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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    I would also say that whoever leaked this probably agreed with the Ambassadors assessment of Trump and was happy to see it more widely publicised.

    Why would such a person trust Isabel Oakeshott?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043
    It seems to me that increasingly Liam Fox has been morphing into one of the grown ups.

    Should I seek medical advice?
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,911
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Would it cheer up all the PB'ers throwing their toys out the pram this afternoon? :D
    Who comes next doesn't change what has happened
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Brilliant , gets my vote even though I’m not a Corbyn fan.

    If you want to not be Trumps lapdog vote Labour .
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,669
    Pulpstar said:

    stodge said:

    Remember a 40% vote share for the Liberal Democrats achieves the following:

    1) The end of Boris Johnson as Conservative leader.
    2) The end of Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader.
    3) Making Nigel Farage an irrelevance.

    I'd strongly disagree on 3, 1 and 2 highly likely mind.
    Is it likely? Have I missed a poll ;-)
    It would in any case depend on how the other 60% split, by party and regionally. Don't you just love FPTP.
    I have my doubts about any of the existing seat projections tools being accurate. They are good for two or even three party battles - but four or four and a half? I think probably not.
  • It seems to me that increasingly Liam Fox has been morphing into one of the grown ups.

    Should I seek medical advice?

    Dr Fox will see you now.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,911

    Cyclefree said:

    If anything were to make me a Corbynista, it would be the embarrassing and pitiful grovelling and arse-licking towards the US which the British politicians, particularly in the Tory party, indulge in.

    I have a lot of time for the US. But they are not always right or sensible or wise. And they act in their own interests, not our. Always have done. Always will. Long past the time for us to realise this and to stop this childish desire to be the the US’s best friend in a way which demeans us. The way we behave is little better than bending over and holding our ankles.

    It is both pathetic and humiliating.

    A pro-Trump Johnson could well revive the 2017 Labour coalition.

    Under a different leader, yes. Under Corbyn, No. He carries too much baggage on anti-semitism, Brexit and his past dalliances with Hamas etc to pull any sort of coalition together
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    Can they not read? Two are actually to work on the backstop itself.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 5,997

    Fenster said:

    Been too busy to follow politics but how can anyone think Darroch's position is/was tenable?! He had to walk. You can't get busted badmouthing the president of the country you are serving in and expect to keep the chief diplomatic role.

    Resign was the only practical thing he could do.

    Do you really think the purpose of Ambassadors is to report back rose-tinted platitudes about their host government? Every ambassador in the US from all countries (save perhaps Russia) will have been sending similar thoughts to their home governments.
    Of course not, but those opinions need to be deniable. In any case, I presume he hasn't resigned from his job, merely from his posting.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    nico67 said:

    Brilliant , gets my vote even though I’m not a Corbyn fan.

    If you want to not be Trumps lapdog vote Labour .
    Utter bollocks

    Never once has Corbyn stood up for anyone other the enemies of the UK.

    He is beyond untrustworthy.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851

    It also plays very well for remain. Brexit Britain = licking Trump's hindquarters.

    Indeed.

    "If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine kissing the rancid buttocks of a corpulent septuagenarian and eating chlorinated chicken ... FOREVER."
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    nico67 said:

    I would also say that whoever leaked this probably agreed with the Ambassadors assessment of Trump and was happy to see it more widely publicised.

    Unlikely . The leak was designed to get rid of the ambassador as they knew it would cause a massive problem for the government. What was said in the leak was hardly a shock , most sane people would agree .
    The Ambassador was already going. He was due to retire and due to be replaced and that had already been announced.

    Why cause a major security breach, risk a prison sentence, embarrass the government, embarrass the President just to get rid of an Ambassador a couple of months before he was due to be replaced anyway? It doesn't make any sense.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043
    nico67 said:

    Brilliant , gets my vote even though I’m not a Corbyn fan.

    If you want to not be Trumps lapdog vote Labour .
    Hmm. What if it was our Ambassador to Moscow who was resigning in similar circumstances?
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    It may just be me but that isn't much money for a job in central London.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,911
    GIN1138 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Darroch is a man of honour and integrity.

    Boris Johnson is neither of those things.

    Darroch is a man of honour and integrity.

    Boris Johnson is neither of those things.

    Well said.

    Tory members voting for this man should be ashamed of themselves.
    I voted neither - pleased with my decision

    Boris will have lost a lot today no matter what his supporters say
    Unless Boris (or friends of Boris) turns out to be the leaker I'm still unsure why Boris is getting the blame for Kim resinging?

    Kim was done for the moment the leak happened. If anything Boris was the only one facing up to the reality of the situation and even then he didn't actually call on him to resign.
    He is getting the blame for not backing our top diplomat who had done nothing wrong. Getting blamed for his resignation is not the same thing.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kinabalu said:

    It also plays very well for remain. Brexit Britain = licking Trump's hindquarters.

    Indeed.

    "If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine kissing the rancid buttocks of a corpulent septuagenarian and eating chlorinated chicken ... FOREVER."
    Imagine if we had to wash down chlorinated chicken with chlorinated tap water . .
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    Scott_P said:
    Boris is a bully. And like all bullies folds like a wet napkin when bullied himself. It wouldn't have occurred to him to stand up for Britain against Trump, it's not what bullies do.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,696
    Oh dear. Matthew throwing his toys out of the pram...

    Guess we're going to see a lot of this in the next fortnight.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,711

    Cyclefree said:

    If anything were to make me a Corbynista, it would be the embarrassing and pitiful grovelling and arse-licking towards the US which the British politicians, particularly in the Tory party, indulge in.

    I have a lot of time for the US. But they are not always right or sensible or wise. And they act in their own interests, not our. Always have done. Always will. Long past the time for us to realise this and to stop this childish desire to be the the US’s best friend in a way which demeans us. The way we behave is little better than bending over and holding our ankles.

    It is both pathetic and humiliating.

    A pro-Trump Johnson could well revive the 2017 Labour coalition.

    No, as Boris wins over some 2017 Labour Leave voters as Ashcroft's poll showed yesterday while more Remainers vote LD or Green
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    OllyT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    If anything were to make me a Corbynista, it would be the embarrassing and pitiful grovelling and arse-licking towards the US which the British politicians, particularly in the Tory party, indulge in.

    I have a lot of time for the US. But they are not always right or sensible or wise. And they act in their own interests, not our. Always have done. Always will. Long past the time for us to realise this and to stop this childish desire to be the the US’s best friend in a way which demeans us. The way we behave is little better than bending over and holding our ankles.

    It is both pathetic and humiliating.

    A pro-Trump Johnson could well revive the 2017 Labour coalition.

    Under a different leader, yes. Under Corbyn, No. He carries too much baggage on anti-semitism, Brexit and his past dalliances with Hamas etc to pull any sort of coalition together
    They aren't past dalliances - they are part of his core beliefs.

    He openly supports enemies of the UK and of freedom
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,711
    edited July 2019
    RobD said:

    Jeez, what is it with remainers and arse licking today? :D

    Too busy licking Barnier and Juncker's!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    If anything were to make me a Corbynista, it would be the embarrassing and pitiful grovelling and arse-licking towards the US which the British politicians, particularly in the Tory party, indulge in.

    I have a lot of time for the US. But they are not always right or sensible or wise. And they act in their own interests, not our. Always have done. Always will. Long past the time for us to realise this and to stop this childish desire to be the the US’s best friend in a way which demeans us. The way we behave is little better than bending over and holding our ankles.

    It is both pathetic and humiliating.

    A pro-Trump Johnson could well revive the 2017 Labour coalition.

    No, as Boris wins over some 2017 Labour Leave voters as Ashcroft's poll showed yesterday while more Remainers vote LD or Green
    Please stop speaking on behalf of Leavers. You are a Remainer. You voted remain you are not a leaver and don't know what they are thinking or intend to do.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851

    For all the Back Boris bluster and noise, he is actually going to be the weakest PM we have seen in a long time.

    Yes, he really ought to come straight back from the palace and call an election.

    Hats off to him if he does. It's what we need.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    edited July 2019
    So oldish news but a change from Boris

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48934045

    Votes by MPs to legalise same-sex marriage and liberalise abortion law in Northern Ireland breach the devolution settlement, the Democratic Unionist Party has said.
    ....
    While the votes do not automatically change the law, they compel government to make the changes if devolution at Stormont is not restored by 21 October.

    The DUP said the votes make it more difficult to restore its power-sharing government with Sinn Féin that collapsed in January 2017 amid a bitter row.
    Can someone explain how the third paragraph follows from the second? Given the DUP viewpoint surely ensuring devolution at Stormont is restored 21 October is essential otherwise their views will have been overridden.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,711
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    If anything were to make me a Corbynista, it would be the embarrassing and pitiful grovelling and arse-licking towards the US which the British politicians, particularly in the Tory party, indulge in.

    I have a lot of time for the US. But they are not always right or sensible or wise. And they act in their own interests, not our. Always have done. Always will. Long past the time for us to realise this and to stop this childish desire to be the the US’s best friend in a way which demeans us. The way we behave is little better than bending over and holding our ankles.

    It is both pathetic and humiliating.

    A pro-Trump Johnson could well revive the 2017 Labour coalition.

    No, as Boris wins over some 2017 Labour Leave voters as Ashcroft's poll showed yesterday while more Remainers vote LD or Green
    Please stop speaking on behalf of Leavers. You are a Remainer. You voted remain you are not a leaver and don't know what they are thinking or intend to do.
    Don't you tell me who I speak for or not.

    I can read the polling evidence as much as anyone else, the majority of Leavers want to Leave Deal or No Deal in October
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,696
    edited July 2019
    This time in two weeks Boris will be kissing hands with HMQ. Then he'll go to Downing St and start choosing his Cabinet.

    And the Johsnon Ministry will have begun.

    Just let that sink in PB...

    Don't have nightmares. :D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,711
    GIN1138 said:

    Oh dear. Matthew throwing his toys out of the pram...

    Guess we're going to see a lot of this in the next fortnight.
    Yes as seen downthread, how dare we have a PM who actually campaigned for Leave and has an optimistic vision of Brexit!
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,911

    I would also say that whoever leaked this probably agreed with the Ambassadors assessment of Trump and was happy to see it more widely publicised.

    That hardly narrows it down
  • glwglw Posts: 9,535
    eek said:

    It may just be me but that isn't much money for a job in central London.
    Given the scale of the problem they are being asked to solve I would suggest sticking a zero on the end of those salaries.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    eek said:

    It may just be me but that isn't much money for a job in central London.
    Grade 7 isn't very senior!
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    GIN1138 said:

    This time in two weeks Boris will be kissing hands with HMQ. Then he'll go to Downing St and start choosing his Cabinet.

    And the Johsnon Ministry will have begun.

    Just let that sink in PB...

    Don't have nightmares. :D

    He has clearly already got his Cabinet picks worked out. The question is how he deals with people like Gove and Hunt.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    GIN1138 said:

    This time in two weeks Boris will be kissing hands with HMQ. Then he'll go to Downing St and start choosing his Cabinet.

    And the Johsnon Ministry will have begun.

    Just let that sink in PB...

    Don't have nightmares. :D

    In 15 days I suspect there will be a VoNC....
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,911
    Scott_P said:

    Boris Johnson may find himself in the driving seat, but will the pedals and steering wheel work? He might not have much control over the direction things take.

    https://twitter.com/fatshez/status/1148977408676155392
    Saying it and delivering it are not quite the same thing
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    edited July 2019
    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cyclefree said:

    If anything were to make me a Corbynista, it would be the embarrassing and pitiful grovelling and arse-licking towards the US which the British politicians, particularly in the Tory party, indulge in.

    I have a lot of time for the US. But they are not always right or sensible or wise. And they act in their own interests, not our. Always have done. Always will. Long past the time for us to realise this and to stop this childish desire to be the the US’s best friend in a way which demeans us. The way we behave is little better than bending over and holding our ankles.

    It is both pathetic and humiliating.

    A pro-Trump Johnson could well revive the 2017 Labour coalition.

    No, as Boris wins over some 2017 Labour Leave voters as Ashcroft's poll showed yesterday while more Remainers vote LD or Green
    Please stop speaking on behalf of Leavers. You are a Remainer. You voted remain you are not a leaver and don't know what they are thinking or intend to do.
    Don't you tell me who I speak for or not.

    I can read the polling evidence as much as anyone else, the majority of Leavers want to Leave Deal or No Deal in October
    You voted Remain you are a Remainer. You also say you are a conservative but I don't hear you tell us what Labour supporters would do. You have no idea. Likewise you are not a leaver so can't speak for them.

    And polls schmolls.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 10,458

    kinabalu said:

    It also plays very well for remain. Brexit Britain = licking Trump's hindquarters.

    Indeed.

    "If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine kissing the rancid buttocks of a corpulent septuagenarian and eating chlorinated chicken ... FOREVER."
    Imagine if we had to wash down chlorinated chicken with chlorinated tap water . .
    I think that misses the point. It is not the chlorination that is the issue but the reason for the chlorination and as I have never heard of a case of cruelty or mistreatment of water I think we are ok
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    glw said:
    Any excuse - boy the next few months are going to be fun...
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,454
    Scott_P said:
    Brits are obviously lying! Or at best uninformed of their own cognitive biases.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,454
    glw said:
    Will be remembered as a coward, incompetent, traitor and shortest serving PM ever. Should have stuck with HIGNFY.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    Scott_P said:
    "It's claimed" being a synonym for it's entirely made up ?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,535
    Scott_P said:
    A dishonest adulterous buffoonish coward.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    Vice Chair of Senate Intelligence Ctte tweets:

    https://twitter.com/MarkWarner/status/1148979821877309441
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    As for the replacement I read a few days before this blew up that there was an initiative to recruit non civil servants to ambassador roles. What prescient timing.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387

    Scott_P said:
    Brits are obviously lying! Or at best uninformed of their own cognitive biases.
    They SAY they want realism. They just like optimistic realism :)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575

    Scott_P said:
    Brits are obviously lying! Or at best uninformed of their own cognitive biases.
    Or extremely optimistic about their own realism.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,084
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Oh dear. Matthew throwing his toys out of the pram...

    Guess we're going to see a lot of this in the next fortnight.
    Yes as seen downthread, how dare we have a PM who actually campaigned for Leave and has an optimistic vision of Brexit!
    Because a blind man with an optimistic view of crossing the road is just what we need right now?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,837
    eek said:

    So oldish news but a change from Boris

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48934045


    Votes by MPs to legalise same-sex marriage and liberalise abortion law in Northern Ireland breach the devolution settlement, the Democratic Unionist Party has said.
    ....
    While the votes do not automatically change the law, they compel government to make the changes if devolution at Stormont is not restored by 21 October.

    The DUP said the votes make it more difficult to restore its power-sharing government with Sinn Féin that collapsed in January 2017 amid a bitter row.
    Can someone explain how the third paragraph follows from the second? Given the DUP viewpoint surely ensuring devolution at Stormont is restored 21 October is essential otherwise their views will have been overridden.

    I presume because Sinn Fein won't come back into government when there is the prospect of a monstrous humiliation for the DUP around the corner.
    On which, doesn't this make it more likely the DUP will pull support from the Government? They may well seek a GE rather than this.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    edited July 2019
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kjh said:

    kinabalu said:

    It also plays very well for remain. Brexit Britain = licking Trump's hindquarters.

    Indeed.

    "If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine kissing the rancid buttocks of a corpulent septuagenarian and eating chlorinated chicken ... FOREVER."
    Imagine if we had to wash down chlorinated chicken with chlorinated tap water . .
    I think that misses the point. It is not the chlorination that is the issue but the reason for the chlorination and as I have never heard of a case of cruelty or mistreatment of water I think we are ok
    The reason for the chlorination is for food hygiene. So long as it works for that purpose it shouldn't be banned.

    The logic against is like saying drivers seatbelts should be banned because that would make drivers drive safer.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    They'd love Rory over there. It's the accent you see.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    TOPPING said:

    As for the replacement I read a few days before this blew up that there was an initiative to recruit non civil servants to ambassador roles. What prescient timing.

    I see Richard Tice being in the frame.

    But when that happens I close my eyes immediately and keep them closed.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,711
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Oh dear. Matthew throwing his toys out of the pram...

    Guess we're going to see a lot of this in the next fortnight.
    Yes as seen downthread, how dare we have a PM who actually campaigned for Leave and has an optimistic vision of Brexit!
    Because a blind man with an optimistic view of crossing the road is just what we need right now?
    What we need is someone who believes in the FTA for GB and restoration of sovereignty and border control Vote Leave won on not someone trying to keep as close ties to the EU as possible if not outright trying to stop Brexit altogether
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    edited July 2019
    dixiedean said:

    eek said:

    So oldish news but a change from Boris

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48934045

    BBC said:


    Votes by MPs to legalise same-sex marriage and liberalise abortion law in Northern Ireland breach the devolution settlement, the Democratic Unionist Party has said.
    ....
    While the votes do not automatically change the law, they compel government to make the changes if devolution at Stormont is not restored by 21 October.

    The DUP said the votes make it more difficult to restore its power-sharing government with Sinn Féin that collapsed in January 2017 amid a bitter row.

    Can someone explain how the third paragraph follows from the second? Given the DUP viewpoint surely ensuring devolution at Stormont is restored 21 October is essential otherwise their views will have been overridden.
    I presume because Sinn Fein won't come back into government when there is the prospect of a monstrous humiliation for the DUP around the corner.
    On which, doesn't this make it more likely the DUP will pull support from the Government? They may well seek a GE rather than this.
    Hmm an election makes removing the law in time impossible. the DUP really don't have a good route out of this. My (more liberal) NI are loving this.

    As for Boris I suspect you are right - Early today I had Boris as PM until September 6th (as I expected a VoNC after the recess) I now half suspect it might be immediate on July 25th and he will lose...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Oh dear. Matthew throwing his toys out of the pram...

    Guess we're going to see a lot of this in the next fortnight.
    Yes as seen downthread, how dare we have a PM who actually campaigned for Leave and has an optimistic vision of Brexit!
    Because a blind man with an optimistic view of crossing the road is just what we need right now?
    What we need is someone who believes in the FTA for GB and restoration of sovereignty and border control Vote Leave won on not someone trying to keep as close ties to the EU as possible if not outright trying to stop Brexit altogether
    Nah. What you, I and the other Remainers want is to maintain very close ties to the EU.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,711
    edited July 2019
    GIN1138 said:

    This time in two weeks Boris will be kissing hands with HMQ. Then he'll go to Downing St and start choosing his Cabinet.

    And the Johsnon Ministry will have begun.

    Just let that sink in PB...

    Don't have nightmares. :D

    Yes and if Boris does win a majority the tantrums and throwing toys out of the pram here on election night will be worth staying up all night for!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043
    Could be May's last act before the deluge engulfs us all.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    glw said:
    He does not come across as a natural leader does he? He will be a millstone around our necks dragging us down to the depths...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Oh dear. Matthew throwing his toys out of the pram...

    Guess we're going to see a lot of this in the next fortnight.
    Yes as seen downthread, how dare we have a PM who actually campaigned for Leave and has an optimistic vision of Brexit!
    Because a blind man with an optimistic view of crossing the road is just what we need right now?
    What we need is someone who believes in the FTA for GB and restoration of sovereignty and border control Vote Leave won on not someone trying to keep as close ties to the EU as possible if not outright trying to stop Brexit altogether
    GB is not the country. The question asked in the referendum was should the United Kingdom leave the EU not should GB.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    As for the replacement I read a few days before this blew up that there was an initiative to recruit non civil servants to ambassador roles. What prescient timing.

    I see Richard Tice being in the frame.

    But when that happens I close my eyes immediately and keep them closed.
    He would have to give up being an MEP if he was a diplomat. I doubt he would be willing to do that and his business interests might be a problem as well. I think it is just newspaper gossip! Interesting but a complete non-starter.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    edited July 2019
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    This time in two weeks Boris will be kissing hands with HMQ. Then he'll go to Downing St and start choosing his Cabinet.

    And the Johsnon Ministry will have begun.

    Just let that sink in PB...

    Don't have nightmares. :D

    Yes and if Boris does win a majority the tantrums and throwing out of the pram here on election night will be worth staying up all night for!
    It will be. However, I strongly suspect it won't be the case as 2 posters will kill it.

    1) Boris in Trump's pocket will send people towards remain.
    2) Boris in Farage's pocket will send people towards Brexit.

    Pockets may not be necessary, puppets work just as well...

    As I've stated for months the Tory party is dead the only question is how and when it dies.. And the when determines the how...
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited July 2019
    eek said:

    So oldish news but a change from Boris

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48934045

    BBC said:


    Votes by MPs to legalise same-sex marriage and liberalise abortion law in Northern Ireland breach the devolution settlement, the Democratic Unionist Party has said.
    ....
    While the votes do not automatically change the law, they compel government to make the changes if devolution at Stormont is not restored by 21 October.

    The DUP said the votes make it more difficult to restore its power-sharing government with Sinn Féin that collapsed in January 2017 amid a bitter row.

    Can someone explain how the third paragraph follows from the second? Given the DUP viewpoint surely ensuring devolution at Stormont is restored 21 October is essential otherwise their views will have been overridden.
    It's because Sinn Fein have been in favour of those liberalising moves in the Republic, so they aren't likely to allow the DUP to prevent the changes in NI.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    Corbyn has been somewhat lucky today - the resignation of our Ambassador is somewhat overshadowing the exposure of his involvement in the Labour failure to tackle anti-semitism.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,540
    Almost worth it for the detonations......

    https://twitter.com/colinrtalbot/status/1148994327940648960
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    Meanwhile, another thread of polling showing how unhinged Leave supporters are:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1148927977306099714

    Is that unhinged? I like both unions and would like to keep them. But I guess that if you don't value the European one it is consistent to be indifferent to the UK one as well.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,711

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Oh dear. Matthew throwing his toys out of the pram...

    Guess we're going to see a lot of this in the next fortnight.
    Yes as seen downthread, how dare we have a PM who actually campaigned for Leave and has an optimistic vision of Brexit!
    Because a blind man with an optimistic view of crossing the road is just what we need right now?
    What we need is someone who believes in the FTA for GB and restoration of sovereignty and border control Vote Leave won on not someone trying to keep as close ties to the EU as possible if not outright trying to stop Brexit altogether
    GB is not the country. The question asked in the referendum was should the United Kingdom leave the EU not should GB.
    And Northern Ireland voted Remain unlike GB and is the only part of the UK bordering a part of the EU and can decide by referendum if it wants the backstop to avoid a hard border with the Republic and protect the Good Friday Agreement or wants to join the UK immediately out of the Customs Union
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    edited July 2019

    eek said:

    So oldish news but a change from Boris

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48934045

    BBC said:


    Votes by MPs to legalise same-sex marriage and liberalise abortion law in Northern Ireland breach the devolution settlement, the Democratic Unionist Party has said.
    ....
    While the votes do not automatically change the law, they compel government to make the changes if devolution at Stormont is not restored by 21 October.

    The DUP said the votes make it more difficult to restore its power-sharing government with Sinn Féin that collapsed in January 2017 amid a bitter row.

    Can someone explain how the third paragraph follows from the second? Given the DUP viewpoint surely ensuring devolution at Stormont is restored 21 October is essential otherwise their views will have been overridden.
    It's because Sinn Fein have been in favour of those liberalising moves in the Republic, so they aren't likely to allow the DUP to prevent the changes in NI.
    So how does the DUP resolve the issue as I suspect that is going to seriously impact the next few months....

    Equally how does Boris fix it so the DUP don't abstain when the VoNC (on July 25th) occurs...
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,696

    Vice Chair of Senate Intelligence Ctte tweets:

    https://twitter.com/MarkWarner/status/1148979821877309441

    Democrat? :D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,711
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    This time in two weeks Boris will be kissing hands with HMQ. Then he'll go to Downing St and start choosing his Cabinet.

    And the Johsnon Ministry will have begun.

    Just let that sink in PB...

    Don't have nightmares. :D

    Yes and if Boris does win a majority the tantrums and throwing out of the pram here on election night will be worth staying up all night for!
    It will be. However, I strongly suspect it won't be the case as 2 posters will kill it.

    1) Boris in Trump's pocket will send people towards remain.
    2) Boris in Farage's pocket will send people towards Brexit.

    Pockets may not be necessary, puppets work just as well...

    As I've stated for months the Tory party is dead the only question is how and when it dies.. And the when determines the how...
    No Brexit kills the Tories, commitment to delivering Brexit saves it
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Almost worth it for the detonations......

    https://twitter.com/colinrtalbot/status/1148994327940648960

    Sir Ivan Rogers would be even better.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,232
    Scott_P said:
    Holy God above, are they serious? How nepotistic can you get?

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,711

    Meanwhile, another thread of polling showing how unhinged Leave supporters are:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1148927977306099714

    Is that unhinged? I like both unions and would like to keep them. But I guess that if you don't value the European one it is consistent to be indifferent to the UK one as well.
    Exactly, they want the UK Union but if Scots or Northern Ireland voters insist on Remain as their price for staying in the UK they prefer Brexit for Englsnd and Wales
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    nico67 said:

    Brilliant , gets my vote even though I’m not a Corbyn fan.

    If you want to not be Trumps lapdog vote Labour .
    Corbyn wouldn't have been my choice for Labour leader, and I still think Labour would be doing better with somebody else. But you have to say if you compare him to what the Tories are serving up at the moment he's definitely the better offer.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    eek said:

    eek said:

    So oldish news but a change from Boris

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48934045

    BBC said:


    Votes by MPs to legalise same-sex marriage and liberalise abortion law in Northern Ireland breach the devolution settlement, the Democratic Unionist Party has said.
    ....
    While the votes do not automatically change the law, they compel government to make the changes if devolution at Stormont is not restored by 21 October.

    The DUP said the votes make it more difficult to restore its power-sharing government with Sinn Féin that collapsed in January 2017 amid a bitter row.

    Can someone explain how the third paragraph follows from the second? Given the DUP viewpoint surely ensuring devolution at Stormont is restored 21 October is essential otherwise their views will have been overridden.
    It's because Sinn Fein have been in favour of those liberalising moves in the Republic, so they aren't likely to allow the DUP to prevent the changes in NI.
    So how does the DUP resolve the issue as I suspect that is going to seriously impact the next few months....

    Equally how does Boris fix it so the DUP don't abstain when the VoNC (on July 25th) occurs...
    Following on from this given that a VoNC destroys Boris does he go for a general election on the 24th and how will Labour play it?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,454
    HYUFD said:
    They make slightly more sense than the other 46%!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,837
    Crispin Blunt making hard work of defending Bozza on PM.
    "We need optimism, hope and a bit of oomph."
    And that is all.
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