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Boris will say anything. A very weak, empty performance – but the forces to whom he appeals don’t seem to care. https://t.co/NWy4qCvoaq

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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 6,294
    First like Boris. Burble, waffle, lie, Latin, bleurgh.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 24,815
    If Dunt is against it must have been a good debate. Not seen it, hope to catch it on catch up.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 11,788
    ITV 3-0 BBC.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 1,103
    I fear that Boris still hasn't quite got his head around the incompatibility of no deal and the implementation period.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 6,294
    Still peddling the "implementation period"? We really are screwed aren't we?
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,664
    Boris talked about "winning the forthcoming election" in the ITV debate. Has he made a gaffe about his intentions as PM? It sounds like an election in the near future rather than 2022! Surprised nobody pulled him up on that, certainly the lady chairing the debate should have asked for clarification on what Boris meant by "forthcoming".
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,512
    Nothing much to fear from either of these; the dangerous candidates were eliminated some time ago. And neither convinced as being up to the Herculanean task of Delivering Brexit either.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 4,846
    edited July 9
    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 63,188

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    The 52%
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 31,832
    Back Boris kick Trump’s arse
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 16,843

    Bozo wants to sack the Ambassador.

    I think that will happen either way.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 63,188
    Boris says Hunt has no date to leave the EU and will not commit to reduce the threshold on middle to upper income earners
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 26,206

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    How has English Nationalism and Take Back Control ended up as let's become the 51st state of the USA?
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassador should not have made unnecessary insulting remarks about the President of the United States, regardless of his own personal views, he has not acted in a professional manner, and has demeaned his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 26,206
    The Boris Cultists hate federalism. So why do they want to join the federal United States?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 6,294
    HYUFD said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    The 52%
    Strangely, many of them on here seem somewhat less than impressed.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 27,137
    MaxPB said:

    Bozo wants to sack the Ambassador.

    I think that will happen either way.
    He retires in December anyway
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 11,143
    HYUFD said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    The 52%
    That's not what the polls say...

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 26,206
    It will be incredible to witness when Boris starts on about fake news and journalists who are traitors, seeing as, unlike Trump, he was one and indeed is still paid as one.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 63,188
    Boris says gay marriage in NI up to people of NI unlike Hunt
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 27,137
    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassador should not have made unnecessary insulting remarks about the President of the United States, regardless of his own personal views, he has not acted in a professional manner, and has demeaned his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    He spoke the truth and the confidentiality breach is just wrong
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 26,206
    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassador should not have made unnecessary insulting remarks about the President of the United States, regardless of his own personal views, he has not acted in a professional manner, and has demeaned his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    Are you a bot? That is such crap it is unbelievable.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 63,188
    Boris says he most admires Hunt's ability to change his mind eg on Brexit
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 4,906
    edited July 9
    Johnson is brittle as a biscuit.

    If we had had a series of these and Leaver Gove had got through as the opponent I think this contest might have been close.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 63,188
    Hunt says he most admires Boris' ability to not answer a question but put a smile on your face
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    when parliament gets in the way of the people' it needs shutting down, just like Cromwell did when he said to parliament : “You have been sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!.”
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 9,322
    HYUFD said:

    Boris says gay marriage in NI up to people of NI unlike Hunt

    Which of them do you agree with?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 63,188
    Closing statements now
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 26,206
    dixiedean said:

    Still peddling the "implementation period"? We really are screwed aren't we?

    That will be one we have after we leave with No Deal having told Brussels to FO.

    That implementation period?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 63,188
    Hunt really is Mitt Romney
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 6,294

    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassador should not have made unnecessary insulting remarks about the President of the United States, regardless of his own personal views, he has not acted in a professional manner, and has demeaned his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    He spoke the truth and the confidentiality breach is just wrong
    What's more an ambassador is, quite literally, tasked with giving his personal, candid opinion of goings-on in the country to which he is assigned. How will any of them feel confident in discharging their duties from now on?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 27,137
    The programme did improve and ITV with Julie easily beat the dreadful BBC debate
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 63,188

    HYUFD said:

    Boris says gay marriage in NI up to people of NI unlike Hunt

    Which of them do you agree with?
    Boris, it is up to NI voters to elect a party which backs gay marriage
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 11,143
    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassador should not have made unnecessary insulting remarks about the President of the United States, regardless of his own personal views, he has not acted in a professional manner, and has demeaned his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    The remarks were fairly contemporaneous with these:



    Should the speaker be sacked too?
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456

    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassador should not have made unnecessary insulting remarks about the President of the United States, regardless of his own personal views, he has not acted in a professional manner, and has demeaned his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    He spoke the truth and the confidentiality breach is just wrong
    It is not the place of the British Ambassador to personally insult the POTUS. He failed in his professional duty and should resign
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 11,143
    HYUFD said:

    Hunt really is Mitt Romney

    Dull but competent?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 6,416

    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassador should not have made unnecessary insulting remarks about the President of the United States, regardless of his own personal views, he has not acted in a professional manner, and has demeaned his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    Are you a bot? That is such crap it is unbelievable.
    They were professional views. That's what he's paid for. He has no purpose if he doesn't give them.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 77,484
    FPT
    Artist said:

    I like Hunt bigging up the achievement of winning South West Surrey as a Tory.

    Well when he was selected to fight the constituency the Tory majority was a mere 861.
  • eekeek Posts: 5,927
    kjohnw said:

    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassador should not have made unnecessary insulting remarks about the President of the United States, regardless of his own personal views, he has not acted in a professional manner, and has demeaned his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    He spoke the truth and the confidentiality breach is just wrong
    It is not the place of the British Ambassador to personally insult the POTUS. He failed in his professional duty and should resign
    To be personal it would need to be to the Presidents face. It was in private, classified communications that should never have been leaked....
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 21,011
    IanB2 said:

    A much better chaired debate than the BBC effort.

    You can see why the diehard Tories like Boris, but the rest of us have just seen his weaknesses on display and can only be left fearing what lies ahead.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 63,188
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hunt really is Mitt Romney

    Dull but competent?
    An election loser with no vision
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 27,137
    kjohnw said:

    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassador should not have made unnecessary insulting remarks about the President of the United States, regardless of his own personal views, he has not acted in a professional manner, and has demeaned his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    He spoke the truth and the confidentiality breach is just wrong
    It is not the place of the British Ambassador to personally insult the POTUS. He failed in his professional duty and should resign
    He is required to provide HMG with an honest assessment and is entitled to confidentiality as are all our ambassadors.

    He must not resign at the behest of another Countrys demands.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 16,843
    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassador should not have made unnecessary insulting remarks about the President of the United States, regardless of his own personal views, he has not acted in a professional manner, and has demeaned his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    The ambassador should be free to say what he wants. The issue is that some arsehole has leaked a diplomatic cable which is a treasonable offence.

    The issue with Darroch isn't that he said it, that's a fair game. The issue is that he's unloved in Washington, and that's because he isn't able to move past the personal issues he clearly has with Trump. He isn't able to separate business from personality, Trump is president, whether or not Darroch wants him to be. His attitude has left this nation out in the cold, he was the wrong person for the job.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 3,536
    Trying (but possibly failing) to be objective, I’d say that Johnson just edged the first half of the programme but was struggling badly at times in the second. Not that Hunt shone particularly. Won’t make any difference though of course, but I’ll stick my neck out and predict that the result will be closer to 60-40 than the rout the polls are showing.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,093
    kjohnw said:

    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassador should not have made unnecessary insulting remarks about the President of the United States, regardless of his own personal views, he has not acted in a professional manner, and has demeaned his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    He spoke the truth and the confidentiality breach is just wrong
    It is not the place of the British Ambassador to personally insult the POTUS. He failed in his professional duty and should resign
    Have a look at Mustafa Kunt and have a think about how a proto-despot like Erdogan would react in the current world if that were disclosed as news as opposed to history.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 31,832
    There is no discernible difference between Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. Loyalty to self, wealth and Donald Trump unites them.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    That was a waste of a hour.

    Both awful - gutted that Gove didn't make the last two.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 6,416
    eek said:

    kjohnw said:

    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassador should not have made unnecessary insulting remarks about the President of the United States, regardless of his own personal views, he has not acted in a professional manner, and has demeaned his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    He spoke the truth and the confidentiality breach is just wrong
    It is not the place of the British Ambassador to personally insult the POTUS. He failed in his professional duty and should resign
    To be personal it would need to be to the Presidents face. It was in private, classified communications that should never have been leaked....
    Or if he'd said he didn't like the guy for some personal reason. In fact his assessment was measured and impersonal, and in fact reflected fairly widely and publicly expressed views of many others who were also well qualified to judge.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 27,137
    edited July 9
    Why does Ian Dunt nearly always use unnecessary language in his tweets

  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,664
    HYUFD said:

    Hunt really is Mitt Romney

    I thought Mitt Romney was a good candidate. His problem was religion and the fact he came up against a popular incumbant POTUS. I would be happy for a Romney like candidate given the dog shit that Boris personifies! By the way did you ever see the newspaper cartoon depicting Boris as a Labrador shitting over a garden? It was funny and shows how Boris will be lampooned as a figure of fun.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 6,294
    So. Do we want an utterly mendacious charlatan, who promises to be a disastrously ill-informed blusterer?
    Or someone merely not barely adequate?
    Over to you Tory members.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Why does Ian Dunt nearly always use unnecessary language in his tweets

    Because he's a guttersnipe with no class.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 2,457
    Scott_P said:
    She'll be PM by the end of the year ...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 63,188

    HYUFD said:

    Hunt really is Mitt Romney

    I thought Mitt Romney was a good candidate. His problem was religion and the fact he came up against a popular incumbant POTUS. I would be happy for a Romney like candidate given the dog shit that Boris personifies! By the way did you ever see the newspaper cartoon depicting Boris as a Labrador shitting over a garden? It was funny and shows how Boris will be lampooned as a figure of fun.
    Romney was a flip flopper like Kerry and like Hunt.

    Figures of fun sometimes win eg Berlusconi
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Scott_P said:
    She'll be PM by the end of the year ...
    That's an irregular cycle.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 24,815
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boris says gay marriage in NI up to people of NI unlike Hunt

    Which of them do you agree with?
    Boris, it is up to NI voters to elect a party which backs gay marriage
    Couldn't disagree more. The right to marriage is a fundamental human right and the right to be treated equally more so.

    If NI wants to be part of the UK it should offer all citizens of the UK their fundamental human rights. If they don't, they can f##k off and leave this union.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 1,966
    kjohnw said:

    the Ambassador should not have made unnecessary insulting remarks about the President of the United States, regardless of his own personal views, he has not acted in a professional manner, and has demeaned his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship

    Drivel. He gave his professional opinion, as he is paid to do. Other ambassadors will be passing on similar opinions.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 27,137
    dixiedean said:

    So. Do we want an utterly mendacious charlatan, who promises to be a disastrously ill-informed blusterer?
    Or someone merely not barely adequate?
    Over to you Tory members.

    This one voted 'neither'
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 11,143

    eek said:

    kjohnw said:

    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassador should not have made unnecessary insulting remarks about the President of the United States, regardless of his own personal views, he has not acted in a professional manner, and has demeaned his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    He spoke the truth and the confidentiality breach is just wrong
    It is not the place of the British Ambassador to personally insult the POTUS. He failed in his professional duty and should resign
    To be personal it would need to be to the Presidents face. It was in private, classified communications that should never have been leaked....
    Or if he'd said he didn't like the guy for some personal reason. In fact his assessment was measured and impersonal, and in fact reflected fairly widely and publicly expressed views of many others who were also well qualified to judge.
    The only reason that Darrnock should be fired is that his assessment gave no insight above the bleeding obvious! Anyone with a brain could see what he said was true in a half hour on the internet.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 4,906

    There is no discernible difference between Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. Loyalty to self, wealth and Donald Trump unites them.

    Farage is the more principled, I sense.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 21,011
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hunt really is Mitt Romney

    I thought Mitt Romney was a good candidate. His problem was religion and the fact he came up against a popular incumbant POTUS. I would be happy for a Romney like candidate given the dog shit that Boris personifies! By the way did you ever see the newspaper cartoon depicting Boris as a Labrador shitting over a garden? It was funny and shows how Boris will be lampooned as a figure of fun.
    Romney was a flip flopper like Kerry and like Hunt.

    Figures of fun sometimes win eg Berlusconi
    Boris is the flip flopper here. Two letters. MV1/2 v MV3. LHR3. And ducked so many of the other questions so no one knows where he stands.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 4,906
    JohnO said:

    Trying (but possibly failing) to be objective, I’d say that Johnson just edged the first half of the programme but was struggling badly at times in the second. Not that Hunt shone particularly. Won’t make any difference though of course, but I’ll stick my neck out and predict that the result will be closer to 60-40 than the rout the polls are showing.

    72-28 is my prediction.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 6,416
    MaxPB said:

    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassa his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    The ambassador should be free to say what he wants. The issue is that some arsehole has leaked a diplomatic cable which is a treasonable offence.

    The issue with Darroch isn't that he said it, that's a fair game. The issue is that he's unloved in Washington, and that's because he isn't able to move past the personal issues he clearly has with Trump. He isn't able to separate business from personality, Trump is president, whether or not Darroch wants him to be. His attitude has left this nation out in the cold, he was the wrong person for the job.
    Politico Playbook gives this assessment:

    PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP said Monday that British Ambassador KIM DARROCH was "not liked or well thought of within the U.S." But many members of the Trump administration socialize with Darroch, as the NYT's PETER BAKER and MAGGIE HABERMAN separately pointed out. The British ambassador and his mansion on Mass Ave., next to the VP's residence, are centerpieces of the D.C. political-media axis.

    HERE'S JUST A PARTIAL LIST of times Trump administration officials and associates attended parties hosted by Darroch, culled from the pages of Playbook: KELLYANNE CONWAY went to a March 7 reception for women in the 116th Congress. The party list ... Former acting A.G. MATT WHITAKER, Pence political aide MARTY OBST and SEAN SPICER attended Darroch's 2018 New Year's Eve party at the British Embassy. The party list ...

    ... On NYE 2017, DARROCH hosted KELLYANNE CONWAY and ELLIOTT ABRAMS at the British Embassy party. The full party list ... On Nov. 2, 2017, DARROCH hosted a reception to mark the 100th anniversary of the Balfour Declaration. SPOTTED: Sheldon and Miriam Adelson. The Balfour reception ... DARROCH hosted an October 2017 party in honor of the IMF/World Bank meetings. Commerce Secretary WILBUR ROSS was there. The full party list ...

    ... DARROCH and the British Embassy hosted an engagement party on Sept. 10, 2017 for KATIE WALSH and MIKE SHIELDS, which REINCE PRIEBUS, STEVEN MNUCHIN and SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS all attended. The engagement party list ...

    ... DARROCH hosted a Jan. 18, 2017 party in honor of Trump's inauguration. RUDY GIULIANI, COREY LEWANDOWSKI, CHRIS CHRISTIE, MARC SHORT, TOM BARRACK and SEB GORKA were among the attendees. The full inauguration party list ... KELLYANNE and GEORGE CONWAY attended the Dec. 31, 2016 New Year's Eve party. The NYE list
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 5,077
    People on here making the usual mistake focussing too much on detail - eg did he answer the Q?

    General public always go on big picture / general impression.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 1,581
    Boris’ obsfucating is getting really old. Luckily for him he’s got Hunt as an opponent who is a tad uncanny valley and sounds insincere.

    Boris will win but I have serious reservations about him. Refusing to back the ambassador was disloyal.

    The big winner tonight was Julie Etchingham who actually moderated rather than ramble on and make it all about her like Maitliss did.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,732

    eek said:

    kjohnw said:

    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassador should not have made unnecessary insulting remarks about the President of the United States, regardless of his own personal views, he has not acted in a professional manner, and has demeaned his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    He spoke the truth and the confidentiality breach is just wrong
    It is not the place of the British Ambassador to personally insult the POTUS. He failed in his professional duty and should resign
    To be personal it would need to be to the Presidents face. It was in private, classified communications that should never have been leaked....
    Or if he'd said he didn't like the guy for some personal reason. In fact his assessment was measured and impersonal, and in fact reflected fairly widely and publicly expressed views of many others who were also well qualified to judge.
    Are you sure? I would have said it was bit generous myself.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 27,418
    Off topic, looking again at the Electoral Calculus prediction from the YouGov poll earlier, I note that the Brexit party is predicted to pick up 28 out of the 40 Welsh seats.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 63,188
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hunt really is Mitt Romney

    I thought Mitt Romney was a good candidate. His problem was religion and the fact he came up against a popular incumbant POTUS. I would be happy for a Romney like candidate given the dog shit that Boris personifies! By the way did you ever see the newspaper cartoon depicting Boris as a Labrador shitting over a garden? It was funny and shows how Boris will be lampooned as a figure of fun.
    Romney was a flip flopper like Kerry and like Hunt.

    Figures of fun sometimes win eg Berlusconi
    Boris is the flip flopper here. Two letters. MV1/2 v MV3. LHR3. And ducked so many of the other questions so no one knows where he stands.
    Boris voted for MV3 to ensure Brexit and he was proved right to do so as we are still in the EU.

    Hunt was against No Deal before he was for it before he was against it again
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 63,188

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boris says gay marriage in NI up to people of NI unlike Hunt

    Which of them do you agree with?
    Boris, it is up to NI voters to elect a party which backs gay marriage
    Couldn't disagree more. The right to marriage is a fundamental human right and the right to be treated equally more so.

    If NI wants to be part of the UK it should offer all citizens of the UK their fundamental human rights. If they don't, they can f##k off and leave this union.
    Both questions are up to them
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 11,143
    kinabalu said:

    There is no discernible difference between Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage. Loyalty to self, wealth and Donald Trump unites them.

    Farage is the more principled, I sense.
    Certainly so, but then to paraphrase: No principles are better than bad principles!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 16,843

    MaxPB said:

    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassa his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    The ambassador should be free to say what he wants. The issue is that some arsehole has leaked a diplomatic cable which is a treasonable offence.

    The issue with Darroch isn't that he said it, that's a fair game. The issue is that he's unloved in Washington, and that's because he isn't able to move past the personal issues he clearly has with Trump. He isn't able to separate business from personality, Trump is president, whether or not Darroch wants him to be. His attitude has left this nation out in the cold, he was the wrong person for the job.
    Politico Playbook gives this assessment:

    PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP said Monday that British Ambassador KIM DARROCH was "not liked or well thought of within the U.S." But many members of the Trump administration socialize with Darroch, as the NYT's PETER BAKER and MAGGIE HABERMAN separately pointed out. The British ambassador and his mansion on Mass Ave., next to the VP's residence, are centerpieces of the D.C. political-media axis.

    HERE'S JUST A PARTIAL LIST of times Trump administration officials and associates attended parties hosted by Darroch, culled from the pages of Playbook: KELLYANNE CONWAY went to a March 7 reception for women in the 116th Congress. The party list ... Former acting A.G. MATT WHITAKER, Pence political aide MARTY OBST and SEAN SPICER attended Darroch's 2018 New Year's Eve party at the British Embassy. The party list ...

    ... On NYE 2017, DARROCH hosted KELLYANNE CONWAY and ELLIOTT ABRAMS at the British Embassy party. The full party list ... On Nov. 2, 2017, DARROCH hosted a reception to mark the 100th anniversary of the Balfour Declaration. SPOTTED: Sheldon and Miriam Adelson. The Balfour reception ... DARROCH hosted an October 2017 party in honor of the IMF/World Bank meetings. Commerce Secretary WILBUR ROSS was there. The full party list ...

    ... DARROCH and the British Embassy hosted an engagement party on Sept. 10, 2017 for KATIE WALSH and MIKE SHIELDS, which REINCE PRIEBUS, STEVEN MNUCHIN and SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS all attended. The engagement party list ...

    ... DARROCH hosted a Jan. 18, 2017 party in honor of Trump's inauguration. RUDY GIULIANI, COREY LEWANDOWSKI, CHRIS CHRISTIE, MARC SHORT, TOM BARRACK and SEB GORKA were among the attendees. The full inauguration party list ... KELLYANNE and GEORGE CONWAY attended the Dec. 31, 2016 New Year's Eve party. The NYE list
    And not Trump.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 4,906
    HYUFD said:

    Hunt really is Mitt Romney

    In trousers.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 3,271
    Well given a farage Swinson/Davey Johnson corbyn debate then I think it will be farage and Swinson/Davey who come out on top. But as we know Johnson will attempt desperately to control the debate to corbyn and himself despite by then they are both in the teens in voting intention polls. It is sad but I suppose they are both passed their sell by date
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 1,581
    MikeL said:

    People on here making the usual mistake focussing too much on detail - eg did he answer the Q?

    General public always go on big picture / general impression.

    Good point which is probably why a significant portion of the electorate would vote for Johnson. There’s a general feeling of “ha ha that Boris, what a joker” among many, which still stems from his HIGNFY years.

    What he actually says (or doesn’t say) is scary IMHO but there’s no doubting he does reach the voters others can’t.
  • ZephyrZephyr Posts: 438
    MikeL said:

    People on here making the usual mistake focussing too much on detail - eg did he answer the Q?

    General public always go on big picture / general impression.

    And that was?
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,664
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hunt really is Mitt Romney

    I thought Mitt Romney was a good candidate. His problem was religion and the fact he came up against a popular incumbant POTUS. I would be happy for a Romney like candidate given the dog shit that Boris personifies! By the way did you ever see the newspaper cartoon depicting Boris as a Labrador shitting over a garden? It was funny and shows how Boris will be lampooned as a figure of fun.
    Romney was a flip flopper like Kerry and like Hunt.

    Figures of fun sometimes win eg Berlusconi
    Maybe we will find out in the "forthcoming election". It sounds immediate rather than 2022. He might have gaffed by accident and given away his plan for a GE! I dont think he will win or do as well as the Tories achieved in 2017 under May. I will be voting LD if their is a snap GE as I cannot vote for Boris...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 24,815
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boris says gay marriage in NI up to people of NI unlike Hunt

    Which of them do you agree with?
    Boris, it is up to NI voters to elect a party which backs gay marriage
    Couldn't disagree more. The right to marriage is a fundamental human right and the right to be treated equally more so.

    If NI wants to be part of the UK it should offer all citizens of the UK their fundamental human rights. If they don't, they can f##k off and leave this union.
    Both questions are up to them
    No. If we say this is a fundamental principle for the UK as a whole then its not. And we have the right to do that. Parliament should vote that all UK citizens have the right to equal marriage in all parts of the UK and if the bible bashers of Northern Ireland want to shove their heads up their arse they should do so outside our union.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 11,143
    Zephyr said:

    MikeL said:

    People on here making the usual mistake focussing too much on detail - eg did he answer the Q?

    General public always go on big picture / general impression.

    And that was?
    Bulshitting buffoon vs smug git.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 6,416
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassa his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    The ambassador should be free to say what he wants. The issue is that some arsehole has leaked a diplomatic cable which is a treasonable offence.

    The issue with Darroch isn't that he said it, that's a fair game. The issue is that he's unloved in Washington, and that's because he isn't able to move past the personal issues he clearly has with Trump. He isn't able to separate business from personality, Trump is president, whether or not Darroch wants him to be. His attitude has left this nation out in the cold, he was the wrong person for the job.
    Politico Playbook gives this assessment:

    PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP said Monday that British Ambassador KIM DARROCH was "not liked or well thought of within the U.S." But many members of the Trump administration socialize with Darroch, as the NYT's PETER BAKER and MAGGIE HABERMAN separately pointed out. The British ambassador and his mansion on Mass Ave., next to the VP's residence, are centerpieces of the D.C. political-media axis.

    HERE'S JUST A PARTIAL LIST of times Trump administration officials and associat...

    ... DARROCH and the British Embassy hosted an engagement party on Sept. 10, 2017 for KATIE WALSH and MIKE SHIELDS, which REINCE PRIEBUS, STEVEN MNUCHIN and SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS all attended. The engagement party list ...

    ... DARROCH hosted a Jan. 18, 2017 party in honor of Trump's inauguration. RUDY GIULIANI, COREY LEWANDOWSKI, CHRIS CHRISTIE, MARC SHORT, TOM BARRACK and SEB GORKA were among the attendees. The full inauguration party list ... KELLYANNE and GEORGE CONWAY attended the Dec. 31, 2016 New Year's Eve party. The NYE list
    And not Trump.
    You said he was "unloved in Washington."
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,626
    Boris definitely showed some much needed energy and some people will lap up his patriotic, populist soundbites but he also came across somewhat flustered and evasive.

    Hunt didn't really offer an alternative unless you believe in the power of his masterful negotiating skills.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 3,271
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boris says gay marriage in NI up to people of NI unlike Hunt

    Which of them do you agree with?
    Boris, it is up to NI voters to elect a party which backs gay marriage
    Couldn't disagree more. The right to marriage is a fundamental human right and the right to be treated equally more so.

    If NI wants to be part of the UK it should offer all citizens of the UK their fundamental human rights. If they don't, they can f##k off and leave this union.
    Also the whole NI issue around brexit is about NI being treated differently to the rest of the U.K. but when it comes to these issues they want to be "......treated differently
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 11,143

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boris says gay marriage in NI up to people of NI unlike Hunt

    Which of them do you agree with?
    Boris, it is up to NI voters to elect a party which backs gay marriage
    Couldn't disagree more. The right to marriage is a fundamental human right and the right to be treated equally more so.

    If NI wants to be part of the UK it should offer all citizens of the UK their fundamental human rights. If they don't, they can f##k off and leave this union.
    Both questions are up to them
    No. If we say this is a fundamental principle for the UK as a whole then its not. And we have the right to do that. Parliament should vote that all UK citizens have the right to equal marriage in all parts of the UK and if the bible bashers of Northern Ireland want to shove their heads up their arse they should do so outside our union.
    They are devolved matters. The NI parties have refused to form a Stormont government, and until they do should be ruled by Westminster decisions.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 28,649
    dixiedean said:

    So. Do we want an utterly mendacious charlatan, who promises to be a disastrously ill-informed blusterer?
    Or someone merely not barely adequate?
    Over to you Tory members.

    A choice between the unpalatable and the disastrous. Not sure which is which.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,664

    MikeL said:

    People on here making the usual mistake focussing too much on detail - eg did he answer the Q?

    General public always go on big picture / general impression.

    Good point which is probably why a significant portion of the electorate would vote for Johnson. There’s a general feeling of “ha ha that Boris, what a joker” among many, which still stems from his HIGNFY years.

    What he actually says (or doesn’t say) is scary IMHO but there’s no doubting he does reach the voters others can’t.
    Just like I dont want to be led by an idiot, I dont want the types of people he appeals to deciding my future. It is very depressing. I am just going to have to accept this like all the other unfair shit I suffer in life! Life can be cruel...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 16,843

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassa his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    The ambassador should be free to say what he wants. The issue is that some arsehole has leaked a diplomatic cable which is a treasonable offence.

    The issue with Darroch isn't that he said it, that's a fair game. The issue is that he's unloved in Washington, and that's because he isn't able to move past the personal issues he clearly has with Trump. He isn't able to separate business from personality, Trump is president, whether or not Darroch wants him to be. His attitude has left this nation out in the cold, he was the wrong person for the job.
    Politico Playbook gives this assessment:

    PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP said Monday that British Ambassador KIM DARROCH was "not liked or well thought of within the U.S." But many members of the Trump administration socialize with Darroch, as the NYT's PETER BAKER and MAGGIE HABERMAN separately pointed out. The British ambassador and his mansion on Mass Ave., next to the VP's residence, are centerpieces of the D.C. political-media axis.

    HERE'S JUST A PARTIAL LIST of times Trump administration officials and associat...

    ... DARROCH and the British Embassy hosted an engagement party on Sept. 10, 2017 for KATIE WALSH and MIKE SHIELDS, which REINCE PRIEBUS, STEVEN MNUCHIN and SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS all attended. The engagement party list ...

    ... DARROCH hosted a Jan. 18, 2017 party in honor of Trump's inauguration. RUDY GIULIANI, COREY LEWANDOWSKI, CHRIS CHRISTIE, MARC SHORT, TOM BARRACK and SEB GORKA were among the attendees. The full inauguration party list ... KELLYANNE and GEORGE CONWAY attended the Dec. 31, 2016 New Year's Eve party. The NYE list
    And not Trump.
    You said he was "unloved in Washington."
    None of those people are in the Trump inner circle. Face it, Darroch couldn't get past his dislike for Trump and let if affect his job. That's why he's a poor ambassador, not because he told the truth about him in a diplomatic cable.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 24,815
    Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Boris says gay marriage in NI up to people of NI unlike Hunt

    Which of them do you agree with?
    Boris, it is up to NI voters to elect a party which backs gay marriage
    Couldn't disagree more. The right to marriage is a fundamental human right and the right to be treated equally more so.

    If NI wants to be part of the UK it should offer all citizens of the UK their fundamental human rights. If they don't, they can f##k off and leave this union.
    Both questions are up to them
    No. If we say this is a fundamental principle for the UK as a whole then its not. And we have the right to do that. Parliament should vote that all UK citizens have the right to equal marriage in all parts of the UK and if the bible bashers of Northern Ireland want to shove their heads up their arse they should do so outside our union.
    They are devolved matters. The NI parties have refused to form a Stormont government, and until they do should be ruled by Westminster decisions.
    Fundamental rights shouldn't be devolved. But even if it is, since they've elected to be ruled by Westminster it is only appropriate that Westminster rules accordingly. And it is to the shame of Westminster every day that passes where they don't grant our citizens equal rights. This should trump party or other matters.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 24,815
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassa his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    The ambassador should be free to say what he wants. The issue is that some arsehole has leaked a diplomatic cable which is a treasonable offence.

    The issue with Darroch isn't that he said it, that's a fair game. The issue is that he's unloved in Washington, and that's because he isn't able to move past the personal issues he clearly has with Trump. He isn't able to separate business from personality, Trump is president, whether or not Darroch wants him to be. His attitude has left this nation out in the cold, he was the wrong person for the job.
    Politico Playbook gives this assessment:

    PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP said Monday that British Ambassador KIM DARROCH was "not liked or well thought of within the U.S." But many members of the Trump administration socialize with Darroch, as the NYT's PETER BAKER and MAGGIE HABERMAN separately pointed out. The British ambassador and his mansion on Mass Ave., next to the VP's residence, are centerpieces of the D.C. political-media axis.

    HERE'S JUST A PARTIAL LIST of times Trump administration officials and associat...

    ... DARROCH and the British Embassy hosted an engagement party on Sept. 10, 2017 for KATIE WALSH and MIKE SHIELDS, which REINCE PRIEBUS, STEVEN MNUCHIN and SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS all attended. The engagement party list ...

    ... DARROCH hosted a Jan. 18, 2017 party in honor of Trump's inauguration. RUDY GIULIANI, COREY LEWANDOWSKI, CHRIS CHRISTIE, MARC SHORT, TOM BARRACK and SEB GORKA were among the attendees. The full inauguration party list ... KELLYANNE and GEORGE CONWAY attended the Dec. 31, 2016 New Year's Eve party. The NYE list
    And not Trump.
    You said he was "unloved in Washington."
    None of those people are in the Trump inner circle. Face it, Darroch couldn't get past his dislike for Trump and let if affect his job. That's why he's a poor ambassador, not because he told the truth about him in a diplomatic cable.
    I'm not sure who his inner circle is but I thought Kellyanne Conway at least was.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,732
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Hunt really is Mitt Romney

    In trousers.
    Mitt Romney was not in trousers?

    WTAF did he wear then? A kilt?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 16,843

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    kjohnw said:

    Boris wants to throw the Ambassador under the bus.

    What a tosser.

    Who, apart from the slavering nutjobs in the Tory Party, are actually going to vote for this clown?

    the Ambassa his office, he should resign forthwith, and fall on his sword. He has mired the UK US relationship
    The ambassador should be free to say what he wants. The issue is that some arsehole has leaked a diplomatic cable which is a treasonable offence.

    The issue with Darroch isn't that he said it, that's a fair game. The issue is that he's unloved in Washington, and that's because he isn't able to move past the personal issues he clearly has with Trump. He isn't able to separate business from personality, Trump is president, whether or not Darroch wants him to be. His attitude has left this nation out in the cold, he was the wrong person for the job.
    Politico Playbook gives this assessment:

    PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP said Monday that British Ambassador KIM DARROCH was "not liked or well thought of within the U.S." But many members of the Trump administration socialize with Darroch, as the NYT's PETER BAKER and MAGGIE HABERMAN separately pointed out. The British ambassador and his mansion on Mass Ave., next to the VP's residence, are centerpieces of the D.C. political-media axis.

    HERE'S JUST A PARTIAL LIST of times Trump administration officials and associat...

    ... DARROCH and the British Embassy hosted an engagement party on Sept. 10, 2017 for KATIE WALSH and MIKE SHIELDS, which REINCE PRIEBUS, STEVEN MNUCHIN and SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS all attended. The engagement party list ...

    ... DARROCH hosted a Jan. 18, 2017 party in honor of Trump's inauguration. RUDY GIULIANI, COREY LEWANDOWSKI, CHRIS CHRISTIE, MARC SHORT, TOM BARRACK and SEB GORKA were among the attendees. The full inauguration party list ... KELLYANNE and GEORGE CONWAY attended the Dec. 31, 2016 New Year's Eve party. The NYE list
    And not Trump.
    You said he was "unloved in Washington."
    None of those people are in the Trump inner circle. Face it, Darroch couldn't get past his dislike for Trump and let if affect his job. That's why he's a poor ambassador, not because he told the truth about him in a diplomatic cable.
    I'm not sure who his inner circle is but I thought Kellyanne Conway at least was.
    His family.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 3,956

    Scott_P said:
    She'll be PM by the end of the year ...
    What price are you going to give us ?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,706

    Scott_P said:
    She'll be PM by the end of the year ...
    The LibDems will do well in any GE this year to exceed 12%. Polls already have them dropping back to 15%/16%.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 4,846
    It was a decent debate but we needed another hour. Hunt landed some decent blows and I think Johnson would collapse with sustained scrutiny.

    The telling moment was obviously the question about Darroch.

    Boris confirmed he was happy to throw him under the bus. He tried to make a feeble accusation that Hunt was no better than he because Hunt might not extend Darroch beyond retirement but it collapsed under the weight of its own ridiculousness.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,706

    Off topic, looking again at the Electoral Calculus prediction from the YouGov poll earlier, I note that the Brexit party is predicted to pick up 28 out of the 40 Welsh seats.

    I will be amazed if they win any seats in Wales in a GE.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 5,580
    edited July 9
    justin124 said:

    Scott_P said:
    She'll be PM by the end of the year ...
    The LibDems will do well in any GE this year to exceed 12%. Polls already have them dropping back to 15%/16%.
    Only the pollsters that got them so wrong at the Euros.

  • DruttDrutt Posts: 864
    kjohnw said:

    when parliament gets in the way of the people' it needs shutting down, just like Cromwell did when he said to parliament : “You have been sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!.”
    Did demcracy end in 1948 when Atlee prorogued Parliament to get the major constitutional change in the 1949 Parliament Act across the line? No, of course not, don't be silly, Mr Dunt and Mr Grieve.

    And why should a PM candidate rule out the use of prerogative powers? Not much point being PM if all you're going to use the position for is custody of Larry the cat, and I'm not even sure that he could, constitutionally, stymie the crown's powers.

    And while I'm setting the world to rights, whoever leaked the Darroch diptels should have their skin pulled off. Not full-on Judgment of Cambyses, just like when you get a bit peeling by your fingernail and you pull it and it gets worse and you try again and make it even worse and you think "this is how I will die". Darroch ought to offer his resignation on the basis he's lost the confidence of his host nation and he can't guarantee confidentiality either, and the PM ought to refuse to accept it to show the White House Trump doesn't call the shots.
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