On topic as a Leaver I am in no position to judge whether this slogan will help or hinder the Lib Dems but as someone who owns and happily wore a 'Bollocks to Blair' T shirt I think both slogans have an appealing snappiness and irreverence to them that should not do the Lib Dems any harm at all.
Nigel Fucking Farage was on Question Time last night, so of course he is also on Marr on Sunday.
I have no idea what the BBC think they are doing with all this wall-to-wall Farage coverage. I am minded to think they seek to curry favour with their increasingly older age demographic.
What about the broadcasting rules during an election period?
Is any other party leader going to be on QT and Marr in same 7 day period (and no doubt numerous interviews on Today programme)?
> @PClipp said: > > @bigjohnowls said: > > Who are the LDs? > > The Lib Dems are the ones who took hundreds of seats off the Conservatives earlier this month. > > Do try to keep up, Mr Owls!
I am a LD for the Euro elections.. but only for that!
> Perhaps Farage & Trump are libertarians in the way Carl Benjamin is a classical liberal.
Classical Liberal. Toby Young is one of those. It actually says so on his Twitter Bio. More than that, it is literally the only thing on his Bio, those 2 words, Classical Liberal.
"Toby Young @ toadmeister
Classical Liberal"
That's it.
Implication being that it does not merely describe his politics it defines his very essence.
It won't just be the slogan 'bollocks to brexit' that boosts the LDs into 2nd or 3rd in the euros. It'll be the ineptitude of CUK and the lack of other options for Tory and Lab remainers.
I'll be interested how the nationalist parties do in their respective countries.
> > "Bollocks to 17.4m people (the majority). Because we're democrats."
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> You know, for certain, do you, that all those 17.4 million are still of the view that they were 3 years ago?
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> If you'd like to suggest a more accurate number you're welcome.
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> What I would say is that those who call for a second referendum on the grounds that people might have changed their minds are conspicuously those who haven't changed their minds in the slightest. Why they're so sure that other people will have done what they themselves will never do is somewhat mysterious to me, but then people are strange.
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> I do know people, and of people, who voted remain but have changed to leave, but I wouldn't dream of pretending that that gave me an insight into the likely outcome of another vote.
That is simply not true. The people I know who have changed their minds are leavers who would now vote to Remain.
I don't know what the outcome of a second referendum would be. But I wonder why those keen to rely on the Will of the People are so reluctant to ask the People whether they have the same views as they did three years ago.
It strikes me that they are scared that the answer might not be the same. Because, as I have written in a recent thread header, the substantive arguments for Brexit seem to have utterly fallen away and the only one left is a three-year old vote.
In a pre-Brexit period, I find the view that any of the substantive arguments in favour of Brexit have been tested, let alone fallen away, to be an odd one.
Nigel Fucking Farage was on Question Time last night, so of course he is also on Marr on Sunday.
I have no idea what the BBC think they are doing with all this wall-to-wall Farage coverage. I am minded to think they seek to curry favour with their increasingly older age demographic.
What about the broadcasting rules during an election period?
Is any other party leader going to be on QT and Marr in same 7 day period (and no doubt numerous interviews on Today programme)?
BBC will rue the day.
This is like 2014 and 15 all over again. The constant frenzy to stop Farage being on tv! If he’s such a Nazi, surely exposure will be the best disinfectant a la Nick Griffin?
Nigel Fucking Farage was on Question Time last night, so of course he is also on Marr on Sunday.
I have no idea what the BBC think they are doing with all this wall-to-wall Farage coverage. I am minded to think they seek to curry favour with their increasingly older age demographic.
What about the broadcasting rules during an election period?
Is any other party leader going to be on QT and Marr in same 7 day period (and no doubt numerous interviews on Today programme)?
BBC will rue the day.
Perhaps as Farage is (as so many Remainers say) a deeply unappealing boor, they mean to feature him heavily to put people off voting for him.
In a pre-Brexit period, I find the view that any of the substantive arguments in favour of Brexit have been tested, let alone fallen away, to be an odd one.
You think the jury is still out on Gove's prediction that Brexit would be "a galvanising, liberating, empowering moment of patriotic renewal"?
Nigel Fucking Farage was on Question Time last night, so of course he is also on Marr on Sunday.
I have no idea what the BBC think they are doing with all this wall-to-wall Farage coverage. I am minded to think they seek to curry favour with their increasingly older age demographic.
What about the broadcasting rules during an election period?
Is any other party leader going to be on QT and Marr in same 7 day period (and no doubt numerous interviews on Today programme)?
BBC will rue the day.
This is like 2014 and 15 all over again. The constant frenzy to stop Farage being on tv! If he’s such a Nazi, surely exposure will be the best disinfectant a la Nick Griffin?
I don't mind he being on. But I do mind it not being fair wrt to other leaders and parties. Seems to me the broadcasting election rules are being broken this month.
There is also the issue of why no other Brexit Party person ever seems to appear. It is a total one man show. If they did then no doubt one of these new candidates with no experience would blurt out some truth or other. But the BBC should insist. Why are they not featuring say Tice on Marr? Why is it alway always Farage?
In a pre-Brexit period, I find the view that any of the substantive arguments in favour of Brexit have been tested, let alone fallen away, to be an odd one.
You think the jury is still out on Gove's prediction that Brexit would be "a galvanising, liberating, empowering moment of patriotic renewal"?
Nigel Fucking Farage was on Question Time last night, so of course he is also on Marr on Sunday.
I have no idea what the BBC think they are doing with all this wall-to-wall Farage coverage. I am minded to think they seek to curry favour with their increasingly older age demographic.
What about the broadcasting rules during an election period?
Is any other party leader going to be on QT and Marr in same 7 day period (and no doubt numerous interviews on Today programme)?
BBC will rue the day.
This is like 2014 and 15 all over again. The constant frenzy to stop Farage being on tv! If he’s such a Nazi, surely exposure will be the best disinfectant a la Nick Griffin?
I don't mind he being on. But I do mind it not being fair wrt to other leaders and parties. Seems to me the broadcasting election rules are being broken this month.
There is also the issue of why no other Brexit Party person ever seems to appear. It is a total one man show. If they did then no doubt one of these new candidates with no experience would blurt out some truth or other. But the BBC should insist. Why are they not featuring say Tice on Marr? Why is it alway always Farage?
Because he was available? You'd have the leader if you could get him. Unless it's Widdecombe who I believe has been on a few things.
> @DavidL said: > > @Theuniondivvie said: > > > @DavidL said: > > > So here's the state of play at L Towers. > > > > > > 1. I am really pissed off (apparently this sort of language is ok now) that we have not yet left the EU. Although there is plenty of blame to go around I think May has to take the lion's share because she is, however notionally, in charge. I am not minded to vote for her or her party in light of this major incompetence and failure. > > > > > > 2. I have always accepted that the relatively close nature of the vote plus traditional British pragmatism meant that we we should have a relatively soft Brexit with a continuing close trading relationship with the EU and several areas of bilateral cooperation. In my view May's deal achieves as much of this as can be done at the moment since the EU refused to talk about a lot of things until we had actually left. In short I support her deal. > > > > > > 3. This (along with a long list of other things tbh) gives me a problem with the Brexit Party because they don't support the deal. Voting for them is voting for a no deal Brexit. See 2. > > > > > > It is the failure of 1. that is requiring these elections to take place at all. I frankly think the Tories should be punished for that and have little doubt that they will be. Bigly. Most of that punishment is going to come as a reward for the Brexit party. Although that gives a clear message it is not a message I actually agree with. I am torn between voting Tory to support the deal and not voting at all in protest. I don't have anyone in this election, which I did not want, that I actively want to vote for. > > > > Vote Willie, give in to your vestigial SDP urges. > > I think not, even although Fred McIntosh, number 2 on their list, is a friend of mine and a jolly decent chap.
I'm in much the same position as you DavidL. Tbh, I was slightly surprised to find the SDP still in existence; yet more so that they now appear to occupy the position my heart, if not my head, is in politically. (The thing being with microparties and unknown candidates being that you can project all your hopes onto them, unthwarted by their actions, which are invisible.) But they are tiny, and possibly not even standing in the NW.
Trump and Farage are both libertarians, which is the opposite of fascism.
I like libertarians, although there is a part of me that decries "libertarians" as "social conservatives who are upset that their drugs aren't legal". But it has to be said that many of them at least *try* to live up to the noble sentiments of their party. So let us judge Trump and Farage by those sentiments.
Q: Are Trump and Farage willing to tolerate people who are law-abiding but espouse views or values that they disagree with? A: No. The obvious counter-example for Trump is Muslims. Trump has already advocated immigration laws that were clearly animated by anti-Muslim sentiments (that was the ground on which the first injunction against his policy was granted), so much so in fact that the later appeals by the White House lawyers were on the grounds that although *he* might be anti-Muslim, the policy was not necessarily so by virtue of its proponent's motives. With Farage I think he has the same motives but that's just my conclusion rather than in evidence, so let's go for an actual example. In the debates (GE? Ref?) Farage took a question about immigration as an opportunity to complain about people with AIDS , which is difficult to interpret in a libertarian fashion.
Being right wing and against political correctness is not sufficient to be libertarian. You do have to extent the same courtesies to those who would destroy you if free to do so. Trump and Farage don't do that.
In the staff room a Sri Lankan Consultant, whose wife is a Labour activist, said to me: "Got my postal vote through, I didn't know there was an election!"
As ~70% of MPs are in favour of staying in, i.e. the result if they were allowed a top-secret ballot, there should be at least two interviews with Clarke, Thornberry, Grieve or Phillips for every one with Lewis or Baker.
Other groups in society are different. If the BBC wishes to interview car mechanics, or farmers, it would probably find a different balance of views.
FWIW though I spoke to a small farmer 10 minutes ago and he said 'They just need to call a halt to it, but I don't care how. Why was it ever put to a referendum if they thought it could cause us this much trouble? Absolute disaster.'
I never go near QT. AQ is slightly pro-EU but so is the R4 audience I think. This Week is probably balanced which is a lot better than BBC News.
I know I should know this but I'm on a train and cannot be arsed. Who is this gentleman who had forgotten the first rule of male fashion (when in doubt, wear a suit) and who is increasingly in need of a hair transplant?
Ugh, pathetic. Do Dems even consider opposing Trump politically any more, or are their minds so warped by Seth Meyers and Stephen Colbert that this kind of stuff is all they can conceive of?
> @viewcode said: > I think we have a replacement for ridiculously self conscious posed pics Gavin. > > > > https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1126860643544465409 > > > > I know I should know this but I'm on a train and cannot be arsed. Who is this gentleman who had forgotten the first rule of male fashion (when in doubt, wear a suit) and who is increasingly in need of a hair transplant?
> @rottenborough said: > Nigel Fucking Farage was on Question Time last night, so of course he is also on Marr on Sunday. > > I have no idea what the BBC think they are doing with all this wall-to-wall Farage coverage. I am minded to think they seek to curry favour with their increasingly older age demographic. > > What about the broadcasting rules during an election period? > > Is any other party leader going to be on QT and Marr in same 7 day period (and no doubt numerous interviews on Today programme)? > > BBC will rue the day.
I suspect the BBC would have any party leader on who says yes - over to you Jeremy, etc.,
> @rottenborough said: > Who should one complain to about BBC excessive coverage of Farage? OfCom or Electoral Commission? > > Because I'm seriously pissed off with this now. > > > I can't stand him myself, but like it or not, he's leading the party that's likely to win the forthcoming elections. > > > It doesn't matter if he is polling 99%. > > The rules are in place to give equal access to competing parties during election periods.
Have you any evidence that other leaders have not been asked?
> @viewcode said: > I think we have a replacement for ridiculously self conscious posed pics Gavin. > > > > https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1126860643544465409 > > > > I know I should know this but I'm on a train and cannot be arsed. Who is this gentleman who had forgotten the first rule of male fashion (when in doubt, wear a suit) and who is increasingly in need of a hair transplant?
Pretty sure it's the guy who gets killed during the ED-209 demo.
> I know I should know this but I'm on a train and cannot be arsed. Who is this gentleman who had forgotten the first rule of male fashion (when in doubt, wear a suit) and who is increasingly in need of a hair transplant?
Nicolas Cage before he was famous.
I'm looking at it and I'm thinking "worst fashion runway evah". I mean, you want to go up to him and congratulate him on tying his shoelaces all by himself today, just like a big boy.
This is weird. Normally with politics stuff I consider the individual, list the possible responses, and carefully choose the most apposite. And then give up, swear a lot and make arcane Avengers/Star Trek/whatevs references. But I genuinely don't know who this guy is. It's very freeing. "Oi! Badly dressed guy! Did you get a discount at the forehead shop?!"
I am going to feel so stupid when I find out who he is...
> > "Bollocks to 17.4m people (the majority). Because we're democrats."
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>
>
> You know, for certain, do you, that all those 17.4 million are still of the view that they were 3 years ago?
>
> If you'd like to suggest a more accurate number you're welcome.
>
> What I would say is that those who call for a second referendum on the grounds that people might have changed their minds are conspicuously those who haven't changed their minds in the slightest. Why they're so sure that other people will have done what they themselves will never do is somewhat mysterious to me, but then people are strange.
>
> I do know people, and of people, who voted remain but have changed to leave, but I wouldn't dream of pretending that that gave me an insight into the likely outcome of another vote.
That is simply not true. The people I know who have changed their minds are leavers who would now vote to Remain.
I don't know what the outcome of a second referendum would be. But I wonder why those keen to rely on the Will of the People are so reluctant to ask the People whether they have the same views as they did three years ago.
It strikes me that they are scared that the answer might not be the same. Because, as I have written in a recent thread header, the substantive arguments for Brexit seem to have utterly fallen away and the only one left is a three-year old vote.
In a pre-Brexit period, I find the view that any of the substantive arguments in favour of Brexit have been tested, let alone fallen away, to be an odd one.
I said they were no longer being put forward as the reasons for Brexit.
> I know I should know this but I'm on a train and cannot be arsed. Who is this gentleman who had forgotten the first rule of male fashion (when in doubt, wear a suit) and who is increasingly in need of a hair transplant?
Nicolas Cage before he was famous.
I'm looking at it and I'm thinking "worst fashion runway evah". I mean, you want to go up to him and congratulate him on tying his shoelaces all by himself today, just like a big boy.
This is weird. Normally with politics stuff I consider the individual, list the possible responses, and carefully choose the most apposite. And then give up, swear a lot and make arcane Avengers/Star Trek/whatevs references. But I genuinely don't know who this guy is. It's very freeing. "Oi! Badly dressed guy! Did you get a discount at the forehead shop?!"
I am going to feel so stupid when I find out who he is...
> I know I should know this but I'm on a train and cannot be arsed. Who is this gentleman who had forgotten the first rule of male fashion (when in doubt, wear a suit) and who is increasingly in need of a hair transplant?
Pretty sure it's the guy who gets killed during the ED-209 demo.
> I know I should know this but I'm on a train and cannot be arsed. Who is this gentleman who had forgotten the first rule of male fashion (when in doubt, wear a suit) and who is increasingly in need of a hair transplant?
Pretty sure it's the guy who gets killed during the ED-209 demo.
> > "Bollocks to 17.4m people (the majority). Because we're democrats."
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>
>
> You know, for certain, do you, that all those 17.4 million are still of the view that they were 3 years ago?
>
> If you'd like to suggest a more accurate number you're welcome.
>
> What I would say is that those who call for a second referendum on the grounds that people might have changed their minds are conspicuously those who haven't changed their minds in the slightest. Why they're so sure that other people will have done what they themselves will never do is somewhat mysterious to me, but then people are strange.
>
> I do know people, and of people, who voted remain but have changed to leave, but I wouldn't dream of pretending that that gave me an insight into the likely outcome of another vote.
That is simply not true. The people I know who have changed their minds are leavers who would now vote to Remain.
I don't know what the outcome of a second referendum would be. But I wonder why those keen to rely on the Will of the People are so reluctant to ask the People whether they have the same views as they did three years ago.
It strikes me that they are scared that the answer might not be the same. Because, as I have written in a recent thread header, the substantive arguments for Brexit seem to have utterly fallen away and the only one left is a three-year old vote.
In a pre-Brexit period, I find the view that any of the substantive arguments in favour of Brexit have been tested, let alone fallen away, to be an odd one.
I said they were no longer being put forward as the reasons for Brexit.
I see. I suspect this is because those people don't want to legitimise the idea of a second referendum by reviving the referendum debate.
> I know I should know this but I'm on a train and cannot be arsed. Who is this gentleman who had forgotten the first rule of male fashion (when in doubt, wear a suit) and who is increasingly in need of a hair transplant?
Nicolas Cage before he was famous.
I'm looking at it and I'm thinking "worst fashion runway evah". I mean, you want to go up to him and congratulate him on tying his shoelaces all by himself today, just like a big boy.
This is weird. Normally with politics stuff I consider the individual, list the possible responses, and carefully choose the most apposite. And then give up, swear a lot and make arcane Avengers/Star Trek/whatevs references. But I genuinely don't know who this guy is. It's very freeing. "Oi! Badly dressed guy! Did you get a discount at the forehead shop?!"
I am going to feel so stupid when I find out who he is...
It’s a rare photo of James Dean
Presumably during his fat balding period...
It's bothering me now. Who is this guy? He's definitely clenching. He's got the wrong build for it: he looks as if he's going to topple over. When he hits 45 his gut will expand faster than a restaurant bill. Oh, I am annoyed: who is this random gentleman who I am gratuitously insulting on the internet for no other reason than my own selfish amusement?
> @Foxy said: > Todays anecdate. > > In the staff room a Sri Lankan Consultant, whose wife is a Labour activist, said to me: "Got my postal vote through, I didn't know there was an election!" > > Interpretation: low turnout.
I can’t think of a single reason to vote labour in the Euros. Anyone got something to put instead of the question mark?
UKIP - for Farage or no more Muslims Brexit - for Farage or Brexit Conservative - for Mays deal Labour - ? Lib Dem’s - Bllx to Brexit Green - Remainers who care mostly about environment CHUK- Uber remainers who won’t forgive Lib Dem’s for tuition fees SNP / PC - Scottish and Welsh remainers
Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
> @RobD said: > > @DavidL said: > > So here's the state of play at L Towers. > > > I think a good way to ensure that May's deal is eventually signed (because it's probably as good as it gets) is to vote for the Brexit party. A big margin for the Brexit party will send a pretty strong message to those in Westminster. That, and the arrow....
But you'd have to watch in cringing embarrassment as these fruitcakes take their seats in the European parliament. Things are going to be bad enough for the British service sector after Brexit without our reputation being tarnished further
1. I am really pissed off (apparently this sort of language is ok now) that we have not yet left the EU. Although there is plenty of blame to go around I think May has to take the lion's share because she is, however notionally, in charge. I am not minded to vote for her or her party in light of this major incompetence and failure.
2. I have always accepted that the relatively close nature of the vote plus traditional British pragmatism meant that we we should have a relatively soft Brexit with a continuing close trading relationship with the EU and several areas of bilateral cooperation. In my view May's deal achieves as much of this as can be done at the moment since the EU refused to talk about a lot of things until we had actually left. In short I support her deal.
3. This (along with a long list of other things tbh) gives me a problem with the Brexit Party because they don't support the deal. Voting for them is voting for a no deal Brexit. See 2.
It is the failure of 1. that is requiring these elections to take place at all. I frankly think the Tories should be punished for that and have little doubt that they will be. Bigly. Most of that punishment is going to come as a reward for the Brexit party. Although that gives a clear message it is not a message I actually agree with. I am torn between voting Tory to support the deal and not voting at all in protest. I don't have anyone in this election, which I did not want, that I actively want to vote for.
> @Roger said: > > @RobD said: > > > @DavidL said: > > > So here's the state of play at L Towers. > > > > > > I think a good way to ensure that May's deal is eventually signed (because it's probably as good as it gets) is to vote for the Brexit party. A big margin for the Brexit party will send a pretty strong message to those in Westminster. That, and the arrow.... > > But you'd have to watch in cringing embarrassment as these fruitcakes take their seats in the European parliament. Things are going to be bad enough for the British service sector after Brexit without our reputation being tarnished further
I am sure the Brexit Party will have plenty of company with Vox, Salvini's Lega Nord, the AfD, Le Pen's MEPs, the Swedish Democrats, Law and Justice etc
> @Roger said: > > @RobD said: > > > @DavidL said: > > > So here's the state of play at L Towers. > > > > > > I think a good way to ensure that May's deal is eventually signed (because it's probably as good as it gets) is to vote for the Brexit party. A big margin for the Brexit party will send a pretty strong message to those in Westminster. That, and the arrow.... > > But you'd have to watch in cringing embarrassment as these fruitcakes take their seats in the European parliament. Things are going to be bad enough for the British service sector after Brexit without our reputation being tarnished further
Roger, the fruitcake that will will be voted in will be entirely the fault of people like you continually telling people like me what a thick, racist, xenophobic little Englander I am. I may as well live down to your expectations of me.
> In the staff room a Sri Lankan Consultant, whose wife is a Labour activist, said to me: "Got my postal vote through, I didn't know there was an election!"
>
> Interpretation: low turnout.
I can’t think of a single reason to vote labour in the Euros. Anyone got something to put instead of the question mark?
UKIP - for Farage or no more Muslims
Brexit - for Farage or Brexit
Conservative - for Mays deal
Labour - ?
Lib Dem’s - Bllx to Brexit
Green - Remainers who care mostly about environment
CHUK- Uber remainers who won’t forgive Lib Dem’s for tuition fees
SNP / PC - Scottish and Welsh remainers
To save the NHS? That’s all they say in every election, from parish councils up, after all.
> I think a good way to ensure that May's deal is eventually signed (because it's probably as good as it gets) is to vote for the Brexit party. A big margin for the Brexit party will send a pretty strong message to those in Westminster. That, and the arrow....
But you'd have to watch in cringing embarrassment as these fruitcakes take their seats in the European parliament. Things are going to be bad enough for the British service sector after Brexit without our reputation being tarnished further
All the more reason to ensure they're put out to pasture asap.
> @twistedfirestopper3 said: > Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
The Lib Dems aren’t telling Leave voters to F off ! And bollocks is a lighthearted phrase , it’s really not that strong. And the Lib Dems are trying to get as many Remain votes , an EU election isn’t the time to try and convince Leave voters to change their mind . If people want some waffle and unite the country guff they should look to vote for Labour !
> @twistedfirestopper3 said: > Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
Course it is acceptable.
I voted Lib Dem in the local elections knowing they are a bunch of shysters!
I might vote LD in the European elections as CUK seem hopeless. I had really wanted to vote CUK but to be honest I take the view it is better for them to merge or rather be assimilated by the LD....
> "Bollocks to 17.4m people (the majority). Because we're democrats."
Agree - I'm also not convinced parading Guy Verhofstadt is the wisest move. I'm a remain supporter but he is a total tit. I'm using the new freedom of language edict from on high today as you can see.
Re running a close election in Istanbul where the winner won by only 12000 voters or 0.16 per cent is an affront to democracy and an effective dictatorship.
Re running a referendum in the UK where the winning side won by 4 per cent or 1.4 million is a demonstration of democracy.
Guy V only likes reruns when his side loses the first vote!
Just keep voting until you deliver the right result and stop voting when you do!! I could say b******s to that.
> @williamglenn said: > > @TGOHF said: > > > > Brexit has put Sindy off for 30 years - check the polling. > > > > Ulster isn't going anywhere either. > > > > Get some actual positive arguments for staying in the EU and how £12Bn pa is great value if you want to prevent the inevitable. > > > > Brexit hasn't happened yet, and you're confusing opinions with tangible facts. Brexit destroys the case for the union in every nation of the UK.
> @nico67 said: > > @twistedfirestopper3 said: > > Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"? > > The Lib Dems aren’t telling Leave voters to F off ! And bollocks is a lighthearted phrase , it’s really not that strong. And the Lib Dems are trying to get as many Remain votes , an EU election isn’t the time to try and convince Leave voters to change their mind . If people want some waffle and unite the country guff they should look to vote for Labour !
Trouble is, many people will feel that the LDs Are saying Bollox to them personally. I'd never vote LD anyway, so I don't care what they say. But if OGH says it's a plus for them, I ain't gonna argue.
> @HYUFD said: > > @williamglenn said: > > > @TGOHF said: > > > > > > Brexit has put Sindy off for 30 years - check the polling. > > > > > > Ulster isn't going anywhere either. > > > > > > Get some actual positive arguments for staying in the EU and how £12Bn pa is great value if you want to prevent the inevitable. > > > > > > > Brexit hasn't happened yet, and you're confusing opinions with tangible facts. Brexit destroys the case for the union in every nation of the UK. > > Wales voted Leave just like England
And being in a union with Northern Ireland is frustrating that process.
> @AndyJS said: > Trump and Farage are both libertarians, which is the opposite of fascism.
News to Gary Johnson the Libertarian Party candidate in the U.S. in 2016 or even the UK Libertarian Party.
Libertarians are fiscally and socially liberal and pro immigration, they want little state interference in the economy or peoples' private lives, Trump and Farage are populist authoritarians not libertarians
> @twistedfirestopper3 said: > Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
But, the voters they're aiming for are the ones who really hate people who vote Leave. They need 10-11% to win a reasonable haul of seats.
> Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
> Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
But, the voters they're aiming for are the ones who really hate people who vote Leave. They need 10-11% to win a reasonable haul of seats.
True, but I’m not sure they’d understand the need to (or even want to) nuance the message for a second referendum campaign.
> @Nemtynakht said: > > @Foxy said: > > Todays anecdate. > > > > In the staff room a Sri Lankan Consultant, whose wife is a Labour activist, said to me: "Got my postal vote through, I didn't know there was an election!" > > > > Interpretation: low turnout. > > I can’t think of a single reason to vote labour in the Euros. Anyone got something to put instead of the question mark? > > UKIP - for Farage or no more Muslims > Brexit - for Farage or Brexit > Conservative - for Mays deal > Labour - ? > Lib Dem’s - Bllx to Brexit > Green - Remainers who care mostly about environment > CHUK- Uber remainers who won’t forgive Lib Dem’s for tuition fees > SNP / PC - Scottish and Welsh remainers > > >
Labour - to make the Socialist group the biggest in the European Parliament and take control from the EPP.
> @Sunil_Prasannan said: > > @twistedfirestopper3 said: > > > Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"? > > > > Course it is acceptable. > > > > > How about: > > BOLLOCKS TO BRUSSELS > > Is that acceptable?
Yes, course it is acceptable.
Please tell me why you want to say that though? What would be the motivation? I am just curious.
> @twistedfirestopper3 said: > Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
Remainers have no motivation at present to reach out to committed Leavers. If you think that bodes ill for the country, it does.
> @twistedfirestopper3 said: > > @nico67 said: > > > @twistedfirestopper3 said: > > > Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"? > > > > The Lib Dems aren’t telling Leave voters to F off ! And bollocks is a lighthearted phrase , it’s really not that strong. And the Lib Dems are trying to get as many Remain votes , an EU election isn’t the time to try and convince Leave voters to change their mind . If people want some waffle and unite the country guff they should look to vote for Labour ! > > Trouble is, many people will feel that the LDs Are saying Bollox to them personally. I'd never vote LD anyway, so I don't care what they say. But if OGH says it's a plus for them, I ain't gonna argue.
As a Remainer let’s say a party had Bollocks to Brussels or Bollocks to the EU I wouldn’t take it personally . I think it’s a pretty funny term and not in the least bit offensive .
> > "Bollocks to 17.4m people (the majority). Because we're democrats."
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> You know, for certain, do you, that all those 17.4 million are still of the view that they were 3 years ago?
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> If you'd like to suggest a more accurate number you're welcome.
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> What I would say is that those who call for a second referendum on the grounds that people might have changed their minds are conspicuously those who haven't changed their minds in the slightest. Why they're so sure that other people will have done what they themselves will never do is somewhat mysterious to me, but then people are strange.
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> I do know people, and of people, who voted remain but have changed to leave, but I wouldn't dream of pretending that that gave me an insight into the likely outcome of another vote.
That is simply not true. The people I know who have changed their minds are leavers who would now vote to Remain.
I don't know what the outcome of a second referendum would be. But I wonder why those keen to rely on the Will of the People are so reluctant to ask the People whether they have the same views as they did three years ago.
It strikes me that they are scared that the answer might not be the same. Because, as I have written in a recent thread header, the substantive arguments for Brexit seem to have utterly fallen away and the only one left is a three-year old vote.
In a pre-Brexit period, I find the view that any of the substantive arguments in favour of Brexit have been tested, let alone fallen away, to be an odd one.
It’s not because of the potential answer
It’s because it would be to reward bad behaviour by implacable opponents of Brexit who have sought to prevent the government implementing the results of the vote from day 1
> I know I should know this but I'm on a train and cannot be arsed. Who is this gentleman who had forgotten the first rule of male fashion (when in doubt, wear a suit) and who is increasingly in need of a hair transplant?
Nicolas Cage before he was famous.
I'm looking at it and I'm thinking "worst fashion runway evah". I mean, you want to go up to him and congratulate him on tying his shoelaces all by himself today, just like a big boy.
This is weird. Normally with politics stuff I consider the individual, list the possible responses, and carefully choose the most apposite. And then give up, swear a lot and make arcane Avengers/Star Trek/whatevs references. But I genuinely don't know who this guy is. It's very freeing. "Oi! Badly dressed guy! Did you get a discount at the forehead shop?!"
I am going to feel so stupid when I find out who he is...
It’s because it would be to reward bad behaviour by implacable opponents of Brexit who have sought to prevent the government implementing the results of the vote from day 1
Rubbish. Parliament voted by a huge majority to invoke Article 50. It is primarily pro-Brexit Conservative MPs voting against the government that has prevented the deal passing. Labour MPs have a mandate to vote against her deal based on the 2017 election.
> @AlastairMeeks said: > > @twistedfirestopper3 said: > > Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"? > > Remainers have no motivation at present to reach out to committed Leavers. If you think that bodes ill for the country, it does.
> @Charles said: > > @viewcode said: > > > I think we have a replacement for ridiculously self conscious posed pics Gavin. > > > > > > https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1126860643544465409 > > > > > > > > I know I should know this but I'm on a train and cannot be arsed. Who is this gentleman who had forgotten the first rule of male fashion (when in doubt, wear a suit) and who is increasingly in need of a hair transplant? > > > > Nicolas Cage before he was famous. > > I'm looking at it and I'm thinking "worst fashion runway evah". I mean, you want to go up to him and congratulate him on tying his shoelaces all by himself today, just like a big boy. > > This is weird. Normally with politics stuff I consider the individual, list the possible responses, and carefully choose the most apposite. And then give up, swear a lot and make arcane Avengers/Star Trek/whatevs references. But I genuinely don't know who this guy is. It's very freeing. "Oi! Badly dressed guy! Did you get a discount at the forehead shop?!" > > I am going to feel so stupid when I find out who he is... > > I think it’s Raab?? Wrong.
Clue: The right answer followed by Raab sounds like what you would order in a Bangkok brothel if you couldn't afford the full monty.
"Bollocks to Brexit" contributes to a coarsening of the political debate.
Of course, the LibDems are not the only ones to have made politics mean-spirited and boorish. But, they have now added their pennyworth to the vast fund of ill-feeling and rudeness.
The losers in all this are the politicians themselves -- it becomes more acceptable to behave rudely to MPs, hence for example the assaults on candidates during the local elections.
And of course, the other loser is politics itself, which should be about ideas and principles, about argument and debate.
I was probably never going to vote LibDem again anyhow, but this is just one more reason not do.
> @williamglenn said: > They don’t know how to handle his appeal. > > It's people who want Brexit to happen who should worry most about his appeal given that he is a huge spoiler for any sensible plan.
I am pretty relaxed at his gurning face appearing all over the place. He is a divisive character and a good motivator to get out the Remain vote.
Off topic - day 10 of 'Meat free May'. Tonight it's vegetable one-pot with lentils and quinoa(!). I'm actually enjoying it. Just as well as there is enough left for tomorrow.
> @SandyRentool said: > Off topic - day 10 of 'Meat free May'. Tonight it's vegetable one-pot with lentils and quinoa(!). I'm actually enjoying it. Just as well as there is enough left for tomorrow.
"Bollocks to Brexit" contributes to a coarsening of the political debate.
Of course, the LibDems are not the only ones to have made politics mean-spirited and boorish. But, they have now added their pennyworth to the vast fund of ill-feeling and rudeness.
The losers in all this are the politicians themselves -- it becomes more acceptable to behave rudely to MPs, hence for example the assaults on candidates during the local elections.
And of course, the other loser is politics itself, which should be about ideas and principles, about argument and debate.
I was probably never going to vote LibDem again anyhow, but this is just one more reason not do.
A fair point. Difficult to sympathise with LD candidates campaigning under a "Bollocks" banner if they get egged.
Off topic - day 10 of 'Meat free May'. Tonight it's vegetable one-pot with lentils and quinoa(!). I'm actually enjoying it. Just as well as there is enough left for tomorrow.
I’m going out on a meat buying splurge at my local farmshop butchers tomorrow.
Off topic - day 10 of 'Meat free May'. Tonight it's vegetable one-pot with lentils and quinoa(!). I'm actually enjoying it. Just as well as there is enough left for tomorrow.
[swaggering] Man, I've been a vegetarian for 27 and a half years
> > > Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
> >
> > The Lib Dems aren’t telling Leave voters to F off ! And bollocks is a lighthearted phrase , it’s really not that strong. And the Lib Dems are trying to get as many Remain votes , an EU election isn’t the time to try and convince Leave voters to change their mind . If people want some waffle and unite the country guff they should look to vote for Labour !
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> Trouble is, many people will feel that the LDs Are saying Bollox to them personally. I'd never vote LD anyway, so I don't care what they say. But if OGH says it's a plus for them, I ain't gonna argue.
As a Remainer let’s say a party had Bollocks to Brussels or Bollocks to the EU I wouldn’t take it personally . I think it’s a pretty funny term and not in the least bit offensive .
> @twistedfirestopper3 said: > > @Roger said: > > > @RobD said: > > > > @DavidL said: > > > > So here's the state of play at L Towers. > > > > > > > > > I think a good way to ensure that May's deal is eventually signed (because it's probably as good as it gets) is to vote for the Brexit party. A big margin for the Brexit party will send a pretty strong message to those in Westminster. That, and the arrow.... > > > > But you'd have to watch in cringing embarrassment as these fruitcakes take their seats in the European parliament. Things are going to be bad enough for the British service sector after Brexit without our reputation being tarnished further > > Roger, the fruitcake that will will be voted in will be entirely the fault of people like you continually telling people like me what a thick, racist, xenophobic little Englander I am. I may as well live down to your expectations of me.
You're Britain's finest! Public servants who save lives are forgiven for making eccentric political judgements.
> @Foxy said: > > @SandyRentool said: > > Off topic - day 10 of 'Meat free May'. Tonight it's vegetable one-pot with lentils and quinoa(!). I'm actually enjoying it. Just as well as there is enough left for tomorrow. > > You'll be voting Green before you know it
In under a fortnight, actually! Part of the electoral pact with Wor Lass in return for her voting Labour in the locals.
Comments
What about the broadcasting rules during an election period?
Is any other party leader going to be on QT and Marr in same 7 day period (and no doubt numerous interviews on Today programme)?
BBC will rue the day.
> Nigel Fucking Farage was on Question Time last night, so of course he is also on Marr on Sunday.
Scrap the TV tax, that’s what I say.
Because I'm seriously pissed off with this now.
> > @bigjohnowls said:
> > Who are the LDs?
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> The Lib Dems are the ones who took hundreds of seats off the Conservatives earlier this month.
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> Do try to keep up, Mr Owls!
I am a LD for the Euro elections.. but only for that!
> Perhaps Farage & Trump are libertarians in the way Carl Benjamin is a classical liberal.
Classical Liberal. Toby Young is one of those. It actually says so on his Twitter Bio. More than that, it is literally the only thing on his Bio, those 2 words, Classical Liberal.
"Toby Young
@ toadmeister
Classical Liberal"
That's it.
Implication being that it does not merely describe his politics it defines his very essence.
I'll be interested how the nationalist parties do in their respective countries.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/19/brexit-could-spark-democratic-liberation-of-continent-says-gove
> It is why he is such good friends with his British counterpart, and fellow Putin admirer, Mr Farridge.
Farridge must be stopped.
Is it too late? No, but it might be if he smashes the Euros and then wins Peterborough.
Oh god. We joke but we shouldn't - since it will be no joke if he gets lift off.
There is also the issue of why no other Brexit Party person ever seems to appear. It is a total one man show. If they did then no doubt one of these new candidates with no experience would blurt out some truth or other. But the BBC should insist. Why are they not featuring say Tice on Marr? Why is it alway always Farage?
I can't stand him myself, but like it or not, he's leading the party that's likely to win the forthcoming elections.
The rules are in place to give equal access to competing parties during election periods.
> > @Theuniondivvie said:
> > > @DavidL said:
> > > So here's the state of play at L Towers.
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> > > 1. I am really pissed off (apparently this sort of language is ok now) that we have not yet left the EU. Although there is plenty of blame to go around I think May has to take the lion's share because she is, however notionally, in charge. I am not minded to vote for her or her party in light of this major incompetence and failure.
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> > > 2. I have always accepted that the relatively close nature of the vote plus traditional British pragmatism meant that we we should have a relatively soft Brexit with a continuing close trading relationship with the EU and several areas of bilateral cooperation. In my view May's deal achieves as much of this as can be done at the moment since the EU refused to talk about a lot of things until we had actually left. In short I support her deal.
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> > > 3. This (along with a long list of other things tbh) gives me a problem with the Brexit Party because they don't support the deal. Voting for them is voting for a no deal Brexit. See 2.
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> > > It is the failure of 1. that is requiring these elections to take place at all. I frankly think the Tories should be punished for that and have little doubt that they will be. Bigly. Most of that punishment is going to come as a reward for the Brexit party. Although that gives a clear message it is not a message I actually agree with. I am torn between voting Tory to support the deal and not voting at all in protest. I don't have anyone in this election, which I did not want, that I actively want to vote for.
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> > Vote Willie, give in to your vestigial SDP urges.
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> I think not, even although Fred McIntosh, number 2 on their list, is a friend of mine and a jolly decent chap.
I'm in much the same position as you DavidL.
Tbh, I was slightly surprised to find the SDP still in existence; yet more so that they now appear to occupy the position my heart, if not my head, is in politically. (The thing being with microparties and unknown candidates being that you can project all your hopes onto them, unthwarted by their actions, which are invisible.) But they are tiny, and possibly not even standing in the NW.
> https://twitter.com/tedmoore44/status/1126885623024050178
You haven't noticed that for months on end QT has been dominated by Remainers?
https://youtu.be/ahxG3iPeVcU
Q: Are Trump and Farage willing to tolerate people who are law-abiding but espouse views or values that they disagree with?
A: No. The obvious counter-example for Trump is Muslims. Trump has already advocated immigration laws that were clearly animated by anti-Muslim sentiments (that was the ground on which the first injunction against his policy was granted), so much so in fact that the later appeals by the White House lawyers were on the grounds that although *he* might be anti-Muslim, the policy was not necessarily so by virtue of its proponent's motives. With Farage I think he has the same motives but that's just my conclusion rather than in evidence, so let's go for an actual example. In the debates (GE? Ref?) Farage took a question about immigration as an opportunity to complain about people with AIDS , which is difficult to interpret in a libertarian fashion.
Being right wing and against political correctness is not sufficient to be libertarian. You do have to extent the same courtesies to those who would destroy you if free to do so. Trump and Farage don't do that.
In the staff room a Sri Lankan Consultant, whose wife is a Labour activist, said to me: "Got my postal vote through, I didn't know there was an election!"
Interpretation: low turnout.
> > @rottenborough said:
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> You haven't noticed that for months on end QT has been dominated by Remainers?
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> Heidi Allen on HIGFNY tonight.
Kleenex for Sunil!
> > @rottenborough said:
> > https://twitter.com/tedmoore44/status/1126885623024050178
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> You haven't noticed that for months on end QT has been dominated by Remainers?
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As ~70% of MPs are in favour of staying in, i.e. the result if they were allowed a top-secret ballot, there should be at least two interviews with Clarke, Thornberry, Grieve or Phillips for every one with Lewis or Baker.
Other groups in society are different. If the BBC wishes to interview car mechanics, or farmers, it would probably find a different balance of views.
FWIW though I spoke to a small farmer 10 minutes ago and he said 'They just need to call a halt to it, but I don't care how. Why was it ever put to a referendum if they thought it could cause us this much trouble? Absolute disaster.'
I never go near QT. AQ is slightly pro-EU but so is the R4 audience I think. This Week is probably balanced which is a lot better than BBC News.
> https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1126887122047315974
Ugh, pathetic. Do Dems even consider opposing Trump politically any more, or are their minds so warped by Seth Meyers and Stephen Colbert that this kind of stuff is all they can conceive of?
> I think we have a replacement for ridiculously self conscious posed pics Gavin.
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> https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1126860643544465409
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> I know I should know this but I'm on a train and cannot be arsed. Who is this gentleman who had forgotten the first rule of male fashion (when in doubt, wear a suit) and who is increasingly in need of a hair transplant?
Nicolas Cage before he was famous.
> Nigel Fucking Farage was on Question Time last night, so of course he is also on Marr on Sunday.
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> I have no idea what the BBC think they are doing with all this wall-to-wall Farage coverage. I am minded to think they seek to curry favour with their increasingly older age demographic.
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> What about the broadcasting rules during an election period?
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> Is any other party leader going to be on QT and Marr in same 7 day period (and no doubt numerous interviews on Today programme)?
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> BBC will rue the day.
I suspect the BBC would have any party leader on who says yes - over to you Jeremy, etc.,
> Who should one complain to about BBC excessive coverage of Farage? OfCom or Electoral Commission?
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> Because I'm seriously pissed off with this now.
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> I can't stand him myself, but like it or not, he's leading the party that's likely to win the forthcoming elections.
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> It doesn't matter if he is polling 99%.
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> The rules are in place to give equal access to competing parties during election periods.
Have you any evidence that other leaders have not been asked?
> I think we have a replacement for ridiculously self conscious posed pics Gavin.
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> https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1126860643544465409
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> I know I should know this but I'm on a train and cannot be arsed. Who is this gentleman who had forgotten the first rule of male fashion (when in doubt, wear a suit) and who is increasingly in need of a hair transplant?
Pretty sure it's the guy who gets killed during the ED-209 demo.
This is weird. Normally with politics stuff I consider the individual, list the possible responses, and carefully choose the most apposite. And then give up, swear a lot and make arcane Avengers/Star Trek/whatevs references. But I genuinely don't know who this guy is. It's very freeing. "Oi! Badly dressed guy! Did you get a discount at the forehead shop?!"
I am going to feel so stupid when I find out who he is...
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1126902351858737152?s=20
> https://twitter.com/NickBoles/status/1126781774263140352?s=20
Mike Greene Peterborough’s Brexit Party candidate food stores chain went into administration
https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/people/peterborough-s-secret-millionaire-s-food-stores-chain-goes-into-administration-1-7455559
It's bothering me now. Who is this guy? He's definitely clenching. He's got the wrong build for it: he looks as if he's going to topple over. When he hits 45 his gut will expand faster than a restaurant bill. Oh, I am annoyed: who is this random gentleman who I am gratuitously insulting on the internet for no other reason than my own selfish amusement?
https://twitter.com/Rachel_Mantell/status/1126202742001762304
> Todays anecdate.
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> In the staff room a Sri Lankan Consultant, whose wife is a Labour activist, said to me: "Got my postal vote through, I didn't know there was an election!"
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> Interpretation: low turnout.
I can’t think of a single reason to vote labour in the Euros. Anyone got something to put instead of the question mark?
UKIP - for Farage or no more Muslims
Brexit - for Farage or Brexit
Conservative - for Mays deal
Labour - ?
Lib Dem’s - Bllx to Brexit
Green - Remainers who care mostly about environment
CHUK- Uber remainers who won’t forgive Lib Dem’s for tuition fees
SNP / PC - Scottish and Welsh remainers
> > @DavidL said:
> > So here's the state of play at L Towers.
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> I think a good way to ensure that May's deal is eventually signed (because it's probably as good as it gets) is to vote for the Brexit party. A big margin for the Brexit party will send a pretty strong message to those in Westminster. That, and the arrow....
But you'd have to watch in cringing embarrassment as these fruitcakes take their seats in the European parliament. Things are going to be bad enough for the British service sector after Brexit without our reputation being tarnished further
I’m flirting with the SDP.
> Nigel Fucking Farage was on Question Time last night, so of course he is also on Marr on Sunday.
If he is unpopular as you think he is, why the concern?
> > @RobD said:
> > > @DavidL said:
> > > So here's the state of play at L Towers.
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> > I think a good way to ensure that May's deal is eventually signed (because it's probably as good as it gets) is to vote for the Brexit party. A big margin for the Brexit party will send a pretty strong message to those in Westminster. That, and the arrow....
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> But you'd have to watch in cringing embarrassment as these fruitcakes take their seats in the European parliament. Things are going to be bad enough for the British service sector after Brexit without our reputation being tarnished further
I am sure the Brexit Party will have plenty of company with Vox, Salvini's Lega Nord, the AfD, Le Pen's MEPs, the Swedish Democrats, Law and Justice etc
> > @RobD said:
> > > @DavidL said:
> > > So here's the state of play at L Towers.
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> >
> > I think a good way to ensure that May's deal is eventually signed (because it's probably as good as it gets) is to vote for the Brexit party. A big margin for the Brexit party will send a pretty strong message to those in Westminster. That, and the arrow....
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> But you'd have to watch in cringing embarrassment as these fruitcakes take their seats in the European parliament. Things are going to be bad enough for the British service sector after Brexit without our reputation being tarnished further
Roger, the fruitcake that will will be voted in will be entirely the fault of people like you continually telling people like me what a thick, racist, xenophobic little Englander I am. I may as well live down to your expectations of me.
> Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
The Lib Dems aren’t telling Leave voters to F off ! And bollocks is a lighthearted phrase , it’s really not that strong. And the Lib Dems are trying to get as many Remain votes , an EU election isn’t the time to try and convince Leave voters to change their mind . If people want some waffle and unite the country guff they should look to vote for Labour !
> Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
Course it is acceptable.
I voted Lib Dem in the local elections knowing they are a bunch of shysters!
I might vote LD in the European elections as CUK seem hopeless. I had really wanted to vote CUK but to be honest I take the view it is better for them to merge or rather be assimilated by the LD....
Re running a referendum in the UK where the winning side won by 4 per cent or 1.4 million is a demonstration of democracy.
Guy V only likes reruns when his side loses the first vote!
Just keep voting until you deliver the right result and stop voting when you do!! I could say b******s to that.
> > @TGOHF said:
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> > Brexit has put Sindy off for 30 years - check the polling.
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> > Ulster isn't going anywhere either.
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> > Get some actual positive arguments for staying in the EU and how £12Bn pa is great value if you want to prevent the inevitable.
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> Brexit hasn't happened yet, and you're confusing opinions with tangible facts. Brexit destroys the case for the union in every nation of the UK.
Wales voted Leave just like England
> > @twistedfirestopper3 said:
> > Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
>
> The Lib Dems aren’t telling Leave voters to F off ! And bollocks is a lighthearted phrase , it’s really not that strong. And the Lib Dems are trying to get as many Remain votes , an EU election isn’t the time to try and convince Leave voters to change their mind . If people want some waffle and unite the country guff they should look to vote for Labour !
Trouble is, many people will feel that the LDs Are saying Bollox to them personally. I'd never vote LD anyway, so I don't care what they say. But if OGH says it's a plus for them, I ain't gonna argue.
> > @williamglenn said:
> > > @TGOHF said:
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> > > Brexit has put Sindy off for 30 years - check the polling.
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> > > Ulster isn't going anywhere either.
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> > > Get some actual positive arguments for staying in the EU and how £12Bn pa is great value if you want to prevent the inevitable.
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> > Brexit hasn't happened yet, and you're confusing opinions with tangible facts. Brexit destroys the case for the union in every nation of the UK.
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> Wales voted Leave just like England
And being in a union with Northern Ireland is frustrating that process.
> Trump and Farage are both libertarians, which is the opposite of fascism.
News to Gary Johnson the Libertarian Party candidate in the U.S. in 2016 or even the UK Libertarian Party.
Libertarians are fiscally and socially liberal and pro immigration, they want little state interference in the economy or peoples' private lives, Trump and Farage are populist authoritarians not libertarians
> Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
But, the voters they're aiming for are the ones who really hate people who vote Leave. They need 10-11% to win a reasonable haul of seats.
BOLLOCKS TO BRUSSELS
Is that acceptable?
> The size of the London ballot paper is a joke thanks to the independent climate change candidates standing individually instead of as a group.
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> https://twitter.com/Rachel_Mantell/status/1126202742001762304
Bad news for the Greens having Animal Welfare top of the ballot paper. Might cost them a seat.
> > @Foxy said:
> > Todays anecdate.
> >
> > In the staff room a Sri Lankan Consultant, whose wife is a Labour activist, said to me: "Got my postal vote through, I didn't know there was an election!"
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> > Interpretation: low turnout.
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> I can’t think of a single reason to vote labour in the Euros. Anyone got something to put instead of the question mark?
>
> UKIP - for Farage or no more Muslims
> Brexit - for Farage or Brexit
> Conservative - for Mays deal
> Labour - ?
> Lib Dem’s - Bllx to Brexit
> Green - Remainers who care mostly about environment
> CHUK- Uber remainers who won’t forgive Lib Dem’s for tuition fees
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Labour - to make the Socialist group the biggest in the European Parliament and take control from the EPP.
They don’t know how to handle his appeal.
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> > Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
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> Course it is acceptable.
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> BOLLOCKS TO BRUSSELS
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> Is that acceptable?
Yes, course it is acceptable.
Please tell me why you want to say that though? What would be the motivation? I am just curious.
> Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
Remainers have no motivation at present to reach out to committed Leavers. If you think that bodes ill for the country, it does.
> > @nico67 said:
> > > @twistedfirestopper3 said:
> > > Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
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> > The Lib Dems aren’t telling Leave voters to F off ! And bollocks is a lighthearted phrase , it’s really not that strong. And the Lib Dems are trying to get as many Remain votes , an EU election isn’t the time to try and convince Leave voters to change their mind . If people want some waffle and unite the country guff they should look to vote for Labour !
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> Trouble is, many people will feel that the LDs Are saying Bollox to them personally. I'd never vote LD anyway, so I don't care what they say. But if OGH says it's a plus for them, I ain't gonna argue.
As a Remainer let’s say a party had Bollocks to Brussels or Bollocks to the EU I wouldn’t take it personally . I think it’s a pretty funny term and not in the least bit offensive .
It’s because it would be to reward bad behaviour by implacable opponents of Brexit who have sought to prevent the government implementing the results of the vote from day 1
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/05/10/former-conservative-donor-jeremy-hosking-revealed-200000-donor/
> > @twistedfirestopper3 said:
> > Bollox to Brexit is great if you really hate people who voted to Leave. Not so great if, as Mr Meeks likes to point out, you want to reach out to the other side. Is it acceptable to say "Fuck the Lib Dems"?
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> Remainers have no motivation at present to reach out to committed Leavers. If you think that bodes ill for the country, it does.
It does.
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> > I know I should know this but I'm on a train and cannot be arsed. Who is this gentleman who had forgotten the first rule of male fashion (when in doubt, wear a suit) and who is increasingly in need of a hair transplant?
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> Nicolas Cage before he was famous.
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> I'm looking at it and I'm thinking "worst fashion runway evah". I mean, you want to go up to him and congratulate him on tying his shoelaces all by himself today, just like a big boy.
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> This is weird. Normally with politics stuff I consider the individual, list the possible responses, and carefully choose the most apposite. And then give up, swear a lot and make arcane Avengers/Star Trek/whatevs references. But I genuinely don't know who this guy is. It's very freeing. "Oi! Badly dressed guy! Did you get a discount at the forehead shop?!"
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> I am going to feel so stupid when I find out who he is...
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> I think it’s Raab??
Wrong.
Clue: The right answer followed by Raab sounds like what you would order in a Bangkok brothel if you couldn't afford the full monty.
Of course, the LibDems are not the only ones to have made politics mean-spirited and boorish. But, they have now added their pennyworth to the vast fund of ill-feeling and rudeness.
The losers in all this are the politicians themselves -- it becomes more acceptable to behave rudely to MPs, hence for example the assaults on candidates during the local elections.
And of course, the other loser is politics itself, which should be about ideas and principles, about argument and debate.
I was probably never going to vote LibDem again anyhow, but this is just one more reason not do.
> They don’t know how to handle his appeal.
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> It's people who want Brexit to happen who should worry most about his appeal given that he is a huge spoiler for any sensible plan.
I am pretty relaxed at his gurning face appearing all over the place. He is a divisive character and a good motivator to get out the Remain vote.
As a bonus, he will destroy the Conservatives.
> Off topic - day 10 of 'Meat free May'. Tonight it's vegetable one-pot with lentils and quinoa(!). I'm actually enjoying it. Just as well as there is enough left for tomorrow.
You'll be voting Green before you know it
Can’t wait.
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> > > > So here's the state of play at L Towers.
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> > > I think a good way to ensure that May's deal is eventually signed (because it's probably as good as it gets) is to vote for the Brexit party. A big margin for the Brexit party will send a pretty strong message to those in Westminster. That, and the arrow....
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> > But you'd have to watch in cringing embarrassment as these fruitcakes take their seats in the European parliament. Things are going to be bad enough for the British service sector after Brexit without our reputation being tarnished further
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> Roger, the fruitcake that will will be voted in will be entirely the fault of people like you continually telling people like me what a thick, racist, xenophobic little Englander I am. I may as well live down to your expectations of me.
You're Britain's finest! Public servants who save lives are forgiven for making eccentric political judgements.
> > @SandyRentool said:
> > Off topic - day 10 of 'Meat free May'. Tonight it's vegetable one-pot with lentils and quinoa(!). I'm actually enjoying it. Just as well as there is enough left for tomorrow.
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> You'll be voting Green before you know it
In under a fortnight, actually! Part of the electoral pact with Wor Lass in return for her voting Labour in the locals.