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SystemSystem Posts: 6,666
edited June 3 in General
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  • eekeek Posts: 3,904
    Your fourth paragraph gives me concerns about the question and the timing of any withdrawal. is it enough that election papers are sent out or would the vote need to be counted?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 23,828
    edited June 3
    Fecund.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,870
    Lots of new endorsements for Boris on this Twitter page:

    https://twitter.com/BackBoris
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,750
    Ah, undefined discussion subject. The most mysterious of topics.

    Whilst short odds, the tip does look good.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 2,344
    > @eek said:
    > Your fourth paragraph gives me concerns about the question and the timing of any withdrawal. is it enough that election papers are sent out or would the vote need to be counted?

    I can't speak for PaddyPower, but if I were them I'd say the vote would have to be counted and declared for the ballot to have taken place.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    Boris looks to have the 'big mo' with his hostage to fortune October 31st pledge.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 25,690
    The worry in relation to this bet is that Boris may come to look so inevitable that everyone else drops out. The wave of support from MPs for him today really should see him into the final 2.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 46,525
    DavidL said:

    The worry in relation to this bet is that Boris may come to look so inevitable that everyone else drops out.

    They did that last time...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    This time round Boris has no 'key backer' - I don't see who can 'do a Gove' on him this contest.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 25,690
    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    The worry in relation to this bet is that Boris may come to look so inevitable that everyone else drops out.

    They did that last time...
    Indeed. I take TSE's point about the egos etc but Boris has moved ahead strongly today from the front.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 25,690
    Scott_P said:

    DavidL said:

    The worry in relation to this bet is that Boris may come to look so inevitable that everyone else drops out.

    They did that last time...
    Indeed. I take TSE's point about the egos etc but Boris has moved ahead strongly today from the front.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,870
    edited June 3
    Boris has reached 40 endorsements:

    Boris 40
    Gove 29
    Hunt 29
    Raab 23
    Javid 17
    Hancock 13
    Harper 7, Malthouse 7, McVey 6, Stewart 5, Cleverly 4, Leadsom 4, Gyimah 1.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 10,908
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > This time round Boris has no 'key backer' - I don't see who can 'do a Gove' on him this contest.

    Mogg.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,750
    Mr. JS, be interesting to see if eliminated contenders prefer a leader whose views align with their own, or who they think will fail quickly and give them a second crack.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    Floater said:
    Here's his webpage for a good laugh : https://davidprescott.wordpress.com/
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 8,445
    What's the deal?

    Back Boris and he promises not to have an affair with your wife?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 7,760
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > > @Scott_P said:
    >
    > >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Good luck with that
    >
    > Here's his webpage for a good laugh : https://davidprescott.wordpress.com/

    Not exactly prolific is he :-)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,750
    Mr. Rentool, the deal is that Boris pretends he'll leave on 31 October, and MPs pretend they believe him.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 24,387
    It does look as if the movement is towards Boris and only he could get away with his 31st October pledge

    I suspect labour and others fear Boris the most and to be honest, maybe Boris can succeed in seeing labour rid themselves of Corbyn and his close associates

    I still will not vote Boris but it is difficult to see past him, especially in view of the number of nonentities standing for the contest
  • Animal_pbAnimal_pb Posts: 417
    > @SandyRentool said:
    > What's the deal?
    >
    > Back Boris and he promises not to have an affair with your wife?

    No, these are MPs: back Boris and he promises not to have an affair with your *mistress*.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,870
    > @Morris_Dancer said:
    > Mr. JS, be interesting to see if eliminated contenders prefer a leader whose views align with their own, or who they think will fail quickly and give them a second crack.

    IMO they'll go for the candidate whose views are closest to their own. Most of Hancock's supporters will probably back Hunt.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 2,935
    > @Morris_Dancer said:
    > Mr. Rentool, the deal is that Boris pretends he'll leave on 31 October, and MPs pretend they believe him.

    It sounds like the deal with May. Or maybe not the second part.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 24,387
    Off topic but I had no idea that there are quite a few rules changes in football which came in on the 1st June but did not apply in the Champions league Final

    Some sensible, some not so
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    Which of the hardcore ERG has the most Brexit party favourable constituency... potential November by-election triggered upon Boris' pack of lies ?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472

    Off topic but I had no idea that there are quite a few rules changes in football which came in on the 1st June but did not apply in the Champions league Final



    Some sensible, some not so

    Kicking a ball at an opponent's hand probably the % play if you're at the edge of the box now.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,870
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > Which of the hardcore ERG has the most Brexit party favourable constituency... potential November by-election triggered upon Boris' pack of lies ?

    Mark Francois's constituency probably wouldn't have any problem voting for the Brexit Party if he recommended it.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 18,172
    edited June 3
    AndyJS said:

    Boris has reached 40 endorsements:

    Boris 40
    Gove 29
    Hunt 29
    Raab 23
    Javid 17
    Hancock 13
    Harper 7, Malthouse 7, McVey 6, Stewart 5, Cleverly 4, Leadsom 4, Gyimah 1.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0

    Great spreadsheet, as ever.

    Interesting that some of the more "out there"* ERGers are holding fire on endorsements. Or on public endorsements at least.

    *yes this is code for absolute ****** *********.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 5,246

    It does look as if the movement is towards Boris and only he could get away with his 31st October pledge

    I suspect labour and others fear Boris the most and to be honest, maybe Boris can succeed in seeing labour rid themselves of Corbyn and his close associates

    I still will not vote Boris but it is difficult to see past him, especially in view of the number of nonentities standing for the contest

    First, these are "endorsements", not votes and the more politically astute might realise the value of supporting one candidate publicly and voting for another candidate in the privacy of the ballot box.

    Second, 40 out of 317 or so is hardly a surge of confidence - it's meaningless. Ken Clarke had plenty of support in a crowded field in 1997 - for all the good it did him.

    I don't see Boris's commitment as any different from that of Leadsom yesterday. Both are quite prepared to leave the EU without a WA on 31/10 and have realised the huge damage being done to the Conservative Party through the inertia of being trapped in the current situation will only get worse to the point of being an existential threat to the future of the Party itself.

    By trying to "break free" on 31/10 (as it were), they are hoping to break the political deadlock and escape the quicksand dragging the Party down. I get that but the uncertain consequences of leaving without an agreed WA with the EU may prove more deleterious for the economy and the country even if less so for the Party.

    It comes back, as it so often does, to whether what works for the country is or should be more important than what works for the Party.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 407
    On topic, can anyone answer eek's question about whether the market is settled on the calling of a vote or the completion of the count?

    Off topic, England getting a bit behind the rate here.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 28,798
    > @TOPPING said:
    > Boris has reached 40 endorsements:
    >
    > Boris 40
    > Gove 29
    > Hunt 29
    > Raab 23
    > Javid 17
    > Hancock 13
    > Harper 7, Malthouse 7, McVey 6, Stewart 5, Cleverly 4, Leadsom 4, Gyimah 1.
    >
    > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0
    >
    > Great spreadsheet, as ever.
    >
    > Interesting that some of the more "out there"* ERGers are holding fire on endorsements. Or on public endorsements at least.
    >
    > *yes this is code for absolute ****** *********.

    Presumably waiting for Brexit Hardman Steve Baker to enter the race.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 2,344
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > Which of the hardcore ERG has the most Brexit party favourable constituency... potential November by-election triggered upon Boris' pack of lies ?

    Mark Francois in Rayleigh and Wickford probably. Alternatively Jackie Doyle-Price is apparently an ERG member and MP for Thurrock. Brandon Lewis doesn't strike me as hardcore, but he's apparently a member also and is MP for Great Yarmouth.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472

    > @TOPPING said:

    > Boris has reached 40 endorsements:

    >

    > Boris 40

    > Gove 29

    > Hunt 29

    > Raab 23

    > Javid 17

    > Hancock 13

    > Harper 7, Malthouse 7, McVey 6, Stewart 5, Cleverly 4, Leadsom 4, Gyimah 1.

    >

    > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0

    >

    > Great spreadsheet, as ever.

    >

    > Interesting that some of the more "out there"* ERGers are holding fire on endorsements. Or on public endorsements at least.

    >

    > *yes this is code for absolute ****** *********.



    Presumably waiting for Brexit Hardman Steve Baker to enter the race.

    He'll be working out whether to give the nod to Raab, Boris or run himself I think - could be a potential kingmaker if lots of other hardcore ERG follow his recommendation
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 24,387
    > @stodge said:
    > It does look as if the movement is towards Boris and only he could get away with his 31st October pledge
    >
    > I suspect labour and others fear Boris the most and to be honest, maybe Boris can succeed in seeing labour rid themselves of Corbyn and his close associates
    >
    > I still will not vote Boris but it is difficult to see past him, especially in view of the number of nonentities standing for the contest
    >
    > First, these are "endorsements", not votes and the more politically astute might realise the value of supporting one candidate publicly and voting for another candidate in the privacy of the ballot box.
    >
    > Second, 40 out of 317 or so is hardly a surge of confidence - it's meaningless. Ken Clarke had plenty of support in a crowded field in 1997 - for all the good it did him.
    >
    > I don't see Boris's commitment as any different from that of Leadsom yesterday. Both are quite prepared to leave the EU without a WA on 31/10 and have realised the huge damage being done to the Conservative Party through the inertia of being trapped in the current situation will only get worse to the point of being an existential threat to the future of the Party itself.
    >
    > By trying to "break free" on 31/10 (as it were), they are hoping to break the political deadlock and escape the quicksand dragging the Party down. I get that but the uncertain consequences of leaving without an agreed WA with the EU may prove more deleterious for the economy and the country even if less so for the Party.
    >
    > It comes back, as it so often does, to whether what works for the country is or should be more important than what works for the Party.

    One word for it - 'Politics'
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 18,172
    Pulpstar said:

    He'll be working out whether to give the nod to Raab, Boris or run himself I think - could be a potential kingmaker if lots of other hardcore ERG follow his recommendation

    Yes although others have jumped feet first for Johnson (eg. Mogg, Mad Nad, etc).
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 7,423
    Is Boris transfer-friendly in this electorate?

    Perhaps MPs not willing to support him in the first ballot will prefer to find someone, anyone, else to back in subsequent ballots. If they divide roughly evenly between two other candidates (Hunt and Raab, say) then you could easily see Boris end up third or fourth, even if he leads the first ballot.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 347
    AndyJS said:

    Boris has reached 40 endorsements:



    Boris 40

    Gove 29

    Hunt 29

    Raab 23

    Javid 17

    Hancock 13

    Harper 7, Malthouse 7, McVey 6, Stewart 5, Cleverly 4, Leadsom 4, Gyimah 1.



    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0

    If Gyimah doesn't get at least 2 backers, I assume he can't put his name forward? He needs a nominator and a seconder, right?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,750
    Mr. Valiant, there's also a rumour the rules will be changed so each MP needs 10-12 declared supporters in order to stand.
  • isamisam Posts: 27,192
    Quincel said:

    > @Pulpstar said:

    > Which of the hardcore ERG has the most Brexit party favourable constituency... potential November by-election triggered upon Boris' pack of lies ?



    Mark Francois in Rayleigh and Wickford probably. Alternatively Jackie Doyle-Price is apparently an ERG member and MP for Thurrock. Brandon Lewis doesn't strike me as hardcore, but he's apparently a member also and is MP for Great Yarmouth.

    Jackie Doyle Price is a remainer isn't she?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,182

    It does look as if the movement is towards Boris and only he could get away with his 31st October pledge
    I suspect labour and others fear Boris the most and to be honest, maybe Boris can succeed in seeing labour rid themselves of Corbyn and his close associates

    I still will not vote Boris but it is difficult to see past him...

    He's not quite that fat.

  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 347

    Mr. Valiant, there's also a rumour the rules will be changed so each MP needs 10-12 declared supporters in order to stand.

    That's a dangerous rule change to make. What happens after the next GE when the Tories are reduced to 4 MPs?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,750
    Mr. Valiant, easy to change, as the 1922 Committee will be one person.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 23,828
    Off-topic:

    It looks as though the M4 Newport relief road might be dropped by the Welsh government.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48497713
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 347

    Mr. Valiant, easy to change, as the 1922 Committee will be one person.

    That many?! Could be a bit optimistic.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    TOPPING said:

    Pulpstar said:

    He'll be working out whether to give the nod to Raab, Boris or run himself I think - could be a potential kingmaker if lots of other hardcore ERG follow his recommendation

    Yes although others have jumped feet first for Johnson (eg. Mogg, Mad Nad, etc).
    Final MV Noe + Brexit Group I make the 'hardcore' ERG group + Drax (Repented from MV2)

    Raab: (4) Baron , Braverman, Jenkyns, Morris

    Boris : (4) Bone, Bridgen, Jones D, Rosindell

    Uncommitted: (21) Afriyie, Baker, Cash, Chope, Drax, Duddridge, Francois, Fysh, Hollobone, Holloway, Jayawardena, Jenkin, Lewis J, Lopez, Mackinlay, Patel, Patterson, Redwood, Robertson L, Rowley, Villiers
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 34,434
    England aren't going to win this match. All out for 250.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 25,690

    England aren't going to win this match. All out for 250.

    They have been well off the pace today. But while there's Buttler there is hope.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,870
    edited June 3
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    AndyJS said:
    He's definitely in my core ERG group, so Boris now ahead 5-4 of Raab within that group.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 25,690
    edited June 3
    AndyJS said:
    He seems to already be on @AndyJS's spreadsheet.

    Edit, sorry I didn't notice who had posted that. 41?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 28,798
    Someone should say, “I’m backing Boris, because he can be trusted not to keep his promises.”
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,870
    > @TheValiant said:
    > Boris has reached 40 endorsements:
    >
    >
    >
    > Boris 40
    >
    > Gove 29
    >
    > Hunt 29
    >
    > Raab 23
    >
    > Javid 17
    >
    > Hancock 13
    >
    > Harper 7, Malthouse 7, McVey 6, Stewart 5, Cleverly 4, Leadsom 4, Gyimah 1.
    >
    >
    >
    > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0
    >
    > If Gyimah doesn't get at least 2 backers, I assume he can't put his name forward? He needs a nominator and a seconder, right?

    Yep, he must have those arranged but they haven't been announced yet.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 984

    Off-topic:



    It looks as though the M4 Newport relief road might be dropped by the Welsh government.



    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48497713

    What is the alternative. Bigger tunnels North of Newport?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 34,434
    > @DavidL said:
    > England aren't going to win this match. All out for 250.
    >
    > They have been well off the pace today. But while there's Buttler there is hope.

    Believe in the bin, I mean Buttler.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,870
    > @DavidL said:
    > Another Boris backer.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > He seems to already be on @AndyJS's spreadsheet.

    I added him about a minute ago.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 25,690

    Someone should say, “I’m backing Boris, because he can be trusted not to keep his promises.”

    Yeah, that would get you a great job in the new administration that would.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    AndyJS said:

    > @TheValiant said:

    > Boris has reached 40 endorsements:

    >

    >

    >

    > Boris 40

    >

    > Gove 29

    >

    > Hunt 29

    >

    > Raab 23

    >

    > Javid 17

    >

    > Hancock 13

    >

    > Harper 7, Malthouse 7, McVey 6, Stewart 5, Cleverly 4, Leadsom 4, Gyimah 1.

    >

    >

    >

    > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0

    >

    > If Gyimah doesn't get at least 2 backers, I assume he can't put his name forward? He needs a nominator and a seconder, right?



    Yep, he must have those arranged but they haven't been announced yet.

    Dominic Grieve to nominate, Phillip Lee to second ?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    OK we're officially in the shit now.
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 2,344
    > @isam said:
    > > @Pulpstar said:
    >
    > > Which of the hardcore ERG has the most Brexit party favourable constituency... potential November by-election triggered upon Boris' pack of lies ?
    >
    >
    >
    > Mark Francois in Rayleigh and Wickford probably. Alternatively Jackie Doyle-Price is apparently an ERG member and MP for Thurrock. Brandon Lewis doesn't strike me as hardcore, but he's apparently a member also and is MP for Great Yarmouth.
    >
    > Jackie Doyle Price is a remainer isn't she?

    So she is, I was just going off the list of ERG members on Wikipedia. Maybe she joined but as a critical observer more than a believer, but the Wikipedia page links to her IPSA records where she has charged as an expense her subscription fees.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 34,434
    edited June 3
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > OK we're officially in the shit now.

    Good job England bat deep*.....I wouldn't send in Buttler next.

    * today we don't. Wood is a rabbit, compared to Plunkett / Curran.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,870
    Maria Miller and Helen Grant are supporting Raab. Slightly surprising IMO since I didn't have either down as potentially hard Brexiteers.

    https://twitter.com/ReadyForRaab
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 7,057
    "cannot see this bet losing"
    Freudian slip?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    Quincel said:


    So she is, I was just going off the list of ERG members on Wikipedia. Maybe she joined but as a critical observer more than a believer, but the Wikipedia page links to her IPSA records where she has charged as an expense her subscription fees.

    I'm going off the bods that voted down the final MV (Division 395) and aren't clear remainers. + Richard Drax.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,182
    > @FrancisUrquhart said:
    > > @Pulpstar said:
    > > OK we're officially in the shit now.
    >
    > Good job England bat deep.....I wouldn't send in Buttler next.

    Sending in a nightwatchman is perhaps a little unorthodox in the one day game...
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 2,344
    > @TheValiant said:
    > Mr. Valiant, there's also a rumour the rules will be changed so each MP needs 10-12 declared supporters in order to stand.
    >
    > That's a dangerous rule change to make. What happens after the next GE when the Tories are reduced to 4 MPs?

    I read on Twitter today that the rules don't carry over, and the 1922 Committee get to write the rules every time (they are meeting tomorrow). If true that seems awfully dodgy - rules should be clear in advance so they are fair for contestants.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 34,434
    edited June 3
    > @Nigelb said:
    > > @FrancisUrquhart said:
    > > > @Pulpstar said:
    > > > OK we're officially in the shit now.
    > >
    > > Good job England bat deep.....I wouldn't send in Buttler next.
    >
    > Sending in a nightwatchman is perhaps a little unorthodox in the one day game...

    I would go with Ali.

    I honestly don't see how England can get another 230 from here at 8 an over.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,870
    > @Quincel said:
    > > @TheValiant said:
    > > Mr. Valiant, there's also a rumour the rules will be changed so each MP needs 10-12 declared supporters in order to stand.
    > >
    > > That's a dangerous rule change to make. What happens after the next GE when the Tories are reduced to 4 MPs?
    >
    > I read on Twitter today that the rules don't carry over, and the 1922 Committee get to write the rules every time (they are meeting tomorrow). If true that seems awfully dodgy - rules should be clear in advance so they are fair for contestants.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see them changing the rules so votes can be held on Wednesdays as well as Tuesdays and Thursdays.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    Root 100, and Buttler 50 at least needed I think now.
  • isamisam Posts: 27,192
    Quincel said:

    > @isam said:

    > > @Pulpstar said:

    >

    > > Which of the hardcore ERG has the most Brexit party favourable constituency... potential November by-election triggered upon Boris' pack of lies ?

    >

    >

    >

    > Mark Francois in Rayleigh and Wickford probably. Alternatively Jackie Doyle-Price is apparently an ERG member and MP for Thurrock. Brandon Lewis doesn't strike me as hardcore, but he's apparently a member also and is MP for Great Yarmouth.

    >

    > Jackie Doyle Price is a remainer isn't she?



    So she is, I was just going off the list of ERG members on Wikipedia. Maybe she joined but as a critical observer more than a believer, but the Wikipedia page links to her IPSA records where she has charged as an expense her subscription fees.

    Delving into it, she seems to have campaigned for Remain but now converted to Leave. Probably the only way she can keep her seat
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 34,434
    edited June 3
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > Root 100, and Buttler 50 at least needed I think now.

    Need more than that, that would only be 90 off the 220 needed. Both need to be getting 100 and / or Root getting a massive 100.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 14,061
    Pulpstar said:

    OK we're officially in the shit now.

    Pulpstar said:

    OK we're officially in the shit now.

    Yeah, well, that’s Brexit for you. :)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,870
    edited June 3
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > > @TheValiant said:
    >
    > > Boris has reached 40 endorsements:

    > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1feCjt98HJcY9tlc5Zx78ZoSOC2fN-j0vRVFD5eUTbUE/edit#gid=0
    >
    > >
    >
    > > If Gyimah doesn't get at least 2 backers, I assume he can't put his name forward? He needs a nominator and a seconder, right?
    >
    >
    >
    > Yep, he must have those arranged but they haven't been announced yet.
    >
    > Dominic Grieve to nominate, Phillip Lee to second ?

    +1
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,182
    > @Cyclefree said:
    > OK we're officially in the shit now.
    >
    > OK we're officially in the shit now.
    >
    > Yeah, well, that’s Brexit for you. :)

    Twice over.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,870
    England are 5/2 to win with Betfair Exchange. Seems very generous.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    I hope these announcements keep coming seeing as I've laid the favorite mother in the contest for as much as I dare.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,182
    edited June 3
    > @AndyJS said:
    > England are 5/2 to win with Betfair Exchange. Seems very generous.

    4/1 might be considered such.

    "England needed 201 to win this. The most they've made in the last 25 overs to win a game since 2015 is 170..."
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    At the halfway mark, England needed 201 to win this. The most they've made in the last 25 overs to win a game since 2015 is 170, in the opening game of the 2017 Champions Trophy against Bangladesh.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 34,434
    Cricviz have it 66% for Pakistan to win.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,870
    > @Pulpstar said:
    > I hope these announcements keep coming seeing as I've laid the favorite mother in the contest for as much as I dare.

    I don't understand who's backing Andrea Leadsom to make her third favourite on Betfair Exchange. Of 186 endorsements so far she has 4 including herself.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.125574963
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 9,772
    > @FrancisUrquhart said:
    > Cricviz have it 66% for Pakistan to win.

    England have never made more than 170 in the back 25.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    Sir Greg backs Boris, taking him to 42.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 34,434
    > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
    > > @FrancisUrquhart said:
    > > Cricviz have it 66% for Pakistan to win.
    >
    > England have never made more than 170 in the back 25.

    That's an incredible stat, considering England have broken 400 and regularly get 100+ in the last 10.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 9,772
    > @FrancisUrquhart said:
    > > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
    > > > @FrancisUrquhart said:
    > > > Cricviz have it 66% for Pakistan to win.
    > >
    > > England have never made more than 170 in the back 25.
    >
    > That's an incredible stat, considering England have broken 400 and regularly get 100+ in the last 10.

    I think that is chasing only, to be fair. And to actually have been successful in that chase.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,870
    Boris obviously has a plan to roll out these endorsements at regular intervals.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 9,772
    > @AndyJS said:
    > Boris obviously has a plan to roll out these endorsements at regular intervals.

    I don't know about that, they appear to be today rather than spread over too long
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 34,434
    > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
    > > @FrancisUrquhart said:
    > > > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
    > > > > @FrancisUrquhart said:
    > > > > Cricviz have it 66% for Pakistan to win.
    > > >
    > > > England have never made more than 170 in the back 25.
    > >
    > > That's an incredible stat, considering England have broken 400 and regularly get 100+ in the last 10.
    >
    > I think that is chasing only, to be fair. And to actually have been successful in that chase.
    >
    >

    That makes more sense.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 8,802
    > @FrancisUrquhart said:
    > > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
    > > > @FrancisUrquhart said:
    > > > > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
    > > > > > @FrancisUrquhart said:
    > > > > > Cricviz have it 66% for Pakistan to win.
    > > > >
    > > > > England have never made more than 170 in the back 25.
    > > >
    > > > That's an incredible stat, considering England have broken 400 and regularly get 100+ in the last 10.
    > >
    > > I think that is chasing only, to be fair. And to actually have been successful in that chase.
    > >
    > >
    >
    > That makes more sense.

    And the successful chases probably won't have needed 170+ in the back 25 too :D
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    May's premiership could look like a triumph when we're still in the EU come 1st November if Bojo gets in.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 25,690

    > @AndyJS said:

    > Boris obviously has a plan to roll out these endorsements at regular intervals.



    I don't know about that, they appear to be today rather than spread over too long

    Agreed. Today seems blitzkrieg to me but will it prove to be Operation Barbarossa (sorry, the ERG types are infecting my metaphors).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,182
    > @AndyJS said:
    > Boris obviously has a plan to roll out these endorsements at regular intervals.

    Am I the only one to find the quotettes accompanying each endorsement more than a little creepy ?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 49,750
    Mr. Pulpstar, possibly.

    Although she'll likely suffer Cameron's problem. Whatever happens, if it works she won't get the credit, and if it fails she'll receive some blame for failing to avoid it.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,870
    > @Nigelb said:
    > > @AndyJS said:
    > > Boris obviously has a plan to roll out these endorsements at regular intervals.
    >
    > Am I the only one to find the quotettes accompanying each endorsement more than a little creepy ?

    No.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 25,690
    AndyJS said:

    > @Nigelb said:

    > > @AndyJS said:

    > > Boris obviously has a plan to roll out these endorsements at regular intervals.

    >

    > Am I the only one to find the quotettes accompanying each endorsement more than a little creepy ?



    No.

    Tend to agree but it also looks quite professional and well funded. Standard formatting etc. It will have an impact.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 18,172
    Pulpstar said:

    May's premiership could look like a triumph when we're still in the EU come 1st November if Bojo gets in.

    I don't think triumph but some people will certainly realise what she was trying to achieve and why she ended up in the position she ended up in.

    That great tweet the other day which I wish I'd kept which said "can we just skip to the part where whoever takes over from Theresa May realises that her deal is the only game in town". Or something similar and equally acute.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 26,870
    Dominic Raab hasn't received any endorsements for a long time and he's still one short of the number needed to guarantee advancement to the second round.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,472
    AndyJS said:

    Dominic Raab hasn't received any endorsements for a long time and he's still one short of the number needed to guarantee advancement to the second round.

    Raab's problem is that he's in the same 'lane' as Boris I think now.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 25,690
    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Dominic Raab hasn't received any endorsements for a long time and he's still one short of the number needed to guarantee advancement to the second round.

    Raab's problem is that he's in the same 'lane' as Boris I think now.
    If only that was his only problem. His period at DexEU made Boris' time in the FO look like an unalloyed success.
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