by the 248 bus from Upminster! Not quite Biggin hill but not far off it.
    I went to school there and live just round the corner in Upminster
    North Ockendon is probably the most isolated place in Greater London - it's actually outside the M25!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 11,443
    > @brendan16 said:
    > Chelsea v Arsenal final
    >
    > And a final in a city with no direct flights from the UK with the indirect flights taking at least ten hours and more with stopovers in Kiev, Istanbul or Moscow. If you drive its 3 days non stop each way.
    >
    > How many fans will actually make it to Baku?

    We’ve got 6,000 tickets each.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 1,120
    > @brendan16 said:
    > Chelsea v Arsenal final
    >
    > And a final in a city with no direct flights from the UK with the indirect flights taking at least ten hours and more with stopovers in Kiev, Istanbul or Moscow. If you drive its 3 days non stop each way.
    >
    > How many fans will actually make it to Baku?

    There seems to be some doubt as to whether all the players will make it there. Arsenal were dumb enough to sign an Armenian a few years back, and obviously the Azerbaijani authorities may not let him in the country.

    How much to just hold it at Wembley?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 9,996
    > @GIN1138 said:
    > Based on QT looks like a Brexit Party GAIN Northampton at the next election? :D

    QT audiences are always pro Brexit, AQ audiences pro Remain.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 1,690
    > @Endillion said:
    > > @brendan16 said:
    > > Chelsea v Arsenal final
    > >
    > > And a final in a city with no direct flights from the UK with the indirect flights taking at least ten hours and more with stopovers in Kiev, Istanbul or Moscow. If you drive its 3 days non stop each way.
    > >
    > > How many fans will actually make it to Baku?
    >
    > There seems to be some doubt as to whether all the players will make it there. Arsenal were dumb enough to sign an Armenian a few years back, and obviously the Azerbaijani authorities may not let him in the country.
    >
    > How much to just hold it at Wembley?

    If they will not let him in, then Arsenal need to say they will not turn up and mean it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 45,631
    > @isam said:
    >

    Pretty good for a by-election, well done them.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 1,120
    > @Floater said:
    > > @dr_spyn said:
    > >
    > >
    > > Is Richard Burgon digging his political grave?
    >
    > He will be fine in the cess pit otherwise known as the Labour party..

    To be fair, they did eventually chuck out Williamson (C, not G). Burgon may be the most at-risk MP remaining.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited May 9
    tlg86 said:

    > @brendan16 said:

    > Chelsea v Arsenal final

    >

    > And a final in a city with no direct flights from the UK with the indirect flights taking at least ten hours and more with stopovers in Kiev, Istanbul or Moscow. If you drive its 3 days non stop each way.

    >

    > How many fans will actually make it to Baku?



    We’ve got 6,000 tickets each.

    isam said:

    brendan16 said:

    isam said:

    If you follow @RomfordRecorder on twitter they have quite a good round up, inc video interviews w the candidates, for a tiny little council ward election tonight in Cranham

    The residents group will walk it. Cranham is arguably one of the most isolated parties places in London saved only by the 248 bus from Upminster! Not quite Biggin hill but not far off it.
    I went to school there and live just round the corner in Upminster
    North Ockendon is probably the most isolated place in Greater London - it's actually outside the M25!
    Agreed - it’s probably quicker to get to Baku from Heathrow but it’s a bit smaller population what than Cranham. It’s more like Downe and those other remote villages in Bromley.

    Who decided to split Ockendon in two anyway? The north gets a London bus service, freedom passes and more - the south gets lumped in Thurrock!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 45,631
    > @Endillion said:
    > > @Floater said:
    > > > @dr_spyn said:
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Is Richard Burgon digging his political grave?
    > >
    > > He will be fine in the cess pit otherwise known as the Labour party..
    >
    > To be fair, they did eventually chuck out Williamson (C, not G).

    Suspended. He'll be back.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 1,120
    > @ralphmalph said:
    > > @Endillion said:
    > > > @brendan16 said:
    > > > Chelsea v Arsenal final
    > > >
    > > > And a final in a city with no direct flights from the UK with the indirect flights taking at least ten hours and more with stopovers in Kiev, Istanbul or Moscow. If you drive its 3 days non stop each way.
    > > >
    > > > How many fans will actually make it to Baku?
    > >
    > > There seems to be some doubt as to whether all the players will make it there. Arsenal were dumb enough to sign an Armenian a few years back, and obviously the Azerbaijani authorities may not let him in the country.
    > >
    > > How much to just hold it at Wembley?
    >
    > If they will not let him in, then Arsenal need to say they will not turn up and mean it.

    Him, and his family.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 9,996
    > @brendan16 said:
    > Chelsea v Arsenal final
    >
    > And a final in a city with no direct flights from the UK with the indirect flights taking at least ten hours and more with stopovers in Kiev, Istanbul or Moscow. If you drive its 3 days non stop each way.
    >
    > How many fans will actually make it to Baku?

    I don't think the Russia - Azerbajani border is open to non nationals, and the security situation is iffy.

    Turkish Airlines are fine, and Istanbul delightful for a stopover.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 1,690
    > @Endillion said:
    > > @ralphmalph said:
    > > > @Endillion said:
    > > > > @brendan16 said:
    > > > > Chelsea v Arsenal final
    > > > >
    > > > > And a final in a city with no direct flights from the UK with the indirect flights taking at least ten hours and more with stopovers in Kiev, Istanbul or Moscow. If you drive its 3 days non stop each way.
    > > > >
    > > > > How many fans will actually make it to Baku?
    > > >
    > > > There seems to be some doubt as to whether all the players will make it there. Arsenal were dumb enough to sign an Armenian a few years back, and obviously the Azerbaijani authorities may not let him in the country.
    > > >
    > > > How much to just hold it at Wembley?
    > >
    > > If they will not let him in, then Arsenal need to say they will not turn up and mean it.
    >
    > Him, and his family.

    Sorry no I meant the whole team.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 1,120
    > @ralphmalph said:
    > > @Endillion said:
    > > > @ralphmalph said:
    > > > > @Endillion said:
    > > > > > @brendan16 said:
    > > > > > Chelsea v Arsenal final
    > > > > >
    > > > > > And a final in a city with no direct flights from the UK with the indirect flights taking at least ten hours and more with stopovers in Kiev, Istanbul or Moscow. If you drive its 3 days non stop each way.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > How many fans will actually make it to Baku?
    > > > >
    > > > > There seems to be some doubt as to whether all the players will make it there. Arsenal were dumb enough to sign an Armenian a few years back, and obviously the Azerbaijani authorities may not let him in the country.
    > > > >
    > > > > How much to just hold it at Wembley?
    > > >
    > > > If they will not let him in, then Arsenal need to say they will not turn up and mean it.
    > >
    > > Him, and his family.
    >
    > Sorry no I meant the whole team.

    I think we're talking at crossed purposes - I meant the club (probably both clubs?) should refuse to play unless Azerbaijan let Mkhitaryan and his family in for the match.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 5,891
    Good to see 3 year sanctions are to be abandoned.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,044
    edited May 9
    brendan16 said:

    tlg86 said:

    > @brendan16 said:

    > Chelsea v Arsenal final

    >

    > And a final in a city with no direct flights from the UK with the indirect flights taking at least ten hours and more with stopovers in Kiev, Istanbul or Moscow. If you drive its 3 days non stop each way.

    >

    > How many fans will actually make it to Baku?



    We’ve got 6,000 tickets each.

    isam said:

    brendan16 said:

    isam said:

    If you follow @RomfordRecorder on twitter they have quite a good round up, inc video interviews w the candidates, for a tiny little council ward election tonight in Cranham

    The residents group will walk it. Cranham is arguably one of the most isolated parties places in London saved only by the 248 bus from Upminster! Not quite Biggin hill but not far off it.
    I went to school there and live just round the corner in Upminster
    North Ockendon is probably the most isolated place in Greater London - it's actually outside the M25!
    Agreed - it’s probably quicker to get to Baku from Heathrow but it’s a bit smaller population what than Cranham. It’s more like Downe and those other remote villages in Bromley.

    Who decided to split Ockendon in two anyway? The north gets a London bus service, freedom passes and more - the south gets lumped in Thurrock!
    London bus 370 serves both Ockendons! And the train station accepts Oystercard or Contactless for journeys between London and Grays.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 27,709
    The ANC are currently on 6.35 million votes with 71% of districts reporting. They haven't gone below 10 million before.

    https://www.elections.org.za/NPEDashboard/app/dashboard.html
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 9,596

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    I suppose the question is: if there's no incentive to launch or fund campaigns or come up with manifestos or anything, and you are (however misguidedly) labouring under the belief it's all irrelevant as they won't be taking up their seats, then why stand candidates at all?



    Surely you bodyswerve the awful results by simply not taking part, and then you can pretend you'd have actually achieved any result if the whole thing wasn't so completely beneath you.

    Good point. I am surprised the Cons did not take that approach. Seems all downside and no upside. Why punch yourself in the face?
    Even worse, there's a precedent. IIRC Labour boycotted the inaugural popular EP elections in 1979.
    Nope, they got 31.6% of the vote in 1979 (Euros).
    Don't laugh, but I may have been thinking of the 1978 Parliament, which had appointed MEPs instead of popularly elected ones. We forget just how anti-European Labour was in old days.

    Go on, google that... :)
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 11,640
    edited May 9
    > @Foxy said:
    > Turkish Airlines are fine, and Istanbul delightful for a stopover.

    I think the food on Turkish Airlines is far and away the best food on any airline I've flown on. It was actually good.

    However, Istanbul airport wifi is weird and annoying, for authoritarianism-related reasons.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 1,690
    > @Endillion said:
    > > @ralphmalph said:
    > > > @Endillion said:
    > > > > @ralphmalph said:
    > > > > > @Endillion said:
    > > > > > > @brendan16 said:
    > > > > > > Chelsea v Arsenal final
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > And a final in a city with no direct flights from the UK with the indirect flights taking at least ten hours and more with stopovers in Kiev, Istanbul or Moscow. If you drive its 3 days non stop each way.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > How many fans will actually make it to Baku?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > There seems to be some doubt as to whether all the players will make it there. Arsenal were dumb enough to sign an Armenian a few years back, and obviously the Azerbaijani authorities may not let him in the country.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > How much to just hold it at Wembley?
    > > > >
    > > > > If they will not let him in, then Arsenal need to say they will not turn up and mean it.
    > > >
    > > > Him, and his family.
    > >
    > > Sorry no I meant the whole team.
    >
    > I think we're talking at crossed purposes - I meant the club (probably both clubs?) should refuse to play unless Azerbaijan let Mkhitaryan and his family in for the match.

    I agree with this.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 27,709
    > @edmundintokyo said:
    > > @Foxy said:
    > > Turkish Airlines are fine, and Istanbul delightful for a stopover.
    >
    > I think the food on Turkish Airlines is far and away the best food on any airline I've flown on. It was actually good.
    >
    > However, Istanbul airport wifi is weird and annoying, for authoritarianism-related reasons.

    When you get bad WIFI you just have to think of it as a holiday from being constantly online.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 9,996
    isam said:
    Is he pro or anti threats of rape?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,044
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    I suppose the question is: if there's no incentive to launch or fund campaigns or come up with manifestos or anything, and you are (however misguidedly) labouring under the belief it's all irrelevant as they won't be taking up their seats, then why stand candidates at all?



    Surely you bodyswerve the awful results by simply not taking part, and then you can pretend you'd have actually achieved any result if the whole thing wasn't so completely beneath you.

    Good point. I am surprised the Cons did not take that approach. Seems all downside and no upside. Why punch yourself in the face?
    Even worse, there's a precedent. IIRC Labour boycotted the inaugural popular EP elections in 1979.
    Nope, they got 31.6% of the vote in 1979 (Euros).
    Don't laugh, but I may have been thinking of the 1978 Parliament, which had appointed MEPs instead of popularly elected ones. We forget just how anti-European Labour was in old days.

    Go on, google that... :)
    I didn't Google the 1979 result, I just had my spreadsheet open. Working on another possible historical thread :)
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    Can someone simplify the Euro elections for me? What’s the most powerful way, psephologically, for me to vote against the racist/nativist/closed helmets in the Brexit Party?
  • isamisam Posts: 27,192
    _Anazina_ said:

    Can someone simplify the Euro elections for me? What’s the most powerful way, psephologically, for me to vote against the racist/nativist/closed helmets in the Brexit Party?

    Weep gently on the ballot paper while singing Kumbaya
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    And Ukip. Really, Gerald Batten is an ugly racist tosser.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,129
    > @_Anazina_ said:
    > And Ukip. Really, Gerald Batten is an ugly racist tosser.

    Shall I put you down as a maybe for UKIP?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,129
    edited May 9
    There are currently no direct scheduled flights between London and Baku in the week of the final.

    If you want to fly to the game on the day then a lengthy wait in somewhere like Istanbul or Kiev would be needed.

    The quickest journey by air on the day of the final takes six hours 55 minutes, with the majority lasting more than 10 hours.

    The only way to fly direct to Baku for the game would be to leave London on the Saturday beforehand and return a week later, three days after the trophy has been lifted.

    That's an eight-day trip for 90 minutes of football - and for a game which kicks of at 11pm local time (20:00 BST), so will not finish until around 1am!

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48220247

    Think I'll just watch it on the telly.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 9,996
    _Anazina_ said:

    Can someone simplify the Euro elections for me? What’s the most powerful way, psephologically, for me to vote against the racist/nativist/closed helmets in the Brexit Party?

    It depends on your region, but LD, Green or CHUK in England, Nationalist elsewhere.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    AndyJS said:

    > @edmundintokyo said:

    > > @Foxy said:

    > > Turkish Airlines are fine, and Istanbul delightful for a stopover.

    >

    > I think the food on Turkish Airlines is far and away the best food on any airline I've flown on. It was actually good.

    >

    > However, Istanbul airport wifi is weird and annoying, for authoritarianism-related reasons.



    When you get bad WIFI you just have to think of it as a holiday from being constantly online.

    Hearin’
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    isam said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Can someone simplify the Euro elections for me? What’s the most powerful way, psephologically, for me to vote against the racist/nativist/closed helmets in the Brexit Party?

    Weep gently on the ballot paper while singing Kumbaya

    Yeah, I considered that, but it’s not going to work.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810

    > @_Anazina_ said:

    > And Ukip. Really, Gerald Batten is an ugly racist tosser.



    Shall I put you down as a maybe for UKIP?


    No.
  • isamisam Posts: 27,192
    _Anazina_ said:

    isam said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Can someone simplify the Euro elections for me? What’s the most powerful way, psephologically, for me to vote against the racist/nativist/closed helmets in the Brexit Party?

    Weep gently on the ballot paper while singing Kumbaya

    Yeah, I considered that, but it’s not going to work.
    Cry harder
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