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  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,922
    > @another_richard said:
    > > @Alanbrooke said:
    > > Konnie Huq seems to think we still have a coal mining industry
    >
    > Details ?
    >
    > I assume you mean Rupa Huq and not her better known sister.

    Soopah Roopah as she's known here in Ealing Central and Acton.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Farage's comments about the EU beating down our door for a trade deal post no deal Brexit are a palpable nonsense given they haven't done one with the USA yet.



    The interview seemed successful to me however - no car crash.

    Farage is still good, but you can see the direction he is going. He is relying more and more on lies and bluster and less on the quick thinking and humour he used to have in abundance. He will become a parody of himself. He should have quite while he was ahead.
    I’m sure that, had we actually left the EU on 29th March, we’d be hearing very little from him now. He’s only launched a new party to fight these elections, because we haven’t left yet.
    Yeah. Sure.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    I think Farage won that interview with Marr. The 'gotcha' style of questioning isn't an effective way of putting him on the back foot.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765
    > @justin124 said:
    > > @bigjohnowls said:
    > > Just voted in Euros.
    > >
    > > Pen hovering between BREXIT party and Labour
    > >
    > > Sense prevailed.
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    > Surprised you even considered it - a vote for Farage would be little different to a vote for Oswald Mosley.

    Mosley was a big fan of the European Union.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967
    > @ThomasNashe said:
    > > @another_richard said:
    > > > @Alanbrooke said:
    > > > Konnie Huq seems to think we still have a coal mining industry
    > >
    > > Details ?
    > >
    > > I assume you mean Rupa Huq and not her better known sister.
    >
    > Soopah Roopah as she's known here in Ealing Central and Acton.

    You must have pretty low standards.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    > @Sean_F said:
    > > @justin124 said:
    > > > @bigjohnowls said:
    > > > Just voted in Euros.
    > > >
    > > > Pen hovering between BREXIT party and Labour
    > > >
    > > > Sense prevailed.
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    > > Surprised you even considered it - a vote for Farage would be little different to a vote for Oswald Mosley.
    >
    > Mosley was a big fan of the European Union.

    It didn't exist in his day.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    Sean_F said:

    @justin124 Surprised you even considered it - a vote for Farage would be little different to a vote for Oswald Mosley.

    Mosley was a big fan of the European Union.

    And a Labour minister. And a sex maniac.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043
    If I were setting up an electoral vote strategy for a Democratic nominee in 2020, I wouldn't waste my resources on Ohio.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/10/opinions/trump-ohio-jennings/index.html
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,922
    > @another_richard said:
    > > @ThomasNashe said:
    > > > @another_richard said:
    > > > > @Alanbrooke said:
    > > > > Konnie Huq seems to think we still have a coal mining industry
    > > >
    > > > Details ?
    > > >
    > > > I assume you mean Rupa Huq and not her better known sister.
    > >
    > > Soopah Roopah as she's known here in Ealing Central and Acton.
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    > You must have pretty low standards.

    Does a mean Boris Johnson impression ...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,723
    > @justin124 said:
    > > @Sean_F said:
    > > > @justin124 said:
    > > > > @bigjohnowls said:
    > > > > Just voted in Euros.
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    > > > > Pen hovering between BREXIT party and Labour
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    > > > > Sense prevailed.
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    > > > Surprised you even considered it - a vote for Farage would be little different to a vote for Oswald Mosley.
    > >
    > > Mosley was a big fan of the European Union.
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    > It didn't exist in his day.

    Am as annoyed as the average Chesterfield voter that we have not BREXITed.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    nico67 said:

    Some very bizarre results in that Opinium poll.



    And really completely out of step with other polls. Unless the country has gone over night from at least half and half Remain v Leave to suddenly loving Brexit then it looks weird especially as Comres continues the trend to have Remain winning another EU ref.

    Remain versus leave seems pretty stable. But I can believe that people are all over the place in respect of which party to vote for. I know I am.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559
    > @another_richard said:
    > > @Alanbrooke said:
    > > Konnie Huq seems to think we still have a coal mining industry
    >
    > Details ?
    >
    > I assume you mean Rupa Huq and not her better known sister.

    take your word for it was Sky named her as Konnie, she was spouting on about how UK shouldnt be digging coal out of the ground, which came as news to me as I thought wed closed all our mines down.

    I was vaguely amused as I thought shes the type of right onner who 35 years ago would have been on a demo demanding coal mines are kept open
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758

    Am as annoyed as the average Chesterfield voter that we have not BREXITed.

    Bloody sofa critics...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,402





    This despite him being on their shows every bloody day of the week it seems.
    I am instinctively wary of people who constantly moan about the media, it is such an overused tactic, and lazy to boot.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,748
    > @Sean_F said:
    > > @justin124 said:
    > > > @bigjohnowls said:
    > > > Just voted in Euros.
    > > >
    > > > Pen hovering between BREXIT party and Labour
    > > >
    > > > Sense prevailed.
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    > > Surprised you even considered it - a vote for Farage would be little different to a vote for Oswald Mosley.
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    > Mosley was a big fan of the European Union.

    As with 'the' customs union, the definite v the indefinite article is important. D'ye think were he alive, old Ozzie would be a big fan of the EU?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    I think it's time for us to give Boris a tilt at the top. If the PM had quit two months ago we wouldn't be in the position but her selfish and frankly stupid attitude has put us in a position where the only option we have left is to push the red button.

    I hate the idea of Boris being PM but who else is there that still has any kind of credibility among the 52%, who else is there that can go toe to toe with Nige and come out on top, who else can brush off personal scandals in the same way as the Donald.

    We, as a party, need to embrace Boris as our immediate future or we face extinction.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    > @ydoethur said:
    > Am as annoyed as the average Chesterfield voter that we have not BREXITed.
    >
    > Bloody sofa critics...

    You couch your criticism in strong language.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    I think Farage won that interview with Marr. The 'gotcha' style of questioning isn't an effective way of putting him on the back foot.

    He certainly got what he wanted out of it - a lot of very postable soundbites.

    I am not sure the pledge not to have a manifesto was wise though.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,402
    nico67 said:

    > @isam said:

    > > >So asking who is the 'someone' you're calling for to be PM is now 'socialism'.

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    > >> So asking how the 'someone' you're calling for to be PM gets a majority in the HoC is now 'socialism'.

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    > >> You've got no answers have you.

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    > > I gave you my answer. Your approach just reminds me of socialism’s requirements which usually lead to stagnation. I don’t need to say who how or why, I just said what I’d like to see.

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    > > Our argument is free market thinking vs socialist planning

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    > So actual real world details and work and responsibility are for other people to take care of.

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    > While you do the 'free thinking' without bothering about the who or the how or the why.

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    > Well that's going to get things sorted out isn't it.

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    > Yes because I don’t have to know who it’s going to be, I just think that a big vote for a no deal party will tilt the balance away from the remainers who want a second referendum or to revoke A50, and someone will emerge to lead that after May. I don’t know party politicians well enough to be able to say who.



    No deal is a suicide note for the Tories . If you want a Corbyn win at the next GE then no deal delivers that.

    Corbyn might well win regardless, therefore the key question should be whether no deal, or deal, or half baked deal or remain or whatever, is the best that can be managed for the country given the political paralysis before us, not whichmight prevent Corbyn winning.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758


    take your word for it was Sky named her as Konnie, she was spouting on about how UK shouldnt be digging coal out of the ground, which came as news to me as I thought wed closed all our mines down.
    I was vaguely amused as I thought shes the type of right onner who 35 years ago would have been on a demo demanding coal mines are kept open

    If this list is accurate, fifteen are still open:

    https://www.compelo.com/coal-mining-in-the-uk/

    But none of them are deep mines. I'm also fairly sure that one of the valleys puts has closed. Some of them are also very small, e.g. there are two in the Forest of Dean that are single man operations.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,263
    > @Alanbrooke said:
    > > @another_richard said:
    > > > @Alanbrooke said:
    > > > Konnie Huq seems to think we still have a coal mining industry
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    > > Details ?
    > >
    > > I assume you mean Rupa Huq and not her better known sister.
    >
    > take your word for it was Sky named her as Konnie, she was spouting on about how UK shouldnt be digging coal out of the ground, which came as news to me as I thought wed closed all our mines down.
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    > I was vaguely amused as I thought shes the type of right onner who 35 years ago would have been on a demo demanding coal mines are kept open

    There's a new one planned:

    https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-20/new-deep-coal-mine-development-wins-planning-approval/

    And anyway open-cast is still going on - it's the deep mines that have closed.
  • > @AlastairMeeks said:
    > > @initforthemoney said:
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    > > > > > @AlastairMeeks said:
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    > > > > > > > Anecdote alert: my mum is very fed up about the EU elections, she told me when she spontaneously brought up the subject yesterday. She’s going to spoil her ballot paper, writing something like Brexit means Brexit on the ballot paper: “lots of people are saying that they’re going to do that”. It had not crossed her mind to vote for the Brexit party: when I asked she told me that she holds Nigel Farage partly responsible for the current mess.
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    > > > > > It didn’t come up in the conversation. She’s not shy about telling me where she thinks I go wrong.
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    > > > > Is she aware of your sweeping generalisations regarding leavers or do you soften the tone at home?
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    > > > You seem very interested in my family life. Perhaps you’d care to share a bit of information about yourself.
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    > I told an anecdote. You took that as a cue to pry into my family life and make untrue assertions about me to make an unhinged point. Take your left hand and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.

    instead of having a tantrum you could simply explain why my sole assertion was wrong if it were wrong.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765
    > @Theuniondivvie said:
    > > @Sean_F said:
    > > > @justin124 said:
    > > > > @bigjohnowls said:
    > > > > Just voted in Euros.
    > > > >
    > > > > Pen hovering between BREXIT party and Labour
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    > > > > Sense prevailed.
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    > > > Surprised you even considered it - a vote for Farage would be little different to a vote for Oswald Mosley.
    > >
    > > Mosley was a big fan of the European Union.
    >
    > As with 'the' customs union, the definite v the indefinite article is important. D'ye think were he alive, old Ozzie would be a big fan of the EU?

    He was a fan of it in the 1970's. He wanted the white nations of the EU to become a superpower that could challenge both the USA and USSR.

    Would he be a fan now? That's harder to say. But, there are still plenty of Continental fascists who share his vision.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Any Remainer voting Labour needs to realize this will just let them get away with another few months of sitting on the fence .

    They need to be trounced at the EU elections . Remainers mission must be to make sure they end up below the Lib Dems .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    Ishmael_Z said:

    > @ydoethur said:
    Am as annoyed as the average Chesterfield voter that we have not BREXITed.
    Bloody sofa critics...

    You couch your criticism in strong language.

    Very good! I'll have to settle for second place...
  • I've just caught a replay of Blair on Sky News. He looks ill and very, very orange. That evil in his soul is eating him from the inside.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,559
    > @ydoethur said:
    > take your word for it was Sky named her as Konnie, she was spouting on about how UK shouldnt be digging coal out of the ground, which came as news to me as I thought wed closed all our mines down.
    > I was vaguely amused as I thought shes the type of right onner who 35 years ago would have been on a demo demanding coal mines are kept open
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    > If this list is accurate, fifteen are still open:
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    > https://www.compelo.com/coal-mining-in-the-uk/
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    > But none of them are deep mines. I'm also fairly sure that one of the valleys puts has closed. Some of them are also very small, e.g. there are two in the Forest of Dean that are single man operations.

    thanks, I thiought wde also closed all the open cast too
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758

    I've just caught a replay of Blair on Sky News. He looks ill and very, very orange. That evil in his soul is eating him from the inside.

    Perhaps we should rename him Dorian Gray? Or do you think he'd go Wilde at the implications?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765
    > @twistedfirestopper3 said:
    > I've just caught a replay of Blair on Sky News. He looks ill and very, very orange. That evil in his soul is eating him from the inside.

    When you look into his eyes, you know that you're staring into the very heart of the devil.
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    > Farage’s economic policy - insofar as one can be discerned - a No Deal Brexit - is likely to do very serious damage to our economy and peoples’ jobs. He is just as willing as Corbyn to perpetrate anti-semitic tropes. He seems to have a fondness for authoritarian illiberal leaders.

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    > There is little to choose between them. Both are examples of illiberal politicians who are helping to normalise - within their parties first and then in society - some deeply unpleasant, hateful and illberal ways of thinking that have in the past brought misery to millions. There is no reason to think that their approach to politics will be any more successful in the future.



    do you ever wonder why people have been driven to vote for them ?

    Yes, I do. If liberals won’t stand up and fight for their values, if they won’t practise what they preach, then it is little wonder people look for something else.

    That won’t stop me thinking and saying that that something else is dangerous and wrong. And wishing that those who believe in liberal democracy and a capitalism that works for the majority actually did something to bring those about and make them stronger rather than simply deploring the alternatives.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    > @twistedfirestopper3 said:
    > I've just caught a replay of Blair on Sky News. He looks ill and very, very orange. That evil in his soul is eating him from the inside.

    Nah, he was on good form. Still 10x smarter than the current lot, admittedly that’s not hard.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,402
    > @nico67 said:
    > Any Remainer voting Labour needs to realize this will just let them get away with another few months of sitting on the fence .
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    > They need to be trounced at the EU elections . Remainers mission must be to make sure they end up below the Lib Dems .
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    That would be an amusing outcome, and frankly not undeserved for the LDs as the unequivocal anti-Brexit party, given unlike a GE people don't need to worry that a vote for the LDs might let the Tories in. I just don't see the outrage at Labour's stance that would see it happen though, other than online from people who either a - are still planning to vote Labour or b - were already not going to vote Labour.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,748
    edited May 2019
    > @Sean_F said:
    > He was a fan of it in the 1970's. He wanted the white nations of the EU to become a superpower that could challenge both the USA and USSR.
    >
    > Would he be a fan now? That's harder to say. But, there are still plenty of Continental fascists who share his vision.


    I'd imagine they'd still be a minority among continental fascists, love the nation of X above others is still a much easier sell than love the EU.
    Our homegrown fascists are pretty uniformly anti EU, aren't they?
  • twistedfirestopper3twistedfirestopper3 Posts: 2,059
    edited May 2019
    > @Jonathan said:
    > > @twistedfirestopper3 said:
    > > I've just caught a replay of Blair on Sky News. He looks ill and very, very orange. That evil in his soul is eating him from the inside.
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    > Nah, he was on good form. Still 10x smarter than the current lot, admittedly that’s not hard.

    He was on good form, knows his way around an interview. He still looked ill and orange, though!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047

    Morning all,



    I fear HS2 will be the first casualty of the forthcoming Tory leadership war.

    I do hope so.
  • > @Sean_F said:
    > > @twistedfirestopper3 said:
    > > I've just caught a replay of Blair on Sky News. He looks ill and very, very orange. That evil in his soul is eating him from the inside.
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    > When you look into his eyes, you know that you're staring into the very heart of the devil.

    A bit dramatic, but he does look like he's only a second away from biting your face off.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    Jonathan said:

    > @twistedfirestopper3 said:
    I've just caught a replay of Blair on Sky News. He looks ill and very, very orange. That evil in his soul is eating him from the inside.
    Nah, he was on good form. Still 10x smarter than the current lot, admittedly that’s not hard.

    Ten times zero remains zero.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758

    Our homegrown fascists are pretty uniformly anti EU, aren't they?

    Corbyn and Macdonnell allegedly voted Remain. Does that count?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047

    > @Morris_Dancer said:

    > Mr. Divvie, you accidentally missed off 'rosbif', which I usually add whenever anyone complains about 'frog'.

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    > Also, you might recall that Mr. G once complained about the term 'Scotch' [excepting when referring to whisky] being used. Ever since, I've avoided using the term.

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    > As for

    > "Hun

    > Eyetie

    > Sweaty

    > Bog trotter

    > Septic

    > etc.",

    > I haven't, to the best of my knowledge, used any of those on any occasion here. Quite remarkable you managed to include them whilst missing off rosbif.





    Since Little Englander was the point of contention, I thought I'd put up a list of specifically English epithets for the MD imprimatur; Rosbif wouldn't qualify.



    Personally couldn't give a feck about 'Scotch', I'll happily use it myself to satirise the type of folk who use it unironically.

    Scotch was once an insult describing someone who was careful with money. That's why Scotch tape is called that, because ot uses less glue. I think it's mainly an American thing, I've never heard an English person use it.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    > @initforthemoney said:
    > > @AlastairMeeks said:
    > > > @initforthemoney said:
    > > > > @AlastairMeeks said:
    > > > > > @initforthemoney said:
    > > > > > > @AlastairMeeks said:
    > > > > > > > @initforthemoney said:
    > > > > > > > > @AlastairMeeks said:
    > > > > > > > > Anecdote alert: my mum is very fed up about the EU elections, she told me when she spontaneously brought up the subject yesterday. She’s going to spoil her ballot paper, writing something like Brexit means Brexit on the ballot paper: “lots of people are saying that they’re going to do that”. It had not crossed her mind to vote for the Brexit party: when I asked she told me that she holds Nigel Farage partly responsible for the current mess.
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > Does she blame you as well?
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > It didn’t come up in the conversation. She’s not shy about telling me where she thinks I go wrong.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Is she aware of your sweeping generalisations regarding leavers or do you soften the tone at home?
    > > > >
    > > > > You seem very interested in my family life. Perhaps you’d care to share a bit of information about yourself.
    > > >
    > > > you were the one who brought your family life up to make a point. it seems you are reluctant to answer my question because it will lay bare your hypocrisy.
    > > >
    > > > i'm left handed.
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    > > I told an anecdote. You took that as a cue to pry into my family life and make untrue assertions about me to make an unhinged point. Take your left hand and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.
    >
    > instead of having a tantrum you could simply explain why my sole assertion was wrong if it were wrong.

    I don’t feel the slightest obligation to explain to anonymous nutjobs my views on matters that are entirely irrelevant to the point I was making.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758

    Scotch was once an insult describing someone who was careful with money. That's why Scotch tape is called that, because ot uses less glue. I think it's mainly an American thing, I've never heard an English person use it.

    Really? I though it was a type of drink.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    > @bigjohnowls said:
    > > @justin124 said:
    > > > @Sean_F said:
    > > > > @justin124 said:
    > > > > > @bigjohnowls said:
    > > > > > Just voted in Euros.
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    > > > > > Pen hovering between BREXIT party and Labour
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    > > > > > Sense prevailed.
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    > > > > Surprised you even considered it - a vote for Farage would be little different to a vote for Oswald Mosley.
    > > >
    > > > Mosley was a big fan of the European Union.
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    > > It didn't exist in his day.
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    > Am as annoyed as the average Chesterfield voter that we have not BREXITed.

    That would never justify support for a Neo-Fascist though.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,232
    Sean_F said:

    > @twistedfirestopper3 said:

    > I've just caught a replay of Blair on Sky News. He looks ill and very, very orange. That evil in his soul is eating him from the inside.



    When you look into his eyes, you know that you're staring into the very heart of the devil.

    That might possibly be a slight exaggeration.
  • The electorates of the EU constantly cite freedom of movement as it's strongest quality, and immigration as it's biggest threat.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,748
    edited May 2019
    > @Luckyguy1983 said:
    > Scotch was once an insult describing someone who was careful with money. That's why Scotch tape is called that, because ot uses less glue. I think it's mainly an American thing, I've never heard an English person use it.


    In the very series of posts to which you're replying Morris Dancer said he did use it but has stopped doing so, so you have at least one English person for your collection.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,921
    Hope Liverpool will win the League, would be nice for them to be Champs for the first time since the Big Bang or summat :)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    viewcode said:

    Sean_F said:

    > @twistedfirestopper3 said:

    > I've just caught a replay of Blair on Sky News. He looks ill and very, very orange. That evil in his soul is eating him from the inside.



    When you look into his eyes, you know that you're staring into the very heart of the devil.

    That might possibly be a slight exaggeration.
    Indeed. All other considerations aside, the devil as an angelic being wouldn't have a heart.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047

    > @Luckyguy1983 said:

    > Scotch was once an insult describing someone who was careful with money. That's why Scotch tape is called that, because ot uses less glue. I think it's mainly an American thing, I've never heard an English person use it.





    In the actual series of posts to which you're replying Morris Dancer said he did use it but has stopped using it, so you have at least one English person for your collection.

    Surprises me - pretty sure anyone under 80 would give you a blank stare if you told them to stop being so Scotch.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    > @MaxPB said:
    > I think it's time for us to give Boris a tilt at the top. If the PM had quit two months ago we wouldn't be in the position but her selfish and frankly stupid attitude has put us in a position where the only option we have left is to push the red button.
    >
    > I hate the idea of Boris being PM but who else is there that still has any kind of credibility among the 52%, who else is there that can go toe to toe with Nige and come out on top, who else can brush off personal scandals in the same way as the Donald.
    >
    > We, as a party, need to embrace Boris as our immediate future or we face extinction.

    Striking how he shortens in the betting the less one hears from him. Very clear market leader now.

    But FWIW I think he's still value. Yes, the early fav never gets it, bla bla, but I'm afraid this could be the exception proving the rule (odd phrase, nonsensical really, bit like whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger, or it takes one to know one). But anyway, yes ...

    The stars are aligning for 3 people:

    Boris Johnson.
    Nigel Farage.
    Jeremy Corbyn.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,922
    > @viewcode said:
    > > @twistedfirestopper3 said:
    >
    > > I've just caught a replay of Blair on Sky News. He looks ill and very, very orange. That evil in his soul is eating him from the inside.
    >
    >
    >
    > When you look into his eyes, you know that you're staring into the very heart of the devil.
    >
    > That might possibly be a slight exaggeration.

    Possibly one of Saatchi's less successful campaigns:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Labour,_New_Danger
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    edited May 2019

    > @Luckyguy1983 said:

    > Scotch was once an insult describing someone who was careful with money. That's why Scotch tape is called that, because ot uses less glue. I think it's mainly an American thing, I've never heard an English person use it.





    In the actual series of posts to which you're replying Morris Dancer said he did use it but has stopped using it, so you have at least one English person for your collection.

    Surprises me - pretty sure anyone under 80 would give you a blank stare if you told them to stop being so Scotch.
    Of course, 'welching' on a bet comes from my fellow-countrymen's supposed lack of integrity in such matters.

    But since we don't refer to ourselves as Welch, it doesn't matter much.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789
    > @kinabalu said:
    >
    > The stars are aligning for 3 people:
    >
    > Boris Johnson.
    > Nigel Farage.
    > Jeremy Corbyn.

    Hmm, perhaps a different trio:

    - Nigel Farage
    - Nicola Sturgeon
    - Mary Lou McDonald
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047
    ydoethur said:

    Scotch was once an insult describing someone who was careful with money. That's why Scotch tape is called that, because ot uses less glue. I think it's mainly an American thing, I've never heard an English person use it.

    Really? I though it was a type of drink.
    It is! And it's obviously archaic for Scottish, hence all its alternative usages.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967
    > @kinabalu said:
    > > @MaxPB said:
    > > I think it's time for us to give Boris a tilt at the top. If the PM had quit two months ago we wouldn't be in the position but her selfish and frankly stupid attitude has put us in a position where the only option we have left is to push the red button.
    > >
    > > I hate the idea of Boris being PM but who else is there that still has any kind of credibility among the 52%, who else is there that can go toe to toe with Nige and come out on top, who else can brush off personal scandals in the same way as the Donald.
    > >
    > > We, as a party, need to embrace Boris as our immediate future or we face extinction.
    >
    > Striking how he shortens in the betting the less one hears from him. Very clear market leader now.
    >
    > But FWIW I think he's still value. Yes, the early fav never gets it, bla bla, but I'm afraid this could be the exception proving the rule (odd phrase, nonsensical really, bit like whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger, or it takes one to know one). But anyway, yes ...
    >
    > The stars are aligning for 3 people:
    >
    > Boris Johnson.
    > Nigel Farage.
    > Jeremy Corbyn.

    If so it would be an indictment on the UK political establishment.
  • ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,501
    On WATO I just heard Heidi Allen call for politics to be made more professional. My son spat a mouthful of tea across the table.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,047
    ydoethur said:

    > @Luckyguy1983 said:

    > Scotch was once an insult describing someone who was careful with money. That's why Scotch tape is called that, because ot uses less glue. I think it's mainly an American thing, I've never heard an English person use it.





    In the actual series of posts to which you're replying Morris Dancer said he did use it but has stopped using it, so you have at least one English person for your collection.

    Surprises me - pretty sure anyone under 80 would give you a blank stare if you told them to stop being so Scotch.
    Of course, 'welching' on a bet comes from my fellow-countrymen's supposed lack of integrity in such matters.

    But since we don't refer to ourselves as Welch, it doesn't matter much.
    I didn't know that.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765
    > @ydoethur said:
    > > @Luckyguy1983 said:
    >
    > > Scotch was once an insult describing someone who was careful with money. That's why Scotch tape is called that, because ot uses less glue. I think it's mainly an American thing, I've never heard an English person use it.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > In the actual series of posts to which you're replying Morris Dancer said he did use it but has stopped using it, so you have at least one English person for your collection.
    >
    > Surprises me - pretty sure anyone under 80 would give you a blank stare if you told them to stop being so Scotch.
    >
    > Of course, 'welching' on a bet comes from my fellow-countrymen's supposed lack of integrity in such matters.
    >
    > But since we don't refer to ourselves as Welch, it doesn't matter much.

    Up till the 1950's, there used to be a festival in Shrewsbury where people would be reciting "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief..." while throwing effigies of Welsh people wearing leaks onto a bonfire.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,765
    > @ThomasNashe said:
    > > @viewcode said:
    > > > @twistedfirestopper3 said:
    > >
    > > > I've just caught a replay of Blair on Sky News. He looks ill and very, very orange. That evil in his soul is eating him from the inside.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > When you look into his eyes, you know that you're staring into the very heart of the devil.
    > >
    > > That might possibly be a slight exaggeration.
    >
    > Possibly one of Saatchi's less successful campaigns:
    >
    > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Labour,_New_Danger


    They should have added a pair of horns, and had 666 on his forehead.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    On WATO I just heard Heidi Allen call for politics to be made more professional. My son spat a mouthful of tea across the table.

    Speaking of which it’s weird the FBPErs aren’t moaning about how much airtime the CUKs are getting.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    On WATO I just heard Heidi Allen call for politics to be made more professional. My son spat a mouthful of tea across the table.

    Speaking of which it’s weird the FBPErs aren’t moaning about how much airtime the CUKs are getting.
    They'd have to be getting some first.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 24,967
    > @Sean_F said:
    > > @ydoethur said:
    > > > @Luckyguy1983 said:
    > >
    > > > Scotch was once an insult describing someone who was careful with money. That's why Scotch tape is called that, because ot uses less glue. I think it's mainly an American thing, I've never heard an English person use it.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > In the actual series of posts to which you're replying Morris Dancer said he did use it but has stopped using it, so you have at least one English person for your collection.
    > >
    > > Surprises me - pretty sure anyone under 80 would give you a blank stare if you told them to stop being so Scotch.
    > >
    > > Of course, 'welching' on a bet comes from my fellow-countrymen's supposed lack of integrity in such matters.
    > >
    > > But since we don't refer to ourselves as Welch, it doesn't matter much.
    >
    > Up till the 1950's, there used to be a festival in Shrewsbury where people would be reciting "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief..." while throwing effigies of Welsh people wearing leaks onto a bonfire.

    That might have dated back to cattle rustling a thousand years earlier.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    Sean_F said:

    Up till the 1950's, there used to be a festival in Shrewsbury where people would be reciting "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief..." while throwing effigies of Welsh people wearing leaks onto a bonfire.

    D'you mean 'leeks?' Or was this a way of putting the fire out?
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352

    On WATO I just heard Heidi Allen call for politics to be made more professional. My son spat a mouthful of tea across the table.

    Speaking of which it’s weird the FBPErs aren’t moaning about how much airtime the CUKs are getting.
    They'd have to be getting some first.
    Were my eyes deceiving me or was Soubry on QT at the same time as Farage?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758

    That might have dated back to cattle rustling a thousand years earlier.

    Those claims are a load of bull.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,748
    edited May 2019
    > @Sean_F said:
    Up till the 1950's, there used to be a festival in Shrewsbury where people would be reciting "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief..." while throwing effigies of Welsh people wearing leaks onto a bonfire.

    Those leaks wouldn't do the bonfire much good.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    > @Theuniondivvie said:
    > > @Luckyguy1983 said:
    > > Scotch was once an insult describing someone who was careful with money. That's why Scotch tape is called that, because ot uses less glue. I think it's mainly an American thing, I've never heard an English person use it.
    >
    >
    > In the very series of posts to which you're replying Morris Dancer said he did use it but has stopped doing so, so you have at least one English person for your collection.

    I wonder if different countries have these same generic stereotypes.

    I remember once a German friend poking gentle fun at her fellow Schwabian countryfolk.

    The traits she was supposed to have had were exactly the same as were sometimes claimed for people from Scotland.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    > @Sean_F said:
    > > @ydoethur said:
    > > > @Luckyguy1983 said:
    > >
    > > > Scotch was once an insult describing someone who was careful with money. That's why Scotch tape is called that, because ot uses less glue. I think it's mainly an American thing, I've never heard an English person use it.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > In the actual series of posts to which you're replying Morris Dancer said he did use it but has stopped using it, so you have at least one English person for your collection.
    > >
    > > Surprises me - pretty sure anyone under 80 would give you a blank stare if you told them to stop being so Scotch.
    > >
    > > Of course, 'welching' on a bet comes from my fellow-countrymen's supposed lack of integrity in such matters.
    > >
    > > But since we don't refer to ourselves as Welch, it doesn't matter much.
    >
    > Up till the 1950's, there used to be a festival in Shrewsbury where people would be reciting "Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief..." while throwing effigies of Welsh people wearing leaks onto a bonfire.

    Have Welshmen been renowned for thievery over the centuries.. They certainly have stolen several grand slams with forward passes...?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    This may have been posted already - apologies if so

    https://order-order.com/2019/05/12/brexit-party-unveils-election-broadcast/

    A powerful boradcast
  • ah009ah009 Posts: 436
    Hi
    Long-time lurker here. Just finally set up an account to appeal to everyone to tone it down with the invective. I used to enjoy reading the comments under these articles, but it's just bile recently.
    This place used to be a cut above cesspools like Twitter, but not now. Sort yourselves out.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Amongst Change UK there must an awful realization that they’ve missed the boat.

    The name and logo are dire. It’s been one PR disaster after another .
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 3,703
    > @ydoethur said:
    > > @Luckyguy1983 said:
    >
    > > Scotch was once an insult describing someone who was careful with money. That's why Scotch tape is called that, because ot uses less glue. I think it's mainly an American thing, I've never heard an English person use it.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > In the actual series of posts to which you're replying Morris Dancer said he did use it but has stopped using it, so you have at least one English person for your collection.
    >
    > Surprises me - pretty sure anyone under 80 would give you a blank stare if you told them to stop being so Scotch.
    >
    > Of course, 'welching' on a bet comes from my fellow-countrymen's supposed lack of integrity in such matters.
    >
    > But since we don't refer to ourselves as Welch, it doesn't matter much.

    "Icelanding" on a debt would be more appropriate nowadays.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    Floater said:

    This may have been posted already - apologies if so



    https://order-order.com/2019/05/12/brexit-party-unveils-election-broadcast/



    A powerful boradcast

    With no information at all about what they intend to do if they get elected.
  • > @AlastairMeeks said:
    > > @initforthemoney said:
    > > > @AlastairMeeks said:
    > > > > @initforthemoney said:
    > > > > > @AlastairMeeks said:
    > > > > > > @initforthemoney said:
    > > > > > > > @AlastairMeeks said:
    > > > > > > > > @initforthemoney said:
    > > > > > > > > > @AlastairMeeks said:
    > > > > > > > > > Anecdote alert: my mum is very fed up about the EU elections, she told me when she spontaneously brought up the subject yesterday. She’s going to spoil her ballot paper, writing something like Brexit means Brexit on the ballot paper: “lots of people are saying that they’re going to do that”. It had not crossed her mind to vote for the Brexit party: when I asked she told me that she holds Nigel Farage partly responsible for the current mess.
    > > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > > Does she blame you as well?
    > > > > > > >
    > > > > > > > It didn’t come up in the conversation. She’s not shy about telling me where she thinks I go wrong.
    > > > > > >
    > > > > > > Is she aware of your sweeping generalisations regarding leavers or do you soften the tone at home?
    > > > > >
    > > > > > You seem very interested in my family life. Perhaps you’d care to share a bit of information about yourself.
    > > > >
    > > > > you were the one who brought your family life up to make a point. it seems you are reluctant to answer my question because it will lay bare your hypocrisy.
    > > > >
    > > > > i'm left handed.
    > > >
    > > > I told an anecdote. You took that as a cue to pry into my family life and make untrue assertions about me to make an unhinged point. Take your left hand and stick it where the sun doesn’t shine.
    > >
    > > instead of having a tantrum you could simply explain why my sole assertion was wrong if it were wrong.
    >
    > I don’t feel the slightest obligation to explain to anonymous nutjobs my views on matters that are entirely irrelevant to the point I was making.

    Apparently you don't feel the slightest obligation to be consistent in anything but rudeness so you can hardly expect your mostly anonymous audience to be convinced by your rhetoric.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    > @nico67 said:
    > Amongst Change UK there must an awful realization that they’ve missed the boat.
    >
    > The name and logo are dire. It’s been one PR disaster after another .

    They deserve nothing less - thoroughly hypocritical and self serving.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,921
    edited May 2019
    > @ah009 said:
    > Hi
    > Long-time lurker here. Just finally set up an account to appeal to everyone to tone it down with the invective. I used to enjoy reading the comments under these articles, but it's just bile recently.
    > This place used to be a cut above cesspools like Twitter, but not now. Sort yourselves out.

    "This is PB.com, darling. People get away with everything!"
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,748
    > @ah009 said:
    > Hi
    > Long-time lurker here. Just finally set up an account to appeal to everyone to tone it down with the invective. I used to enjoy reading the comments under these articles, but it's just bile recently.
    > This place used to be a cut above cesspools like Twitter, but not now. Sort yourselves out.

    Actually thought it had been fairly mild today, perhaps I've been immersed in the cesspool too long.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    > @Sunil_Prasannan said:
    > > @ah009 said:
    > > Hi
    > > Long-time lurker here. Just finally set up an account to appeal to everyone to tone it down with the invective. I used to enjoy reading the comments under these articles, but it's just bile recently.
    > > This place used to be a cut above cesspools like Twitter, but not now. Sort yourselves out.
    >
    > "This is PB.com, darling. People get away with everything!"

    Including thieving Welshmen?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,921

    On WATO I just heard Heidi Allen call for politics to be made more professional. My son spat a mouthful of tea across the table.

    Speaking of which it’s weird the FBPErs aren’t moaning about how much airtime the CUKs are getting.
    They'd have to be getting some first.
    Were my eyes deceiving me or was Soubry on QT at the same time as Farage?
    She was! Maybe the FBPE crowd still think she's a Tory :)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    > @Sean_F said:
    > > @twistedfirestopper3 said:
    > > I've just caught a replay of Blair on Sky News. He looks ill and very, very orange. That evil in his soul is eating him from the inside.
    >
    > When you look into his eyes, you know that you're staring into the very heart of the devil.

    "a political cadaver laquered in his own wealth"
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,846
    > @ydoethur said:
    > Scotch was once an insult describing someone who was careful with money. That's why Scotch tape is called that, because ot uses less glue. I think it's mainly an American thing, I've never heard an English person use it.
    >
    > Really? I though it was a type of drink.

    Me too. I never realised there was any insult involved beyond ignorance by people unable to diffrrentiate between a drink and a person.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    > @williamglenn said:
    > > @kinabalu said:
    > >
    > > The stars are aligning for 3 people:
    > >
    > > Boris Johnson.
    > > Nigel Farage.
    > > Jeremy Corbyn.
    >
    > Hmm, perhaps a different trio:
    >
    > - Nigel Farage
    > - Nicola Sturgeon
    > - Mary Lou McDonald

    Yes so that's 5 then because I'm keeping BJ and JC.

    I was being a bit Little Englander with the 1st list.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674
    Floater said:

    > @Theuniondivvie said:

    > > @Luckyguy1983 said:

    > > Scotch was once an insult describing someone who was careful with money. That's why Scotch tape is called that, because ot uses less glue. I think it's mainly an American thing, I've never heard an English person use it.

    >

    >

    > In the very series of posts to which you're replying Morris Dancer said he did use it but has stopped doing so, so you have at least one English person for your collection.



    I wonder if different countries have these same generic stereotypes.



    I remember once a German friend poking gentle fun at her fellow Schwabian countryfolk.



    The traits she was supposed to have had were exactly the same as were sometimes claimed for people from Scotland.

    Yes German old joke is what do you get when a schwabian and a scotsman fight over who found a penny .............. a mile of copper wire
  • > @ah009 said:
    > Hi
    > Long-time lurker here. Just finally set up an account to appeal to everyone to tone it down with the invective. I used to enjoy reading the comments under these articles, but it's just bile recently.
    > This place used to be a cut above cesspools like Twitter, but not now. Sort yourselves out.

    Go f$* yourself, you $$%$^%&& bloody &^$%& coming here and "£*&^% like you're a $%$&^.

    Welcome!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674
    ah009 said:

    Hi

    Long-time lurker here. Just finally set up an account to appeal to everyone to tone it down with the invective. I used to enjoy reading the comments under these articles, but it's just bile recently.

    This place used to be a cut above cesspools like Twitter, but not now. Sort yourselves out.

    On your bike turnip head
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 12,880
    ah009 said:

    Hi

    Long-time lurker here. Just finally set up an account to appeal to everyone to tone it down with the invective. I used to enjoy reading the comments under these articles, but it's just bile recently.

    This place used to be a cut above cesspools like Twitter, but not now. Sort yourselves out.

    Throttle back gopniks, ah009 has spoken.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    > @brokenwheel said:
    > On WATO I just heard Heidi Allen call for politics to be made more professional. My son spat a mouthful of tea across the table.
    >
    > Speaking of which it’s weird the FBPErs aren’t moaning about how much airtime the CUKs are getting.

    They're just the same as the libs in the US. All they can think of is having institutions (BBC, FBI) save them. They can't even conceive of waging and winning a political fight
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    malcolmg said:

    ah009 said:

    Hi

    Long-time lurker here. Just finally set up an account to appeal to everyone to tone it down with the invective. I used to enjoy reading the comments under these articles, but it's just bile recently.

    This place used to be a cut above cesspools like Twitter, but not now. Sort yourselves out.

    On your bike turnip head
    Dura_Ace said:

    ah009 said:

    Hi

    Long-time lurker here. Just finally set up an account to appeal to everyone to tone it down with the invective. I used to enjoy reading the comments under these articles, but it's just bile recently.

    This place used to be a cut above cesspools like Twitter, but not now. Sort yourselves out.

    Throttle back gopniks, ah009 has spoken.
    Epic proving of ?his point there!
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    > @nico67 said:
    > Amongst Change UK there must an awful realization that they’ve missed the boat.
    >
    > The name and logo are dire. It’s been one PR disaster after another .

    Wonder how long it'll be before they realise there never was a boat
  • houndtanghoundtang Posts: 450
    > @kinabalu said:
    > > @williamglenn said:
    > > > @kinabalu said:
    > > >
    > > > The stars are aligning for 3 people:
    > > >
    > > > Boris Johnson.
    > > > Nigel Farage.
    > > > Jeremy Corbyn.
    > >
    > > Hmm, perhaps a different trio:
    > >
    > > - Nigel Farage
    > > - Nicola Sturgeon
    > > - Mary Lou McDonald
    >
    > Yes so that's 5 then because I'm keeping BJ and JC.
    >
    > I was being a bit Little Englander with the 1st list.

    The stars are aligning for Boris to lose his seat at the next election
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    Floater said:

    This may have been posted already - apologies if so



    https://order-order.com/2019/05/12/brexit-party-unveils-election-broadcast/



    A powerful boradcast

    With no information at all about what they intend to do if they get elected.
    Some informed guesswork given the age group turning out for them - protect and increase pensions regardless of economic circumstances. Fuck the rest.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    matt said:

    Floater said:

    This may have been posted already - apologies if so



    https://order-order.com/2019/05/12/brexit-party-unveils-election-broadcast/



    A powerful boradcast

    With no information at all about what they intend to do if they get elected.
    Some informed guesswork given the age group turning out for them - protect and increase pensions regardless of economic circumstances. Fuck the rest.
    Believable.
  • ah009ah009 Posts: 436
    > Epic proving of ?his point there!

    Hard to tell whether tongues were firmly in cheeks, but yeah, I expected just as much.

    I'll go back to lurking.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,401
    > @ah009 said:
    > > Epic proving of ?his point there!
    >
    > Hard to tell whether tongues were firmly in cheeks, but yeah, I expected just as much.
    >
    > I'll go back to lurking.
    >
    >

    Please don't. The more opinions we have the better.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    ah009 said:

    > Epic proving of ?his point there!



    Hard to tell whether tongues were firmly in cheeks, but yeah, I expected just as much.



    I'll go back to lurking.

    With Malcolm, probably yes.

    With Dura Ace I'm never quite sure.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    > @ah009 said:
    > Hi
    > Long-time lurker here. Just finally set up an account to appeal to everyone to tone it down with the invective. I used to enjoy reading the comments under these articles, but it's just bile recently.
    > This place used to be a cut above cesspools like Twitter, but not now. Sort yourselves out.

    *

    Yes, I can only apologize on behalf of everyone else. I do try to keep the tone where it ought to be - VERY CLASSY - but it's futile at times.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    > @matt said:
    > This may have been posted already - apologies if so
    >
    >
    >
    > https://order-order.com/2019/05/12/brexit-party-unveils-election-broadcast/
    >
    >
    >
    > A powerful boradcast
    >
    > With no information at all about what they intend to do if they get elected.
    >
    > Some informed guesswork given the age group turning out for them - protect and increase pensions regardless of economic circumstances. Fuck the rest.

    Same as the Tories and Labour then ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,758
    kinabalu said:

    Yes, I can only apologize on behalf of everyone else. I do try to keep the tone where it ought to be - VERY CLASSY - but it's futile at times.

    My puns are always very classy.

    Can't answer for the rest!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,232
    edited May 2019
    ah009 said:

    Hard to tell whether tongues were firmly in cheeks, but yeah, I expected just as much. I'll go back to lurking.

    Don't leave just because of our[1] ill-founded and insulting words. We need other people to generate all-new ill-founded and insulting words, otherwise the Earth ends.[2]... :)

    [1] Except for me. I'm perfect. Obvs.
    [2] Go on, prove otherwise... :)
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    > @Stereotomy said:
    > > @nico67 said:
    > > Amongst Change UK there must an awful realization that they’ve missed the boat.
    > >
    > > The name and logo are dire. It’s been one PR disaster after another .
    >
    > Wonder how long it'll be before they realise there never was a boat

    Bizarely Change didn’t decide to at least have their moment in the sun . A straight to the point pro EU party name at least would have got them their 15 minutes of fame and if by some miracle the UK stayed in they perhaps could have modified that .

    As it is it all looks rather tragic and forlorn , like turning upto a party after everyone’s gone home , nothing left but empty bottles and the odd patch of vomit !

    I do like some members of Change , but the Lib Dems will be getting my vote , I’m done with Labour until they get off the fence .
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