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If you’re a lurker, from London to Bombay, Stop lurking, it’s posting time. If you’re thinking You Can’t touch this site with your contributions, you’re wrong. Hopefully in the morning, I’ll be saying Oh, My Lord, look at the number of delurkers.

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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Wot no comments?
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Vote for 'amenable' Serge.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    Fuck it, renationalise the railways. This current situation of subsidizing the profits of Stagecoach, First and Virgin is the worst of socialism and capitalism combined.
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    One more to interest and horrify.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/05/1253274/-Absolutely-unimaginable-this-could-happen-in-America?detail=facebook

    Don't get stopped for a traffic offence in New Mexico.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,321
    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck it, renationalise the railways. This current situation of subsidizing the profits of Stagecoach, First and Virgin is the worst of socialism and capitalism combined.

    Exactly (link 2 above).

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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    edited November 2013
    Another sleaze 'splash' coming up n the Telegraph apparently

    'The results of a five month investigation into Westminster sleaze will be up on @Telegraph shortly…'

    'Conservative MP offering to use his political contacts to set up deals worth hundreds of thousands of pounds...' hollywatt
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    NextNext Posts: 826
    tim said:
    Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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    SeanT said:

    Surely some mistake.

    You appear to have forgotten what might be the week's most-read blog (going by shares) written by ME

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100244230/why-are-todays-columnists-and-photographers-so-posh/

    I have been praised by well known lefties on Twitter. A most peculiar feeling.

    Yeah, I've added links 30 and 31
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,131
    This is the most interesting data I saw today: http://www.markit.com/assets/en/docs/commentary/markit-economics/2013/nov/UK_All_Sector_PMI_13_11_05.pdf

    Really astonishingly good PMI figures for the services sector showing that growth in the UK is broadening and starting to develop real momentum which will hopefully bring in a lot of investment in its' wake.

    The future order figures are even better and employment is on the increase. And all this is happening against a background where consumption and retail spending is still highly restrained. The economy is rebalancing with the export of services particularly strong.

    Still a long way to go but this does give the tories some hope.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck it, renationalise the railways. This current situation of subsidizing the profits of Stagecoach, First and Virgin is the worst of socialism and capitalism combined.

    Railway privatisation has been an utterly stunning success, far outpacing anything predicted. Train journeys up, passenger usage up, investment up, safety numbers up.

    In fact, its is amongst the most stunning turn arounds in public policy since the second world war. Just because the perception is failure, doesnt make it so.
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    Good evening, everyone.

    Mr. T, has your African adventure come to an end? Did you see hippos and baboons? Or a serval?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    UT/TT Texas GOP primary 2016

    •Ted Cruz 32% (25%)
    •Rick Perry 10% (10%)
    •Jeb Bush 9%
    •Paul Ryan 7% (8%)
    •Marco Rubio 6% (11%)
    •Rand Paul 6% (13%)
    •Chris Christie 4% (8%)
    •Rick Santorum 3% (2%)
    •Bobby Jindal 3% (2%)
    •Scott Walker 1%
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    UT/TT Texas Democratic primary 2016

    •Hillary Clinton 67% (66%)
    •Joe Biden 7% (11%)
    •Elizabeth Warren 5%
    •Andrew Cuomo 1% (1%)
    •Martin O’Malley 1% (0%)
    •Brian Schweitzer 1% (0%)
    •Mark Warner 1% (1%)
    •Kirsten Gillibrand 0% (1%)
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    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Surely some mistake.

    You appear to have forgotten what might be the week's most-read blog (going by shares) written by ME

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100244230/why-are-todays-columnists-and-photographers-so-posh/

    I have been praised by well known lefties on Twitter. A most peculiar feeling.

    Yeah, I've added links 30 and 31
    Lol. I was only joshing. However I note that my Telegraph blog, this week, has been shared - and therefore, probably, read - more often than the latest Telegraph column from one Boris Johnson.

    Hmm.
    It is the policy of the nighthawks editor to add to the links as standard, any piece published by a PBer in the mainstream media.

    Since, there's only you and TimT who fall into that catergory, it is a select group
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    notme Indeed, and you can also get a decent meal and sandwiches
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,919

    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck it, renationalise the railways. This current situation of subsidizing the profits of Stagecoach, First and Virgin is the worst of socialism and capitalism combined.

    Exactly (link 2 above).

    Am I allowed to mention the railway in your presence Nick, or will you accuse me of stalking you again?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    Romney gets behind Christie for 2016 as he looks likely to be the one bright spot for Republicans tonight form the NJ, NY and Virginia races
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10424080/Mitt-Romney-denies-size-mattered-when-he-passed-over-Chris-Christie.html
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    HYUFD said:

    notme Indeed, and you can also get a decent meal and sandwiches

    And air con / heating and wifi. A lot of nostalgia exists about the railways. BR was dire, truly dire and the government was dire at running it. Horrendous, over seeing the decline right up until privatisation.

    Something happened in 1993. Can anyone guess what?

    http://www.railway-technical.com/Pass-Journeys-2010-11.png
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    Mr. T, looks like a rather nice view. Glad you haven't been emasculated by a honey badger.
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    NextNext Posts: 826
    SeanT said:

    Pb mods: apols if that vine video screws yr bandwidth thingy. Feel free to edit.

    A video linked from another site does NOT affect PB's bandwidth.

    When you play the video it will stream from the other site.
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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    notme said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck it, renationalise the railways. This current situation of subsidizing the profits of Stagecoach, First and Virgin is the worst of socialism and capitalism combined.

    Railway privatisation has been an utterly stunning success, far outpacing anything predicted. Train journeys up, passenger usage up, investment up, safety numbers up.

    At four times the subsidy than they ever got under BR.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    notme Exactly, I just about remember BR and it is not with great affection
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    Think of the betting opportunities, think of Neil.

    Ireland to hold referendum on gay marriage

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/10429118/Ireland-to-hold-referendum-on-gay-marriage.html
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Bobajob said:

    notme said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck it, renationalise the railways. This current situation of subsidizing the profits of Stagecoach, First and Virgin is the worst of socialism and capitalism combined.

    Railway privatisation has been an utterly stunning success, far outpacing anything predicted. Train journeys up, passenger usage up, investment up, safety numbers up.

    At four times the subsidy than they ever got under BR.

    And far fewer strikes
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    I owe Keith Vaz an apology.

    In the past, I may have been critical of him, and accused him of representing the worst of politics.

    But his chairmanship of the Home Affairs Select Committee is excellent, his work on plebgate, such as today, was excellent.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Evening all

    Falkirk seems to be getting quote a bit of coverage.

    As 'we all know' it is great news for Ed, what bump in the polling should we expect?
    And it was issued after Alistair Darling, the former chancellor, said that, in the light of this new evidence, “there needs to be a proper inquiry, one that people have confidence in, people can see what happened … I think the problem with the last report was quite clearly it didn't have all the facts that are now available.”

    Yet after all that – the emails, the statements, the call from Alastair Darling – a Labour Party official spokesman sent out a formal press release, on Labour Party headed paper, that said the following: “We have not seen any new evidence to justify further action.” It literally said that. “We have not seen any new evidence to justify further action.”
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100244380/cock-up-and-conspiracy-what-do-labour-and-ed-miliband-think-theyre-doing-over-falkirk/
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    When the East Coast line was run by GNER (Sea Containers) it was a brilliant railway to travel on. Having travelled on the line for more than 40 years I am well aware of the amazing change in standards that came about after privatization. It was top of the list for both punctuality and passenger satisfaction whilst it was GNER.

    Standards and service have dropped considerably since it has been back in public ownership and I would be very glad to see it privatized again as soon as possible.
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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    If that Guardian article on the railway is anywhere near right, it's one of the best pieces of journalism I have read for a long, long time. It can't be right, can it?
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    edited November 2013
    Bobajob said:

    notme said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck it, renationalise the railways. This current situation of subsidizing the profits of Stagecoach, First and Virgin is the worst of socialism and capitalism combined.

    Railway privatisation has been an utterly stunning success, far outpacing anything predicted. Train journeys up, passenger usage up, investment up, safety numbers up.

    At four times the subsidy than they ever got under BR.

    The state doesn't invest in nationalised industries. The gains are too long term and the short term gains available elsewhere get the cash. One thing privatisation does is force an external audit of what the system requires.

    One of the drawbacks of rail privatisation though is that in practice the contractors can rely on a state guarantee of their operations.
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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    antifrank said:

    Bobajob said:

    notme said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck it, renationalise the railways. This current situation of subsidizing the profits of Stagecoach, First and Virgin is the worst of socialism and capitalism combined.

    Railway privatisation has been an utterly stunning success, far outpacing anything predicted. Train journeys up, passenger usage up, investment up, safety numbers up.

    At four times the subsidy than they ever got under BR.

    The state doesn't invest in nationalised industries.

    Neither does the private sector if that article is anywhere near right.
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    "8. The real reason Labour is petrified of re-opening the Falkirk inquiry"

    Link using Google's cache – sneaky.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,249
    SeanT said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    Mr. T, has your African adventure come to an end? Did you see hippos and baboons? Or a serval?

    I fly out to Lusaka, then London, tomorrow.

    DUDE I saw EVERYTHING. Did you not see the vids I posted of the lion encounter and lion kill I witnessed (somewhat uncomfortably yet exhilaratingly) in Luangwa?? Wild! Yes I saw serval - loads of em. Plus sable, genet, roan, porcupine, leopard, buffalo, croc, hippo, mad bull elephants and AFRICAN FINFOOT.

    today I finished off with a chopper ride over Victoria Falls:

    Zambia is FANTASTIC. One of my best trips ever.
    quite funny my first response on reading this was that you had finished your tour off with a Raleigh Chopper ride over Victoria Falls, an image of which I was trying, fruitlessly, to recreate in my mind.
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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    When the East Coast line was run by GNER (Sea Containers) it was a brilliant railway to travel on. Having travelled on the line for more than 40 years I am well aware of the amazing change in standards that came about after privatization. It was top of the list for both punctuality and passenger satisfaction whilst it was GNER.

    Standards and service have dropped considerably since it has been back in public ownership and I would be very glad to see it privatized again as soon as possible.

    Wrong. Punctuality up. Passenger numbers up.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,298
    edited November 2013
    I might do a guess thread on trains/rail privisation/nationalisation
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    Bobajob said:

    antifrank said:

    Bobajob said:

    notme said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck it, renationalise the railways. This current situation of subsidizing the profits of Stagecoach, First and Virgin is the worst of socialism and capitalism combined.

    Railway privatisation has been an utterly stunning success, far outpacing anything predicted. Train journeys up, passenger usage up, investment up, safety numbers up.

    At four times the subsidy than they ever got under BR.

    The state doesn't invest in nationalised industries.

    Neither does the private sector if that article is anywhere near right.
    given that I'm aware of several railways contractors who are seriously considering pulling out of such work because of the low margins, I strongly suspect it's rubbish.
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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    As well as improving on GNER, East Coast has just posted a surplus of £200m. To the taxpayer.
    Under GNER, this would have gone to shareholders.
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    I did speak to a friend of mine yesterday (he's fairly right wing) and he did wonder after some spectacular failures of capitalism (the banks, the privatised utilities), if the country fancies a dose of socialism, and that's why Ed's policies are proving to be popular.
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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    I might do a guess thread on trains/rail privisation/nationalisation

    Good idea. Christian Wolmar is your man.
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    Bobajob said:

    I might do a guess thread on trains/rail privisation/nationalisation

    Good idea. Christian Wolmar is your man.
    Turns out I did a thread in August 2012 entitled

    Will transport be a key battleground at the next election?

    http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2012/08/19/will-transport-be-a-key-battleground-at-the-next-election/
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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    tim said:
    1) They 're ignoring illegal immigration - especially the double whammy effect from a lot of illegal working involving the low-skill, entry level jobs teenagers used to do.

    2) They're also not comparing like with like as a disproportionate percentage of immigrants are working age . What would the numbers be if the demographics were weighted honestly?

    To illustrate say you have one population made up of
    - 100 working age with a net rating of +10
    - 100 retired with a net rating of -5
    then you get an average net rating of +5

    If you compared that to a population made up of
    - 100 working age people with a net rating +6 upwards
    then you would get a graph like that (as long as you ignored illegal immigration)

    but if you extrapolate into the future when the second population has the same proportion of retired people what would it be then?

    All the pro-replacement lobby's stats are dishonest like that.
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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    Nobody is talking about recreating BR. Other countries run perfectly good nationalised railways, as do/did we in the shape of CTRL, East Coast and the London Overground.
    Why shouldn't DOR be able to tender for franchises as they come up?
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    Bobajob said:

    As well as improving on GNER, East Coast has just posted a surplus of £200m. To the taxpayer.
    Under GNER, this would have gone to shareholders.

    East Coast has in no way improved on GNER. The service is worse, the number of trains stopping at intermediate stations fewer, the punctuality worse and customer satisfaction way down.

    In every respect the service to passengers is far worse now than it was in the early 90s.
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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    antifrank said:

    Bobajob said:

    antifrank said:

    Bobajob said:

    notme said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck it, renationalise the railways. This current situation of subsidizing the profits of Stagecoach, First and Virgin is the worst of socialism and capitalism combined.

    Railway privatisation has been an utterly stunning success, far outpacing anything predicted. Train journeys up, passenger usage up, investment up, safety numbers up.

    At four times the subsidy than they ever got under BR.

    The state doesn't invest in nationalised industries.

    Neither does the private sector if that article is anywhere near right.
    given that I'm aware of several railways contractors who are seriously considering pulling out of such work because of the low margins, I strongly suspect it's rubbish.
    Shareholders creaming it all off and not paying the blokes who are doing the work? It happens, I hear
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    Good points, Mr. Jones.
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    NextNext Posts: 826

    I did speak to a friend of mine yesterday (he's fairly right wing) and he did wonder after some spectacular failures of capitalism (the banks, the privatised utilities), if the country fancies a dose of socialism, and that's why Ed's policies are proving to be popular.

    Who encouraged the ridiculous gambles the banks made, that got them in trouble in the first place?

    Who bailed them out in the way that left taxpayers and good banks on the hook?

    Socialists.

    -

    Location: Germany.
    Time: 1930s.
    Scene: Two artisans talking.

    "Hey this country seems to be in trouble".

    "Yeah, we need a popular movement that supports the people".

    "How about we give those National Socialists a go?"

    -

    If Socialism is the answer, then it's a bloody silly question.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,919
    Bobajob said:

    notme said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck it, renationalise the railways. This current situation of subsidizing the profits of Stagecoach, First and Virgin is the worst of socialism and capitalism combined.

    Railway privatisation has been an utterly stunning success, far outpacing anything predicted. Train journeys up, passenger usage up, investment up, safety numbers up.

    At four times the subsidy than they ever got under BR.

    I'm not sure that you're right with that claim. Did you see the link I posted earlier?

    See graph 2 in:
    http://www.slideshare.net/GaldeMerkline/transport-perspectivesrailjulyaug2013

    *If* that graph is right (and I haven't had the time to look for the raw figures), then the current (2010/2011 and 201/2012) subsidy to the railways isn't much greater than it was in the mid-1990s.

    If that is right, then the subsidy per passenger and passenger mile should be much less than it was in the 1990s due to the increased traffic.

    Where's your source for the four times subsidy?

    One thing that can be improved are payments by the TOCs to NR (track access charges). They need to be higher, to cope with NR's increasing debt.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Bobajob said:

    As well as improving on GNER, East Coast has just posted a surplus of £200m. To the taxpayer.
    Under GNER, this would have gone to shareholders.

    East Coast has in no way improved on GNER. The service is worse, the number of trains stopping at intermediate stations fewer, the punctuality worse and customer satisfaction way down.

    In every respect the service to passengers is far worse now than it was in the early 90s.
    In 2007 GNER was the worst performing train company for puctuality .
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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Hypothetical question

    Say you have a country with a population of 50 million and a working age population of 30 million - so 10% of the working age population is 3 million.

    Say the GDP per capita of the working age population is x.

    Say 80% of GDP comes from the working age population.

    Those numbers are just rough guesses but they're close enough to illustrate the point.

    Then if you import 3 million or 6 million working age people (10% or 20% of the working age population) with the same (or according to the replacement lobby, higher) per capita GDP over the course of 10 years then you should expect to see an increase of GDP of 8% or 16%.

    So after you strip out the effect of the credit bubble from 1998-2008 where is it?
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Think of the betting opportunities, think of Neil.

    Ireland to hold referendum on gay marriage

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/10429118/Ireland-to-hold-referendum-on-gay-marriage.html

    My main tip was for the referendum to happen next year. Didnt happen but was outrageous value from Paddy Power at the time. This one will be *fun*. Anyone wanting to see the sharp end of politics is welcome to join me canvassing in Donegal North East.
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    Bobajob said:

    As well as improving on GNER, East Coast has just posted a surplus of £200m. To the taxpayer.
    Under GNER, this would have gone to shareholders.

    No, it hasn't. It's paid it's premium- which is like it's line rental.

    Imagine Bob Crow let loose nationwide.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    MrJones said:

    Hypothetical question

    Say you have a country with a population of 50 million and a working age population of 30 million - so 10% of the working age population is 3 million.

    Say the GDP per capita of the working age population is x.

    Say 80% of GDP comes from the working age population.

    Those numbers are just rough guesses but they're close enough to illustrate the point.

    Then if you import 3 million or 6 million working age people (10% or 20% of the working age population) with the same (or according to the replacement lobby, higher) per capita GDP over the course of 10 years then you should expect to see an increase of GDP of 8% or 16%.

    So after you strip out the effect of the credit bubble from 1998-2008 where is it?

    Its recorded as a liability as they will all want a state pension and health care when they reach 65+


    So then you Ponzi up on 3M more...
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    Neil said:

    Think of the betting opportunities, think of Neil.

    Ireland to hold referendum on gay marriage

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/10429118/Ireland-to-hold-referendum-on-gay-marriage.html

    My main tip was for the referendum to happen next year. Didnt happen but was outrageous value from Paddy Power at the time. This one will be *fun*. Anyone wanting to see the sharp end of politics is welcome to join me canvassing in Donegal North East.
    Which side will you be campaigning for?

    Will my canvassing help swing things?
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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Next said:

    I did speak to a friend of mine yesterday (he's fairly right wing) and he did wonder after some spectacular failures of capitalism (the banks, the privatised utilities), if the country fancies a dose of socialism, and that's why Ed's policies are proving to be popular.

    Who encouraged the ridiculous gambles the banks made, that got them in trouble in the first place?

    Who bailed them out in the way that left taxpayers and good banks on the hook?

    Socialists.

    New Labour's gang of four wanted a source of funding independent of the unions.

    The banks wanted to be completely unregulated.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @MrJones

    Trying to debunk the academic studies on immigration? Tough work. Why dont you just say they were paid off by the Nomenklatura?
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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    TGOHF said:

    MrJones said:

    Hypothetical question

    Say you have a country with a population of 50 million and a working age population of 30 million - so 10% of the working age population is 3 million.

    Say the GDP per capita of the working age population is x.

    Say 80% of GDP comes from the working age population.

    Those numbers are just rough guesses but they're close enough to illustrate the point.

    Then if you import 3 million or 6 million working age people (10% or 20% of the working age population) with the same (or according to the replacement lobby, higher) per capita GDP over the course of 10 years then you should expect to see an increase of GDP of 8% or 16%.

    So after you strip out the effect of the credit bubble from 1998-2008 where is it?

    Its recorded as a liability as they will all want a state pension and health care when they reach 65+


    So then you Ponzi up on 3M more...
    Like Pringles, once you pop, you can't stop.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    edited November 2013

    Bobajob said:

    notme said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck it, renationalise the railways. This current situation of subsidizing the profits of Stagecoach, First and Virgin is the worst of socialism and capitalism combined.

    Railway privatisation has been an utterly stunning success, far outpacing anything predicted. Train journeys up, passenger usage up, investment up, safety numbers up.

    At four times the subsidy than they ever got under BR.

    I'm not sure that you're right with that claim. Did you see the link I posted earlier?

    See graph 2 in:
    http://www.slideshare.net/GaldeMerkline/transport-perspectivesrailjulyaug2013

    *If* that graph is right (and I haven't had the time to look for the raw figures), then the current (2010/2011 and 201/2012) subsidy to the railways isn't much greater than it was in the mid-1990s.

    If that is right, then the subsidy per passenger and passenger mile should be much less than it was in the 1990s due to the increased traffic.

    Where's your source for the four times subsidy?

    One thing that can be improved are payments by the TOCs to NR (track access charges). They need to be higher, to cope with NR's increasing debt.
    Integrate the pre and post privatisation graph payments top of page 5, doesn't look like 4 x to me either, but its a definite increase .
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    Bobajob said:

    antifrank said:

    Bobajob said:

    antifrank said:

    Bobajob said:

    notme said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck it, renationalise the railways. This current situation of subsidizing the profits of Stagecoach, First and Virgin is the worst of socialism and capitalism combined.

    Railway privatisation has been an utterly stunning success, far outpacing anything predicted. Train journeys up, passenger usage up, investment up, safety numbers up.

    At four times the subsidy than they ever got under BR.

    The state doesn't invest in nationalised industries.

    Neither does the private sector if that article is anywhere near right.
    given that I'm aware of several railways contractors who are seriously considering pulling out of such work because of the low margins, I strongly suspect it's rubbish.
    Shareholders creaming it all off and not paying the blokes who are doing the work? It happens, I hear
    You misunderstood my post.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,919

    Bobajob said:

    As well as improving on GNER, East Coast has just posted a surplus of £200m. To the taxpayer.
    Under GNER, this would have gone to shareholders.

    East Coast has in no way improved on GNER. The service is worse, the number of trains stopping at intermediate stations fewer, the punctuality worse and customer satisfaction way down.

    In every respect the service to passengers is far worse now than it was in the early 90s.
    In 2007 GNER was the worst performing train company for puctuality .
    You have to be careful about raw punctuality figures - many delays are caused by Network Rail, and as such are beyond the TOC's control. If there is alot of work on the line, then punctuality decreases. ISTR some figures take this into account.

    The ECML suffers from a large number of overhead line failures, due to the new (i.e. cheap and quick) way it was electrified.

    Besides, EC's punctuality seems to be well below average. I must admit that this surprised me.
    http://www.networkrail.co.uk/about/performance/

    And the nationalised Network Rail missed all its punctuality targets in England and Wales, and could get a multimillion fine:
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/jun/07/network-rail-fine-punctuality
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    Bobajob said:

    As well as improving on GNER, East Coast has just posted a surplus of £200m. To the taxpayer.
    Under GNER, this would have gone to shareholders.

    East Coast has in no way improved on GNER. The service is worse, the number of trains stopping at intermediate stations fewer, the punctuality worse and customer satisfaction way down.

    In every respect the service to passengers is far worse now than it was in the early 90s.
    In 2007 GNER was the worst performing train company for puctuality .
    In 2007 it was effectively no longer being run by Sea Containers as the parent company had already had the franchise removed in December 2006 It was simply a management shell so that the service could still continue.
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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Neil said:

    @MrJones

    Trying to debunk the academic studies on immigration? Tough work. Why dont you just say they were paid off by the Nomenklatura?

    Trying? Succeeding.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    edited November 2013
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    Carola said:
    Looks like Mark Pritchard
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    A by-election in the Wrekin would be interesting.

    A Tory Majority of over 9k Lab, with 8k Lib Dem voters in the seat
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805

    Carola said:
    Looks like Mark Pritchard
    Yes it is.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,919
    Bobajob said:
    Ah, thanks for that. It's from Christian Wolmar. Enough said. ;-)

    Note that book is from 2005. The chart I linked to (if accurate) gives a much clearer picture of the current situation.

    A question for you: given passenger numbers have doubled and freight has increased, on a network that had been shrinking for four decades, how much would you have expected subsidies to increase by to cope with the increased traffic safely?

    Note, I'm not saying that the current situation is anywhere near perfect. It's just not as broken as some make out. Or perhaps more accurately, not broken in the way people think, but in other ways. ;-)
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    On topic, I suspect it is Hammer Time for Mark Pritchard's career.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    MrJones said:

    Neil said:

    @MrJones

    Trying to debunk the academic studies on immigration? Tough work. Why dont you just say they were paid off by the Nomenklatura?

    Trying? Succeeding.
    Bless you.

    As successful as the BNP's electoral strategy.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    MrJones said:

    Next said:

    I did speak to a friend of mine yesterday (he's fairly right wing) and he did wonder after some spectacular failures of capitalism (the banks, the privatised utilities), if the country fancies a dose of socialism, and that's why Ed's policies are proving to be popular.

    Who encouraged the ridiculous gambles the banks made, that got them in trouble in the first place?

    Who bailed them out in the way that left taxpayers and good banks on the hook?

    Socialists.

    New Labour's gang of four wanted a source of funding independent of the unions.

    The banks wanted to be completely unregulated.
    The banks however werent completely unregulated. The FSA regulated the bank and employed over 3,500 people to do it.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    Twitter
    Edward Mayes ‏@eljmayes 31s
    Caroline Lucas on a protest march? What could possibly go wrong?
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Neil said:

    Think of the betting opportunities, think of Neil.

    Ireland to hold referendum on gay marriage

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/10429118/Ireland-to-hold-referendum-on-gay-marriage.html

    My main tip was for the referendum to happen next year. Didnt happen but was outrageous value from Paddy Power at the time. This one will be *fun*. Anyone wanting to see the sharp end of politics is welcome to join me canvassing in Donegal North East.
    Which side will you be campaigning for?

    Will my canvassing help swing things?
    I will be campaigning for the more profitable side ;)

    Maybe you could support this one from the sidelines. I mean your shoes might put the voters off.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Bobajob said:

    As well as improving on GNER, East Coast has just posted a surplus of £200m. To the taxpayer.
    Under GNER, this would have gone to shareholders.

    28% would have gone in corporation tax, and a good percent of the dividend would have gone in income tax.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,919
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    Neil said:

    Neil said:

    Think of the betting opportunities, think of Neil.

    Ireland to hold referendum on gay marriage

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/10429118/Ireland-to-hold-referendum-on-gay-marriage.html

    My main tip was for the referendum to happen next year. Didnt happen but was outrageous value from Paddy Power at the time. This one will be *fun*. Anyone wanting to see the sharp end of politics is welcome to join me canvassing in Donegal North East.
    Which side will you be campaigning for?

    Will my canvassing help swing things?
    I will be campaigning for the more profitable side ;)

    Maybe you could support this one from the sidelines. I mean your shoes might put the voters off.
    I keep on telling you those shoes are no more.

    Because there's been so few plebiscites in the UK in my lifetime (that I've been able to vote in), I wan't to take part in a lot of them.

    Plebiscites give me something.
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    Why I love Man City fans, their fans tonight, in their match against CSKA Moscow were chanting "Free Pussy Riot"

    Has to be the first political chant at a football match since the Chelsea fans sang to the Liverpool fans in the 2005 Rumbelows Cup final

    "There's only one Boris Johnson"
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    SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,650
    I wonder if The Telegraph have a series of revelations about MP`s and are slowly releasing them one by one.

    Expenses part 2?
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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    tim said:

    Good points, Mr. Jones.

    If you ignore the research, good points.

    "Even when compared to British people the same age and gender, immigrants were still 21% less likely to receive benefits"
    1) Does that graph use those adjusted figures for age or the ones without the adjustment?

    2) What would the graph look like with Illegal immigration included - especially if the graph used the stats adjusted for age and gender?
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    I hope it's not in New Mexico!
    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    Edward Mayes ‏@eljmayes 31s
    Caroline Lucas on a protest march? What could possibly go wrong?

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    SMukesh said:

    I wonder if The Telegraph have a series of revelations about MP`s and are slowly releasing them one by one.

    Expenses part 2?

    This looks like a sting, the big expenses story is in a few weeks re MPs and from whom they rent their offices from.
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    SMukesh said:

    I wonder if The Telegraph have a series of revelations about MP`s and are slowly releasing them one by one.

    Expenses part 2?

    Revenge for the Royal Charter?
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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Neil said:

    MrJones said:

    Neil said:

    @MrJones

    Trying to debunk the academic studies on immigration? Tough work. Why dont you just say they were paid off by the Nomenklatura?

    Trying? Succeeding.
    Bless you.

    As successful as the BNP's electoral strategy.
    1) None of these reports include the effect of illegal immigration.

    2) Where's the GDP?
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Ford's not going? Whhhhaaaaat?
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    I hear being drunk and on crack is an excuse for most things these days.
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    Carola said:

    Ford's not going? Whhhhaaaaat?

    Good, think of the future comedy value of him remaining Mayor.

    I haven't laughed this much since Anthony Weiner and his weiner were back in the headlines.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Carola said:

    I hear being drunk and on crack is an excuse for most things these days.
    Must try that at school if ever I lose it with a kid.
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    Carola said:

    I hear being drunk and on crack is an excuse for most things these days.
    Very reminiscent of Brian Cowen and his cough medicine/sore throat and his "drunk" interview.
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    Carola said:

    Carola said:

    I hear being drunk and on crack is an excuse for most things these days.
    Must try that at school if ever I lose it with a kid.
    Talking about teaching, what do teachers prefer, from parents, when their child insult Miss Teacher?

    Flowers, chocolate or booze?
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805

    Carola said:

    Carola said:

    I hear being drunk and on crack is an excuse for most things these days.
    Must try that at school if ever I lose it with a kid.
    Talking about teaching, what do teachers prefer, from parents, when their child insult Miss Teacher?

    Flowers, chocolate or booze?
    Booze, duh.
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    Carola said:

    Carola said:

    Carola said:

    I hear being drunk and on crack is an excuse for most things these days.
    Must try that at school if ever I lose it with a kid.
    Talking about teaching, what do teachers prefer, from parents, when their child insult Miss Teacher?

    Flowers, chocolate or booze?
    Booze, duh.
    Cheers
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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    MrJones said:

    Neil said:

    MrJones said:

    Neil said:

    @MrJones

    Trying to debunk the academic studies on immigration? Tough work. Why dont you just say they were paid off by the Nomenklatura?

    Trying? Succeeding.
    Bless you.

    As successful as the BNP's electoral strategy.
    1) None of these reports include the effect of illegal immigration.

    2) Where's the GDP?
    The answer to "where's the GDP?" btw is that driving down real incomes has created a hidden deflationary spiral and desperate attempts to boost GDP with even more immigration is only going to make the spiral worse.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    Pritchard responds so he does:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24827405
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,919
    Pulpstar said:

    Bobajob said:

    notme said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Fuck it, renationalise the railways. This current situation of subsidizing the profits of Stagecoach, First and Virgin is the worst of socialism and capitalism combined.

    Railway privatisation has been an utterly stunning success, far outpacing anything predicted. Train journeys up, passenger usage up, investment up, safety numbers up.

    At four times the subsidy than they ever got under BR.

    I'm not sure that you're right with that claim. Did you see the link I posted earlier?

    See graph 2 in:
    http://www.slideshare.net/GaldeMerkline/transport-perspectivesrailjulyaug2013

    *If* that graph is right (and I haven't had the time to look for the raw figures), then the current (2010/2011 and 201/2012) subsidy to the railways isn't much greater than it was in the mid-1990s.

    If that is right, then the subsidy per passenger and passenger mile should be much less than it was in the 1990s due to the increased traffic.

    Where's your source for the four times subsidy?

    One thing that can be improved are payments by the TOCs to NR (track access charges). They need to be higher, to cope with NR's increasing debt.
    Integrate the pre and post privatisation graph payments top of page 5, doesn't look like 4 x to me either, but its a definite increase .
    Integration, yay! (/maths geek)

    Yep, but the spike in the mid-late 2000s was very much a reaction to:
    1) a large increase in traffic.
    2) years of chronic underinvestment, which led indirectly to the Hatfield crash. This had to be corrected, and required vast investment. According to the link I posted earlier, only 15% of the money spent on infrastructure since privatisation has been on enhancements. The rest has been spent on maintenance.

    Note the subsidies have been decreasing for the last five years. (I wonder if Crossrail is included in the NR costs; if so, that too will skew the figures).
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    FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Clegg should use the drunk excuse for forming the Coalition.

    Or making the tuition fees pledge.

    Or joining the Lib Dems
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    Freggles said:

    Clegg should use the drunk excuse for forming the Coalition.

    Or making the tuition fees pledge.

    Or joining the Lib Dems

    He should go for the Bill Clinton route

    "I did not have political relations with that man, Mr Cameron"
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,298
    edited November 2013
    Oh god, I've now got this really bad image involving, Nick Clegg, David Cameron and a cigar.

    I'm sorry, I'm so sorry.

    I'll exile myself to conhome.
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    Neil said:

    Anyone wanting to see the sharp end of politics is welcome to join me canvassing in Donegal North East.

    Now you're talking.

    Only thing is, would Uncle JohnO and I actually be a help or a hindrance?

    Maybe a better plan would be if we stay in a pub and wait for you to return (scathed or unscathed) to tell us all about it.
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