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Once upon a time there was a stubborn female PM annoying the hell out of her colleagues. A junior Minister was even overheard calling her “a cow” and wishing she would resign. She was determinedly pursuing and arguing for an initially popular pledge – abolition of the rates – by means of a ferociously unpopular policy: the poll tax. No-one was convinced. Tory MPs looked nervously at their majorities, their annoyed constituents and wondered why she would not listen.
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ps: as good as a 1st as well
> Dominic Raab is a liar like most no dealers.
I am still amazed he appears to have support from his colleagues. His brief cabinet stint was hardly spectacular. He appears to be a personality free zone.
What hold has he got over these people that they feel they have to support him?
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > Dominic Raab is a liar like most no dealers.
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> I am still amazed he appears to have support from his colleagues. His brief cabinet stint was hardly spectacular. He appears to be a personality free zone.
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> What hold has he got over these people that they feel they have to support him?
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Ideological overlap. Simple as that. And if the Tories are going to get curb-stomped in 2022 anyway we may as well enact some of our longstanding policies from our little black book beforehand.
Even if Corbyz manages to reverse all of them, good policies usually sweep the world much like privatisation did.
> Ideological overlap. Simple as that. And if the Tories are going to get curb-stomped in 2022 anyway we may as well enact some of our longstanding policies from our little black book beforehand.
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> Even if Corbyz manages to reverse all of them, good policies usually sweep the world much like privatisation did.
There is no parliamentary majority for getting large scale radical Right Wing legislation through. Even if the DUP are kept on side, there are enough on the Grieve wing of the party to make it nigh-on impossible to impose that sort of agenda.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/26/what-makes-tories-think-anyone-must-be-better-than-theresa-may
“One senior Conservative remarks: “The Tory party is tired of a leader so dull that the worst sin she ever committed as a child was to run through a field of wheat. They now want some entertainment and wickedness. So they will probably take a punt on Boris. It will be a wild ride on the tiger. Boris will be a hoot. The question is whether the country wants a hoot.” If you are shocked that this is the level of thinking that will determine who becomes Britain’s next prime minister, then you are not very well acquainted with the Conservatives.”
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> > Ideological overlap. Simple as that. And if the Tories are going to get curb-stomped in 2022 anyway we may as well enact some of our longstanding policies from our little black book beforehand.
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> > Even if Corbyz manages to reverse all of them, good policies usually sweep the world much like privatisation did.
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> There is no parliamentary majority for getting large scale radical Right Wing legislation through. Even if the DUP are kept on side, there are enough on the Grieve wing of the party to make it nigh-on impossible to impose that sort of agenda.
A lot of the ideas I had in mind would be in the Finance Bill which would be a clear confidence matter anyway. That and many of the others can be done via secondary legislation.
> Rory confirms he is continuity May
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> https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/status/1132624654584176646?s=21
He is trying to be what May should have been, not what she was.
'Fraid not old son, the centre is very sparsely populated. It was May's error to believe that triangulating into the "centre" was a good idea.
> After these European elections the BXP should maximise its influence by declaring it will not stand against leaver MPs in a GE.
Depends on its ambitions. If its aim is simply to ensure Brexit, you are right. If it is to become a replacement to the Tory party, the exact opposite would be the strategy - let Tory (and Labour) MPs in leave constituencies know that they will challenge them unless they defect to BXP.
> Rory confirms he is continuity May
> https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/status/1132624654584176646
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> "There are more potential votes in the centre of British politics."
> 'Fraid not old son, the centre is very sparsely populated. It was May's error to believe that triangulating into the "centre" was a good idea.
You seriously think that May "Citizen of Nowhere" was attempting to appeal to the centre? It was her total failure to reach out to Remain that has led to a backlash against any kind of Brexit. The country has changed its mind since June 2016, which is what the no dealers don't even begin to understand.
So either either a Brexit compromise deal or no Brexit, simply because those who are trying to run the UK over a cliff will be burned at the stake at the next election.
> Rory confirms he is continuity May
> https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/status/1132624654584176646
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> "There are more potential votes in the centre of British politics."
> 'Fraid not old son, the centre is very sparsely populated. It was May's error to believe that triangulating into the "centre" was a good idea.
Does British politics have much of a centre ground?
> What time will the count get underway this evening?
10pm
Camden by a landslide
Southwark
Barnet
Sutton
Enfield
Kingston
Richmond
Close in others
> I am hearing that LDs have won the following.
> Camden by a landslide
> Southwark
> Barnet
> Sutton
> Enfield
> Kingston
> Richmond
> Close in others
Have they started counting yet?
> > @GIN1138 said:
> > What time will the count get underway this evening?
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I thought I read earlier that they were going to count earlier than 10pm? Might have been #FAKENEWS though.
> > @geoffw said:
> > After these European elections the BXP should maximise its influence by declaring it will not stand against leaver MPs in a GE.
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> Depends on its ambitions. If its aim is simply to ensure Brexit, you are right. If it is to become a replacement to the Tory party, the exact opposite would be the strategy - let Tory (and Labour) MPs in leave constituencies know that they will challenge them unless they defect to BXP.
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If I were Farage and they win big tonight, I'd try to encourage ERG MPs to defect and force a General Election while the Tories and Labour are in chaos.
Ealing as well swinging to Lib dems
The dead horse which Theresa May has been flogging for the past six months was the only horse in town. It was shot by the ERG and fellow travellers. As a result there is no hope for the Conservative Party, starting from here, which doesn't of itself matter very much except that there's also no hope of a sensible alternative government and even if there was, all alternative courses are unpalatable.
The weirdest thing is seeing wannabe PMs lining up to trash what very limited freedom of movement they might have had. Promising unequivocally to leave on the 31st October is spectacularly stupid, given that in almost any scenario including no deal it might not be possible to get the necessary legislation passed and arrangements made in time. They are setting themselves up for failure and giving ammunition to Nigel Farage - the exact opposite of what they think they are doing. How stupid is that?
> > @MTimT said:
> > > @geoffw said:
> > > After these European elections the BXP should maximise its influence by declaring it will not stand against leaver MPs in a GE.
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> > Depends on its ambitions. If its aim is simply to ensure Brexit, you are right. If it is to become a replacement to the Tory party, the exact opposite would be the strategy - let Tory (and Labour) MPs in leave constituencies know that they will challenge them unless they defect to BXP.
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> If I were Farage and they win big tonight, I'd try to encourage ERG MPs to defect and force a General Election while the Tories and Labour are in chaos.
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> A lot of areas counting now first result NE expected 10:30 London 3 ish as I recall. Press association estimates somewhere out there
Counting now? But not expected until after 10pm? What the hell are they doing to make it such a slow count?
Do you think that a "citizen of the world" is the centre ground of UK politics?
'The most important lesson is perhaps this: any significant change in the country’s course needs more than Parliamentary approval or passage as the legal default to gain support. It needs it from as many of those who are initially opposed or indifferent or sceptical as possible. Without it, any change will be vulnerable to its first difficulties. Without it, it will not last.'
At the moment it seems that the most comment directed at Remainers is 'You lost; suck it up!".
Which, bearing in mind that the margin was small, doesn't go a long way to unite the country. Unpopular in some quarters that a Customs Union, or May's Deal may be/have been, the fact 'remains' that a significant proportion of the public think the EU membership is, at least, quite a good idea and any government which rides roughshod over those beliefs is not going to last long.
Either that or it is going to have to find such a helping of bread and circuses to bribe enough of the electorate that it will very soon run out of money.
> > @timmo said:
> > I am hearing that LDs have won the following.
> > Camden by a landslide
> > Southwark
> > Barnet
> > Sutton
> > Enfield
> > Kingston
> > Richmond
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> Have they started counting yet?
I thought no one was starting counting until 5pm?
Odd we haven't had any leaks from anywhere else on party voting except London - which is technically a breach of electoral law before 10pm.
Given how keen the Lib Dems /some remainers are on prosecuting people who break electoral law I expect Carole Cadwalladr to launch a lengthy inquiry - it should keep the front page of the Observer busy for a few weeks. Will the EC also launch an investigation and fine the leakers? It shouldn't be that difficult to work out given the limited number of party workers who attended the verification in those boroughs!
Of course it may be pure guesswork - its hardly a shock the LDs would top the poll in Richmond, Kingston and Sutton where they run the council or in Camden and Southwark (remainer central where they used to run the council). Enfield and Barnet seem a bit more left field - but if Labour and the Tories have collapsed totally...
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> They are counting all over london now but results embargoes
They are counting in London but the results are embargoed until 3am tomorrow?
What a ****** shambles these EU elections are....
Bigger votes and higher increase in t/o in more Remain areas.
Conservative vote is patchy- some possibility that nationally they are over 10%
Lib Dems piling up big votes in small areas. Clearly ahead in London.
One cheeky bet might be that TBP gets most seats, but actually polls less than the Lib Dems, not sure what the odds are but might be a fun flutter.
> > @geoffw said:
> > Rory confirms he is continuity May
> > https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/status/1132624654584176646
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> > "There are more potential votes in the centre of British politics."
> > 'Fraid not old son, the centre is very sparsely populated. It was May's error to believe that triangulating into the "centre" was a good idea.
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> Does British politics have much of a centre ground?
Yes, I think it does.
The Centre ground has to re-define what it is for though, not just what it is against. It is only possible to go so far by being against things.
Brexit doesn't lend itself to centrism, but most other political issues do.
https://twitter.com/RichardOsley/status/1132629606576644096
> I am hearing that LDs have won the following.
> Camden by a landslide
> Southwark
> Barnet
> Sutton
> Enfield
> Kingston
> Richmond
> Close in others
It is time to stop listening to the voices in your head then
> There is a possibility that the Tories wont win a seat in London from what im hearing
Yes that sounds credible
https://election.pressassociation.com/declaration-times/
> There is a possibility that the Tories wont win a seat in London from what im hearing
Have you heard if the BP will win a seat(s) in London?
> National turnout reported as 38%.
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> Bigger votes and higher increase in t/o in more Remain areas.
> Conservative vote is patchy- some possibility that nationally they are over 10%
> Lib Dems piling up big votes in small areas. Clearly ahead in London.
> One cheeky bet might be that TBP gets most seats, but actually polls less than the Lib Dems, not sure what the odds are but might be a fun flutter.
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There is perhaps the London bubble phenomenon - all my right on friends in Clapham, Peckham, Dalston, Holloway and Ealing are voting Lib Dem and no one is voting Brexit party..... I expect the Greens may do quite well too - as a lot of Labour voters might find them a more acceptable alternative?
Its a little odd as I said that we have had no leaks from anywhere on expected poll toppers bar half a dozen London boroughs. If they were good predictors in June 2016 remain would have won by a landslide!
> The Press Association's estimates of the result times are here:
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> https://election.pressassociation.com/declaration-times/
Why on earth won't London declare until 2am if they're already counting right now?
The whole nation could easily declare the result at dead on 10pm and let everyone get to be by 11pm.
Crazy!
> I am hearing that LDs have won the following.
> Camden by a landslide
> Southwark
> Barnet
> Sutton
> Enfield
> Kingston
> Richmond
> Close in others
That's supposed to be kept secret until 10pm, officially.
> The Press Association's estimates of the result times are here:
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> Cheers
Why is London so late/slow - it has fewer voters and fewer electoral areas than the south east and is densely populated. Don't they being counting at 5pm in many areas - so the votes should all be tallied for immediate release and reporting to regional centres by 10pm. How did it take London over 5 hours in 2014 to report whereas the North east reported within 15 minutes at 10.15pm?
Are remain voting areas just a bit slow - or will there be a free bar at the City Hall counting centre?
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> They are counting in London but the results are embargoed until 3am tomorrow?
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> What a ****** shambles these EU elections are....
Results can be declared from 10pm onwards, as soon as they're ready.
> National turnout reported as 38%.
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> Bigger votes and higher increase in t/o in more Remain areas.
> Conservative vote is patchy- some possibility that nationally they are over 10%
> Lib Dems piling up big votes in small areas. Clearly ahead in London.
> One cheeky bet might be that TBP gets most seats, but actually polls less than the Lib Dems, not sure what the odds are but might be a fun flutter.
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I suggested that was possible at the onset of the campaign and was generally and politely (and not so in some cases) told no way. Fingers crossed
> This is sailing close to the wind in terms of revealing the results before the voting has finished.
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It's against the law to reveal results before 10pm.
> > @timmo said:
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> Have you heard if the BP will win a seat(s) in London?
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> No idea but i think they are doingbwell enough to be well in the mix. Labour are getting crucified in central london.
I don't think Lab will do much better in the Midlands. In my centre left wing circles Imet only one person voting Labour in the Euros, and that was only because she is a friend of the candidate. It is possible that they may do a bit better in some parts of the North, but I am hopeful that my fiver at 60/1 on Lab under 10% pays off. More likely they will scrape in slightly better than that.
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > This is sailing close to the wind in terms of revealing the results before the voting has finished.
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> It's against the law to reveal results before 10pm.
It's a farce if it is, and the EC should be kicking arses.
On the issue of revealing the results, "not disputing" is not the same as "saying". If I don't dispute that my mum is a hamster, that doesn't mean I've said my mum is a hamster, I've just chosen not to argue the point.
Takes time to count/separate two lots of ballot papers.
> Indeed. The LDs are or have been strong in all those except Enfield and Barnet. If they really have won in those two Boroughs then London is going to be exceptionally good for them. The caveat is that the papers won’t be mixed across wards, and whoever is providing the reports may only be looking at papers from one part of the Borough, which may not be representative.
Indeed. I know people are eager for the numbers - but speculation/wishful thinking/despair based on rumour and limited reports really doesn't help anyone.
I know it is 7 hours more to wait for real data to emerge. We ought not to get too ahead of ourselves.
> > @timmo said:
> > There is a possibility that the Tories wont win a seat in London from what im hearing
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> Have you heard if the BP will win a seat(s) in London?
You will probably only need 7% to win a seat in London - its a 10 seat region. The BP will certainly win a seat there even if polling is massively out - if polling is anyway right they will win at least 2. Outer London boroughs - outside the bubble - like Bromley, Bexley, Havering, Barking and Dagenham, Hounslow, Hillingdon etc etc contain lots of leave voters so should also turnout for the BP.
> > @AndyJS said:
> > > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > > This is sailing close to the wind in terms of revealing the results before the voting has finished.
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> It's a farce if it is, and the EC should be kicking arses.
It's not if, it's a fact. They don't finish voting across Europe until 10pm.
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> Both major parties under 15% seems a cert
I stand by my prediction of Con beating Lab into fourth place.
That had Labour on 23 and the Lib Dems on 12 nationally .
Those numbers looked out of place given other polls showed the Lib Dems taking a lot of voters off Labour .
If Labour are losing Camden they’re in deep trouble .
NE - 609k
SE - 2,348K
Anyone else surprised the NE finished the count before London?
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> It is time to stop listening to the voices in your head then
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> I strongly suspect you'll be able to add Oxford to that list later tonight.
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> On the issue of revealing the results, "not disputing" is not the same as "saying". If I don't dispute that my mum is a hamster, that doesn't mean I've said my mum is a hamster, I've just chosen not to argue the point.
Enfield seems most unlikely, unless everyone's winning 10 - 15% there
> Most london boroughs have now finished counting..
Any further "guesses"? If the Lib Dems have done well as in Barking as rumoured then they may be on course for 2 seats in London
Wait and see
Pretty good , up around 4 points on 2014.
74.9 % Remain in 2016.
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> I stand by my prediction of Con beating Lab into fourth place.
You did say that - and I thought you were barking at the time.
Much respect if you have this right.
They've got one up on London in the play off final anyway, in bizarre circumstances
> > @ralphmalph said:
> > > @timmo said:
> > > There is a possibility that the Tories wont win a seat in London from what im hearing
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> You will probably only need 7% to win a seat in London - its a 10 seat region. The BP will certainly win a seat there even if polling is massively out - if polling is anyway right they will win at least 2. Outer London boroughs - outside the bubble - like Bromley, Bexley, Havering, Barking and Dagenham, Hounslow, Hillingdon etc etc contain lots of leave voters so should also turnout for the BP.
Also Newham which is poor outer London, was like 47% Leave.
But I can't see many of the people who live there voting for The Brexit Party.
https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1132645699097628673
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1132641563409039361
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> > Indeed. The LDs are or have been strong in all those except Enfield and Barnet. If they really have won in those two Boroughs then London is going to be exceptionally good for them. The caveat is that the papers won’t be mixed across wards, and whoever is providing the reports may only be looking at papers from one part of the Borough, which may not be representative.
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> Indeed. I know people are eager for the numbers - but speculation/wishful thinking/despair based on rumour and limited reports really doesn't help anyone.
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> I know it is 7 hours more to wait for real data to emerge. We ought not to get too ahead of ourselves.
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And it may be a good time to remind people about Kerry McCarthy in 2010; she got a police caution for revealing postal vote proportions (IIRC) and there were a lot of people rapidly deleting posts on here.
> If the Lib Dems are beating Labour in Camden then the Survation poll which always looked a bit strange is going to be badly wrong .
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> If Labour are losing Camden they’re in deep trouble .
More of the bubble. The Lib Dems ran Camden council under Blair and Brown - Camden voted 76% remain. It is very typical of an inner London solidly remain borough - trying to project beyond that class of authorities may a valid approach or it may not.
We may find again London votes solidly one way - but the rest of England and Wales excluding a few university towns votes differently.
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> 74.9 % Remain in 2016.
Its all Lib Dem. If this is not just a London effect then this is going to the best night for the Liberal Democrats in over a century.
> > @timmo said:
> > I am hearing that LDs have won the following.
> > Camden by a landslide
> > Southwark
> > Barnet
> > Sutton
> > Enfield
> > Kingston
> > Richmond
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> That's supposed to be kept secret until 10pm, officially.
If the libdems have won in Barnet and Enfield they have surely topped the vote in London?
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> I stand by my prediction of Con beating Lab into fourth place.
That would be a political earthquake.
> > @AndyJS said:
> > > @timmo said:
> > > I am hearing that LDs have won the following.
> > > Camden by a landslide
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> > > Barnet
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> If the libdems have won in Barnet and Enfield they have surely topped the vote in London?
Likely to be first in Lewisham as well
> > @AndyJS said:
> > > @timmo said:
> > > I am hearing that LDs have won the following.
> > > Camden by a landslide
> > > Southwark
> > > Barnet
> > > Sutton
> > > Enfield
> > > Kingston
> > > Richmond
> > > Close in others
> >
> > That's supposed to be kept secret until 10pm, officially.
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> If the libdems have won in Barnet and Enfield they have surely topped the vote in London?
Enfield was one of the worst places in London for the LDs at the last Euro election, they only got 3%. It would be amazing if they've won there.
> Three weeks of voting by Tory MPs:
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I'd be surprised if all the declared candidates make it to the starting gate.
"Second, there is a huge opportunity for the centre ground to regroup and play a decisive role. That demands that we work together instead of competing. We have a historic opportunity to break the dysfunctional two-party system. In the days ahead we will be consulting our staff, candidates and supporters on how to move forward."
If the Lib Dems have a barnstorming night, and CUK win no seats, I wonder if "how to move forward" might become "dissolve ourselves and become part of the Lib Dems".
> > @timmo said:
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> > There is a possibility that the Tories wont win a seat in London from what im hearing
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> Have you heard if the BP will win a seat(s) in London?
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> No idea but i think they are doingbwell enough to be well in the mix. Labour are getting crucified in central london.
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> The Tories wont win a single seat anywhere is my prediction.
Wouldn't that mean they would have to be at like below 7% in the southeast region? I don't think hell has frozen over just yet.......