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  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 3,125
    first, but all my good work has been abandoned in the previous thread
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,158
    Second :(
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 4,468
    edited May 10
    32p you'll never see again!
    CUK from 2 to 10%. That is a huge variation. The former means they are strangled at birth.
    The latter a remarkable achievement given their newness, lack of a ground game, and a long established party sitting in pretty much the same space.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 2,208
    If
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 5,180
    > @dixiedean said:
    > 32p you'll never see again!


    But if it comes up you'll never hear the last of it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 11,518
    > @Omnium said:
    > first, but all my good work has been abandoned in the previous thread

    Yes, but you know what they say - never mind the bollocks...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 4,468
    > @MikeSmithson said:
    > > @dixiedean said:
    > > 32p you'll never see again!
    >
    >
    > But if it comes up you'll never hear the last of it.

    And quite right too! :)
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 1,186
    #brexitparty

    Top choice for Britain!
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 3,125
    > @Nigelb said:
    > > @Omnium said:
    > > first, but all my good work has been abandoned in the previous thread
    >
    > Yes, but you know what they say - never mind the bollocks...
    >
    >

    I'm not sure you appreciate how lacklustre my comments can be!

    Nobody ever got rich by saying they'd disregard dismal diatribes.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 9,452
    Have been looking at the list of candidates in SW, I have little useful information about how they stand. The wretches at the top of the party list have more chance than the ones at the bottom.

    I note that Adonis is Labour's 2nd on the list, he has twisted around like a corpse on a gibbet, changing position as the wind blows. UKIP no 2 is that contemptible wretch Benjamin. Widdcombe is no 1 for Brexit. One of the Johnson tribe heads up the list for Change UK.

    If I wanted to discredit the European Parliamentarians, I guess that I would have offered up the D'Hondt voting method. The connection between candidate and voter is lost. I hate it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 4,468
    > @dr_spyn said:
    > Have been looking at the list of candidates in SW, I have little useful information about how they stand. The wretches at the top of the party list have more chance than the ones at the bottom.
    >
    > I note that Adonis is Labour's 2nd on the list, he has twisted around like a corpse on a gibbet, changing position as the wind blows. UKIP no 2 is that contemptible wretch Benjamin. Widdcombe is no 1 for Brexit. One of the Johnson tribe heads up the list for Change UK.
    >
    > If I wanted to discredit the European Parliamentarians, I guess that I would have offered up the D'Hondt voting method. The connection between candidate and voter is lost. I hate it.

    That's the closed list...you can have D'Hondt with open lists just as easily.
  • Bollocks.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 29,880
    BOLLOCKS TO BETTING
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 1,186
    Looks like everyone has gone LD on here!
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 2,620
    FPT, Stodge says

    "If you want to join the debate, you are more than welcome but don't expect it to be an afternoon tea party at the vicarage."

    Right, so that is what passes for "the debate" in the LibDems.

    Bollocks.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 25,218
    I'm going to go out on a limb here:

    I think OGH's bet is an excellent one.

    Here's how it could pay off.

    1. In the actual ballot box, people are more confused by the difference between UKIP and Brexit than we think. (Remember, these polls are all panels of largely self selecting, politically aware people.) Maybe the BRX:UKIP split is as close as 70:30.

    2. Remainers are more fired up. A large number of them signed a petition.

    3. The LibDems (thanks to Bollocks to Brexit) manage to persuade people that they are the protest vote to make in favour of Remain.

    Let's say BRX:UKIP get 36% between them. Well, if 1 is correct, then BRX may only pick up 24-25%.

    And if 2 & 3 are correct, then the LDs could beat that.

    A probability? No. A possibility? Not even that. But a better than 150-1 chance, yes.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 3,125
    > @Sunil_Prasannan said:
    > BOLLOCKS TO BETTING
    So don't bet.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 5,180
    > @Ave_it said:
    > #brexitparty
    >
    > Top choice for Britain!

    A Watford fan speaks
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,158

    BOLLOCKS TO BETTING

    Bollocks to blockquotes.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 2,208
    edited May 10
    Ave_it said:

    Looks like everyone has gone LD on here!

    Never go full Lib Dem.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 27,945
    edited May 10
    How low can they go? You'd think the Conservatives falling below the SNP is impossible, but is it? ;)
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 1,186
    > @MikeSmithson said:
    > > @Ave_it said:
    > > #brexitparty
    > >
    > > Top choice for Britain!
    >
    > A Watford fan speaks

    Big teams come through!

    #watford2mancity0
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 9,452
    edited May 10
    > @Ave_it said:
    > Looks like everyone has gone LD on here!
    >
    >

    I hope you enjoy the Cup Final. Good to see you posting again.

    I would sooner voting SNP or PC rather than the shower of shit standing in the SW.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 8,566
    > @YBarddCwsc said:
    > FPT, Stodge says
    >
    > "If you want to join the debate, you are more than welcome but don't expect it to be an afternoon tea party at the vicarage."
    >
    > Right, so that is what passes for "the debate" in the LibDems.
    >
    > Bollocks.

    Bollocks to Brexit is a good slogan, just look at how it has got attention. It will motivate the vote, though convert few.

    It is no more puerile than the Brexiteers slogans, and considerably more catchy, additionally it sums up the zeitgeist well.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 1,186
    > @dr_spyn said:
    > > @Ave_it said:
    > > Looks like everyone has gone LD on here!
    > >
    > >
    >
    > I hope enjoy the Cup Final.
    >
    > I would sooner voting SNP or PC rather than the shower of shit standing in the SW.

    TY! :lol:
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 3,125
    > @Foxy said:
    > > @YBarddCwsc said:
    > > FPT, Stodge says
    > >
    > > "If you want to join the debate, you are more than welcome but don't expect it to be an afternoon tea party at the vicarage."
    > >
    > > Right, so that is what passes for "the debate" in the LibDems.
    > >
    > > Bollocks.
    >
    > Bollocks to Brexit is a good slogan, just look at how it has got attention. It will motivate the vote, though convert few.
    >
    > It is no more puerile than the Brexiteers slogans, and considerably more catchy, additionally it sums up the zeitgeist well.

    Just the end of the LDs in my view. They've traded in for a slogan. They've traded in to become a protest party. Their choice.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 27,945

    Ave_it said:

    Looks like everyone has gone LD on here!

    Never go full Lib Dem.
    Bollocks to that.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 1,186
    Ave it forecast

    Brexit Party 40%
    LAB 20%
    LD 10%
    CON 10%
    Small parties 20%
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 2,589
    > @dr_spyn said:
    > Have been looking at the list of candidates in SW, I have little useful information about how they stand. The wretches at the top of the party list have more chance than the ones at the bottom.
    >
    > I note that Adonis is Labour's 2nd on the list, he has twisted around like a corpse on a gibbet, changing position as the wind blows. UKIP no 2 is that contemptible wretch Benjamin. Widdcombe is no 1 for Brexit. One of the Johnson tribe heads up the list for Change UK.
    >
    > If I wanted to discredit the European Parliamentarians, I guess that I would have offered up the D'Hondt voting method. The connection between candidate and voter is lost. I hate it.

    I think your verdict on Adonis is a little unfair. He has been a consistent opponent of Brexit, his recent statement in support of the official Labour line should be viewed with some scepticism. Labour, unlike the Tories, still has some residual ability to enforce message discipline on candidates.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 8,263
    Foxy said:

    > @YBarddCwsc said:

    > FPT, Stodge says

    >

    > "If you want to join the debate, you are more than welcome but don't expect it to be an afternoon tea party at the vicarage."

    >

    > Right, so that is what passes for "the debate" in the LibDems.

    >

    > Bollocks.



    Bollocks to Brexit is a good slogan, just look at how it has got attention. It will motivate the vote, though convert few.



    It is no more puerile than the Brexiteers slogans, and considerably more catchy, additionally it sums up the zeitgeist well.

    It's tipped me to vote LD... I was weighing up LD, CUK or Green (and might well have gone Labour if Corbyn had backed a 2nd Ref).

    The LD's ballsy (sorry) slogan has won me over.
  • I only know 2 Lib Dems. I like them both. One describes Nick Clegg as "Zuckerberg's fluffer". The other one is an ex parish Councillor. If he wasn't a Lib Dem, I'd have voted for him last week.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 25,953
    > @Ave_it said:
    > Ave it forecast
    >
    > Brexit Party 40%
    > LAB 20%
    > LD 10%
    > CON 10%
    > Small parties 20%
    >
    >

    40% seems a bit high for the Brexit Party.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 7,948

    Foxy said:

    > @YBarddCwsc said:

    > FPT, Stodge says

    >

    > "If you want to join the debate, you are more than welcome but don't expect it to be an afternoon tea party at the vicarage."

    >

    > Right, so that is what passes for "the debate" in the LibDems.

    >

    > Bollocks.



    Bollocks to Brexit is a good slogan, just look at how it has got attention. It will motivate the vote, though convert few.



    It is no more puerile than the Brexiteers slogans, and considerably more catchy, additionally it sums up the zeitgeist well.

    It's tipped me to vote LD... I was weighing up LD, CUK or Green (and might well have gone Labour if Corbyn had backed a 2nd Ref).

    The LD's ballsy (sorry) slogan has won me over.
    Yes, it has stolen the limelight from the other Remain parties. I think it's coarse, but when looked at like that, it is probably a success.
  • > @Luckyguy1983 said:
    > > @YBarddCwsc said:
    >
    > > FPT, Stodge says
    >
    > >
    >
    > > "If you want to join the debate, you are more than welcome but don't expect it to be an afternoon tea party at the vicarage."
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Right, so that is what passes for "the debate" in the LibDems.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Bollocks.
    >
    >
    >
    > Bollocks to Brexit is a good slogan, just look at how it has got attention. It will motivate the vote, though convert few.
    >
    >
    >
    > It is no more puerile than the Brexiteers slogans, and considerably more catchy, additionally it sums up the zeitgeist well.
    >
    > It's tipped me to vote LD... I was weighing up LD, CUK or Green (and might well have gone Labour if Corbyn had backed a 2nd Ref).
    >
    > The LD's ballsy (sorry) slogan has won me over.
    >
    > Yes, it has stolen the limelight from the other Remain parties. I think it's coarse, but when looked at like that, it is probably a success.

    They've been honest in their stated aim all along, so fair play to them. Labour and the Tories have tried to be all things to all men and deserve all they get. The Cuks will fizzle out of existence.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 25,218
    > @Omnium said:
    > > @Foxy said:
    > > > @YBarddCwsc said:
    > > > FPT, Stodge says
    > > >
    > > > "If you want to join the debate, you are more than welcome but don't expect it to be an afternoon tea party at the vicarage."
    > > >
    > > > Right, so that is what passes for "the debate" in the LibDems.
    > > >
    > > > Bollocks.
    > >
    > > Bollocks to Brexit is a good slogan, just look at how it has got attention. It will motivate the vote, though convert few.
    > >
    > > It is no more puerile than the Brexiteers slogans, and considerably more catchy, additionally it sums up the zeitgeist well.
    >
    > Just the end of the LDs in my view. They've traded in for a slogan. They've traded in to become a protest party. Their choice.

    Being a protest party from 1992 to 2010 worked well: they protested against the Iraq war, they protested against tuition fees, they protested against some local development.

    Being opposed to things is a vote winner. (Look at UKIP in the last European Elections.)
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 2,589
    > @AndyJS said:
    > > @Ave_it said:
    > > Ave it forecast
    > >
    > > Brexit Party 40%
    > > LAB 20%
    > > LD 10%
    > > CON 10%
    > > Small parties 20%
    > >
    > >
    >
    > 40% seems a bit high for the Brexit Party.

    Agreed. I doubt they'll be more than 30. Previous Euro election opinion polling has tended to overstate UKIP and it seems quite likely that the same is now happening with BP.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 5,143
    Omnium said:

    Just the end of the LDs in my view. They've traded in for a slogan. They've traded in to become a protest party. Their choice.

    Amidst all the pomposity of those "who'll never vote Lib Dem" and the faux outrage of using the word "Bollocks" in a slogan this is a sensible and coherent comment and a concern I certainly have.

    Yes, we're a one-trick pony as we were during the Iraq War for instance but having a USP gets us coverage and attention and frankly no one is interested in our industrial policy (whatever that is).

    Being a party of protest is nothing new - we always were and benefitted while the Conservatives floundered in Opposition and when Labour floundered in Government but in 2010 we were faced with having the opportunity to be a part of Government and get some of our policies enacted versus a comfy but futile life on the sidelines.

    I've said this before - the Party I joined in the early 80s died in the fires of the Coalition. The LD Party since 2015 is something new - between two thirds and three quarters of its members joined after 2015. It has undoubtedly taken on a pro-EU pro-immigration strongly internationalist identity which is fine for its supporters but it immediately alienates swathes of the electorate.

    That's fair enough - trying to build a big enough tent to include everyone is futile - the tent collapses because of the internal contradictions. You can't please all of the people all of the time and a sensible political party doesn't try to run after the voters but plants its banner and says to the voters "this is where we stand".

    For now, Brexit is the only game in town but there will come a time when it isn't and the Party faces the same questions Conservatives, Socialists, Greens and others face around building an open, fair and positive society for the 2020s and beyond.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 8,566
    AndyJS said:

    > @Ave_it said:

    > Ave it forecast

    >

    > Brexit Party 40%

    > LAB 20%

    > LD 10%

    > CON 10%

    > Small parties 20%

    >

    >



    40% seems a bit high for the Brexit Party.

    Its LibDems, Fahsands of 'em!


  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 10,864
    > @rcs1000 said:
    > I'm going to go out on a limb here:
    >
    > I think OGH's bet is an excellent one.
    >
    > Here's how it could pay off.
    >
    > 1. In the actual ballot box, people are more confused by the difference between UKIP and Brexit than we think. (Remember, these polls are all panels of largely self selecting, politically aware people.) Maybe the BRX:UKIP split is as close as 70:30.
    >
    > 2. Remainers are more fired up. A large number of them signed a petition.
    >
    > 3. The LibDems (thanks to Bollocks to Brexit) manage to persuade people that they are the protest vote to make in favour of Remain.
    >
    > Let's say BRX:UKIP get 36% between them. Well, if 1 is correct, then BRX may only pick up 24-25%.
    >
    > And if 2 & 3 are correct, then the LDs could beat that.
    >
    > A probability? No. A possibility? Not even that. But a better than 150-1 chance, yes.

    4. Bollocks to Brexit prompts some Leavers to vote LibDem as inattentive voters focus on the wrong word.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 3,125
    > @rcs1000 said:
    > > @Omnium said:
    > > > @Foxy said:
    > > > > @YBarddCwsc said:
    > > > > FPT, Stodge says
    > > > >
    > > > > "If you want to join the debate, you are more than welcome but don't expect it to be an afternoon tea party at the vicarage."
    > > > >
    > > > > Right, so that is what passes for "the debate" in the LibDems.
    > > > >
    > > > > Bollocks.
    > > >
    > > > Bollocks to Brexit is a good slogan, just look at how it has got attention. It will motivate the vote, though convert few.
    > > >
    > > > It is no more puerile than the Brexiteers slogans, and considerably more catchy, additionally it sums up the zeitgeist well.
    > >
    > > Just the end of the LDs in my view. They've traded in for a slogan. They've traded in to become a protest party. Their choice.
    >
    > Being a protest party from 1992 to 2010 worked well: they protested against the Iraq war, they protested against tuition fees, they protested against some local development.
    >
    > Being opposed to things is a vote winner. (Look at UKIP in the last European Elections.)

    Not convinced, but neither are you.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 2,620
    > Yes, it has stolen the limelight from the other Remain parties. I think it's coarse, but when looked at like that, it is probably a success.

    Remember "Bollocks to Tuition Fees" was a success.

    It worked & delivered 57 LibDem MPs, many supported by the student vote. Nick Clegg signed to say "I pledge to vote against any increase in fees in the next parliament and to pressure the government to introduce a fairer alternative".

    In retrospect, though, it may have been better for the LibDems, if they had left slightly more ambiguity.

    In the short term, "Bollocks to Brexit" may work. Longer term, it leaves the LibDems with an indefensible policy.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 10,864
    The slogan has certainly fired up the pb LibDems.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 5,143
    Ave_it said:

    Looks like everyone has gone LD on here!

    To be fair, no one thought James Buster Douglas would beat Mike Tyson. No one thought an amateur would beat Ronnie O'Sullivan in the first round of the world championships.

    No one thinks Watford will beat Man City next Saturday.
  • Ave_itAve_it Posts: 1,186
    > @stodge said:
    > Looks like everyone has gone LD on here!
    >
    > To be fair, no one thought James Buster Douglas would beat Mike Tyson. No one thought an amateur would beat Ronnie O'Sullivan in the first round of the world championships.
    >
    > No one thinks Watford will beat Man City next Saturday.

    I do!
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 9,452
    Bollocks to Brexit, on a par with EU FU.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 2,589
    edited May 10
    > @rcs1000 said:
    > > @Omnium said:
    > > > @Foxy said:
    > > > > @YBarddCwsc said:
    > > > > FPT, Stodge says
    > > > >
    > > > > "If you want to join the debate, you are more than welcome but don't expect it to be an afternoon tea party at the vicarage."
    > > > >
    > > > > Right, so that is what passes for "the debate" in the LibDems.
    > > > >
    > > > > Bollocks.
    > > >
    > > > Bollocks to Brexit is a good slogan, just look at how it has got attention. It will motivate the vote, though convert few.
    > > >
    > > > It is no more puerile than the Brexiteers slogans, and considerably more catchy, additionally it sums up the zeitgeist well.
    > >
    > > Just the end of the LDs in my view. They've traded in for a slogan. They've traded in to become a protest party. Their choice.
    >
    > Being a protest party from 1992 to 2010 worked well: they protested against the Iraq war, they protested against tuition fees, they protested against some local development.
    >
    > Being opposed to things is a vote winner. (Look at UKIP in the last European Elections.)

    Before 2010 the Lib Dems occupied the important constitutional role of NOTA party. Then they joined the coalition and UKIP became the vehicle of choice for those who wanted to vote for None of the Above and protest against the two main parties. The increased UKIP vote that resulted frightened Cameron into conceding an EU referendum.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 25,953
    "Police investigate Danny Baker's royal baby tweet

    The radio presenter was accused of racism when he posted a photo of a suited chimpanzee after the Duchess of Sussex gave birth."

    https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-danny-bakers-royal-baby-tweet-11716680
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 2,589
    > @YBarddCwsc said:
    >
    > > Yes, it has stolen the limelight from the other Remain parties. I think it's coarse, but when looked at like that, it is probably a success.
    >
    > Remember "Bollocks to Tuition Fees" was a success.
    >
    > It worked & delivered 57 LibDem MPs, many supported by the student vote. Nick Clegg signed to say "I pledge to vote against any increase in fees in the next parliament and to pressure the government to introduce a fairer alternative".
    >
    > In retrospect, though, it may have been better for the LibDems, if they had left slightly more ambiguity.
    >
    > In the short term, "Bollocks to Brexit" may work. Longer term, it leaves the LibDems with an indefensible policy.

    I think the 6m people signed a petition in support of the Lib Dem position might disagree with you.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 2,354
    Scott_P said:
    It's not live is it? Maybe they saw the footage.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 2,208
    edited May 10

    > @YBarddCwsc said:
    > > Yes, it has stolen the limelight from the other Remain parties. I think it's coarse, but when looked at like that, it is probably a success.
    > Remember "Bollocks to Tuition Fees" was a success.
    > It worked & delivered 57 LibDem MPs, many supported by the student vote. Nick Clegg signed to say "I pledge to vote against any increase in fees in the next parliament and to pressure the government to introduce a fairer alternative".
    > In retrospect, though, it may have been better for the LibDems, if they had left slightly more ambiguity.
    > In the short term, "Bollocks to Brexit" may work. Longer term, it leaves the LibDems with an indefensible policy.


    I think the 6m people signed a petition in support of the Lib Dem position might disagree with you.

    Were they all real? Were they all eligible to vote?

    We shall see.

    If the Lib Dem’s don’t get at least 6 million votes then it’ll been a bit of a disaster.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 4,190
    edited May 10
    > @Scott_P said:
    >

    He was in a car crash but he wasn't driving. Not a big story. Clickbait.

    EDIT: He's still alive.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 8,263
    Scott_P said:
    That's an interesting teaser... does the Sun have some dirt on our Nige by any chance?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 14,383
    > @Ave_it said:
    > Ave it forecast
    >
    > Brexit Party 40%
    > LAB 20%
    > LD 10%
    > CON 10%
    > Small parties 20%
    >
    >

    Ave It!!!!!!! :open_mouth:
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 14,383
    > @Benpointer said:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > That's an interesting teaser... does the Sun have some dirt on our Nige by any chance?

    Cocaine and hookers? :D
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 2,620
    edited May 10
    Anothernick said:

    > I think the 6m people signed a petition in support of the Lib Dem position might disagree with you.

    That doesn't mean that the policy (whatever it is) can be delivered.

    Does it means ignoring the referendum and returning to the status quo before 2016?

    Does it mean running a second referendum? And ignoring that if there is more Brexit Bollocks?

    It is a slogan as meaningless as "Build the Wall". The Wall will never be built.

    We can't return to the status quo before 2016, because of all the things that have happened.

    "What has been done cannot be undone", as the EU Commissioner Lord Hill said regretfully after the vote.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,158
    > @AndyJS said:
    > "Police investigate Danny Baker's royal baby tweet
    >
    > The radio presenter was accused of racism when he posted a photo of a suited chimpanzee after the Duchess of Sussex gave birth."
    >
    > https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-danny-bakers-royal-baby-tweet-11716680

    I assume all other crimes have been solved at this point.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 393

    > Yes, it has stolen the limelight from the other Remain parties. I think it's coarse, but when looked at like that, it is probably a success.



    Remember "Bollocks to Tuition Fees" was a success.



    It worked & delivered 57 LibDem MPs, many supported by the student vote. Nick Clegg signed to say "I pledge to vote against any increase in fees in the next parliament and to pressure the government to introduce a fairer alternative".



    In retrospect, though, it may have been better for the LibDems, if they had left slightly more ambiguity.



    In the short term, "Bollocks to Brexit" may work. Longer term, it leaves the LibDems with an indefensible policy.

    There is another longer term impact too. There are millions of people who may at some point think about voting LD, for all sorts of good reasons, many of them nothing to do with Europe. They are worthy and dull, but they are not ridiculous like UKIP or Corbynites or the BNP or SPGB or the SWP. It is terrible long term policy to be offensively rude to or about voters, especially those whose votes you may seek one day. Their ghastly slogan draws attention to the fact that they think a Brexit of any sort is such a bad policy that you can say F.. off to its adherents without cost - that it's the same as being anti-racist or anti-Trotsky. Wrong. Bad marketing. The slogan sounds like a teenager waving an SWP poster, or the Speaker's wife.

  • > @RobD said:
    > > @AndyJS said:
    > > "Police investigate Danny Baker's royal baby tweet
    > >
    > > The radio presenter was accused of racism when he posted a photo of a suited chimpanzee after the Duchess of Sussex gave birth."
    > >
    > > https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-danny-bakers-royal-baby-tweet-11716680
    >
    > I assume all other crimes have been solved at this point.

    I don't have a lot of sympathy for Baker, but a police investigation is completely bollocks.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 37,158
    > @Scott_P said:
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    Isn't it because it's in the campaign period? Fine having leaders on question time etc., but quiz shows?
  • BromBrom Posts: 1,453
    I'm not saying Scott P is stupid, very angry yes but stupid no but I should point out that the BBC is not some pro Garage mouthpiece and indeed your very own Anna Soubry was sat alongside him on Question Time. Just want to nip that particular conspiracy theory in the bud.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 2,354
    RobD said:

    AndyJS said:


    > "Police investigate Danny Baker's royal baby tweet

    > The radio presenter was accused of racism when he posted a photo of a suited chimpanzee after the Duchess of Sussex gave birth."

    > https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-danny-bakers-royal-baby-tweet-11716680


    I assume all other crimes have been solved at this point.
    Nor has the police invited the BBC to film a raid on his house, no doubt.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 8,263
    Scott_P said:
    It was ok for JRM to be on the show a week before the 2014 Euros.
  • BromBrom Posts: 1,453
    > @Scott_P said:
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    Oh dear. Nurse! People need to read the BBC electoral guidelines. The frothing over old Nige is making these people look like fools.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 8,241
    Maybe the Brexit Party need their own slogan:

    No Deal Brexit - it's The Dog's Bollocks!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 27,945

    Maybe the Brexit Party need their own slogan:



    No Deal Brexit - it's The Dog's Bollocks!

    Never Mind the Bollocks - Here's the Brexit Party.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 2,354

    Maybe the Brexit Party need their own slogan:



    No Deal Brexit - it's The Dog's Bollocks!

    :smiley:
  • > @williamglenn said:
    > Maybe the Brexit Party need their own slogan:
    >
    >
    >
    > No Deal Brexit - it's The Dog's Bollocks!
    >
    > Never Mind the Bollocks - Here's the Brexit Party.

    > @SandyRentool said:
    > Maybe the Brexit Party need their own slogan:
    >
    > No Deal Brexit - it's The Dog's Bollocks!

    Never mind the bollocks, here's Nige
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 2,620
    > @SandyRentool said:
    > Maybe the Brexit Party need their own slogan:
    >
    > No Deal Brexit - it's The Dog's Bollocks!

    Yeah, maybe all the parties need a Bollocks slogan.

    "Bollocks to this, I'm Going Home for a Wank" could be the ever-absent Change Uk's slogan.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 8,263

    Maybe the Brexit Party need their own slogan:



    No Deal Brexit - it's The Dog's Bollocks!

    Fixed it for you.
  • glwglw Posts: 4,975
    edited May 10
    RobD said:

    > @AndyJS said:

    > "Police investigate Danny Baker's royal baby tweet

    >

    > The radio presenter was accused of racism when he posted a photo of a suited chimpanzee after the Duchess of Sussex gave birth."

    >

    > https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-danny-bakers-royal-baby-tweet-11716680



    I assume all other crimes have been solved at this point.

    The Police are obliged to investigate complaints even if they are absurd, minor, false, etc. They unfortunately can't simply go "piss off we've got yet another stabbing to deal with". I'll be surprised if they take any action.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 1,332
    > @Scott_P said:
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    Interesting timing in relation to MPs expenses! Its not like the DT do not have an agenda to help the Brexit party. Shame they don't diligently report Farage and Co for their expenses! Not that I am defending the PIGS in Westminster who provide for themselves but see people go hungry through welfare cuts.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 8,566

    Maybe the Brexit Party need their own slogan:



    No Deal Brexit - it's The Dog's Bollocks!

    No Plan Brexit more like!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 14,383
    > @Scott_P said:
    >

    All this mad frothing is a sign that if LEAVE won another referendum the same people would still throw their toys out of the pram and refuse to implement the result...
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 2,354
    glw said:

    RobD said:

    > @AndyJS said:

    > "Police investigate Danny Baker's royal baby tweet

    >

    > The radio presenter was accused of racism when he posted a photo of a suited chimpanzee after the Duchess of Sussex gave birth."

    >

    > https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-danny-bakers-royal-baby-tweet-11716680



    I assume all other crimes have been solved at this point.

    The Police are obliged to investigate complaints even if they are absurd, minor, false, etc. They unfortunately can't simply go "piss off we've got yet another stabbing to deal with". I'll be surprised if they take any action.
    Does not compute.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 43,472
    edited May 10
    How low can they go? 4th not assured in that respect.

    > @glw said:
    > > @AndyJS said:
    >
    > > "Police investigate Danny Baker's royal baby tweet
    >
    > >
    >
    > > The radio presenter was accused of racism when he posted a photo of a suited chimpanzee after the Duchess of Sussex gave birth."
    >
    > >
    >
    > > https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-danny-bakers-royal-baby-tweet-11716680
    >
    >
    >
    > I assume all other crimes have been solved at this point.
    >
    > The Police are obliged to investigate complaints even if they are absurd, minor, false, etc. They unfortunately can't simply go "piss off we've got yet another stabbing to deal with". I'll be surprised if they take any action.

    Some investigations are incredibly perfunctory and barely worthy of the word for that reason.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 8,241
    > @Scott_P said:
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    I hope they've got a big ring to accommodate all these hats.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 2,620
    edited May 10
    > Some investigations are incredibly perfunctory and barely worthy of the word for that reason.

    Every time I have had the misfortune to call the police, their investigation has been incredibly perfunctory.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 3,181
    > @kle4 said:
    > How low can they go? 4th not assured in that respect.
    >
    > > @glw said:
    > > > @AndyJS said:
    > >
    > > > "Police investigate Danny Baker's royal baby tweet
    > >
    > > >
    > >
    > > > The radio presenter was accused of racism when he posted a photo of a suited chimpanzee after the Duchess of Sussex gave birth."
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    > > >
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    > > > https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigate-danny-bakers-royal-baby-tweet-11716680
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > I assume all other crimes have been solved at this point.
    > >
    > > The Police are obliged to investigate complaints even if they are absurd, minor, false, etc. They unfortunately can't simply go "piss off we've got yet another stabbing to deal with". I'll be surprised if they take any action.
    >
    > Some investigations are incredibly perfunctory and barely worthy of the word for that reason.

    DB was an idiot. End of story.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 8,263
    Scott_P said:
    Is he going to change the leadership rules to allow himself to run?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 8,241
    The Chukkers launch just got 15 seconds coverage on the News at Ten.

    I bet they think that is Bollocks.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 43,472
    edited May 10
    > @GIN1138 said:
    > > @Scott_P said:
    > >
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    > All this mad frothing is a sign that if LEAVE won another referendum the same people would still throw their toys out of the pram and refuse to implement the result...

    Obviously so. Which is why pretty much any leave should have been taken up when it was on offer, because once out the process of rejoining, even with a soft leave, would become so much harder, practically, procedurally and psycologically. Some people will give up, at least for a time, if we were actually out. Because we're not, why should they give up? This is very apparent with the demands any deal, even one which would be in accordance with demands, must be put to a public vote - because that gives a chance for remain.

    I do totally get that very many people think some leaves are not worthy of the name. But unless they can somehow overcome a parliament that has shown the only thing they have been able to agree on is not leaving with no deal, I truly think the leaver holdouts underestimate how big a win even a crappy leave would prove. The desperation and passion people have shown fighting to prevent any exit at all demonstrates just how big a deal it would be if they failed, however soft the Brexit.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 3,181
    > @SandyRentool said:
    > > @Scott_P said:
    > >
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    > I hope they've got a big ring to accommodate all these hats.

    Would you like to rephrase that?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 43,472
    > @Scott_P said:
    >

    Yes, unfortunately complaints she has no grasp of the likehood of various options that are actually possible are completely true with statements like that. And I say that as someone who agrees that removing her doesn't really change anything substantive.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 45,565
    kle4 said:

    I do totally get that very many people think some leaves are not worthy of the name. But unless they can somehow overcome a parliament that has shown the only thing they have been able to agree on is not leaving with no deal, I truly think the leaver holdouts underestimate how big a win even a crappy leave would prove. The desperation and passion people have shown fighting to prevent any exit at all demonstrates just how big a deal it would be if they failed, however soft the Brexit.

    There will be a statue commemorating the 27 Spartans who voted against Brexit at every opportunity...
  • BromBrom Posts: 1,453
    > @Sunil_Prasannan said:
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    > Anna was on QT last night

    Quiet you, Change UK would rather she hadn't been.
  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 818
    > @YBarddCwsc said:
    >
    > > Some investigations are incredibly perfunctory and barely worthy of the word for that reason.
    >
    > Every time I have had the misfortune to call the police, their investigation has been incredibly perfunctory.

    The Police have more than adequate resources to investigate the alleged crimes it suits them to do so. May I offer Ted Heath as an example?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 43,472
    > @SandyRentool said:
    > The Chukkers launch just got 15 seconds coverage on the News at Ten.
    >
    > I bet they think that is Bollocks.

    This is genuinely the first I have heard of it (in fairness it has been a busy day).
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 1,332
    > @ReggieCide said:
    > > @SandyRentool said:
    > > > @Scott_P said:
    > > >
    > >
    > > I hope they've got a big ring to accommodate all these hats.
    >
    > Would you like to rephrase that?

    Some of these MPs have no self awareness! They have zero appeal to the public IMO. I have spoken to people before who cannot believe that Esther McVey woman thinks she could be PM. She sounds coarse like some Liverpool version of one of the viz's fat slags!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 43,472
    > @YBarddCwsc said:
    >
    > > Some investigations are incredibly perfunctory and barely worthy of the word for that reason.
    >
    > Every time I have had the misfortune to call the police, their investigation has been incredibly perfunctory.

    Unfortunately not every perfunctory investigation is, for wont of a better word, justified of course.
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