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SystemSystem Posts: 6,666
edited May 12 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The biggest barrier to a Tory Leaver succeeding Mrs May might well be other Tory Leavers

Quite the story in today's Sunday Times. Steve Baker is 200/1 with BetFred and 150/1 with Ladbrokes, PaddyPower, and SkyBet to succeed Mrs May as next PM. I've decided to back him.

Read the full story here


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  • felixfelix Posts: 8,602
    Would truly be the end of days for the current party were he to be the next leader.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 13,726
    Has Baker revealed what he would do as leader ?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 27,942
    > @another_richard said:
    > Has Baker revealed what he would do as leader ?

    Revert to his original beliefs and advocate joining the Euro.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 13,726
    > @williamglenn said:
    > > @another_richard said:
    > > Has Baker revealed what he would do as leader ?
    >
    > Revert to his original beliefs and advocate joining the Euro.

    Considering he's doing everything he can to stop Brexit I wouldn't be surprised.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 11,066
    Carousel

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,171
    Damn, just when the punning contest on the other thread was getting interesting.

    Still, neither you nor I'm to blame when all is said and done.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 24,657
    How many candidates are already declared or openly considering a bid? Even Larry the cat seems to be weighing his chances.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 7,948
    He won't get any votes. Next.
  • A lot of these Brexiteers are just trying to raise their profiles to get jobs in government when there’s a Brexiteer leader. The ERG will want to ensure a Brexiteer gets to the last 2 candidates so I’m sure they’ll have their own meeting to agree a list of candidates.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 2,149
    I wouldn't be surprised if there was a big name knocked out early due to their run-off voting system, but I don't see how it can end with 2 remainer candidates. Let's say there are 3 candidates left, 2 remainers and a leaver - how does the leaver not get through?

    Of course we say 'Leaver'. I really think we should start thinking of the camps as 'Remainers', 'Dealers', 'No Dealers' given how the latter two sets don't vote together either. Could we end without a No Dealer in the members ballot? Maybe.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 11,066
    Blue Moon

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 51,575
    edited May 12
    Another crazy day for the Tories.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 25,953
    edited May 12
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > Another crazy day for the Tories.

    I have a funny feeling they're going to do badly at the Euro elections as expected and then win the Peterborough by-election which means it'll be difficult to assess how they're doing overall.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,171
    Pulpstar said:

    Another crazy day for the Tories.

    At this moment, crazy is the new normal.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 51,575
    > @AndyJS said:
    > > @Pulpstar said:
    > > Another crazy day for the Tories.
    >
    > I have a funny feeling they're going to do badly at the Euro elections as expected and then win the Peterborough by-election which means it'll be difficult to assess how they're doing overall.

    They're 20-1 in Peterborough ! Taken £2 of that, good price but market reckons they'll be third.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 51,575
    > @Roger said:
    > Blue Moon
    >
    >

    Got your Man City top on today Rog ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,171
    Unusual day today. Solar appears to be supplying about a quarter of all our power:

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk

    More than nuclear or wind.

    Does mean at sunset they're going to have crank up the gas and possibly coal though.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 243
    > @AndyJS said:
    > > @Pulpstar said:
    > > Another crazy day for the Tories.
    >
    > I have a funny feeling they're going to do badly at the Euro elections as expected and then win the Peterborough by-election which means it'll be difficult to assess how they're doing overall. <

    +++

    No way they win Peterborough. They'll come third.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,078

    He won't get any votes. Next.

    Not even his own?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,078

    He won't get any votes. Next.

    Not even his own?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 2,426
    edited May 12
    > @ydoethur said:
    > Damn, just when the punning contest on the other thread was getting interesting.
    >
    > Still, neither you nor I'm to blame when all is said and done.

    Yes, sorry, Abba, I was too late with mine -

    In Scandinavia in high summer the sun can stay out for almost 24 hours.

    Meaning that you can get a tan after midnight.

    :smile:
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,171
    kinabalu said:

    > @ydoethur said:

    > Damn, just when the punning contest on the other thread was getting interesting.
    > Still, neither you nor I'm to blame when all is said and done.
    Yes, sorry, I was too late with mine -
    In Scandinavia in high summer the sun can stay out for almost 24 hours.
    Meaning that you can get a tan after midnight.
    :smile:

    Thank you for the musing.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 2,620
    > @Gardenwalker said:
    > Britain, 2019
    >
    >

    No, my dear old Cymruphobic and Remainery bigot, it is England as it ever was.

    Welsh spoken, get out of my shop, get out of my pub, get out of my bingo hall get out of my travel agent,

    https://tinyurl.com/y66c36go

    https://tinyurl.com/y6e96pe7

    https://tinyurl.com/y4zh3cxj

    https://tinyurl.com/y65j42u7

    There are many more more examples of the "Welsh in their dunghills" (your charming phrase) being told not to speak Welsh.

    The only difference between these and your example is that the Welsh speakers were (mostly) in Wales.

    For a proper analogy, the Swedish speakers should actually have been harassed for speaking Swedish in Sweden.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 8,240
    > @ydoethur said:
    > Unusual day today. Solar appears to be supplying about a quarter of all our power:
    >
    > https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk
    >
    > More than nuclear or wind.
    >
    > Does mean at sunset they're going to have crank up the gas and possibly coal though.

    Solar is not a good option for the UK. Generation is countercyclical with demand. Better to invest in despatchable low carbon energy that is actually available at 5pm in January.

    Every MW of solar capacity has to be duplicated with a MW of something to switch to when the sun ain't shining.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 2,426
    > @AndyJS said:
    > > @Pulpstar said:
    > > Another crazy day for the Tories.
    >
    > I have a funny feeling they're going to do badly at the Euro elections as expected and then win the Peterborough by-election which means it'll be difficult to assess how they're doing overall.

    BP win Peterborough I think. Posh goes Tosh.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 14,383
    At this point it would probably be easier to compile a list of who ISN'T running in the Tory leadership contest!! :D
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,171

    Solar is not a good option for the UK. Generation is countercyclical with demand. Better to invest in despatchable low carbon energy that is actually available at 5pm in January.
    Every MW of solar capacity has to be duplicated with a MW of something to switch to when the sun ain't shining.

    Likewise wind, unless we stand Boris under the turbines.

    That's why we should have gone with tidal and May is a muppet for failing to do so.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,171
    edited May 12
    GIN1138 said:

    At this point it would probably be easier to compile a list of who ISN'T running in the Tory leadership contest!! :D

    I'm not. I'm not a member and I'm too sane, honest and intelligent.

    Jeremy Corbyn isn't. He's not a member.

    Nigel Farage isn't. He's a colossal member, but that's not enough.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 24,657
    Nigel Farage last backed for next Prime Minister at 20 on Betfair. I’d suggest laying but I am pretty sure that price is going to shorten further quite a bit in the coming weeks.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 2,426
    > @ydoethur said:
    > > @ydoethur said:
    >
    > > Damn, just when the punning contest on the other thread was getting interesting.
    > > Still, neither you nor I'm to blame when all is said and done.
    > Yes, sorry, I was too late with mine -
    > In Scandinavia in high summer the sun can stay out for almost 24 hours.
    > Meaning that you can get a tan after midnight.
    > :smile:
    >
    > Thank you for the musing.

    You da Man. That was my best and only. I've gone. Can't even try to go on.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,171
    kinabalu said:

    > @ydoethur> Thank you for the musing.
    You da Man. That was my best and only. I've gone. Can't even try to go on.

    So raise your glass, one more toast, and then we'll pay the bill.
  • taktak Posts: 2
    LEAVE MEANS STEVE
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,171
    tak said:

    LEAVE MEANS STEVE

    Baker will cook up some Brexit?

    If not he's toast...
  • isamisam Posts: 26,538
    edited May 12

    Nigel Farage last backed for next Prime Minister at 20 on Betfair. I’d suggest laying but I am pretty sure that price is going to shorten further quite a bit in the coming weeks.

    Why lay that when you can lay "any other" apart from Con, Lab or LD to get most seats at 14?

    If we rule out ChUK getting most seats, the only way it is worse is if TBP get most and Farage isnt PM

    EDIT Although I guess the next PM may well be in place before the next GE, my bad
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 14,383
    edited May 12
    > @tak said:
    > LEAVE MEANS STEVE

    Hi Steve, welcome to PB. Good luck with the campaign. :D
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 14,781
    > @ydoethur said:
    > Solar is not a good option for the UK. Generation is countercyclical with demand. Better to invest in despatchable low carbon energy that is actually available at 5pm in January.
    > Every MW of solar capacity has to be duplicated with a MW of something to switch to when the sun ain't shining.
    >
    > Likewise wind, unless we stand Boris under the turbines.
    >
    > That's why we should have gone with tidal and May is a muppet for failing to do so.
    Wasn't there something seriously amiss financially with the Swansea Bay project?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,171

    > @ydoethur said:

    > Solar is not a good option for the UK. Generation is countercyclical with demand. Better to invest in despatchable low carbon energy that is actually available at 5pm in January.

    > Every MW of solar capacity has to be duplicated with a MW of something to switch to when the sun ain't shining.

    >

    > Likewise wind, unless we stand Boris under the turbines.

    >

    > That's why we should have gone with tidal and May is a muppet for failing to do so.

    Wasn't there something seriously amiss financially with the Swansea Bay project?

    As I recall it was very slightly cheaper than the nuclear disaster, oops, power station she OKed.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 2,208
    edited May 12
    GIN1138 said:

    > @tak said:
    > LEAVE MEANS STEVE

    Hi Steve, welcome to PB. Good luck with the campaign. :D

    I believe the original Spartan exhortation is “Come back with your shield - or on it”.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 7,137
    > @SandyRentool said:
    > > @ydoethur said:
    > > Unusual day today. Solar appears to be supplying about a quarter of all our power:
    > >
    > > https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk
    > >
    > > More than nuclear or wind.
    > >
    > > Does mean at sunset they're going to have crank up the gas and possibly coal though.
    >
    > Solar is not a good option for the UK. Generation is countercyclical with demand. Better to invest in despatchable low carbon energy that is actually available at 5pm in January.
    >
    > Every MW of solar capacity has to be duplicated with a MW of something to switch to when the sun ain't shining.

    Only until storage options improve. Some fairly large-scale batteries have been put in place and there are a variety of other methods being developed. Then excess solar can be timeshifted to satisfy evening peak demand.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 14,781
    > @ydoethur said:
    > > @ydoethur said:
    >
    > > Solar is not a good option for the UK. Generation is countercyclical with demand. Better to invest in despatchable low carbon energy that is actually available at 5pm in January.
    >
    > > Every MW of solar capacity has to be duplicated with a MW of something to switch to when the sun ain't shining.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > Likewise wind, unless we stand Boris under the turbines.
    >
    > >
    >
    > > That's why we should have gone with tidal and May is a muppet for failing to do so.
    >
    > Wasn't there something seriously amiss financially with the Swansea Bay project?
    >
    > As I recall it was very slightly cheaper than the nuclear disaster, oops, power station she OKed.

    And, IIRC, it was (nods to previous thread) largely British in funding and in technology.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,171

    And, IIRC, it was (nods to previous thread) largely British in funding and in technology.

    Also, given two out of three green-lighted nuclear plants have now gone, would have been much more likely to plug the huge holes we're facing.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 24,657
    > @isam said:
    > Nigel Farage last backed for next Prime Minister at 20 on Betfair. I’d suggest laying but I am pretty sure that price is going to shorten further quite a bit in the coming weeks.
    >
    > Why lay that when you can lay "any other" apart from Con, Lab or LD to get most seats at 14?
    >
    > If we rule out ChUK getting most seats, the only way it is worse is if TBP get most and Farage isnt PM
    >
    > EDIT Although I guess the next PM may well be in place before the next GE, my bad

    Both are clear lays in my view but for the reason you gave in your edit, laying Nigel Farage for next Prime Minister is much more clearcut. It’s at best a 100/1 shot in my opinion.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 21,847

    > @isam said:

    > Nigel Farage last backed for next Prime Minister at 20 on Betfair. I’d suggest laying but I am pretty sure that price is going to shorten further quite a bit in the coming weeks.

    >

    > Why lay that when you can lay "any other" apart from Con, Lab or LD to get most seats at 14?

    >

    > If we rule out ChUK getting most seats, the only way it is worse is if TBP get most and Farage isnt PM

    >

    > EDIT Although I guess the next PM may well be in place before the next GE, my bad



    Both are clear lays in my view but for the reason you gave in your edit, laying Nigel Farage for next Prime Minister is much more clearcut. It’s at best a 100/1 shot in my opinion.

    He’s not even an MP, so we’d need an election (or perhaps a by-election) first.

    Someone should put up a next-but-one PM market.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 24,657
    I currently count 23 declared, considering or possible leadership candidates to replace Theresa May. These do not include the likes of Geoffrey Cox, Jacob Rees-Mogg or Philip Hammond who have shown no public interest in the role even though they have had their proponents.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 6,942
    edited May 12
    Brian Walden has died at 86. He supported Brexit - though had been an Anti- Marketeer even back in the 1960s.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 27,942
    > @Sandpit said:
    >
    > Someone should put up a next-but-one PM market.

    Or a how many more PMs will the UK have before it breaks up market?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 21,587
    Sad news on Walden

    Boy, do we need someone like him around now.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 21,587
    The # of Tory leadership wannabes is ridiculous.

    It just shows how many talentless people who believe utterly in themselves and have no inkling of their true abilities are in frontline politics these days.

    What a joke.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 24,657
    > @rottenborough said:
    > The # of Tory leadership wannabes is ridiculous.
    >
    > It just shows how many talentless people who believe utterly in themselves and have no inkling of their true abilities are in frontline politics these days.
    >
    > What a joke.

    I may have missed some.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,078
    ydoethur said:

    Solar is not a good option for the UK. Generation is countercyclical with demand. Better to invest in despatchable low carbon energy that is actually available at 5pm in January.
    Every MW of solar capacity has to be duplicated with a MW of something to switch to when the sun ain't shining.

    Likewise wind, unless we stand Boris under the turbines.

    That's why we should have gone with tidal and May is a muppet for failing to do so.
    Except the most reliable sources of tidal energy are in Scotland and apparently the union can not be guaranteed
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 21,587
    > @ydoethur said:
    > And, IIRC, it was (nods to previous thread) largely British in funding and in technology.
    >
    > Also, given two out of three green-lighted nuclear plants have now gone, would have been much more likely to plug the huge holes we're facing.

    What a triumph May's administration has been.

    Future generations will marvel.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 51,575
    > @williamglenn said:
    > > @Sandpit said:
    > >
    > > Someone should put up a next-but-one PM market.
    >
    > Or a how many more PMs will the UK have before it breaks up market?

    Boris followed by Corbyn then Farage
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,078
    ydoethur said:

    And, IIRC, it was (nods to previous thread) largely British in funding and in technology.

    Also, given two out of three green-lighted nuclear plants have now gone, would have been much more likely to plug the huge holes we're facing.
    Support for Swansea rises and falls
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 8,240
    > @Charles said:
    > Solar is not a good option for the UK. Generation is countercyclical with demand. Better to invest in despatchable low carbon energy that is actually available at 5pm in January.
    > Every MW of solar capacity has to be duplicated with a MW of something to switch to when the sun ain't shining.
    >
    > Likewise wind, unless we stand Boris under the turbines.
    >
    > That's why we should have gone with tidal and May is a muppet for failing to do so.
    >
    > Except the most reliable sources of tidal energy are in Scotland and apparently the union can not be guaranteed

    England imports gas from Qatar and Russia. Scottish leccy should be no less acceptable.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 21,587
    Is Chris Rea, joint at #18 on the donation list, the singer Chris Rea?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 13,657
    justin124 said:

    Brian Walden has died at 86. He supported Brexit - though had been an Anti- Marketeer even back in the 1960s.

    A bloody good interviewer. And apparently made a very fine speech in Parliament against capital punishment.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 8,240
    > @rottenborough said:
    > Is Chris Rea, joint at #18 on the donation list, the singer Chris Rea?

    Either way, the Tories are on the road to hell.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,078
    What’s most interesting about that list is that a relatively* small amount puts you in the top 20.

    * eg vs the US
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 6,942
    > @Cyclefree said:
    > Brian Walden has died at 86. He supported Brexit - though had been an Anti- Marketeer even back in the 1960s.
    >
    > A bloody good interviewer. And apparently made a very fine speech in Parliament against capital punishment.

    He was a great House of Commons orator - the Chamber filled up when he was about to speak.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,228
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    F1: modest profit for the race, which is quite nice.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 21,847

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    F1: modest profit for the race, which is quite nice.

    Well done. Not a bad race in the end, despite threatening to be very boring at one point.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 2,354
    Morris and Sandpit: no spoilers please!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,078

    > @Charles said:

    > Solar is not a good option for the UK. Generation is countercyclical with demand. Better to invest in despatchable low carbon energy that is actually available at 5pm in January.

    > Every MW of solar capacity has to be duplicated with a MW of something to switch to when the sun ain't shining.

    >

    > Likewise wind, unless we stand Boris under the turbines.

    >

    > That's why we should have gone with tidal and May is a muppet for failing to do so.

    >

    > Except the most reliable sources of tidal energy are in Scotland and apparently the union can not be guaranteed



    England imports gas from Qatar and Russia. Scottish leccy should be no less acceptable.

    We shouldn’t be dependent on any single type or source of energy. It creates a strategic vulnerability
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,228
    edited May 12
    Mr. Sandpit, slightly unfortunate that the start saw two of my bets become very improbable, although it did help the other two. Mildly annoyed I didn't back something, spoiler deleted. But then, predicting race results after the race has occurred isn't terribly difficult.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 27,942
    > @rottenborough said:
    >

    Did the donation from Chris Rea come with a stipulation that the Tories had to follow the road to hell?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 27,942
    > @Charles said:
    >
    > We shouldn’t be dependent on any single type or source of energy. It creates a strategic vulnerability

    If the sun stops shining, we'll have other things to worry about than electricity.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,228
    Mr. W, sorry, amended a minor spoiler above.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,078

    > @Charles said:

    >

    > We shouldn’t be dependent on any single type or source of energy. It creates a strategic vulnerability



    If the sun stops shining, we'll have other things to worry about than electricity.

    Yes. But what happens if China stops the export of the rare earths required to repair solar panels?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,171
    justin124 said:

    Brian Walden has died at 86. He supported Brexit - though had been an Anti- Marketeer even back in the 1960s.

    That is a surreal post.

    People really are losing all sense of perspective right now.
  • isamisam Posts: 26,538
    edited May 12
    justin124 said:

    Brian Walden has died at 86. He supported Brexit - though had been an Anti- Marketeer even back in the 1960s.

    Can we have 1:34 of no posting while we listen in silence to this please?



    Used to be on the tv when I came back from playing football as a kid
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,171
    edited May 12
    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Solar is not a good option for the UK. Generation is countercyclical with demand. Better to invest in despatchable low carbon energy that is actually available at 5pm in January.
    Every MW of solar capacity has to be duplicated with a MW of something to switch to when the sun ain't shining.

    Likewise wind, unless we stand Boris under the turbines.

    That's why we should have gone with tidal and May is a muppet for failing to do so.
    Except the most reliable sources of tidal energy are in Scotland and apparently the union can not be guaranteed
    I would be very surprised if even Scotland's famous tidal races are a greater potential source of power than the Bristol Channel/Severn Estuary, properly harnessed.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 27,942
    > @Charles said:
    >
    > Except the most reliable sources of tidal energy are in Scotland and apparently the union can not be guaranteed

    We're gonna need a bigger union.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 7,137
    edited May 12
    > @Charles said:
    >
    > We shouldn’t be dependent on any single type or source of energy. It creates a strategic vulnerability

    We could do wind : solar : tidal : nuclear in a ratio something like 4 : 2 : 1 : 1 for the year, but varying with the seasons with the greater wind in winter helping to cover winter heating and storage to match up peaks in supply with peaks in demand.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,228
    Church burnt down and Christians shot:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-48246715
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,078
    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Solar is not a good option for the UK. Generation is countercyclical with demand. Better to invest in despatchable low carbon energy that is actually available at 5pm in January.
    Every MW of solar capacity has to be duplicated with a MW of something to switch to when the sun ain't shining.

    Likewise wind, unless we stand Boris under the turbines.

    That's why we should have gone with tidal and May is a muppet for failing to do so.
    Except the most reliable sources of tidal energy are in Scotland and apparently the union can not be guaranteed
    I would be very surprised if even Scotland's famous tidal races are a greater potential source of power than the Bristol Channel/Severn Estuary, properly harnessed.
    Although the Severn Estuary tidal scheme is not without environmental implications
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 21,847
    edited May 12
    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Solar is not a good option for the UK. Generation is countercyclical with demand. Better to invest in despatchable low carbon energy that is actually available at 5pm in January.
    Every MW of solar capacity has to be duplicated with a MW of something to switch to when the sun ain't shining.

    Likewise wind, unless we stand Boris under the turbines.

    That's why we should have gone with tidal and May is a muppet for failing to do so.
    Except the most reliable sources of tidal energy are in Scotland and apparently the union can not be guaranteed
    I would be very surprised if even Scotland's famous tidal races are a greater potential source of power than the Bristol Channel/Severn Estuary, properly harnessed.
    Although the Severn Estuary tidal scheme is not without environmental implications
    The surfers won’t be happy if they lose the ‘bore’.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,078

    > @Charles said:

    >

    > We shouldn’t be dependent on any single type or source of energy. It creates a strategic vulnerability



    We could do wind : solar : tidal : nuclear in a ratio something like 4 : 2 : 1 : 1 for the year, but varying with the seasons with the greater wind in winter helping to cover winter heating and storage to match up peaks in supply with peaks in demand.

    You’d have thought a mixed source strategy would be classed under “blindingly obvious” but apparently not
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,078

    > @Charles said:

    >

    > Except the most reliable sources of tidal energy are in Scotland and apparently the union can not be guaranteed



    We're gonna need a bigger union.

    Warning everyone: we have a dull obsessive on the site
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,171
    Sandpit said:

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Solar is not a good option for the UK. Generation is countercyclical with demand. Better to invest in despatchable low carbon energy that is actually available at 5pm in January.
    Every MW of solar capacity has to be duplicated with a MW of something to switch to when the sun ain't shining.

    Likewise wind, unless we stand Boris under the turbines.

    That's why we should have gone with tidal and May is a muppet for failing to do so.
    Except the most reliable sources of tidal energy are in Scotland and apparently the union can not be guaranteed
    I would be very surprised if even Scotland's famous tidal races are a greater potential source of power than the Bristol Channel/Severn Estuary, properly harnessed.
    Although the Severn Estuary tidal scheme is not without environmental implications
    The surfers won’t be happy if they lose the ‘bore’.
    There are ways of harnessing the tidal race that wouldn't cost them the bore.

    Failing all else, we could send David Drew along. Man can bore for England.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 7,586
    The UK left 2019

    http://hurryupharry.org/2019/05/11/antisemitism-in-the-heart-of-london/

    You Labour moderates proud to support this crap?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 7,586
    > @Morris_Dancer said:
    > Church burnt down and Christians shot:
    > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-48246715

    Unfortunately part of an ongoing series of actions
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 27,942
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    > Warning everyone: we have a dull obsessive on the site

    "I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." - Mrs T
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 7,586
    > @williamglenn said:
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    > Did the donation from Chris Rea come with a stipulation that the Tories had to follow the road to hell?

    They certainly seem to have taken that to heart.....
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 7,586
    > @williamglenn said:
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    oh the irony.....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,171
    It would be possible to say without fear of exaggeration that Notts were having the worst cricket match this afternoon - were not I also able to see what was happening to Hampshire.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 1,581
    Charles said:

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    > Except the most reliable sources of tidal energy are in Scotland and apparently the union can not be guaranteed



    We're gonna need a bigger union.

    Warning everyone: we have a dull obsessive on the site
    You mean some of us aren’t?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 2,426
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > > @williamglenn said:
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    > > > Someone should put up a next-but-one PM market.
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    > > Or a how many more PMs will the UK have before it breaks up market?
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    > Boris followed by Corbyn then Farage

    Yes, I can see that. And what a sequence!

    We'll be like a cat in a spin dryer.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 18,171

    Charles said:

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    > Except the most reliable sources of tidal energy are in Scotland and apparently the union can not be guaranteed



    We're gonna need a bigger union.

    Warning everyone: we have a dull obsessive on the site
    You mean some of us aren’t?
    You and I share an obsession with Graham Kendrick perhaps.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,228
    F1: spoilers abound within the post-race analysis:

    https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2019/05/spain-post-race-analysis-2019.html
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,078

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    > Warning everyone: we have a dull obsessive on the site



    "I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left." - Mrs T

    It wasn’t an attack - a statement of fact.

    We had the potential for an interesting discussion about energy strategy. You sidelined it into another boring discussion about Brexit. You and I disagree.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 13,657

    Church burnt down and Christians shot:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-48246715

    FPT (in relation to Asia Bibi):-

    More than an apology is needed. Real action to help those being persecuted in countries where we can and do have influence is needed. We could, for instance, offer asylum to persecuted Syrian Christians. To date I believe we have offered asylum to precisely zero such people.

    It is quite shameful.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 2,426
    > @justin124 said:
    > Brian Walden has died at 86. He supported Brexit - though had been an Anti- Marketeer even back in the 1960s.

    He was great on Weekend World. Used to love that prog. When all the other kids were out playing in the woods I'd be inside glued to that, watching Walden interview some prominent politician for a full hour in tremendous depth. My pals would try and get me to come out but I would always refuse if WW was on. After a while they got the message and stopped coming round. Happy days. RIP Brian.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 29,880
    Man City champions despite Liverpool winning...
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,078
    Cyclefree said:

    Church burnt down and Christians shot:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-48246715

    FPT (in relation to Asia Bibi):-

    More than an apology is needed. Real action to help those being persecuted in countries where we can and do have influence is needed. We could, for instance, offer asylum to persecuted Syrian Christians. To date I believe we have offered asylum to precisely zero such people.

    It is quite shameful.
    I believe they were prioritised for support in the camps
  • I say this as bloke who has fallen out of love with football....What a season for Liverpool, 97 points, only one defeat and 25 points clear of the team below them and still come runners up. A hell of an effort.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 13,657
    Anyway, off topic: the weather today has been glorious. I have been in my garden enjoying the roses, the smell of honey from my euphorbia mellifera, bees buzzing and birds singing. My dog, after a lovely long walk, is snoozing next to me. The washing is drying - for free. All is peaceful and calm.

    If only every day were like this.

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    > It wasn’t an attack - a statement of fact.
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    > We had the potential for an interesting discussion about energy strategy. You sidelined it into another boring discussion about Brexit. You and I disagree.

    It’s not my fault European integration is relevant to the subject at hand.
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