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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,766
    Ah, a new thread.
    Perhaps more even tempered than the last ?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 21,028
    Catch 22 of Brexit.

    Going to the country before Brexit will be dreadful.
    Getting Brexit done without going to the country seems to be impossible.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,766
    Boris might want all sorts of things, but there is the small matter of the October deadline to finesse - a word not entirely associated with the buffoon.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 11,138
    Classic Nick Kyrgios press conference this evening.
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 639
    None of the parties are financially ready for a GE. I also think the Brecon result will be important in people's thinking.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 29,250
    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 29,186

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    If Boris is using Lynton Crosby now, doesn’t it suggest he’s already planning to go to the country?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 21,028

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    If Boris is using Lynton Crosby now, doesn’t it suggest he’s already planning to go to the country?
    No, I think it suggests nothing more than that he is taking this election seriously.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 19,234
    edited July 4
    I still don’t see an election this year.

    Laying 2022 at 4.4 is however an excellent bet
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 14,955
    tlg86 said:

    Classic Nick Kyrgios press conference this evening.

    Up to a point. Kyrgios was just a baw hair away taking responsibility for his own lack of commitment & it keeping him from a Grand Slam, then it was back to whining about the umpire & macho pish about aiming for Nadal's chest with his return. Once he realises that the best way to really annoy people would be to win a Grand Slam he might turn the corner.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 30,634

    tlg86 said:

    Classic Nick Kyrgios press conference this evening.

    Up to a point. Kyrgios was just a baw hair away taking responsibility for his own lack of commitment & it keeping him from a Grand Slam, then it was back to whining about the umpire & macho pish about aiming for Nadal's chest with his return. Once he realises that the best way to really annoy people would be to win a Grand Slam he might turn the corner.
    Apparently Nick prefers playing basketball over tennis.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 1,686
    I doubt an election will occur unless it is forced.

    I think a comparative situation is 1990-1991, when John Major replaced a very unpopular Margret Thatcher. The economy was sliding into recession, the poll tax was causing social rebellion and things were focussed on international relations. The Tories could have gone for an election in 1991 in the wake of the first gulf war. Britain had after all been a significant contributor of military assets, a force we no longer have in the numbers we had then! No election happened then but the Tories did have a substantial parliamentry majority, which they dont have now.

    Elections and specifically General elections take months to organise, I dont see the activity in fundraising, political contact and the like taking place at the moment. So I dont think a GE will happen this year.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 47,080
    Literally, raining on Trump's parade...

  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,801
    I see on the earlier thread there is a post about this changing of the May Day holiday.

    Not much bothered about Morris dancers but what I am bothered about is the impact on people and businesses who have planned stuff, like weddings.

    Either the government should make both the Friday and the Monday holidays, or they should reverse the change.

    Dickheads, whoever came up with this wheeze.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 14,972
    edited July 4

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    If Boris is using Lynton Crosby now, doesn’t it suggest he’s already planning to go to the country?
    I've always through the leadership contest would in effect fact be the first act in a general election campaign (that's why Boris is limiting his media appearences IMO - as he'll have to do it all over again in September and October)

    I think the election will be called on 5th September when Parliament returns from recess.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,311
    By far the biggest judgement call Boris will have to make is when to call a GE whilst Corbyn remains Labour leader, since this is the only possible basis on which he and the Tories have any chance of remaing in power.
    Labour Party members must know in their heart of hearts that they have sunk so low in the polls that a new, probably far more moderate leader is what is required to virtually gauarantee their return to office, be it this year, next year or whenever.
    Should the likes of, say, Keir Starmer win the big prize, it's not difficult to envisage Labour's support leaping into the 30%+ range in no time at all.
    Boris' problem in the short term, even with Corbyn still in place, is that the Tories are in severe danger of finishing with a voting support level in the low 20% range, thereby finding themselves forced out of office by a Labour/LibDem/SNP coalition.
    Btw with a 2019 GE looking increasingly likely, does anyone agree with me that Ladbrokes' odds of 1.75 (3/4 in old money) on there NOT being an overall majority, looks like stonking good value?
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,311

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    I can't argue with that Casino, but who do you see winning?
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 1,686
    GIN1138 said:

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    If Boris is using Lynton Crosby now, doesn’t it suggest he’s already planning to go to the country?
    I've always through the leadership contest would in effect fact be the first act in a general election campaign (that's why Boris is limiting his media appearences IMO - as he'll have to do it all over again in September and October)

    I think the election will be called on 5th September when Parliament returns from recess.
    Interesting thinking. I think snap general elections tend to have negative consequences for incumbant parties that have been in power a while i.e 2017, 1974, 1951. Since the second world war i can think of only 1966 and the second 1974 election when a new administration got an improved mandate. The 1955 election it is true increased the Tory majority but i believe it was strategically planned to change leader around the time the Tories needed to go to the country again
  • RogerRoger Posts: 11,556
    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 14,955
    GIN1138 said:

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    If Boris is using Lynton Crosby now, doesn’t it suggest he’s already planning to go to the country?
    I've always through the leadership contest would in effect fact be the first act in a general election campaign (that's why Boris is limiting his media appearences IMO - as he'll have to do it all over again in September and October)

    I think the election will be called on 5th September when Parliament returns from recess.
    What would Churchill do?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 15,190
    _Anazina_ said:

    I see on the earlier thread there is a post about this changing of the May Day holiday.

    Not much bothered about Morris dancers but what I am bothered about is the impact on people and businesses who have planned stuff, like weddings.

    Either the government should make both the Friday and the Monday holidays, or they should reverse the change.

    Dickheads, whoever came up with this wheeze.

    The idea is good, but it should have been announced a lot earlier. You'd think the Tories would have a better idea of the need for businesses and individuals to be able to plan.........
    Oh!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,766
    edited July 4
    Interesting - a realistic cost for a 100% renewable US electric grid is around 20-25% of GDP:
    https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/renewable-us-grid-for-4-5-trillion#gs.mwo7uu

    (And that’s assuming no improvement on today’s technology, which is exceedingly pessimistic.)

    Spread over 10 years, that’s affordable; over 20 years, relatively cheap.
    (The US spends over 3% of GDP annually on defence.)

    Also interesting is that is that it would be around 10% cheaper if an element of nuclear was retained - even though direct generation costs of nuclear are
    quite a bit more than renewables.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 15,190

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    I can't argue with that Casino, but who do you see winning?
    Labour, with a Confidence and Supply arrangement with the SNP and LibDems. I don't see the latter going anywhere near a 'proper' coalition for a while.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 1,924
    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,766
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    A Government of All the Shits.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 8,548
    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    I had her down as Foreign Sec. McVey for the Home Office. The Truss at No. 11
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 8,548
    Nigelb said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    A Government of All the Shits.

    Well Bozo certainly is cack-handed.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,311

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    I can't argue with that Casino, but who do you see winning?
    Labour, with a Confidence and Supply arrangement with the SNP and LibDems. I don't see the latter going anywhere near a 'proper' coalition for a while.
    At least two major assumptions there - firstly that Labour wins more seats than the LibDems and secondly that The LibDems would be prepared to give their suppost to a Marxist Labour-led Government.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 25,859

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    I had her down as Foreign Sec. McVey for the Home Office. The Truss at No. 11
    I thought it was impossible to imagine the next cabinet being weaker than the present one. Clearly I was wrong.

    In fact you begin to see how Grayling has lasted so long.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 44,977
    Fenman said:

    None of the parties are financially ready for a GE. I also think the Brecon result will be important in people's thinking.

    I'm not so sure about that. If the Tories lose one might think they will be wary of going to the country, but that doesn't seem like it will matter because most of the options have already been closed off and most of those that remain either guarantee or at least carry the risk that they will not be able to sustain a majority. Labour might be quaking a bit too, but at least have the option of making a decisive shift at last and hoping that secures their position a bit better. And if the Tories win in Brecon Labour might not be so keen as the Tory vote will have held up better than expected, but equally their hands may be forced as the Tories still won't have the votes to get anything through (no, rebel Labour MPs will not emerge in enough numbers to see something through) and things then get away from everyone.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 15,190

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    I can't argue with that Casino, but who do you see winning?
    Labour, with a Confidence and Supply arrangement with the SNP and LibDems. I don't see the latter going anywhere near a 'proper' coalition for a while.
    At least two major assumptions there - firstly that Labour wins more seats than the LibDems and secondly that The LibDems would be prepared to give their suppost to a Marxist Labour-led Government.
    I was a Liberal activist for some dozen years and saw too many false dawns, where we were going to get 150 or whatever seats. I remain to be convinced that things have changed 'that much'.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 44,977
    edited July 4

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    I can't argue with that Casino, but who do you see winning?
    Labour, with a Confidence and Supply arrangement with the SNP and LibDems. I don't see the latter going anywhere near a 'proper' coalition for a while.
    At least two major assumptions there - firstly that Labour wins more seats than the LibDems and secondly that The LibDems would be prepared to give their suppost to a Marxist Labour-led Government.
    Depends what you mean by support. They clearly won't go into coalition again, likely not in any of our lifetimes, but support on a few very limited points, and contingent upon very strict conditions? Why would they not?

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    I can't argue with that Casino, but who do you see winning?
    Labour, with a Confidence and Supply arrangement with the SNP and LibDems. I don't see the latter going anywhere near a 'proper' coalition for a while.
    At least two major assumptions there - firstly that Labour wins more seats than the LibDems and secondly that The LibDems would be prepared to give their suppost to a Marxist Labour-led Government.
    I was a Liberal activist for some dozen years and saw too many false dawns, where we were going to get 150 or whatever seats. I remain to be convinced that things have changed 'that much'.
    Yes, it is so hard to make that breakthrough. As I noted yesterday the 2017 manifesto was explicitly a pitch to become the main opposition (rather than win a GE), and even though their polling was not great you can see why they might have thought that a viable option at the time, and in some ways now looks even better for that chance, but it just requires such a huge shift in some areas that are very very tribal in their voting.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 23,838

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    I had her down as Foreign Sec. McVey for the Home Office. The Truss at No. 11
    Shoot me now.

    That would be the worst senior Cabinet line up in history.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 1,924
    I’d expect the Lib Dems to support Labour to get a new referendum .

    Given they’re the pro Remain party it would look ridiculous if they said no if that condition was met.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 44,977
    DavidL said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    I had her down as Foreign Sec. McVey for the Home Office. The Truss at No. 11
    I thought it was impossible to imagine the next cabinet being weaker than the present one. Clearly I was wrong.

    In fact you begin to see how Grayling has lasted so long.
    Never forget the old saying that no matter how bad things are, they can always get worse. We seem to be really testing that, from multiple angles.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 44,977
    edited July 4
    Scott_P said:
    I'm not surprised Boris thinks being in the middle of a crowd of people who lap at his feet is the greatest place on earth, but it is a highly individual kind of great.

    In all seriousness, I cannot stand all these promises to unite the country, while the plans in question definitely will not unite it. Indeed, on the critical issue that unity is not even a reasonable expectation. Boris is certainly not alone in it, but the media cheerleaders act like someone promising to unite the country is such a wonderful and fresh thing to say, and that their promising it has any bearing on whether or not their can do it.

    It's the 'just believe in X and it will happen' crap all over again.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 23,838
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 23,838
    Just seen the trailer for the Apollo 11 film.

    One of the captions is 'Witness that last time we were one'

    Poignant.

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,340
    BBC 5Live - Plaid join Green party in endorsing LibDems for the Brecon & Radnor by-election.
  • glwglw Posts: 5,103
    kle4 said:

    Scott_P said:
    I'm not surprised Boris thinks being in the middle of a crowd of people who lap at his feet is the greatest place on earth, but it is a highly individual kind of great.

    In all seriousness, I cannot stand all these promises to unite the country, while the plans in question definitely will not unite it. Indeed, on the critical issue that unity is not even a reasonable expectation. Boris is certainly not alone in it, but the media cheerleaders act like someone promising to unite the country is such a wonderful and fresh thing to say, and that their promising it has any bearing on whether or not their can do it.

    It's the 'just believe in X and it will happen' crap all over again.
    It's Trump level BS. Anyone who thinks Boris should be running the country has lost their marbles.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 52,883

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    I had her down as Foreign Sec. McVey for the Home Office. The Truss at No. 11
    I do hope not, I've got a betslip on the Iron Saj for #11.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 3,383

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    I'm not so sure they would be hammered (because Corbyn is not popular) but I agree that an election will only happen this year if it is forced via a successful VONC.

    Most likely trigger for that would be a serious attempt to implement a No Deal Brexit on 31 Oct. So if one thinks that is on the cards (ie if one believes Boris Johnson) a bet on a GE in 2019 at better than evens is good value.

    But one would then be in a position of making money if Boris Johnson is true to his word and losing it if he turns out to be a bullshitter.

    That is not where I personally want to be.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 44,977
    kinabalu said:

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    I'm not so sure they would be hammered (because Corbyn is not popular) but I agree that an election will only happen this year if it is forced via a successful VONC.

    Most likely trigger for that would be a serious attempt to implement a No Deal Brexit on 31 Oct. So if one thinks that is on the cards (ie if one believes Boris Johnson) a bet on a GE in 2019 at better than evens is good value.

    But one would then be in a position of making money if Boris Johnson is true to his word and losing it if he turns out to be a bullshitter.

    That is not where I personally want to be.
    A fair point, but I add to that that I think even if he is bullshitting, I don't think he can successfully get anything to avoid pushing for a no deal as his only option to stay in power (even though it would lead to a GE and a big risk).
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 885
    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    I would imagine at least a dozen MPs think they have been offered one of Chancellor, Foreign or Home Offices by Boris. No idea at all why they trust him.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 23,838
    edited July 4
    Pulpstar said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    I had her down as Foreign Sec. McVey for the Home Office. The Truss at No. 11
    I do hope not, I've got a betslip on the Iron Saj for #11.
    I have money on Truss. Which I now regret, because she is one of the people who are no longer prepared to use fact, truth and rationale in politics. A peddler of snake oil and untruths in order to further her own career.

    Incredibly, her father is a maths professor at Leeds. What can he now think?

    So, hoping Saj is the CoE. To hell with the money.
  • glwglw Posts: 5,103

    I would imagine at least a dozen MPs think they have been offered one of Chancellor, Foreign or Home Offices by Boris. No idea at all why they trust him.

    It's one hell of an eye-opener seeing these Tory idiots lapping up the lies and nonsense that Boris disgorges each day.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,311
    kle4 said:

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    I can't argue with that Casino, but who do you see winning?
    Labour, with a Confidence and Supply arrangement with the SNP and LibDems. I don't see the latter going anywhere near a 'proper' coalition for a while.
    At least two major assumptions there - firstly that Labour wins more seats than the LibDems and secondly that The LibDems would be prepared to give their suppost to a Marxist Labour-led Government.
    Depends what you mean by support. They clearly won't go into coalition again, likely not in any of our lifetimes, but support on a few very limited points, and contingent upon very strict conditions? Why would they not?

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    I can't argue with that Casino, but who do you see winning?
    Labour, with a Confidence and Supply arrangement with the SNP and LibDems. I don't see the latter going anywhere near a 'proper' coalition for a while.
    At least two major assumptions there - firstly that Labour wins more seats than the LibDems and secondly that The LibDems would be prepared to give their suppost to a Marxist Labour-led Government.
    I was a Liberal activist for some dozen years and saw too many false dawns, where we were going to get 150 or whatever seats. I remain to be convinced that things have changed 'that much'.
    Yes, it is so hard to make that breakthrough. As I noted yesterday the 2017 manifesto was explicitly a pitch to become the main opposition (rather than win a GE), and even though their polling was not great you can see why they might have thought that a viable option at the time, and in some ways now looks even better for that chance, but it just requires such a huge shift in some areas that are very very tribal in their voting.
    One further major assumption in the OKC's Confidence & Supply arrangement is that Labour + SNP win more seats than LibDem + Tories, which right now appears somewhat unlikely. The Yellows might well prefer getting into bed (again) with the Tories than with the Labour Marxists, particularly if they were given a major, even dominant role. This ultimately would probably be a preferable course of action for the Tories also.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 23,838

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    I would imagine at least a dozen MPs think they have been offered one of Chancellor, Foreign or Home Offices by Boris. No idea at all why they trust him.
    Because there is no decency or statesmanship left in politics. It is a rats nest of the vacuous and the vane. Peddlers of lies.

    If only Hogarth were alive today...
  • steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 834
    JackW said:

    BBC 5Live - Plaid join Green party in endorsing LibDems for the Brecon & Radnor by-election.

    So Plaid endorses a unionist party in by election in Wales.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 9,385
    Nigelb said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    A Government of All the Shits.

    It will be the Turd Reich.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 23,838
    glw said:

    I would imagine at least a dozen MPs think they have been offered one of Chancellor, Foreign or Home Offices by Boris. No idea at all why they trust him.

    It's one hell of an eye-opener seeing these Tory idiots lapping up the lies and nonsense that Boris disgorges each day.
    Yep. Only Rory and Gauke seems to have spotted that it is all utter carthorse shit from start to finish.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 44,977



    One further major assumption in the OKC's Confidence & Supply arrangement is that Labour + SNP win more seats than LibDem + Tories, which right now appears somewhat unlikely. The Yellows might well prefer getting into bed (again) with the Tories than with the Labour Marxists, particularly if they were given a major, even dominant role. This ultimately would probably be a preferable course of action for the Tories also.

    Personally I don't know any LDs who have a good word for the coalition years, even if the issue of how bad they got punished by the electorate was set to one side. They clearly don't want to be in a position where they could prop up either, as they don't want to fracture any support they might have, but with hung parliament's very much a possibility the LDs probably have to pick a side, even if they are much more cautious in how much they enable the larger partner to do, and how informally they do it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 44,977
    edited July 4

    Pulpstar said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    I had her down as Foreign Sec. McVey for the Home Office. The Truss at No. 11
    I do hope not, I've got a betslip on the Iron Saj for #11.
    I have money on Truss. Which I now regret, because she is one of the people who are no longer prepared to use fact, truth and rationale in politics. A peddler of snake oil and untruths in order to further her own career.
    .
    In that case I am surprised she did not receive effusive support for becoming leader. People love that kind of stuff, because they get told what they want to hear, then they can get self righteously angry when the peddler does not follow through successfully.
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    edited July 4
    Judges ruled the £350 million a week figure which Boris quoted as a gross figures was correct and not misleading https://order-order.com/2019/07/04/judges-say-boris-right-350-million-week-acceptable-gross-figure/
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 2,802



    One further major assumption in the OKC's Confidence & Supply arrangement is that Labour + SNP win more seats than LibDem + Tories, which right now appears somewhat unlikely. The Yellows might well prefer getting into bed (again) with the Tories than with the Labour Marxists, particularly if they were given a major, even dominant role. This ultimately would probably be a preferable course of action for the Tories also.

    The Lib Dems are not going to get into bed with the party that gave us Brexit. That is as close to a certainty as you can get in today's politics.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 23,838
    kle4 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    I had her down as Foreign Sec. McVey for the Home Office. The Truss at No. 11
    I do hope not, I've got a betslip on the Iron Saj for #11.
    I have money on Truss. Which I now regret, because she is one of the people who are no longer prepared to use fact, truth and rationale in politics. A peddler of snake oil and untruths in order to further her own career.
    .
    In that case I am surprised she did not receive effusive support for becoming leader. People love that kind of stuff, because they get told what they want to hear, then they can get self righteously angry when the peddler does not follow through successfully.
    She faced competition.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,801

    _Anazina_ said:

    I see on the earlier thread there is a post about this changing of the May Day holiday.

    Not much bothered about Morris dancers but what I am bothered about is the impact on people and businesses who have planned stuff, like weddings.

    Either the government should make both the Friday and the Monday holidays, or they should reverse the change.

    Dickheads, whoever came up with this wheeze.

    The idea is good, but it should have been announced a lot earlier. You'd think the Tories would have a better idea of the need for businesses and individuals to be able to plan.........
    Oh!
    If the government can give extra holidays for some royal faffery, Jubilee, wedding, whatever it was - I don’t remember, I was down the pub - it should be able to grant an extra day off for D-Day.

    The only solution now is to make both days holidays.

  • nico67nico67 Posts: 1,924
    Bozo is likely to still have some compliant Remainers in his cabinet .

    He’ll need some cover to appear inclusive , the arse licker Hancock is likely to be in . The top jobs are likely to go to the true believers in the no deal fantasy .

    These are likely to include Patel , Mcvey , Raab .

    Hunt will be given a post although a demotion from foreign secretary . I still think he’ll offer Amber Rudd a post , it will look good .

    Hammond , Gauke , Clark are all likely to be fired . Stewart will resign . I hope he fires the clueless Karen Bradley .

    Fox might stay on even though he questioned the great leaders Gatt 24 guff .

    The UK will cheer if he fires Grayling .

    Bozo realizes that just filling the whole cabinet with the no deal nutjobs will cause a lot of problems .

    I suspect there will be a couple of shock appointments .
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 23,838
    _Anazina_ said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    I see on the earlier thread there is a post about this changing of the May Day holiday.

    Not much bothered about Morris dancers but what I am bothered about is the impact on people and businesses who have planned stuff, like weddings.

    Either the government should make both the Friday and the Monday holidays, or they should reverse the change.

    Dickheads, whoever came up with this wheeze.

    The idea is good, but it should have been announced a lot earlier. You'd think the Tories would have a better idea of the need for businesses and individuals to be able to plan.........
    Oh!
    If the government can give extra holidays for some royal faffery, Jubilee, wedding, whatever it was - I don’t remember, I was down the pub - it should be able to grant an extra day off for D-Day.

    The only solution now is to make both days holidays.

    Actually VE day.

    But I agree.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,801
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    She is also thick as pig shit.

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 885
    kle4 said:



    One further major assumption in the OKC's Confidence & Supply arrangement is that Labour + SNP win more seats than LibDem + Tories, which right now appears somewhat unlikely. The Yellows might well prefer getting into bed (again) with the Tories than with the Labour Marxists, particularly if they were given a major, even dominant role. This ultimately would probably be a preferable course of action for the Tories also.

    Personally I don't know any LDs who have a good word for the coalition years, even if the issue of how bad they got punished by the electorate was set to one side. They clearly don't want to be in a position where they could prop up either, as they don't want to fracture any support they might have, but with hung parliament's very much a possibility the LDs probably have to pick a side, even if they are much more cautious in how much they enable the larger partner to do, and how informally they do it.
    If we get one election, then I would think another to follow straight after is pretty likely. The plausible coalitions are hard to see this time around. After a second election the parties would have more cover for any coalitions.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 1,924
    _Anazina_ said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    She is also thick as pig shit.

    Can’t they just deport her .

    If it’s good enough for Windrush it’s good enough for Patel .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,766

    Pulpstar said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    I had her down as Foreign Sec. McVey for the Home Office. The Truss at No. 11
    I do hope not, I've got a betslip on the Iron Saj for #11.
    I have money on Truss. Which I now regret, because she is one of the people who are no longer prepared to use fact, truth and rationale in politics. A peddler of snake oil and untruths in order to further her own career.

    Incredibly, her father is a maths professor at Leeds. What can he now think?
    Something just doesn’t add up ?

    Merely a conjecture.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 574

    My view is that whenever an election comes the Tories will be hammered.

    So, if there is an election to come, it will be forced on Boris.

    If Boris is using Lynton Crosby now, doesn’t it suggest he’s already planning to go to the country?
    No, I think it suggests nothing more than that he is taking this election seriously.
    Plus the fact that he can't rule out having to. I think an election this year is likely, not necessarily because it's part of Boris' plan, but because the most obvious roads lead there. Boris is finished, or at best, in May-like purgatory if we're not out by 31st Oct through any actions of his government. So he either a) gets *some* form of deal passed that doesn't piss off all but the looniest Brexiteers, or b) Goes for no deal. If a) the Tories lift in the polls as the wind goes out of the Brexit party. In that case the circumstances may well just be too tempting, as there'd only be a brief period while the remain vote was too divided to hit back, like in 2017. Strike quickly enough and you'd catch a point where Labour still hadn't come to its senses and removed Corbyn, was involved in a civil war over accepting or reversing Brexit, and squabbling the Lib Dems over who were the strongest anti-Tory /Brexit party. Wait, and Corbyn's either gone, or he's still there and they try to fight 2017 again, or the Lib Dems have profited from a real Labour collapse and their own boost from a fresher leader.

    If (far more likely, given a 'Boris-deal' is a total fantasy) b) then the question is whether enough Tory MPs will no confidence to avoid no deal, in which case we have to ask the EU for an extension allowing for a 'Brexit' election.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,801

    _Anazina_ said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    I see on the earlier thread there is a post about this changing of the May Day holiday.

    Not much bothered about Morris dancers but what I am bothered about is the impact on people and businesses who have planned stuff, like weddings.

    Either the government should make both the Friday and the Monday holidays, or they should reverse the change.

    Dickheads, whoever came up with this wheeze.

    The idea is good, but it should have been announced a lot earlier. You'd think the Tories would have a better idea of the need for businesses and individuals to be able to plan.........
    Oh!
    If the government can give extra holidays for some royal faffery, Jubilee, wedding, whatever it was - I don’t remember, I was down the pub - it should be able to grant an extra day off for D-Day.

    The only solution now is to make both days holidays.

    Actually VE day.

    But I agree.
    Apologies! But you took the point :)
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 698
    That is an excellent speech. A model of its kind. Short and simple, yet eloquent and modestly moving.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 480
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    A Government of All the Shits.

    It will be the Turd Reich.
    That is quality, thanks.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 23,838
    nico67 said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    She is also thick as pig shit.

    Can’t they just deport her .

    If it’s good enough for Windrush it’s good enough for Patel .
    "It's not a deterrent to kill the wrong people." Brilliant
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 698
    _Anazina_ said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    She is also thick as pig shit.

    I fail to see what makes her as "thick as pig shit" there. She is a little clumsy in her speaking, but it is hardly moronic. It's not Diane Abbott trying to do maths.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 23,838
    edited July 4
    Byronic said:

    That is an excellent speech. A model of its kind. Short and simple, yet eloquent and modestly moving.
    And sounds like he believes in democracy, America, the founding fathers and the enlightenment.

    Rather than wanting to recreate the Third Reich with Big Macs.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 885
    Martin Lewis on question time, would get my vote for PM!
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 698
    edited July 4

    Byronic said:

    That is an excellent speech. A model of its kind. Short and simple, yet eloquent and modestly moving.
    And sounds like he believes in democracy, America, the founding fathers and the enlightenment.

    Rather than wanting to recreate the Third Reich with Big Macs.
    Yes, the decline is achingly painful.

    The trouble is, though, America had - arguably - its most articulate president in a generation, maybe two generations, in Obama. And he did fuck all, and was a significant disappointment. So Americans reached for a more radical and desperate solution.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,948

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    I had her down as Foreign Sec. McVey for the Home Office. The Truss at No. 11
    That’s a lot of hard faced women
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,801
    Byronic said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    She is also thick as pig shit.

    I fail to see what makes her as "thick as pig shit" there. She is a little clumsy in her speaking, but it is hardly moronic. It's not Diane Abbott trying to do maths.
    IH: are you saying they were guilty?
    PP: no
    IH: so they would be dead
    PP: no
    IH: well they would be!
    PP: the point is this about having a deterrent

    Thick, vile or evil, you decide.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,766
    Charles said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    I had her down as Foreign Sec. McVey for the Home Office. The Truss at No. 11
    That’s a lot of hard faced women
    And a copious supply of addle pated men.

  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 480
    People ask how can anyone vote Labour?

    Answer is that this would never happen under a Labour government:

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jul/04/figures-reveal-english-schools-cant-afford-to-teach-five-days-a-week
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 23,838
    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    That is an excellent speech. A model of its kind. Short and simple, yet eloquent and modestly moving.
    And sounds like he believes in democracy, America, the founding fathers and the enlightenment.

    Rather than wanting to recreate the Third Reich with Big Macs.
    Yes, the decline is achingly painful.

    The trouble is, though, America had - arguably - its most articulate president in a generation, maybe two generations, in Obama. And he did fuck all, and was a significant disappointment. So Americans reached for a more radical and desperate solution.
    Indeed. LBJ wasn't particularly articulate but boy he knew how to get things done.
  • SirBenjaminSirBenjamin Posts: 179
    QT Foxhunting rehash... Christ, does nobody in this country understand that you can be not in favour of something and also be against banning it?!?
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 698
    _Anazina_ said:

    Byronic said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up fSecretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel sob of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    She is also thick as pig shit.

    I fail t do maths.
    IH: are you saying they were guilty?
    PP: no
    IH: so they would be dead
    PP: no
    IH: well they would be!
    PP: the point is this about having a deterrent

    Thick, vile or evil, you decide.
    It's not dazzling but it doesn't compare to dear Diane:

    DA: Let's talk about the real issues of crime which people are worried about. What people are worried about is the rise in violent crime.

    NF: So how much would 10,000 police officers cost?

    DA: Well, if we recruit the 10,000 policemen and women over a four-year period, we believe it will be about £300,000.

    NF: £300,000 for 10,000 police officers? What are you paying them?

    DA: No, I mean, sorry...

    NF: How much will they cost?

    DA They will cost, it will cost about, about £80 million.

    NF: About £80 million? How do you get to that figure?

    DA: We get to that figure because we anticipate recruiting 25,000 extra police officers a year at least over a period of four years. And we are looking at both what average police wages are generally but also specifically police wages in London.

    NF: And the £80 million is the figure we use?

    DA: Yeah, yeah.

    NF: But I don't understand. If you divide £80 million by 10,000, you get £8,000. Is that what you are going to pay these policemen and women?

    DA: No, we are talking about a process over four years.

    NF: I don't understand. What is he or she going to get? Eighty million divided by 10,000 equals 8,000. What are these police officers going to be paid?

    DA: We will be paying them the average...

    NF: Has this been thought through?

    DA: Of course it's been thought through.

    NF: Where are the figures?

    DA: The figures are that the additional cost in year one, when we anticipate recruiting about 250,000 policemen, will be £64.3 million.

    NF: 250,000 policemen?

    DA: And women.

    NF: So you are getting more than 10,000. You're recruiting 250,000?

    DA: No, we are recruiting two thousand - and two hundred and fifty."

    NF: So where did 250,000 come from?

    DA: I think you said that, not me.

    NF: I can assure you you said that, because I wrote it down.

  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,801
    He needs to button his shirt up but Martin Lewis seems a very bright chap.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 23,838

    People ask how can anyone vote Labour?

    Answer is that this would never happen under a Labour government:

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jul/04/figures-reveal-english-schools-cant-afford-to-teach-five-days-a-week

    But to do something, you have to actually win power. On the doorsteps of middle England.

    As Blair and Brown taught what used to be the Labour party until a reverse take over by the likes of Andrew Murry and the communists.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 21,028

    QT Foxhunting rehash... Christ, does nobody in this country understand that you can be not in favour of something and also be against banning it?!?

    Nobody is talking about banning foxhunting, it is already banned.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,948
    Byronic said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    She is also thick as pig shit.

    I fail to see what makes her as "thick as pig shit" there. She is a little clumsy in her speaking, but it is hardly moronic. It's not Diane Abbott trying to do maths.
    I believe she’s wrong about deterrent

    A vague memory I have from 25 years ago is that Denmark is the only country that has gone from no capital punishment > capital punishment > no capital punishment

    I believe the crime rate actually went *up* during the capital punishment phase



  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,801
    Byronic said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Byronic said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up fSecretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel sob of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    She is also thick as pig shit.

    I fail t do maths.
    IH: are you saying they were guilty?
    PP: no
    IH: so they would be dead
    PP: no
    IH: well they would be!
    PP: the point is this about having a deterrent

    Thick, vile or evil, you decide.
    It's not dazzling but it doesn't compare to dear Diane:

    DA: Let's talk about the real issues of crime which people are worried about. What people are worried about is the rise in violent crime.

    NF: So how much would 10,000 police officers cost?

    DA: Well, if we recruit the 10,000 policemen and women over a four-year period, we believe it will be about £300,000.

    NF: £300,000 for 10,000 police officers? What are you paying them?

    DA: No, I mean, sorry...

    NF: How much will they cost?

    DA They will cost, it will cost about, about £80 million.

    NF: About £80 million? How do you get to that figure?

    DA: We get to that figure because we anticipate recruiting 25,000 extra police officers a year at least over a period of four years. And we are looking at both what average police wages are generally but also specifically police wages in London.

    NF: And the £80 million is the figure we use?

    DA: Yeah, yeah.

    NF: But I don't understand. If you divide £80 million by 10,000, you get £8,000. Is that what you are going to pay these policemen and women?

    Snip

    NF: 250,000 policemen?

    DA: And women.

    NF: So you are getting more than 10,000. You're recruiting 250,000?

    DA: No, we are recruiting two thousand - and two hundred and fifty."

    NF: So where did 250,000 come from?

    DA: I think you said that, not me.

    NF: I can assure you you said that, because I wrote it down.


    FFS. Whataboutery in the extreme.

    I expect much better from you! Abbott is hopeless, but it was a maths cock up.

    Patel is legitimising state-killing of innocent people, or would be, if she knew what she was talking about.

    I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt. She’s pig thick, not evil. Suspect you are regretting going out to bat for her.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 23,838
    Byronic said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Byronic said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up fSecretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel sob of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    She is also thick as pig shit.

    I fail t do maths.
    snippo

    Thick, vile or evil, you decide.
    It's not dazzling but it doesn't compare to dear Diane:

    DA: Let's talk about the real issues of crime which people are worried about. What people are worried about is the rise in violent crime.

    NF: So how much would 10,000 police officers cost?

    DA: Well, if we recruit the 10,000 policemen and women over a four-year period, we believe it will be about £300,000.

    snip

    DA: We get to that figure because we anticipate recruiting 25,000 extra police officers a year at least over a period of four years. And we are looking at both what average police wages are generally but also specifically police wages in London.

    NF: And the £80 million is the figure we use?

    DA: Yeah, yeah.

    NF: But I don't understand. If you divide £80 million by 10,000, you get £8,000. Is that what you are going to pay these policemen and women?

    DA: No, we are talking about a process over four years.

    NF: I don't understand. What is he or she going to get? Eighty million divided by 10,000 equals 8,000. What are these police officers going to be paid?

    DA: We will be paying them the average...

    NF: Has this been thought through?

    DA: Of course it's been thought through.

    NF: Where are the figures?

    DA: The figures are that the additional cost in year one, when we anticipate recruiting about 250,000 policemen, will be £64.3 million.

    NF: 250,000 policemen?

    DA: And women.

    NF: So you are getting more than 10,000. You're recruiting 250,000?

    DA: No, we are recruiting two thousand - and two hundred and fifty."

    NF: So where did 250,000 come from?

    DA: I think you said that, not me.

    NF: I can assure you you said that, because I wrote it down.

    Yes, but at least with DA it would be only money that was lost. Patel seems to be proposing that the Birmingham Six should have been killed by the State as it would be a deterrent.*


    * Presumably a deterrent from being Irish and living in the Birmingham area.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 57,540

    By far the biggest judgement call Boris will have to make is when to call a GE whilst Corbyn remains Labour leader, since this is the only possible basis on which he and the Tories have any chance of remaing in power.
    Labour Party members must know in their heart of hearts that they have sunk so low in the polls that a new, probably far more moderate leader is what is required to virtually gauarantee their return to office, be it this year, next year or whenever.
    Should the likes of, say, Keir Starmer win the big prize, it's not difficult to envisage Labour's support leaping into the 30%+ range in no time at all.
    Boris' problem in the short term, even with Corbyn still in place, is that the Tories are in severe danger of finishing with a voting support level in the low 20% range, thereby finding themselves forced out of office by a Labour/LibDem/SNP coalition.
    Btw with a 2019 GE looking increasingly likely, does anyone agree with me that Ladbrokes' odds of 1.75 (3/4 in old money) on there NOT being an overall majority, looks like stonking good value?

    YouGov gives a Starmer led Labour Party just a 1% lead over the Tories even if it backs EUref2 and indeed Boris today has a higher approval rating than Labour as a whole let alone Corbyn
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,801
    Who is this blonde Tory woman on QT?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 23,948
    _Anazina_ said:

    Byronic said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    She is also thick as pig shit.

    I fail to see what makes her as "thick as pig shit" there. She is a little clumsy in her speaking, but it is hardly moronic. It's not Diane Abbott trying to do maths.
    IH: are you saying they were guilty?
    PP: no
    IH: so they would be dead
    PP: no
    IH: well they would be!
    PP: the point is this about having a deterrent

    Thick, vile or evil, you decide.
    To be fair to her, Ian Hislop is a top tier heckler.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 480

    People ask how can anyone vote Labour?

    Answer is that this would never happen under a Labour government:

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2019/jul/04/figures-reveal-english-schools-cant-afford-to-teach-five-days-a-week

    But to do something, you have to actually win power. On the doorsteps of middle England.

    As Blair and Brown taught what used to be the Labour party until a reverse take over by the likes of Andrew Murry and the communists.
    Yeah I agree with you. It's not the Labour Party I would like to have. My point is, if there is a binary choice, at least the Marxists think every kid deserves a full time school.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 12,766
    Byronic said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Byronic said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up fSecretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel sob of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    She is also thick as pig shit.

    I fail t do maths.
    IH: are you saying they were guilty?
    PP: no
    IH: so they would be dead
    PP: no
    IH: well they would be!
    PP: the point is this about having a deterrent

    Thick, vile or evil, you decide.
    It's not dazzling but it doesn't compare to dear Diane...

    I think you might be missing the point that Boris isn’t about to appoint dear Diane to his cabinet.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 698
    _Anazina_ said:

    Byronic said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Byronic said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up fSecretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel sob of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    She is also thick as pig shit.

    I fail t do maths.
    IH: are you saying they were guilty?
    PP: no
    IH: so they would be dead
    PP: no
    IH: well they would be!
    PP: the point is this about having a deterrent

    Thick, vile or evil, you decide.
    It's not dazzling but it doesn't compare to dear Diane:
    te it down.


    FFS. Whataboutery in the extreme.

    I expect much better from you! Abbott is hopeless, but it was a maths cock up.

    Patel is legitimising state-killing of innocent people, or would be, if she knew what she was talking about.

    I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt. She’s pig thick, not evil. Suspect you are regretting going out to bat for her.
    I don't regret going to bat for her, because I have done no such thing, I just don't see any evidence that she is "thick as pig shit"

    Personally, I am divided on capital punishment. The state is happy to bomb innocents in foreign parts, women and children at weddings, so I do wonder at our liberal hand wringing when it comes to the state taking GUILTY lives in our own land, It feels hypocritical. Maybe even racist.

    That said I am not in favour of the death penalty, on the whole. It coarsens society. And life meaning life - until you die - is also a grave and severe deterrent, without the horror of wrongful state murder.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 27,165
    _Anazina_ said:

    He needs to button his shirt up but Martin Lewis seems a very bright chap.

    He offers lots of financial advice to listeners of Radio Five Live on a regular basis.
  • _Anazina__Anazina_ Posts: 1,801
    Charles said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    Byronic said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    Priti Patel speaking up for Boris. I can't think of many Tory politicians less easy to like. I'm guessing she's been offered the job of Home Secretary.

    Another despicable character Iikely to make the cabinet . She really is a vile piece of work .
    She is also thick as pig shit.

    I fail to see what makes her as "thick as pig shit" there. She is a little clumsy in her speaking, but it is hardly moronic. It's not Diane Abbott trying to do maths.
    IH: are you saying they were guilty?
    PP: no
    IH: so they would be dead
    PP: no
    IH: well they would be!
    PP: the point is this about having a deterrent

    Thick, vile or evil, you decide.
    To be fair to her, Ian Hislop is a top tier heckler.
    I’m already being more than fair to her by declaring her thick as pig shit. It’s her only possible defence.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 57,540
    Tom Harwood quite good on QT, slick and passionate for Brexit
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 8,237
    It would be a far more effective deterrent to put prisons for violent crimes in sub-saharan Africa. We offshore everything else.
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