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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    First
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    TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,662
    Thanks Sunil; a really useful resource for Sunday night.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    edited May 2019
    Ah, “Undefined discussion subject.” My favourite. :D

    Edit: Thanks, Sunil :)
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    Why was 1999 so low?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    edited May 2019
    Thanks Sunil! :)

    Don't think I've voted in an EU election since 1999 (I might have voted in 2009 but can't really remember. Definitely sat out 2004 and 2014)

    I won't be sitting out 2019 though! :D
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited May 2019
    Is it this a safe space or might I get milkshaked?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
    > Why was 1999 so low?

    Wasn't the entire election by post?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    > @FrancisUrquhart said:
    > Is it this a safe space or might I get milkshaked?

    Do you deserve to be milkshaked? :D
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
    > Why was 1999 so low?

    Peak "I'll vote for Tony at the GE but can't be arsed at any other point" Labour vote I think.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    GIN1138 said:

    Thanks Sunil! :)



    Don't think I've voted in an EU election since 1999 (I might have voted in 2009 but can't really remember. Definitely sat out 2004 and 2014)



    I won't be sitting out 2019 though! :D

    Let me guess, Change UK? :)
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,964
    FPT: Mr. Anazina, it's almost as if one's a nickname and one's just pejorative.

    *sighs*

    You keep bleating on about that. As for 'pearl clutching', I was quite content to immediately refrain from using a term I'd rarely heard used but was informed by someone here was offensive to Scots. I didn't accuse him of pearl clutching or whatever nonsense people without an argument claim to try and invalidate someone's perspective.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    TudorRose said:

    Thanks Sunil; a really useful resource for Sunday night.

    Thanks for reminding me that we have to wait three days because the people on the continent can’t do elections properly.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,964
    On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.

    Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,274
    edited May 2019
    > @GIN1138 said:
    > > @FrancisUrquhart said:
    > > Is it this a safe space or might I get milkshaked?
    >
    > Do you deserve to be milkshaked? :D

    Well I did say that I didn't think Carl Benjamin's YouTube channel should have been demonetized, so that makes me alt-right adjacent in some people's eyes and therefore probably fair game these days.....
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,964
    Mr. Urquhart, if wrongthink is tolerated, there'll only be more of it.
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    MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    > @Morris_Dancer said:
    > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.
    >
    > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.

    You could write a chapter from one of your books on the ballot paper given how big they are.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
    > > Why was 1999 so low?
    >
    > Peak "I'll vote for Tony at the GE but can't be arsed at any other point" Labour vote I think.

    No locals on the same day didn't help.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,200
    Thanks, guys, I didn't vote in '99 either! I can't remember why - think it was because I wasn't really aware of them, or I might have been busy with my Post-Grad studies (at Imperial).
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,200
    > @GIN1138 said:
    > > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
    > > Why was 1999 so low?
    >
    > Wasn't the entire election by post?

    Four regions only, in the North and Midlands.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280

    Is it this a safe space or might I get milkshaked?

    I’d be more worried about being hit by a pizza with pineapple on it.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,964
    Mr. 86, I might write one of my many marvellous jests.

    "Vote for this lot? It's about as tempting a prospect as a handjob from Edward Scissorhands."
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280

    Why was 1999 so low?


    Was the last time the Euros didn’t coincide with the locals.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.

    Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.

    Write "BREXIT" with the X in the Conservative box. It will give the agent something to do.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280

    On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.

    Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.

    If you really want to show your disapproval at one party put an X next to them on the ballot paper.

    Everyone knows x is short for x rated language, so everyone knows which party you really dislike.
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    _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810

    On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.

    Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.

    Write "BREXIT" with the X in the Conservative box. It will give the agent something to do.
    Yes, mark a vote for the Tories. How convenient.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    > @Morris_Dancer said:
    > Mr. 86, I might write one of my many marvellous jests.
    >
    > "Vote for this lot? It's about as tempting a prospect as a handjob from Edward Scissorhands."

    Remember, you can be identified.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    _Anazina_ said:

    On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.

    Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.

    Write "BREXIT" with the X in the Conservative box. It will give the agent something to do.
    Yes, mark a vote for the Tories. How convenient.
    Hmm, I wonder why Tissue_Price would advocate (in a rather cheeky manner) voting Tory?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    edited May 2019
    > @TheScreamingEagles said:
    > Is it this a safe space or might I get milkshaked?
    >
    > I’d be more worried about being hit by a pizza with pineapple on it.

    Did you see in the last thread that not only is Mark Reckless a traitorous pig dog, he is also a poll embargo breaker... ;)
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,336
    > @Tissue_Price said:
    > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.
    >
    > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.
    >
    > Write "BREXIT" with the X in the Conservative box. It will give the agent something to do.

    But spell it BREKSIT, just to mess with them.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    tlg86 said:

    > @Morris_Dancer said:

    > Mr. 86, I might write one of my many marvellous jests.

    >

    > "Vote for this lot? It's about as tempting a prospect as a handjob from Edward Scissorhands."



    Remember, you can be identified.

    After receiving that from Mr Scissorhands? I’m not surprised.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,288
    edited May 2019
    > @Morris_Dancer said:
    > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.
    >
    > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.

    One trusts it will be spoiled in some style, Morris. May I suggest the following inscription:

    "Non amo te, Mrs May, nec possum dicere quare.
    Hoc tantum possum dicere: non amo te."
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    edited May 2019

    On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.

    Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.

    If you really want to show your disapproval at one party put an X next to them on the ballot paper.

    Everyone knows x is short for x rated language, so everyone knows which party you really dislike.
    Write "People's vote" in the Brexit party box ?
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    > @Tissue_Price said:
    > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.
    >
    > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.
    >
    > Write "BREXIT" with the X in the Conservative box. It will give the agent something to do.

    How do agents work for the Euros? Is one appointed in every LA area to be present at that count?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,011
    > @Pulpstar said:
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    > Write "People's vote" in the Brexit party box ?

    Draw a picture of a milkshake in the box.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,336
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,578
    > @RobD said:

    > Hmm, I wonder why Tissue_Price would advocate (in a rather cheeky manner) voting Tory?

    I thought members of the Conservative Party advocating voting Brexit Party or LibDem these days. To find one urging people to vote Conservative is something of a novelty.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,152
    https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1130479165323599873

    Can't see HS2 surviving much longer.
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,883
    > @MikeSmithson said:
    > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.

    One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    More good polling news for those who laid the oldies :

    2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination FOX News Biden 35, Sanders 17, Warren 9, Harris 5, Buttigieg 6, O'Rourke 4, Booker 3, Castro 2, Klobuchar 2, Gabbard 1, Yang 1, Gillibrand 0, Ryan 1, Bennet 0
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    edited May 2019
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    This is an interesting and proportionate polling-based approach to the Danny Baker firing: https://unherd.com/2019/05/the-trial-of-danny-baker/
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,964
    Mr. 86, good point.

    I should wear a burka.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    I'll also reiterate Berry @ 100-1 and Benita @ 33-1 are well worth taking cover on for the mayoral election in London with Labour's bubble somewhat bursting there.

    The big misprice is Shaun Bailey who at 11-2 or whatever looks way too short - Khan still fairly priced at 1.3 or so.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,152
    RobD said:
    This election is now a EU referendum vote, where there is one Brexit option and five different types of Remain.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,152
    eristdoof said:

    > @MikeSmithson said:

    > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.



    One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!

    At least I can use ink pen, so that MI5 can't rub out any pencil mark.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961

    RobD said:
    This election is now a EU referendum vote, where there is one Brexit option and five different types of Remain.
    Glorious, isn’t it? :p
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    @MikeSmithson said:

    "One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post."

    ................................................................................................................

    So that one for CHUK in Bedford then !!!!!!!! .... :smiley:
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,883
    What caused the surge in green votes in 1989? Was it the recent discovery of the ozone hole?

    It would have been my first Euro-Vote: I think that was the year that in Bristol we voted out a particularly arrogant MEP who was afraid of flying and one time he stormed the cockpit because the stewardess insisted he fastened his seat belt.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited May 2019
    The Brexit Party don't need much more to win 3/4 seats in Wales. Just a few more Labour voters breaking ranks... 37 - 20 - 12 - 12
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    edited May 2019
    What's the actual difference between Change UK and the Lib Dems ?

    I can see clear differentiation between all the other parties to a lesser or greater degree but I'm struggling with CHUK and Lib Dems.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,336
    > @Peter_the_Punter said:
    > > @Morris_Dancer said:
    > > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.
    > >
    > > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.
    >
    > One trusts it will be spoiled in some style, Morris. May I suggest the following inscription:
    >
    > "Non amo te, Mrs May, nec possum dicere quare.
    > Hoc tantum possum dicere: non amo te."

    I do not like thee, Mrs. May.
    The reason why, I cannot say.
    But this I know in every way,
    I do not like thee, Mrs. May.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,152
    Lilico: "Why would the Brexit Party bail out the Tories when it could destroy them instead?"

    Good question.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    > @eristdoof said:
    > > @MikeSmithson said:
    > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.
    >
    > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!

    I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > What's the actual difference between Change UK and the Lib Dems ?
    >
    > I can see clear differentiation between all the other parties to a lesser or greater degree but I'm struggling with CHUK and Lib Dems.

    CHUK want to revoke now. They appear to want to change the UK by removing democracy.
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    > @rottenborough said:
    > https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1130481307484590080
    >
    >
    >
    > lol, +26 :D
    >
    > This election is now a EU referendum vote, where there is one Brexit option and five different types of Remain.

    Surely at least 3 Brexit options - BP/UKIP/Con
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,288
    > @Nigelb said:
    > > @Peter_the_Punter said:
    > > > @Morris_Dancer said:
    > > > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.
    > > >
    > > > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.
    > >
    > > One trusts it will be spoiled in some style, Morris. May I suggest the following inscription:
    > >
    > > "Non amo te, Mrs May, nec possum dicere quare.
    > > Hoc tantum possum dicere: non amo te."
    >
    > I do not like thee, Mrs. May.
    > The reason why, I cannot say.
    > But this I know in every way,
    > I do not like thee, Mrs. May.

    Beautiful translation, Nigel. You are evidently a scholar as well as a gentleman.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,964
    Mr. Pulpstar, Lib Dems want a second referendum, CUKs want a straight revocation.

    Also, the Lib Dems are better at politics.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,336
    > @Peter_the_Punter said:
    > > @Nigelb said:
    > > > @Peter_the_Punter said:
    > > > > @Morris_Dancer said:
    > > > > On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.
    > > > >
    > > > > Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.
    > > >
    > > > One trusts it will be spoiled in some style, Morris. May I suggest the following inscription:
    > > >
    > > > "Non amo te, Mrs May, nec possum dicere quare.
    > > > Hoc tantum possum dicere: non amo te."
    > >
    > > I do not like thee, Mrs. May.
    > > The reason why, I cannot say.
    > > But this I know in every way,
    > > I do not like thee, Mrs. May.
    >
    > Beautiful translation, Nigel. You are evidently a scholar as well as a gentleman.

    Sadly, not my work, in the main...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_do_not_like_thee,_Doctor_Fell
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    PendduPenddu Posts: 265
    Wales Poll:
    Brexit 36%
    Bremain 37%
    Confusion & duplicity 21%
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,883
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > What's the actual difference between Change UK and the Lib Dems ?
    >
    > I can see clear differentiation between all the other parties to a lesser or greater degree but I'm struggling with CHUK and Lib Dems.

    CHUK is little more than "we don't like the tories and we don't like Labour and we want to remain"

    The LD'S are a well organised party with a full mainfesto at each national election, many councillors throughout GB and hope to form coalition governments.

    They seem quite different to me.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    > @rpjs said:
    > > @eristdoof said:
    > > > @MikeSmithson said:
    > > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.
    > >
    > > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!
    >
    > I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent.

    Bloody yanks interfering with our elections. First Obama, now this....


    :D :p
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    > @felix said:
    > > @rottenborough said:
    > > https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1130481307484590080
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > lol, +26 :D
    > >
    > > This election is now a EU referendum vote, where there is one Brexit option and five different types of Remain.
    >
    > Surely at least 3 Brexit options - BP/UKIP/Con

    Are we not forgetting Corbyn's customs unicorn :) ?
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    eristdooferistdoof Posts: 4,883
    > @RobD said:
    > > @rpjs said:
    > > > @eristdoof said:
    > > > > @MikeSmithson said:
    > > > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.
    > > >
    > > > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!
    > >
    > > I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent.
    >
    > Bloody yanks interfering with our elections. First Obama, now this....
    >
    >
    > :D :p

    I can only do that if I receive the letter!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,964
    Mr. Punter, alas, I know practically zero Latin.

    I did try teaching myself, but it did not go well.
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    CatManCatMan Posts: 2,763
    > @RobD said:
    > CHUK want to revoke now. They appear to want to change the UK by removing democracy.

    But surely they can only do that if they win the next election, so it *would* be democracy!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    > @eristdoof said:
    > > @Pulpstar said:
    > > What's the actual difference between Change UK and the Lib Dems ?
    > >
    > > I can see clear differentiation between all the other parties to a lesser or greater degree but I'm struggling with CHUK and Lib Dems.
    >
    > CHUK is little more than "we don't like the tories and we don't like Labour and we want to remain"
    >
    > The LD'S are a well organised party with a full mainfesto at each national election, many councillors throughout GB and hope to form coalition governments.
    >
    > They seem quite different to me.
    >

    Sure, my question was more aimed at what the hell is the point of CHUK ?

    Now UKIP has obviously died on its arse so there was a need to rebrand the leave project... the Lib Dems are looking up though - so just quite simply what was/is the point of CHUK !

    I think the question begs the answer 'not much point' - and it is reflected in the polling.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    @Pulpstar said:

    "What's the actual difference between Change UK and the Lib Dems ?

    I can see clear differentiation between all the other parties to a lesser or greater degree but I'm struggling with CHUK and Lib Dems."

    ...........................................................................................................................

    You get a far superior bar chart with the LibDems and their beards are more ragged and unkempt .... And that's just the women !!!!!! .... :sunglasses:
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    isamisam Posts: 40,894
    Penddu said:

    Wales Poll:

    Brexit 36%

    Bremain 37%

    Confusion & duplicity 21%

    UKIP are probably Brexit
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,152
    felix said:

    > @rottenborough said:

    >



    >

    >

    >

    > lol, +26 :D

    >

    > This election is now a EU referendum vote, where there is one Brexit option and five different types of Remain.



    Surely at least 3 Brexit options - BP/UKIP/Con
    Seems that anyone in UK who wants Brexit has decided the Cons won't be the ones to deliver it.

    That is why there in this mess.
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    edited May 2019
    Pulpstar, in answer to your rather dismissive question on the last thread, my 'point' was contained in the opening question.

    Where do we draw the line about what is and is not acceptable? We will all advocate some forms of demonstration presumably, but when, how, where and against whom are lines of appropriate behaviour crossed?

    I would repost my previous lengthy homily on the subject but you clearly don't have the appetite or courtesy to engage with it. Which is of course your prerogative :)
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    > @RobD said:
    > > @rpjs said:
    > > > @eristdoof said:
    > > > > @MikeSmithson said:
    > > > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.
    > > >
    > > > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!
    > >
    > > I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent.
    >
    > Bloody yanks interfering with our elections. First Obama, now this....
    >
    >
    > :D :p

    I am Schrodinger's Subject. I renounced my allegiance to the Queen in 2017, but Brenda is saying "la la la I can't hear you"
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    MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 4,688
    Oh and one final comment, admittedly slightly anecdotal.

    I've noticed the level of hate in this country has soared in the last few years. Since about 2015 actually. Just hate. For so many things and, often, so many people.

    Tolerance, finding middle ground, courtesy seem to be evaporating.

    I'm not pointing the finger at particular politicians but, yes, I do cite Brexit as a major contributing factor. It has induced awful polarisation and lack of respect.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    > @rpjs said:
    > > @RobD said:
    > > > @rpjs said:
    > > > > @eristdoof said:
    > > > > > @MikeSmithson said:
    > > > > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.
    > > > >
    > > > > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!
    > > >
    > > > I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent.
    > >
    > > Bloody yanks interfering with our elections. First Obama, now this....
    > >
    > >
    > > :D :p
    >
    > I am Schrodinger's Subject. I renounced my allegiance to the Queen in 2017, but Brenda is saying "la la la I can't hear you"

    Literally a traitor, too?

    (joking, of course!!)
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,247
    > @SandyRentool said:
    > > @RobD said:
    >
    > > Hmm, I wonder why Tissue_Price would advocate (in a rather cheeky manner) voting Tory?
    >
    > I thought members of the Conservative Party advocating voting Brexit Party or LibDem these days. To find one urging people to vote Conservative is something of a novelty.

    I have and did
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280
    GIN1138 said:

    > @TheScreamingEagles said:

    > Is it this a safe space or might I get milkshaked?

    >

    > I’d be more worried about being hit by a pizza with pineapple on it.



    Did you see in the last thread that not only is Mark Reckless a traitorous pig dog, he is also a poll embargo breaker... ;)

    As I said in 2014

    ‘I’m not supposed to use the f word but Mark Reckless is a f*cking c*nt who deserves a red hot poker up his arse.’

    There’s a special circle of hell reserved for people who deliberately break embargoes.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Just seen the header on the previous thread, and I think Labour have made a big mistake by putting Farage into the same category as Tommy Robinson. Most people wouldn't agree with that comparison.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    > @Mysticrose said:
    > Oh and one final comment, admittedly slightly anecdotal.
    >
    > I've noticed the level of hate in this country has soared in the last few years. Since about 2015 actually. Just hate. For so many things and, often, so many people.
    >
    > Tolerance, finding middle ground, courtesy seem to be evaporating.
    >
    > I'm not pointing the finger at particular politicians but, yes, I do cite Brexit as a major contributing factor. It has induced awful polarisation and lack of respect.

    Perhaps calling everyone you don't agree with a fascist was not a good idea after all?
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    ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    edited May 2019
    Final comment on Milkshakegate

    Someone on FB has just pointed out that in early 2002, a radical protester shoved a pie full of blood and crap in Pim Fortuyn's face.

    https://images.app.goo.gl/rLViwZqgnB6wsV6c6

    Two months later Fortuyn was shot dead in cold blood by another radical.

    Milkshakes and eggs seem harmless enough, but they are not. Once you normalise physical attacks on a politician, other people will take it further. Enough.
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    rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    > @RobD said:
    > > @rpjs said:
    > > > @RobD said:
    > > > > @rpjs said:
    > > > > > @eristdoof said:
    > > > > > > @MikeSmithson said:
    > > > > > > One of the great hings about having a postal vote is that there can be no last minute change of mind after you've popped it in the post.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > One of the not so great things about a postal vote is not knowing whether the letter with the ballot paper is going to turn up!
    > > > >
    > > > > I sent mine by Fedex from the US and A to ensure it got there in time. Tracking says it was delivered today. Cost me just short of $70. I really can’t decide if it’s one of the most wisest or most foolish seventy bucks I’ve spent.
    > > >
    > > > Bloody yanks interfering with our elections. First Obama, now this....
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > :D :p
    > >
    > > I am Schrodinger's Subject. I renounced my allegiance to the Queen in 2017, but Brenda is saying "la la la I can't hear you"
    >
    > Literally a traitor, too?
    >
    > (joking, of course!!)

    Actually it was no joking matter for William Joyce!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,961
    > @Byronic said:
    > Final comment on Milkshakegate
    >
    > Someone on FB has just pointed out that in early 2002, a radical protester shoved a pie full of blood and crap in Pim Fortuyn's face.
    >
    > https://images.app.goo.gl/rLViwZqgnB6wsV6c6
    >
    > Two months later Fortuyn was shot dead in cold blood by another radical.
    >
    > Milkshakes and eggs seem harmless enough, but they are not. Once you normalise physical attacks on a politician, other people will take it further. Enough.

    And his killer has apparently already been released.
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    _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810
    RobD said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    On-topic: I still don't know how I'm voting.

    Spoiled ballot is currently the likeliest option.

    Write "BREXIT" with the X in the Conservative box. It will give the agent something to do.
    Yes, mark a vote for the Tories. How convenient.
    Hmm, I wonder why Tissue_Price would advocate (in a rather cheeky manner) voting Tory?
    It is truly a mystery.

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    valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 605
    Re the latest Wales poll I fear that Labour's fence sitting may have damaged the Party irrepererably. I know a number of members who have voted Plaid or Green.
    Once you go over that white line there is no going back.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,964
    edited May 2019
    There's been much murmuring about angry type Leavers backing Farage/BP.

    But I wonder if a more significant factor is the frustrated/weary type Leaver moving that way. It's easy to focus on what we dislike in our opponents (hence the traitor/xenophobe insult-flinging), but perhaps most of the BP and Lib Dem surge is down to people wanting the matter resolved and, as some wise chap or lady on Twitter explained, that leads people to shift to the 'cleanest' possible outcomes, which are No Deal/Remain [yes, yes, I know].

    On the other hand, it's not necessarily the nuance that's lost voters in the floating middle, but the failure of either major party to have a successful policy. Had May's deal passed first time, where would we be?

    Edited to correct a typo.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,954
    An important revelation, the EssEnPee are vote perverters.

    https://twitter.com/agcolehamilton/status/1130111996966449153https:
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280
    edited May 2019
    AndyJS said:

    Just seen the header on the previous thread, and I think Labour have made a big mistake by putting Farage into the same category as Tommy Robinson. Most people wouldn't agree with that comparison.

    Both Farage and Tommy Robinson talk about Muslims as fifth columnists.

    Both were fine with Gerard Batten requiring Muslims to sign a charter.

    When you look like me and you have to deal with Tommy’s street army on a regular basis then Farage and Robinson are two cheeks of the same arse.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    > @TheScreamingEagles said:
    > > @TheScreamingEagles said:
    >
    > > Is it this a safe space or might I get milkshaked?
    >
    > >
    >
    > > I’d be more worried about being hit by a pizza with pineapple on it.
    >
    >
    >
    > Did you see in the last thread that not only is Mark Reckless a traitorous pig dog, he is also a poll embargo breaker... ;)
    >
    > As I said in 2014
    >
    > ‘I’m not supposed to use the f word but Mark Reckless is a f*cking c*nt who deserves a red hot poker up his arse.’
    >
    > There’s a special circle of hell reserved for people who deliberately break embargoes.

    it's just all sexual fantasy with you atm
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,247
    > @valleyboy said:
    > Re the latest Wales poll I fear that Labour's fence sitting may have damaged the Party irrepererably. I know a number of members who have voted Plaid or Green.
    > Once you go over that white line there is no going back.

    Let us hope so. Time they were thrown out of government in Wales
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    ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    > @RobD said:
    > > @Byronic said:
    > > Final comment on Milkshakegate
    > >
    > > Someone on FB has just pointed out that in early 2002, a radical protester shoved a pie full of blood and crap in Pim Fortuyn's face.
    > >
    > > https://images.app.goo.gl/rLViwZqgnB6wsV6c6
    > >
    > > Two months later Fortuyn was shot dead in cold blood by another radical.
    > >
    > > Milkshakes and eggs seem harmless enough, but they are not. Once you normalise physical attacks on a politician, other people will take it further. Enough.
    >
    > And his killer has apparently already been released.<

    ++++

    And look at this: a Scottish Tory councillor's house and car is firebombed?

    https://twitter.com/RuthDavidsonMSP/status/1130487640996737024

    Who knows if this is because of his politics. The victim thinks it is. All this must stop.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899

    Pulpstar, in answer to your rather dismissive question on the last thread, my 'point' was contained in the opening question.



    Where do we draw the line about what is and is not acceptable? We will all advocate some forms of demonstration presumably, but when, how, where and against whom are lines of appropriate behaviour crossed?



    I would repost my previous lengthy homily on the subject but you clearly don't have the appetite or courtesy to engage with it. Which is of course your prerogative :)

    I've just gone back through the previous thread and can't for the life of me work out what you're wittering on about.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,011
    > @Theuniondivvie said:
    > An important revelation, the EssEnPee are vote perverters.
    >
    -------

    "Only a vote for [unionist party x] will signal your support for [y] and that you're ANGRY about Nicola Sturgeon."
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    _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,810

    FPT: Mr. Anazina, it's almost as if one's a nickname and one's just pejorative.

    *sighs*

    You keep bleating on about that. As for 'pearl clutching', I was quite content to immediately refrain from using a term I'd rarely heard used but was informed by someone here was offensive to Scots. I didn't accuse him of pearl clutching or whatever nonsense people without an argument claim to try and invalidate someone's perspective.

    Frog and Little Englander are both pejorative. I regard the spectacle of someone who has never been too France clutching his pearls at being called a Little Englander, while referring to the neighbours he has never got off his arse to visit as Frogs as darkly ironic, even if you don't.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,940
    A £5.25 banana and salted caramel from Five Guys.
    Geordie hospitality.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,964
    Mr. Anazina, pish. Frog/rosbif are jocular.

    Your bizarre notion I have some sort of duty to go travelling to places you've determined are necessary to visit is perplexing.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    edited May 2019
    > @eristdoof said:
    > What caused the surge in green votes in 1989? Was it the recent discovery of the ozone hole?
    >

    The Greens stood on an anti-EU platform in 1989! :open_mouth:
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,280
    dixiedean said:

    A £5.25 banana and salted caramel from Five Guys.

    Geordie hospitality.

    I’ve gone off Geordies.

    One of them tried to punch me earlier on this month.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,964
    Mr. Eagles, dare we learn the circumstances of this narrowly averted altercation?
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