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edited November 2013 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Only problem with the Dimbleby tattoo bet is how you’ll prove that he’s done it

You can get 16/1 from Hills that Dimbleby will get tattooed this year
See story http://t.co/dpCd2YpAMp pic.twitter.com/V5c6gytIO4

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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    edited November 2013
    True, you'd have to rely on him discussing it and showing it in an article or interview.

    EDIT: Ah, I see his quote above now. Wonder where he wants it?
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    In a comment in the story Dimbleby says “The only person who will see my tattoo is the undertaker.”
    A long day to await. How "potected" is this protagonist...?
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,965
    edited November 2013
    Does the Bullingdon have any insignia? Perhaps a champagne cork tat?
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    If this weren't a family site we could consider asking Marf to contribute.
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    tim said:

    The spread on how many posts before the thread descends into PB Tory whining about BBC bias is currently 12-14

    Is that a '7-6 on' observation or have you just dribbled over your keyboard...?
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    NextNext Posts: 826
    edited November 2013
    Don't know if this has been posted here...

    Rebel rocket attack.

    (watch through - don't skip)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsF3HspQY6A

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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Gotta love this market from Paddy Power - weight of the next POTUS!

    http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1474463

    Isnt Chris Christie on a weightloss drive?
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    murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,040
    edited November 2013
    FPT: CarlottaVance

    So the UK PM attending the CHOGM is the right thing to do?

    Treating and dining with war criminals is only acceptable (and even then at a stretch) if you get something in return. The Sri Lankan Goverment's usual approach to international diplomacy is to treat it with utter contempt and do what it wants to do. You should read up about Mahinda Rajapaksa's increasingly authotorian regime and then maybe you will get with the programme buddy...

    To think that William Hague will get something tangible from the Sri Lankan Government is laughable. They will play him and stitch him up like a kipper - watch this space...
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811

    tim said:

    The spread on how many posts before the thread descends into PB Tory whining about BBC bias is currently 12-14

    Is that a '7-6 on' observation or have you just dribbled over your keyboard...?
    Fluffy , has something happened to you , most of your posts nowadays are in English. What has caused this phenomenon.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811
    53,000 Scousers meet in Anfield for a 'Scousers Are Not Stupid' convention.

    Steven Gerrard addresses the crowd.. 'We are all here today to prove to the world that Scousers
    are not stupid. Can I have a volunteer please?'
    Wayne Rooney gingerly works his way through the crowd and steps up to the stage.
    Gerrard asks him 'What is 15 plus 15?'
    After 15 or 20 seconds Rooney says, ' Forty!'


    Obviously everyone is a little disappointed. Then the Scousers start chanting

    'Give him another chance! Give him another chance!'

    Gerrard says, 'Well since we have a capacity crowd, world-wide press and global
    broadcast media here, I think we can give him another chance.'
    So he asks, 'What is 5 plus 5?'
    After nearly 30 seconds he eventually says, ' Twelve?'



    Gerrard looks down and just lets out a dejected sigh.
    Everyone is disheartened and Rooney starts crying.
    But then the 53,000 Scousers begin to yell and wave their hands shouting,

    'Give him another chance! Give him another chance!'

    Gerrard, unsure whether he is now doing more harm than good eventually says,
    'OK then, what is 2 plus 2?'
    Silence hangs over the stadium.
    Rooney closes his eyes, and after a whole minute eventually says, 'Four?'



    Pandemonium breaks out throughout the stadium as the Scouse crowd stand to a man,
    wave their arms, stomp their feet and scream,

    'Give him another chance! Give him another chance!'

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    malcolmg said:

    Fluffy , has something happened to you , most of your posts nowadays are in English. What has caused this phenomenon.

    Bollox!
    :passim-etc-yawn-whatever:
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    tim said:

    Neil said:

    Gotta love this market from Paddy Power - weight of the next POTUS!

    http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1474463

    Isnt Chris Christie on a weightloss drive?

    He is reported to have weighed 350lbs before the gastric band, three Hillary's, who is 115 lb.

    tim said:

    Neil said:

    Gotta love this market from Paddy Power - weight of the next POTUS!

    http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1474463

    Isnt Chris Christie on a weightloss drive?

    He is reported to have weighed 350lbs before the gastric band, three Hillary's, who is 115 lb.

    Can imagine the commotion on the steps of the Capitol Building as a minion rushes up to the winning candidate to say "before you take the oath from the Chief Justice would you mind stepping on these scales so Paddy can settle a market?".
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811
    edited November 2013

    malcolmg said:

    Fluffy , has something happened to you , most of your posts nowadays are in English. What has caused this phenomenon.

    Bollox!
    :passim-etc-yawn-whatever:

    I reckon you are an imposter, or been got at by aliens, but that last reply does look more like the real thing
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    Good afternoon, everyone.

    F1: just a few hours late, the BBC has the Raikkonen story:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24889383

    They reckoned Valsecchi's likeliest to get the seat for the last two races. Probably true, although I've heard Hulkenberg may be free to move (especially if he still hasn't been paid).
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    NextNext Posts: 826
    "Former Defence Secretary Lord Reid has warned UK warships will not be built in Scotland if there is a "Yes" vote in next year's independence referendum."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-24889604
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    Next said:

    "Former Defence Secretary Lord Reid has warned UK warships will not be built in Scotland if there is a "Yes" vote in next year's independence referendum."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-24889604

    That'd be Lord Mandy Rice-Davies Reid?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811
    Next said:

    "Former Defence Secretary Lord Reid has warned UK warships will not be built in Scotland if there is a "Yes" vote in next year's independence referendum."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-24889604

    Another no hoper peddles snake oil shock. As if it is worth staying with the corrupt union just to have a couple of thousand shipyard jobs for a year or so. They will close Govan in short order in any event.
    Only complete fools or thick unionists are likely to be fooled by all these unionist troughers spouting doom and gloom.
    We know up here that they are all inveterate liars and would do anything to keep their own pockets being filled.
    This is the CLOWN who predicted not a bullet would be fired in Afghanistan.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @afneil: Great confusion after Ms Harman's statement on press. Hacked Off's Evan Harris having kittens. Rest of us trying to work out what she meant.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    What was all that about the No campaign being negative?

    Set against a sea of good humour and positivity for Yes?


    I may have missed it!
    Next said:

    "Former Defence Secretary Lord Reid has warned UK warships will not be built in Scotland if there is a "Yes" vote in next year's independence referendum."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-24889604

    Another no hoper peddles snake oil shock. As if it is worth staying with the corrupt union just to have a couple of thousand shipyard jobs for a year or so. They will close Govan in short order in any event.
    Only complete fools or thick unionists are likely to be fooled by all these unionist troughers spouting doom and gloom.
    We know up here that they are all inveterate liars and would do anything to keep their own pockets being filled.
    This is the CLOWN who predicted not a bullet would be fired in Afghanistan.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811

    What was all that about the No campaign being negative?

    Set against a sea of good humour and positivity for Yes?


    I may have missed it!

    Next said:

    "Former Defence Secretary Lord Reid has warned UK warships will not be built in Scotland if there is a "Yes" vote in next year's independence referendum."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-24889604

    Another no hoper peddles snake oil shock. As if it is worth staying with the corrupt union just to have a couple of thousand shipyard jobs for a year or so. They will close Govan in short order in any event.
    Only complete fools or thick unionists are likely to be fooled by all these unionist troughers spouting doom and gloom.
    We know up here that they are all inveterate liars and would do anything to keep their own pockets being filled.
    This is the CLOWN who predicted not a bullet would be fired in Afghanistan.


    You unable to read. I am writing in a personal manner and am verily sick of idiots like Reid spouting on about crumbs from the westminster table.
    We will see how smart he is regarding the fate of the rusting nuclear hulks and large stock of nuclear weapons waiting to be handed back to London. His coupon will not be so smug on that one. Have you yet seen a unionist boasting about how they will be taking their radioactive junk off us if we vote YES.
    Fanny.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811


    The Chief of Defence Staff has said the Westminster government will “get our ships in the place it makes the most sense” – blasting a hole in suggestions that if Scotland votes Yes then Glasgow would lose out on work to build the Type 26 ships.
    Speaking on the BBC Andrew Marr programme today, General Sir Nicholas Houghton said:
    “(The decision) was very much a matter of a business rationalisation. In terms of raw business sense it makes sense the place where they have the greatest capacity and the best depth of skills – which is on the Clyde – so it is driven by a business decision.
    “We live in a world now where it is not for the purposes of the defence budget to underwrite elements of industry. We will go and get our ships in the place where it makes the most sense for the British taxpayer in terms of getting the right capability for the armed forces.”
    The UK government and BAE Systems made clear its decision earlier this week was based on the fact Glasgow is “the most effective location for the manufacture of the future Type 26 ships”
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,908
    malcolmg said:



    The Chief of Defence Staff has said the Westminster government will “get our ships in the place it makes the most sense” – blasting a hole in suggestions that if Scotland votes Yes then Glasgow would lose out on work to build the Type 26 ships.
    Speaking on the BBC Andrew Marr programme today, General Sir Nicholas Houghton said:
    “(The decision) was very much a matter of a business rationalisation. In terms of raw business sense it makes sense the place where they have the greatest capacity and the best depth of skills – which is on the Clyde – so it is driven by a business decision.
    “We live in a world now where it is not for the purposes of the defence budget to underwrite elements of industry. We will go and get our ships in the place where it makes the most sense for the British taxpayer in terms of getting the right capability for the armed forces.”
    The UK government and BAE Systems made clear its decision earlier this week was based on the fact Glasgow is “the most effective location for the manufacture of the future Type 26 ships”

    "The place that makes most sense" might well not be Scotland after independence. The best of luck to you if you gain independence, but only an idiot would assume that many things that made sense before, might not do afterwards.

    The equation will have altered.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,130
    Epic defence by Sunderland against City.
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    Spurs = Typical.

    2 week break to recover with International break - just like last time vs Spanners....

    Still there's always the Worthington cup...
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    Spurs = Typical.

    2 week break to recover with International break - just like last time vs Spanners....

    Still there's always the Worthington cup...

    Spurs = Abject

    That first half was among our worst performances of the last five seasons. And although Krul was good in the second half, our finishing was woeful. He should never have had the chance to make the saves he did. It'll have to be a cup this season, the top 4 is certainly beyond us - we are far to easy to play against and do not know how to score goals. Now watch Arsenal beat United. A dreadful, dreadful day for football!!

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,130

    Spurs = Typical.

    2 week break to recover with International break - just like last time vs Spanners....

    Still there's always the Worthington cup...

    Spurs = Abject

    That first half was among our worst performances of the last five seasons. And although Krul was good in the second half, our finishing was woeful. He should never have had the chance to make the saves he did. It'll have to be a cup this season, the top 4 is certainly beyond us - we are far to easy to play against and do not know how to score goals. Now watch Arsenal beat United. A dreadful, dreadful day for football!!

    If United lose today (and I fear the worst) they will stuggle to get into the top 4 as well. A huge day for Moyes.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    It's not the top 4 you would have predicted after a quarter of the season.
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    DavidL said:

    Spurs = Typical.

    2 week break to recover with International break - just like last time vs Spanners....

    Still there's always the Worthington cup...

    Spurs = Abject

    That first half was among our worst performances of the last five seasons. And although Krul was good in the second half, our finishing was woeful. He should never have had the chance to make the saves he did. It'll have to be a cup this season, the top 4 is certainly beyond us - we are far to easy to play against and do not know how to score goals. Now watch Arsenal beat United. A dreadful, dreadful day for football!!

    If United lose today (and I fear the worst) they will stuggle to get into the top 4 as well. A huge day for Moyes.

    Don't worry - you've got Spurs soon!

    But Arsenal will surely prevail today.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,130

    DavidL said:

    Spurs = Typical.

    2 week break to recover with International break - just like last time vs Spanners....

    Still there's always the Worthington cup...

    Spurs = Abject

    That first half was among our worst performances of the last five seasons. And although Krul was good in the second half, our finishing was woeful. He should never have had the chance to make the saves he did. It'll have to be a cup this season, the top 4 is certainly beyond us - we are far to easy to play against and do not know how to score goals. Now watch Arsenal beat United. A dreadful, dreadful day for football!!

    If United lose today (and I fear the worst) they will stuggle to get into the top 4 as well. A huge day for Moyes.

    Don't worry - you've got Spurs soon!

    But Arsenal will surely prevail today.

    Wouldn't be surprised if RVP scores first though.
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    When Spurs do come back, we're next away to Man City then at home to Man Utd....

    Lamela has his best game for us so far on Thursday night = not brought on today.

    2 weeks off now - that's a way to get his confidence up.

    11 games, 9 goals, 2 home defeats to the big boys, West Ham and Newcastle to 0 in both.

    We struggle twice vs Hull in a week, Saints stuff them 4-1.

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I have no problems with the RN moving bases and employment South after independence. Why would we want to be reliant on a foreign country opposed to our Naval policy for shipbuilding?

    Defence spending has both security and porkbarrel aspects that would mean new ships would be built south of the border. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not very bright.
    malcolmg said:

    What was all that about the No campaign being negative?

    Set against a sea of good humour and positivity for Yes?


    I may have missed it!

    Next said:

    "Former Defence Secretary Lord Reid has warned UK warships will not be built in Scotland if there is a "Yes" vote in next year's independence referendum."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-24889604

    Another no hoper peddles snake oil shock. As if it is worth staying with the corrupt union just to have a couple of thousand shipyard jobs for a year or so. They will close Govan in short order in any event.
    Only complete fools or thick unionists are likely to be fooled by all these unionist troughers spouting doom and gloom.
    We know up here that they are all inveterate liars and would do anything to keep their own pockets being filled.
    This is the CLOWN who predicted not a bullet would be fired in Afghanistan.
    You unable to read. I am writing in a personal manner and am verily sick of idiots like Reid spouting on about crumbs from the westminster table.
    We will see how smart he is regarding the fate of the rusting nuclear hulks and large stock of nuclear weapons waiting to be handed back to London. His coupon will not be so smug on that one. Have you yet seen a unionist boasting about how they will be taking their radioactive junk off us if we vote YES.
    Fanny.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,130
    Damn I should have put money on that.
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    murali_s said:

    FPT: CarlottaVance

    So the UK PM attending the CHOGM is the right thing to do?

    Given its happening - Yes.

    Should it be happening in Sri Lanka - no.

    But that was a Commonwealth decision.

    And, funnily enough, it makes its own decisions these days, and no longer does what its told by London. (Scottish Labour - take note.)

    So far the 'boycott' has only produced one absentee (no - much as you'd like, you can't claim India as it is not boycotting - the FM is going and the PM is preoccupied) - so looks like the UK, along with the vast majority of the Commonwealth believe engagement is a better route to solutions than boycotts. T'was ever thus.....


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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    edited November 2013


    Defence spending has both security and porkbarrel aspects that would mean new ships would be built south of the border. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not very bright.

    Or believes that independence means that Scottish jobs in England move to Scotland, while English jobs in Scotland stay in Scotland.....

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    Oh look! It still hasn't gone away!

    Why Falkirk is a 'cesspit' for Ed Miliband

    “I really hope a deal hasn’t been done,” said a worried Labour MP yesterday. “In which Ed agrees not to reopen the Falkirk inquiry and Unite says it will fund the election campaign. I really hope that isn’t what has happened. But it is starting to look like it.”

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100245232/why-falkirk-is-a-cesspit-for-ed-miliband/
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    ED Miliband landed in Scotland on Thursday for a flying visit.

    The Labour leader is fortunate his flight made it through when the sky was so full of his party’s chickens coming home to roost.


    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/opinion/mail-opinion-ed-miliband-should-2716435
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    malcolmg said:



    The Chief of Defence Staff has said the Westminster government will “get our ships in the place it makes the most sense” – blasting a hole in suggestions that if Scotland votes Yes then Glasgow would lose out on work to build the Type 26 ships.
    Speaking on the BBC Andrew Marr programme today, General Sir Nicholas Houghton said:
    “(The decision) was very much a matter of a business rationalisation. In terms of raw business sense it makes sense the place where they have the greatest capacity and the best depth of skills – which is on the Clyde – so it is driven by a business decision.
    “We live in a world now where it is not for the purposes of the defence budget to underwrite elements of industry. We will go and get our ships in the place where it makes the most sense for the British taxpayer in terms of getting the right capability for the armed forces.”
    The UK government and BAE Systems made clear its decision earlier this week was based on the fact Glasgow is “the most effective location for the manufacture of the future Type 26 ships”

    The idea that England and Scotland are suddenly going to become enemies after 300 years of union and with massive shared interests in security and economic growth has always been one of the most ridiculous arguments proposed by the Unionists. It will be in England's strategic interests to ensure that our next door neighbour is as secure militarily as we are and to that end I can see very little changing as far as national (x2) security is concerned.

    My only hope is that Scotland might see sense and realise the benefits of continuing with the nuclear base as that serves to protect both nations.

    But otherwise it is the best interests of both countries to ensure that their combined military forces are as cost effective, efficient and integrated as possible. I see no signs that the senior politicians of all parties on both sides of the border don't see that.
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    But otherwise it is the best interests of both countries to ensure that their combined military forces are as cost effective, efficient and integrated as possible. I see no signs that the senior politicians of all parties on both sides of the border don't see that.

    To what extent do we "integrate" with Southern Ireland? The situation would be analogous.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,130
    The idea that Scotland as an independent country is going to have anything like a T26 in its navy is so far fetched as to be absurd. We would probably end up with some coastal defence vessels but that would be it.

    So unless the UK can sell those 2 ridiculous air craft carriers or the T26s they will have the navy and they will base it and any replacements in England. It really is silly to pretend anything else.

    None of this means that it would not be in the interests of both countries to come to agreements re existing bases etc. Let's face it money will be even tighter all round both sides of the border. But the SNP supporters who refuse to accept any adverse consequence of independence no matter how obvious do nothing to boost their credibility.
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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    @Richard T

    Exactly right Richard - hear hear. The childish arguments advanced by unionists make me be embarrassed to be a unionist! So far I have read (in otherwise generally respected newspapers)

    1. There will be patrol boats on the Tweed to stop people swimming over the border
    2. A form of wall will be constructed where the frontier runs over land
    3. The UK government will refuse to procure any services from Scotland
    4. The Bank of England will refuse to allow the National Bank of Scotland to use Sterling, and will seek sanctions against it should it attempt to do so

    None of these are in any way likely.

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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,965
    edited November 2013

    I have no problems with the RN moving bases and employment South after independence. Why would we want to be reliant on a foreign country opposed to our Naval policy for shipbuilding?

    Defence spending has both security and porkbarrel aspects that would mean new ships would be built south of the border. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not very bright.

    Amazing that successive UK governments have managed to ignore the security and pork barrel aspects of buying nuclear weapon systems, choppers, fighter aircraft, military transport aircraft, carrier-borne fighters, AAMs, SAMs, cruise missiles etc, etc.

    Anyone who thinks that any future UK or rUK government would as a matter of absolute principle refuse to have warships built outwith their borders, isn’t very bright, or is self deceiving.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    GeoffM said:



    To what extent do we "integrate" with Southern Ireland? The situation would be analogous.

    Here's hoping we can avoid a trade war between Scotland the rest of the UK! The UK retained naval bases in the Free State after independence but the circumstances of Scotland gaining independence would be very, very different to those of 90 odd years ago.
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    Bobajob said:

    So far I have read (in otherwise generally respected newspapers)

    Links?

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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    Oh look! It still hasn't gone away!

    Why Falkirk is a 'cesspit' for Ed Miliband

    “I really hope a deal hasn’t been done,” said a worried Labour MP yesterday. “In which Ed agrees not to reopen the Falkirk inquiry and Unite says it will fund the election campaign. I really hope that isn’t what has happened. But it is starting to look like it.”

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100245232/why-falkirk-is-a-cesspit-for-ed-miliband/

    You are utterly obsessed with this story. Move on!
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,908
    murali_s said:

    FPT: CarlottaVance

    So the UK PM attending the CHOGM is the right thing to do?

    (snip)

    To think that William Hague will get something tangible from the Sri Lankan Government is laughable. They will play him and stitch him up like a kipper - watch this space...

    On the whole, I think it is right to attend. The country had a brutal 25-year civil war that closely involved a much larger third country. Up to 100,000 people died, with violence on all sides.

    Any country hosing such a shindig tries to make political capital out of it internally - as we did when we hosted the G8 summit in 2005 (oddly, this year's in Northern Ireland seems to have been a much quieter affair, or so it seemed to me).

    What has to happen is:
    1) (this is admittedly difficult): ensure that holding the summit does not condone what happened.
    2) encourage the government to help the northern populations who have suffered. Some of the allegations of current government rule in those areas is worrying, to say the least.
    3) ideally, the government would be convinced to cooperate with an international investigation (an extension of the UNs?), which would look fairly in to everything that happened over the entirety of the war, not just the end. This would have to include India's actions.

    The rebels were a bunch of hideous ****s - calling one side 'war criminals' whilst not mentioning the crimes of the various rebel groups is rather disingenuous.

    As I've said before, I've been on a journey wrt the Sri Lankan conflict. In the early 1990s I favoured the rebels: I did not know much about the conflict, and it was the side favoured by many of my university friends. As I got older and read more about the conflict, I despised both sides. Towards the end I felt much more contempt for the rebels than the government. So perhaps that colours my view.

    Anything that helps that country back to normality is good. And normality includes diplomatic relations. If we attend, they may listen to us. If we do not, they certainly will not.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_war_crimes_during_the_Sri_Lankan_Civil_War
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Bobajob said:


    1. There will be patrol boats on the Tweed to stop people swimming over the border

    Piranhas would be cheaper. With little St George's flag thermal waistcoats on to keep out the cold.
    Bobajob said:


    2. A form of wall will be constructed where the frontier runs over land

    Dig a moat and use the piranhas (see above)
    Bobajob said:


    None of these are in any way likely.

    I've bought a franchise for a piranha farm, so I'm hoping you're wrong.

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    “The only person who will see my tattoo is the undertaker.”
    “William Hill offering that he'll do it 16/1 before end 2013 5/1 before end 2014”

    A tattoo at his age! – why the hell not I say. Growing old disgracefully is the new respectable.

    Presumably William Hill is happy to pay out on Dimbleby’s say so, rather than requiring evidential proof?
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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    GeoffM said:

    Bobajob said:


    1. There will be patrol boats on the Tweed to stop people swimming over the border

    Piranhas would be cheaper. With little St George's flag thermal waistcoats on to keep out the cold.
    Bobajob said:


    2. A form of wall will be constructed where the frontier runs over land

    Dig a moat and use the piranhas (see above)
    Bobajob said:


    None of these are in any way likely.

    I've bought a franchise for a piranha farm, so I'm hoping you're wrong.

    :) very droll Geoff.
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    OT - on the subject of why the Brits are displaying sang froid over surveillance, Freedland in an article in the NYT (possibly tailored to his NY audience) argued that we are subservient 'subjects', while Americans are freedom loving 'citizens'.

    Having worked for an American multinational, this struck me as 100% bollocks - with the British much less deferential than the Americans.

    The typical American reaction to a command from on high was 'Yes Sir!' - while the typical British reaction was 'Oh god, what's the old fool come up with now?'

    I know, I know, anecdote...however, this blog post struck me as a much more persuasive argument that Freedland's:

    http://blogs.ft.com/the-world/2013/11/why-the-british-like-their-spies/

    "Britain, in the neat phrase of my colleague, Martin Wolf, has long been a “warfare state” – mobilised to protect British freedom"
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    Bobajob said:

    Oh look! It still hasn't gone away!

    Why Falkirk is a 'cesspit' for Ed Miliband

    “I really hope a deal hasn’t been done,” said a worried Labour MP yesterday. “In which Ed agrees not to reopen the Falkirk inquiry and Unite says it will fund the election campaign. I really hope that isn’t what has happened. But it is starting to look like it.”

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100245232/why-falkirk-is-a-cesspit-for-ed-miliband/

    You are utterly obsessed with this story. Move on!
    Not me dear...the press...you're the one obsessed with shutting it down....

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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,908
    Bobajob said:

    Oh look! It still hasn't gone away!

    Why Falkirk is a 'cesspit' for Ed Miliband

    “I really hope a deal hasn’t been done,” said a worried Labour MP yesterday. “In which Ed agrees not to reopen the Falkirk inquiry and Unite says it will fund the election campaign. I really hope that isn’t what has happened. But it is starting to look like it.”

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100245232/why-falkirk-is-a-cesspit-for-ed-miliband/

    You are utterly obsessed with this story. Move on!
    Did you think the same about the Mitchell story, which was several orders of magnitude less important? Or did you think the weeks of near-continuous coverage in that case were valid?

    *If* the worst of the allegations about Falkirk are true (and the jury is nowhere near sitting yet), then it reflects exceptionally poorly on all the involved parties. Vote-rigging, witness intimidation, false signatures, and data-protection laws smashed. And that is without including the Grangemouth mess.

    It is not just Labour's political opposition saying this: senior Labour politicians have been calling for an inquiry into what happened as well.

    There is a big story here, even if the worst of the allegations are untrue. After all, it has already cost one shadow cabinet minister (*) his job.

    (*) Is 'shadow cabinet minister' the correct term for 'general election co-ordinator'. If not, what is? 'shadow cabinet member'?
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,918
    edited November 2013
    GeoffM said:

    But otherwise it is the best interests of both countries to ensure that their combined military forces are as cost effective, efficient and integrated as possible. I see no signs that the senior politicians of all parties on both sides of the border don't see that.

    To what extent do we "integrate" with Southern Ireland? The situation would be analogous.

    The situation would in no way be analogous. Independence for Ireland came after a long and bloody struggle with atrocities being committed by both sides. Thankfully we have come a long way since then and if Scotland gained its Independence then it would be by peaceful negotiation and democratic decisions rather than warfare.

    Secondly Ireland then decided to adopt a position of formal neutrality. I have not yet seen any suggestion that Scotland is considering this move.

    The situations, background and feelings/hatred by both sides are very different.
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    Bobajob said:

    Oh look! It still hasn't gone away!

    Why Falkirk is a 'cesspit' for Ed Miliband

    “I really hope a deal hasn’t been done,” said a worried Labour MP yesterday. “In which Ed agrees not to reopen the Falkirk inquiry and Unite says it will fund the election campaign. I really hope that isn’t what has happened. But it is starting to look like it.”

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100245232/why-falkirk-is-a-cesspit-for-ed-miliband/

    You are utterly obsessed with this story. Move on!
    There is a big story here, even if the worst of the allegations are untrue. After all, it has already cost one shadow cabinet minister (*) his job.
    That's currently speculation. Tom Watson's spontaneous resignation from the Shadow Cabinet, Deputy Chairman of the Labour Party and General Election Coordinator may be a complete coincidence. Or not. What ever it is, its obviously a non-story
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,965
    edited November 2013
    Neil said:

    but the circumstances of Scotland gaining independence would be very, very different to those of 90 odd years ago.

    On the evidence displayed here, an rUK government would be in a massively huffy huff, headlining at the Huffington Post.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Neil said:

    but the circumstances of Scotland gaining independence would be very, very different to those of 90 odd years ago.

    By the evidence displayed here, an rUK government would be in a massively huffy huff, headlining at the Huffington Post.
    I dont think repatriating a defence contract would be a particularly huffy thing to do. It would hardly even count as an unfriendly act. If the vote is for independence it will be up to both Governments to do the best for their respective countries and by and large that will mean cooperating with each other. In the meantime both campaigns will accuse each other of wishful thinking / scaremongering.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    There is a big difference

    Plebgate led to numerous investigations, hearings in the HoC and possible criminal prosecutions

    Falkirk led to Ed hiding a report that Len does not want seen by anybody
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    Well played Man Utd. But Moyes needs some money in January. You don't want Rooney and/or Van Persie injured for any length of time, that's for sure. That japanmese bloke looks pretty decent though. Arsenal were a bit lightweight I thought - Ozil went missing a lot of the time, which is what they said he did in Madrid during big games.

    Both teams will finish above Spurs though. As will Chelsea, City and Liverpool. So sixth for us - and hopefully a trophy.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    Neil said:

    Gotta love this market from Paddy Power - weight of the next POTUS!

    http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1474463

    Isnt Chris Christie on a weightloss drive?

    How will Paddy settle this market - Will the president have to get on the scales or some such ? Hilary might be recorded as 115 but she could be 120 when she gets the presidency...
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    There is a big difference.

    One saw a democratically elected politician ejected from office by an alleged conspiracy.

    The other saw alleged attempts to insert a preferred candidate by subverting democracy.

    Oh, and "Ed called the Police" a day after a Tory MP already had....
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Iain Martin thinks he has the answer for the inactivity.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100245232/why-falkirk-is-a-cesspit-for-ed-miliband/

    "The suggestion being whispered is that Mr Miliband’s refusal to hold another inquiry can be explained by the need to keep Len McCluskey satisfied. Mr McCluskey is furious about the attacks on Unite’s integrity and claims rather implausibly that the whole scandal is a Tory plot. That defence is not particularly credible; there are not many Tories in Falkirk.

    “I really hope a deal hasn’t been done,” said a worried Labour MP yesterday. “In which Ed agrees not to reopen the Falkirk inquiry and Unite says it will fund the election campaign. I really hope that isn’t what has happened. But it is starting to look like it.”"
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    Well played Man Utd. But Moyes needs some money in January. You don't want Rooney and/or Van Persie injured for any length of time, that's for sure. That japanmese bloke looks pretty decent though. Arsenal were a bit lightweight I thought - Ozil went missing a lot of the time, which is what they said he did in Madrid during big games.

    Both teams will finish above Spurs though. As will Chelsea, City and Liverpool. So sixth for us - and hopefully a trophy.

    I thought Spurs (even without Bale) would have quite a good season but it doesn't seem to be going so well, seem desperately short of goals. I've always had a soft spot for Spurs given Hearts' legend Dave MacKay's time at the club. Wish I'd have been around to see him play - the only man Fergie admitted to being scared of!
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited November 2013

    What ever it is, its obviously a non-story

    No, no, no. Falkirk will be great for Ed. A fight with Len, where Ed does , er, everything Len tells him to, is brilliant for Ed.

    For so the PB Kinnocks did see, and the are never wrong, well, hardly ever, well, actually, almost never, well, there was this one time that maybe they were not wrong...

    Remember, George Osborne at a burger once.
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    tim said:

    @Josias.

    There's a big difference though.
    Ed called in the cops, during Plebgate Cameron sat on the evidence

    How long do you think Ed will sit on the report. Surely you must be a bit curious about what he's trying to hide?
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    Well played Man Utd. But Moyes needs some money in January. You don't want Rooney and/or Van Persie injured for any length of time, that's for sure. That japanmese bloke looks pretty decent though. Arsenal were a bit lightweight I thought - Ozil went missing a lot of the time, which is what they said he did in Madrid during big games.

    Both teams will finish above Spurs though. As will Chelsea, City and Liverpool. So sixth for us - and hopefully a trophy.

    I thought Spurs (even without Bale) would have quite a good season but it doesn't seem to be going so well, seem desperately short of goals. I've always had a soft spot for Spurs given Hearts' legend Dave MacKay's time at the club. Wish I'd have been around to see him play - the only man Fergie admitted to being scared of!

    Before my time too, but McKay is a total legend at Spurs. Almost all Spurs fans over 60 would put him among their top 3 ever players at WHL.

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    TGOHF said:

    there are not many Tories in Falkirk.

    Zero....according to Bobajob.....

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    Well played Man Utd. But Moyes needs some money in January. You don't want Rooney and/or Van Persie injured for any length of time, that's for sure. That japanmese bloke looks pretty decent though. Arsenal were a bit lightweight I thought - Ozil went missing a lot of the time, which is what they said he did in Madrid during big games.

    Both teams will finish above Spurs though. As will Chelsea, City and Liverpool. So sixth for us - and hopefully a trophy.

    I thought Spurs (even without Bale) would have quite a good season but it doesn't seem to be going so well, seem desperately short of goals. I've always had a soft spot for Spurs given Hearts' legend Dave MacKay's time at the club. Wish I'd have been around to see him play - the only man Fergie admitted to being scared of!

    Before my time too, but McKay is a total legend at Spurs. Almost all Spurs fans over 60 would put him among their top 3 ever players at WHL.

    Also one of two ex-Hearts players in the Football League 100 legends. A prize for anyone who can get the second!
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    Bobajob said:

    Oh look! It still hasn't gone away!

    Why Falkirk is a 'cesspit' for Ed Miliband

    “I really hope a deal hasn’t been done,” said a worried Labour MP yesterday. “In which Ed agrees not to reopen the Falkirk inquiry and Unite says it will fund the election campaign. I really hope that isn’t what has happened. But it is starting to look like it.”

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100245232/why-falkirk-is-a-cesspit-for-ed-miliband/

    You are utterly obsessed with this story. Move on!
    The typical Labour response when something is uncomfortable for you.

    This isn't going away so Miliband needs to deal with it now and not let it fester into next year and closer to the election. Somewhere there is a smoking gun and vested interests will find it eventually.

    However bad it is for Ed he needs to get it over with, the closer to the election we get and his enemies will I use it against him.

    Forget vote UKIP get Labour it will be vote Labour get Unite.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    What's the collective term for PB Falkirk deniers? A whitewash?
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    Well played Man Utd. But Moyes needs some money in January. You don't want Rooney and/or Van Persie injured for any length of time, that's for sure. That japanmese bloke looks pretty decent though. Arsenal were a bit lightweight I thought - Ozil went missing a lot of the time, which is what they said he did in Madrid during big games.

    Both teams will finish above Spurs though. As will Chelsea, City and Liverpool. So sixth for us - and hopefully a trophy.

    I thought Spurs (even without Bale) would have quite a good season but it doesn't seem to be going so well, seem desperately short of goals. I've always had a soft spot for Spurs given Hearts' legend Dave MacKay's time at the club. Wish I'd have been around to see him play - the only man Fergie admitted to being scared of!

    Before my time too, but McKay is a total legend at Spurs. Almost all Spurs fans over 60 would put him among their top 3 ever players at WHL.

    I saw him play though I am a Chelsea fan. He was a seriously good player with a touch of everything, and as stated as tough as any there has been. That picture where he has so called hard man Billy Bremner by the throat always makes me smile.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    tim said:

    @Josias.

    There's a big difference though.
    Ed called in the cops, during Plebgate Cameron sat on the evidence

    How long do you think Ed will sit on the report. Surely you must be a bit curious about what he's trying to hide?
    Doubt we will see it until June 2015.

    Ed is up to his neck in this cesspit - his money men sent out ballot papers to "phantom members" for their own leadership election and to fix PPC elections.

    Now what other election had union members voting in it - and may have involved phantom members ?

    Clue - 2 out of 3 parts of the constituency voted for the winners brother...
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,965
    edited November 2013
    Neil said:


    I dont think repatriating a defence contract would be a particularly huffy thing to do. It would hardly even count as an unfriendly act. If the vote is for independence it will be up to both Governments to do the best for their respective countries and by and large that will mean cooperating with each other. In the meantime both campaigns will accuse each other of wishful thinking / scaremongering.

    I agree, but the tenor here is that government policy should express the pique of certain posters.
    My preamble should have been 'If PB was at all representative, an rUK government would be in a massively huffy huff, headlining at the Huffington Post'.
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    ScottP/Tim - As both of you appear have forgotten the ruling not to refer to each other directly or indirectly, your posting privileges have been revoked until the morning.

    Perhaps you will remember that, the next time you decide to violate the site rules.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    @Max_Edinburgh Alex Young Everton.
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    @tim - on your "non-story" - really?

    Denial is not a river in Egypt....
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    Well played Man Utd. But Moyes needs some money in January. You don't want Rooney and/or Van Persie injured for any length of time, that's for sure. That japanmese bloke looks pretty decent though. Arsenal were a bit lightweight I thought - Ozil went missing a lot of the time, which is what they said he did in Madrid during big games.

    Both teams will finish above Spurs though. As will Chelsea, City and Liverpool. So sixth for us - and hopefully a trophy.

    I thought Spurs (even without Bale) would have quite a good season but it doesn't seem to be going so well, seem desperately short of goals. I've always had a soft spot for Spurs given Hearts' legend Dave MacKay's time at the club. Wish I'd have been around to see him play - the only man Fergie admitted to being scared of!

    Before my time too, but McKay is a total legend at Spurs. Almost all Spurs fans over 60 would put him among their top 3 ever players at WHL.

    I saw him play though I am a Chelsea fan. He was a seriously good player with a touch of everything, and as stated as tough as any there has been. That picture where he has so called hard man Billy Bremner by the throat always makes me smile.
    I would say the two best players I've seen live were both Spurs players. We played them in a friendly just after the 1990 World Cup (1 all draw) when Gascoigne was at his peak (occasionally you saw flashes of it in his time at Rangers) and Gareth Bale who ripped us apart at Tynecastle in the Europa Cup.
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    dr_spyn said:

    @Max_Edinburgh Alex Young Everton.

    Correct! The prize is a can of Tennents Super. Collectable from Edinburgh. Funnily enough he ran a pub for a while in the village I grew up in. Ken Loach even made a film about him.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,130

    Well played Man Utd. But Moyes needs some money in January. You don't want Rooney and/or Van Persie injured for any length of time, that's for sure. That japanmese bloke looks pretty decent though. Arsenal were a bit lightweight I thought - Ozil went missing a lot of the time, which is what they said he did in Madrid during big games.

    Both teams will finish above Spurs though. As will Chelsea, City and Liverpool. So sixth for us - and hopefully a trophy.

    Tbh I think Arsenal are a wee bit overrated. ALthough the skill level is impressive they are still missing the raw power in midfield of their better days. I find it baffling that they have such good results away from home and suspect they will fall away over the season as they have done in previous years. If they could add a Yaya Toure they could be real contenders.

    United are well short of quality but the work rate and determination that we saw last season are coming back. Their midfield is really poor and asks a double shift from Rooney which they certainly got today.

    For me Chelsea are still the team to beat although they were ridiculously lucky yesterday.
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    compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited November 2013
    When will the people on here realise that this crap about Falkirk being a big story,is that, crap. Apart from on here and the politicos in the media, I have heard nobody and I mean nobody even mention it. However, I do hear people complaining about their cost of the gas and electricity on a regular occasion, and the fact that they are struggling to pay their bills.

    Unless you are either in the Westminster bubble or you live a sheltered life in which politics is all consuming. Can you really say that people are either interested or have heard of "Falkirk".

    Cue "oh yes, I was in the pub last night and it was all people was talking about"....or maybe not.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,908
    tim said:

    @Josias.

    There's a big difference though.
    Ed called in the cops, during Plebgate Cameron sat on the evidence

    If Cameron had called in the police, you would be accusing him of political interference. As I have said passim, you would be criticising Cameron whatever action he had taken.

    It is odd that you accuse Cameron of sitting on evidence (wrongly, IMHO), yet do not mention Ed not releasing Labour's report into what happened.

    Still, it's sad to see that you and Roger are (I think) the only two posters remaining on here who believe that Mitchell was not wronged. At least Roger's position is more logical than yours.
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    dr_spyn said:

    @Max_Edinburgh Alex Young Everton.

    Correct! The prize is a can of Tennents Super. Collectable from Edinburgh. Funnily enough he ran a pub for a while in the village I grew up in. Ken Loach even made a film about him.
    Max, the said programme is available on Youtube - Part 1:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnjIgizeNc4
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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    When will the people on here realise that this crap about Falkirk being a big story,is that, crap. Apart from on here and the politicos in the media, I have heard nobody and I mean nobody even mention it. However, I do hear people complaining about their cost of the gas and electricity on a regular occasion, and the fact that they are struggling to pay their bills.

    Unless you are either in the Westminster bubble or you live a sheltered life in which politics is all consuming. Can you really say that people are either interested or have heard of "Falkirk".

    Cue "oh yes, I was in the pub last night and it was all people was talking about"....or maybe not.

    Indeed. But you try telling that to the PB Tories...
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    When will the people on here realise that this crap about Falkirk being a big story,is that, crap. Apart from on here and the politicos in the media, I have heard nobody and I mean nobody even mention it. However, I do hear people complaining about their cost of the gas and electricity on a regular occasion, and the fact that they are struggling to pay their bills.

    Unless you are either in the Westminster bubble or you live a sheltered life in which politics is all consuming. Can you really say that people are either interested or have heard of "Falkirk".

    Cue "oh yes, I was in the pub last night and it was all people was talking about"....or maybe not.

    Another lefty who's only interested if it changes the current polls or not - no interest in the sleazy antics and the Labour leaders flawed judgement in chaining himself to this corruption.
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
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    BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    TGOHF said:

    there are not many Tories in Falkirk.

    Zero....according to Bobajob.....

    The amount of Tories in Falkirk is actually negative - even less than the zero present elsewhere in Scotland.
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    Bobajob said:

    When will the people on here realise that this crap about Falkirk being a big story,is that, crap. Apart from on here and the politicos in the media, I have heard nobody and I mean nobody even mention it. However, I do hear people complaining about their cost of the gas and electricity on a regular occasion, and the fact that they are struggling to pay their bills.

    Unless you are either in the Westminster bubble or you live a sheltered life in which politics is all consuming. Can you really say that people are either interested or have heard of "Falkirk".

    Cue "oh yes, I was in the pub last night and it was all people was talking about"....or maybe not.

    Indeed. But you try telling that to the PB Tories...
    I'm under no illusion that this issue is minor to most people. At the same time however, the desire to cover it up and move on suggests that there is more to come on this. There is quite clearly something Ed Milliband doesn't want the public to know, hence the refusal to publish the report or re-open the inquiry. Which is why the Tories will keep plugging away on it, as you would expect them to do.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    edited November 2013
    Do that again son...

    http://www.spursodyssey.com/onthis0001/200866.html

    With background to that photo.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    As I recall the pork barrel aspects of helicopter construction threatened the Thatcher administration.

    We do have joint projects with other countries; but that would be for the rUK MoD to decide.

    Of course if the Scottish government sweetened the deal by subsidising the building of warships on the Clyde for the RN then It may be in the interest of the rUK to continue. This may well fall foul of the EU.

    If similtaneously the Scottish govt was making a hard time for the RN/MoD over Trident, then I suspect that frigates would be built elsewhere. rUK would not want to give hostages away so easily.

    I have no problems with the RN moving bases and employment South after independence. Why would we want to be reliant on a foreign country opposed to our Naval policy for shipbuilding?

    Defence spending has both security and porkbarrel aspects that would mean new ships would be built south of the border. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not very bright.

    Amazing that successive UK governments have managed to ignore the security and pork barrel aspects of buying nuclear weapon systems, choppers, fighter aircraft, military transport aircraft, carrier-borne fighters, AAMs, SAMs, cruise missiles etc, etc.

    Anyone who thinks that any future UK or rUK government would as a matter of absolute principle refuse to have warships built outwith their borders, isn’t very bright, or is self deceiving.
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    compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited November 2013
    TGOHF said:

    When will the people on here realise that this crap about Falkirk being a big story,is that, crap. Apart from on here and the politicos in the media, I have heard nobody and I mean nobody even mention it. However, I do hear people complaining about their cost of the gas and electricity on a regular occasion, and the fact that they are struggling to pay their bills.

    Unless you are either in the Westminster bubble or you live a sheltered life in which politics is all consuming. Can you really say that people are either interested or have heard of "Falkirk".

    Cue "oh yes, I was in the pub last night and it was all people was talking about"....or maybe not.

    Another lefty who's only interested if it changes the current polls or not - no interest in the sleazy antics and the Labour leaders flawed judgement in chaining himself to this corruption.
    No just highlighting the fact people on here keep saying "non-story" with sarcasm which in fact according to the public it is. TGOHF apart from people repeating it on here, Cameron repeating it at QT who else is mentioning it.

    Can you imagine anyone outside the anoraks even at all interested. Christ, people who funded the Tory Party ended up running hospitals. If this doesn't cut across to the publics interest, how the hell is the process of Labour picking is prospective MP's?
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    When someone is suspended from PB posting - do they cease to exist?

    A bit like home goals when Spurs play at the Lane these days....
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    Carola said:
    Devastatingly entertaining – every ‘scientific report’ should be presented this way.
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    TGOHF said:

    When will the people on here realise that this crap about Falkirk being a big story,is that, crap. Apart from on here and the politicos in the media, I have heard nobody and I mean nobody even mention it. However, I do hear people complaining about their cost of the gas and electricity on a regular occasion, and the fact that they are struggling to pay their bills.

    Unless you are either in the Westminster bubble or you live a sheltered life in which politics is all consuming. Can you really say that people are either interested or have heard of "Falkirk".

    Cue "oh yes, I was in the pub last night and it was all people was talking about"....or maybe not.

    Another lefty who's only interested if it changes the current polls or not - no interest in the sleazy antics and the Labour leaders flawed judgement in chaining himself to this corruption.
    No just highlighting the fact people on here keep saying "non-story" with sarcasm which in fact according to the public it is. TGOHF apart from people repeating it on here, Cameron repeating it at QT who else is mentioning it.

    Can you imagine anyone outside the anoraks even at all interested. Christ, people who funded the Tory Party ended up running hospitals. If this doesn't cut across to the publics interest, how the hell is the process of Labour picking is prospective MP's?
    According to the poll this morning, around a quarter of the electorate are following the story closely. That's quite a lot of people to be fair.
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    "To maximise their chances, and to see off any male rivals, Ms Murphy’s supporters also sought to make the selection an all-women shortlist.

    Ms Murphy first came to public attention over her reaction to the death of Baroness Thatcher. On her Facebook page she published a picture of the former prime minister emblazoned with the words: “One hellbound bitch!” Alongside this, Ms Murphy also suggested that she would be holding a party to celebrate the loss of Baroness Thatcher."

    What a classy lady, not! This wannabe female Unite/Labour politician whose supporters sought the boost of an all women short list to help her selection chances in a rock solid safe Labour seat calls the Conservative female politician who smashed the glass ceiling in UK politics to become a party Leader and PM without any these kind shannigans 'One hellbound bitch'?!!

    Oh look! It still hasn't gone away!

    Why Falkirk is a 'cesspit' for Ed Miliband

    “I really hope a deal hasn’t been done,” said a worried Labour MP yesterday. “In which Ed agrees not to reopen the Falkirk inquiry and Unite says it will fund the election campaign. I really hope that isn’t what has happened. But it is starting to look like it.”

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/iainmartin1/100245232/why-falkirk-is-a-cesspit-for-ed-miliband/

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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    Last time I looked, c. 1 in 10 non persons in Falkirk...voted for The Tory. Saw a tweet from Guido with an interesting email photograph re - Falkirk.

    The fat lady is still to sing.
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    compouter1compouter1 Posts: 642
    edited November 2013

    TGOHF said:

    When will the people on here realise that this crap about Falkirk being a big story,is that, crap. Apart from on here and the politicos in the media, I have heard nobody and I mean nobody even mention it. However, I do hear people complaining about their cost of the gas and electricity on a regular occasion, and the fact that they are struggling to pay their bills.

    Unless you are either in the Westminster bubble or you live a sheltered life in which politics is all consuming. Can you really say that people are either interested or have heard of "Falkirk".

    Cue "oh yes, I was in the pub last night and it was all people was talking about"....or maybe not.

    Another lefty who's only interested if it changes the current polls or not - no interest in the sleazy antics and the Labour leaders flawed judgement in chaining himself to this corruption.
    No just highlighting the fact people on here keep saying "non-story" with sarcasm which in fact according to the public it is. TGOHF apart from people repeating it on here, Cameron repeating it at QT who else is mentioning it.

    Can you imagine anyone outside the anoraks even at all interested. Christ, people who funded the Tory Party ended up running hospitals. If this doesn't cut across to the publics interest, how the hell is the process of Labour picking is prospective MP's?
    According to the poll this morning, around a quarter of the electorate are following the story closely. That's quite a lot of people to be fair.
    But that's a loaded question, which reminds people. Without looking at the figures, and I may be wrong, I would assume that those following it are anti-Labour. If you asked what were the most important political events of the last two weeks, how many do you reckon will say Falkirk, if they mentioned anything at all?
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    CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805

    TGOHF said:

    When will the people on here realise that this crap about Falkirk being a big story,is that, crap. Apart from on here and the politicos in the media, I have heard nobody and I mean nobody even mention it. However, I do hear people complaining about their cost of the gas and electricity on a regular occasion, and the fact that they are struggling to pay their bills.

    Unless you are either in the Westminster bubble or you live a sheltered life in which politics is all consuming. Can you really say that people are either interested or have heard of "Falkirk".

    Cue "oh yes, I was in the pub last night and it was all people was talking about"....or maybe not.

    Another lefty who's only interested if it changes the current polls or not - no interest in the sleazy antics and the Labour leaders flawed judgement in chaining himself to this corruption.
    No just highlighting the fact people on here keep saying "non-story" with sarcasm which in fact according to the public it is. TGOHF apart from people repeating it on here, Cameron repeating it at QT who else is mentioning it.

    Can you imagine anyone outside the anoraks even at all interested. Christ, people who funded the Tory Party ended up running hospitals. If this doesn't cut across to the publics interest, how the hell is the process of Labour picking is prospective MP's?
    That's the crux. People don't expect any better, with good reason.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Bobajob said:

    TGOHF said:

    there are not many Tories in Falkirk.

    Zero....according to Bobajob.....

    The amount of Tories in Falkirk is actually negative - even less than the zero present elsewhere in Scotland.
    Yes that is exactly what the story about - which party will win the seat at the GE....

    Ed won the leadership election by 0.65% of the vote in the run off.

    Sunday Times claims that Unite leadership ballot papers were sent out to 160,000 people who were not members.

    Ed won the Labour leadership election by 3895 union members.

    3895 is 2.4% of 160,000.........
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    fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,279
    edited November 2013
    Blimey, just read this comment in the Daily Record's sister paper, the Sunday Mail of all newspapers. Ouch!
    "It isn’t, frankly, and if a Labour official can claim, “I’m not saying it’s the best Christmas gift in the world but, as a matter of fact, it’s within the rules,” then the rules are junk.

    Of course, in some parts of Scotland, such as the west of Scotland, Labour have gone about their business like this for generations.

    The unexpected arrival of a Christmas card from the leader of the day was often the only way many members found out they had been signed up.

    It has been awful to see that kind of rubbish laid bare in Falkirk and the donkeys leading Unite have no one to blame but themselves.

    They blundered into town like drunken bulls trying to buy china before careering into a dispute at Grangemouth where there could only be one winner. And it wasn’t their members.

    They have, of course, got a point when they bluster about the ranks of the reactionary right-wing taking the chance to put the boot in. But did they really have to make it so easy?

    This union’s cash-crammed envelopes, back-door deals and hubris have undoubtedly harmed Miliband’s chances of taking Labour back into power.

    Maybe, as the Labour leader and Unite boss Len McCluskey must desperately hope, the Falkirk debacle will quietly fade away. It might but they might be whistling in the dark.

    They need to stop defending the indefensible and start putting things right in Falkirk. In their union. And in their party."

    ED Miliband landed in Scotland on Thursday for a flying visit.

    The Labour leader is fortunate his flight made it through when the sky was so full of his party’s chickens coming home to roost.


    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/opinion/mail-opinion-ed-miliband-should-2716435

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    It is not the crime that causes the political problems, it is the cover up. This is why plebgate is still running, why the unmentionable trial keeps running and why Falkirk will keep running. These things are slow burners.

    If Ed wanted to kill the story he should publish the investigation, punish the guilty (if any) and the story would naturally die. The fact that he doesnt probably means that the guilty are too big to punish. So the stench of Falkirk continues to emanate from Labour.

    As Stalin supposedly said "Those who cast the votes decide nothing, those who count the votes decide everything"

    When will the people on here realise that this crap about Falkirk being a big story,is that, crap. Apart from on here and the politicos in the media, I have heard nobody and I mean nobody even mention it. However, I do hear people complaining about their cost of the gas and electricity on a regular occasion, and the fact that they are struggling to pay their bills.

    Unless you are either in the Westminster bubble or you live a sheltered life in which politics is all consuming. Can you really say that people are either interested or have heard of "Falkirk".

    Cue "oh yes, I was in the pub last night and it was all people was talking about"....or maybe not.

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    But that's a loaded question, which reminds people. Without looking at the figures, and I may be wrong, I would assume that those following it are anti-Labour. If you asked what were the most important political events of the last two weeks, how many do you reckon will say Falkirk, if they mentioned anything at all?

    Almost none I would imagine. That doesn't mean that Tories are wrong to pursue it. Given Labour seem to want to cover it up the Tories will naturally assume that there is more to come on this. They'd be crazy to stop pressing Labour on this till the full facts are known.
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    Carola said:

    TGOHF said:

    When will the people on here realise that this crap about Falkirk being a big story,is that, crap. Apart from on here and the politicos in the media, I have heard nobody and I mean nobody even mention it. However, I do hear people complaining about their cost of the gas and electricity on a regular occasion, and the fact that they are struggling to pay their bills.

    Unless you are either in the Westminster bubble or you live a sheltered life in which politics is all consuming. Can you really say that people are either interested or have heard of "Falkirk".

    Cue "oh yes, I was in the pub last night and it was all people was talking about"....or maybe not.

    Another lefty who's only interested if it changes the current polls or not - no interest in the sleazy antics and the Labour leaders flawed judgement in chaining himself to this corruption.
    No just highlighting the fact people on here keep saying "non-story" with sarcasm which in fact according to the public it is. TGOHF apart from people repeating it on here, Cameron repeating it at QT who else is mentioning it.

    Can you imagine anyone outside the anoraks even at all interested. Christ, people who funded the Tory Party ended up running hospitals. If this doesn't cut across to the publics interest, how the hell is the process of Labour picking is prospective MP's?
    That's the crux. People don't expect any better, with good reason.
    Carola - Totally agree. But whilst there are many many people out there struggling to pay bills, they turn on the TV and politicians are going on about some seat many will have never even heard about, is it any wonder. Do people campaigning on the doorsteps say "I'm campaigning for the Conservative Party and I am here to highlight the scandal of Falkirk....sorry did you just ask me to cough?"
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