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eek

First.. 54% satisfaction does rather imply he would currently still win a confidence vote though...

TheScreamingEagles

Don’t misunderestimate Corbyn.

TheWhiteRabbit

eek said:

First.. 54% satisfaction does rather imply he would currently still win a confidence vote though...

Not least because a challenger would have their own pros and cons.

Pulpstar

You'll be able to produce this same chart for Boris in the middle of 2020 too.

spudgfsh

I can't see him going before an election. whether there is an election or not this side of Brexit is still to be determined

eek

Pulpstar said:

You'll be able to produce this same chart for Boris in the middle of 2020 too.

June 2020 is a bit late. I suspect Boris's figures will be that (or worse) by November 5th

Nigelb

Pulpstar said:

You'll be able to produce this same chart for Boris in the middle of 2020 too.

Sounds optimistic for him.

TheScreamingEagles

Pulpstar said:

You'll be able to produce this same chart for Boris in the middle of 2020 too.

Middle of November 2019 if he extends/revokes Article 50.

RobD

eek said:

Pulpstar said:

You'll be able to produce this same chart for Boris in the middle of 2020 too.

June 2020 is a bit late. I suspect Boris's figures will be that (or worse) by November 5th

Pulpstar meant 20:20 next Thursday.

Nigelb

Ben Stokes nominated for New Zealander of the Year:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27219433/ben-stokes-nominated-new-zealander-year

FrancisUrquhart

Good job they cancelled idea of another jezfest.

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

Richard_Nabavi

If Labour had a half-way decent leader they'd be in government by now. Choosing and then sticking with Corbyn was an extraordinary act of political self-harm, exceeded only by the self-harm the Conservative Party is engaged in.

eek

Richard_Nabavi said:

If Labour had a half-way decent leader they'd be in government by now. Choosing and then sticking with Corbyn is an extraordinary act of political self-harm, exceeded only by the self-harm the Conservative Party is engaged in.

If Corbyn wasn't leader - Labour would have actively campaigned for Remain and things would have been different.

I'm blaming that Weasel in CERN personally....

Richard_Nabavi

And let's not forget the EHRC investigation, which I expect will be absolutely damning.

JBriskinindyref2

I like my 5/2s to be a bit more nailed on than this.

He might end up doing well against Boris.

Proper socialist Vs Proper upper class twit.

It's the fight we've all been waiting for.

Roger

Whatever he had he's lost. Brexit has rightly killed him. A leader can't sit on a fence. The battlefield is littered with bifurcated ex leaders. If Thornberry or Starmer take over they might still save the party. If it's Tom Watson or Long Bailey then they might as wll keep Corbyn and implode

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

AndyJS

It would be a loss to entertainment if Corbyn doesn't face the electorate at the next general election.

Fenster

It's all a BBC, Guardian, Tory, Capitalist, Zionist, Remainer, Blairite, Glastonbury, Lizard and PB Forum plot.

FrancisUrquhart

TheScreamingEagles said:

/twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

I wonder who leaked these emails?

Pulpstar

eek said:

Pulpstar said:

You'll be able to produce this same chart for Boris in the middle of 2020 too.

June 2020 is a bit late. I suspect Boris's figures will be that (or worse) by November 5th

Surely whatever happens Boris is nailed on for a Lewes pyre ?

Scott_P

Fenster said:

It's all a BBC, Guardian, Tory, Capitalist, Zionist, Remainer, Blairite, Glastonbury, Lizard and PB Forum plot.

https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/1151780402308296705

TGOHF

https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1152235166707920897?s=20

SandyRentool

Another factor to consider is the changing make-up of the Labour membership. There has been a decline in numbers over the past 12 months but it is not clear to me whether this is predominantly moderates who have done a Chuka or entryists who have failed to renew their membership and gone back to wherever they came from.

Anyway, I don't think that Jezza will be challenged, I think he'll be eased aside on the assurance that at least one candidate from the left will be on the ballot. Mind, I suggested this 2 years ago and he's still there!

eek

Scott_P said:

Fenster said:

It's all a BBC, Guardian, Tory, Capitalist, Zionist, Remainer, Blairite, Glastonbury, Lizard and PB Forum plot.

https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/1151780402308296705

https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/1152110916105752577

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1152185473848303616

Scott_P

SandyRentool said:

Another factor to consider is the changing make-up of the Labour membership. There has been a decline in numbers over the past 12 months but it is not clear to me whether this is predominantly moderates who have done a Chuka or entryists who have failed to renew their membership and gone back to wherever they came from.

https://twitter.com/DavidHirsh/status/1152136369633988609

Richard_Nabavi

TGOHF said:

https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1152235166707920897?s=20

Good. The Electoral Commission's behaviour in this has been appalling, as was their extraordinary action in penalising Vote Leave for following their own advice.

Roger

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

I'd be surprised if any voter takes it seriously anymore. Whoever is pumping out these stories yesterday accused him of consorting with an Orthodox Rabbi who is a homophobe! They didn't understand there's no such thing as an orthodox rabbi who isn't a homophobe!

rottenborough

AndyJS said:

It would be a loss to entertainment if Corbyn doesn't face the electorate at the next general election.

It would also mean that the last 3 or 4 years of Opposition have been almost completely an utter waste of time, since 90% of what has been done is to just endlessly defend the Jezza against attacks.

TrèsDifficile

Roger said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

I'd be surprised if any voter takes it seriously anymore. Whoever is pumping out these stories yesterday accused him of consorting with an Orthodox Rabbi who is a homophobe! They didn't understand there's no such thing as an orthodox rabbi who isn't a homophobe!

Are there Orthodox Rabbis who don't write emails to other Rabbis, copied in to all of the local Jewish population, addressing them as 'Kapo', like this homophobic chap did?

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/anti-ofsted-charedi-activist-shraga-stern-sparks-anger-by-calling-rabbi-pinter-kapo-1.481714

Nigel_Foremain

Richard_Nabavi said:

If Labour had a half-way decent leader they'd be in government by now. Choosing and then sticking with Corbyn was an extraordinary act of political self-harm, exceeded only by the self-harm the Conservative Party is engaged in.

Perhaps this will be known as the Era of Self-Harm (aka Putin's Triumph) , when the West, and the UK in particular decided to have a period of anti-renaissance. A new political dark age of regression and crass stupidity.

JackW

Simon Johnson of the Jewish Leadership Council on Sky News states only two political parties have been investigated by the EHRC - The BNP and the Labour Party.

Jezza et al in good company then ....

MarqueeMark

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.

Nigel_Foremain

AndyJS said:

It would be a loss to entertainment if Corbyn doesn't face the electorate at the next general election.

It will be a loss to the Conservative Party. The only factor that is keeping the likes of HYUFD thinking Boris Johnson is the new messiah is because the old Labour Messiah is so inherently crap

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1152235971171274753

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Foremain, I disagree with your implication that the EU is the modern equivalent of the Renaissance. It is not.

Moving powers from nation states to a centralised bureaucracy is a retrograde step. The very fact that the discussion has moved from "The EU does not have too much power" to "Leaving with devastate the economy and risk destroying the UK" suggests that one of those two things is not true.

Democracy isn't perfect but it's better than the alternatives, and the continual ceding of powers entrusted to the stewardship of British politicians from Westminster to Brussels is just one reason why the EU is questionable at best. The long term diametric opposition of powerful forces (the mechanical/ideological desire for greater integration versus the desire of free peoples to hold their elected national politicians to account) makes the EU fundamentally unstable in the long term.

An associate membership with most of the economics retained and most of the politics stripped away is the obvious answer. But the EU thinks the answer to everything is 'more Europe' (by which they mean continual integration of power held by nation states into the bureaucratic centre) whilst the UK will never ask for such a thing.

JohnO

MarqueeMark said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.

Thanks to TSE, I've got a mother at 22/1.

Nigel_Foremain

MarqueeMark said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.

There is probably only one bigger misogynist in parliament than Boris, and he is one Jeremy Corbyn. what a state we are in. Can't we pressgang some captains of industry, mix them with some decent quality trade unionists, a doctor here and a successful lawyer there, and end up with a government that is actually made up of decent talent? Instead we have a choice between a washed up thicko Marxist, and a gaffe-prone polemicist who has the attention span, the attention to detail and the leadership capability of a goldfish

eek

Nigel_Foremain said:

MarqueeMark said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.

There is probably only one bigger misogynist in parliament than Boris, and he is one Jeremy Corbyn. what a state we are in. Can't we pressgang some captains of industry, mix them with some decent quality trade unionists, a doctor here and a successful lawyer there, and end up with a government that is actually made up of decent talent? Instead we have a choice between a washed up thicko Marxist, and a gaffe-prone polemicist who has the attention span, the attention to detail and the leadership capability of a goldfish

Why would anyone with any sense become a politician - you can earn more money and do more good elsewhere...

rottenborough

Interesting point.

"Mr Johnson would remain committed to his ‘do or die’ stance on a no-deal Brexit until after the Conservative party conference in September."

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0719/1064100-lord-adonis-brexit/

david_herdson

On topic, 5/2 seems reasonable. Apart from the risk of him being forced out against his will, throwing in the towel in favour of a chosen successor, or retiring on health grounds, there's also the possibility of his resigning after losing an autumn election. None of these are especially likely but I think implied odds of 28% understate the combined probability.

Artist

It's not enough, it was 51/49 during the coup in 2016 and he still won comfortably. As mentioned many of his opponents have left the party altogether as well. At least his cult status has gone though, he'd be toast after a General Election defeat.

TrèsDifficile

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

Do we know which "very important hearing" was scheduled for July 2018, which Murphy wanted to rig the panel for?

david_herdson

rottenborough said:

Interesting point.

"Mr Johnson would remain committed to his ‘do or die’ stance on a no-deal Brexit until after the Conservative party conference in September."

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0719/1064100-lord-adonis-brexit/

I can't think of anyone less suited to dispassionately analyse likely Tory strategy, tactics and policy on Brexit than Adonis - or indeed his analysis on any part of Brexit.

SandyRentool

MarqueeMark said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.

I'm sure that Bozo is preparing the casting couch in readiness.

Roger

TrèsDifficile said:

Roger said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

I'd be surprised if any voter takes it seriously anymore. Whoever is pumping out these stories yesterday accused him of consorting with an Orthodox Rabbi who is a homophobe! They didn't understand there's no such thing as an orthodox rabbi who isn't a homophobe!

Are there Orthodox Rabbis who don't write emails to other Rabbis, copied in to all of the local Jewish population, addressing them as 'Kapo', like this homophobic chap did?

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/anti-ofsted-charedi-activist-shraga-stern-sparks-anger-by-calling-rabbi-pinter-kapo-1.481714

I can't understand a word of the JC article. Not a first by any means. If you know an Orthodox Rabbi who believes homosexuality is acceptable then you aren't Jewish or you don't know any Orthodox Jews let alone Orthodox Rabbis. There's enough crap to throw at Corbyn without dredging up this nonsense. My sense is he isn't anti semitic and I believe if he was I'd know it

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1152245327002517510

Nigelb

david_herdson said:

rottenborough said:

Interesting point.

"Mr Johnson would remain committed to his ‘do or die’ stance on a no-deal Brexit until after the Conservative party conference in September."

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0719/1064100-lord-adonis-brexit/

I can't think of anyone less suited to dispassionately analyse likely Tory strategy, tactics and policy on Brexit than Adonis - or indeed his analysis on any part of Brexit.

You could say that HYUFD is equally unlikely to be 'dispassionate' in his analysis.
Though probably closer to the mark, on the whole.

Theuniondivvie

There are still true believers.

https://twitter.com/Jonathon_Shafi/status/1151937597784170496?s=20

FrancisUrquhart

Wow in the tour de france...big G and co are now going to have to go super deep in the mountains if any chance of winning.

rural_voter

Roger said:

Whatever he had he's lost. Brexit has rightly killed him. A leader can't sit on a fence. The battlefield is littered with bifurcated ex leaders. If Thornberry or Starmer take over they might still save the party. If it's Tom Watson or Long Bailey then they might as wll keep Corbyn and implode

Or Miliband, E. He seems a reasonable person with sensible views once freed of advisers telling him to say things he doesn't believe in or stand in front of large headstones. OTOH his manner reminds me of Rory Stewart, i.e. ultra-cerebral. I like it but it may not be in line with what all voters want. He'd almost certainly be tough on Brexit and tough on the causes of Brexit too.

Nigel_Foremain

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Foremain, I disagree with your implication that the EU is the modern equivalent of the Renaissance. It is not.

Moving powers from nation states to a centralised bureaucracy is a retrograde step. The very fact that the discussion has moved from "The EU does not have too much power" to "Leaving with devastate the economy and risk destroying the UK" suggests that one of those two things is not true.

Democracy isn't perfect but it's better than the alternatives, and the continual ceding of powers entrusted to the stewardship of British politicians from Westminster to Brussels is just one reason why the EU is questionable at best. The long term diametric opposition of powerful forces (the mechanical/ideological desire for greater integration versus the desire of free peoples to hold their elected national politicians to account) makes the EU fundamentally unstable in the long term.

An associate membership with most of the economics retained and most of the politics stripped away is the obvious answer. But the EU thinks the answer to everything is 'more Europe' (by which they mean continual integration of power held by nation states into the bureaucratic centre) whilst the UK will never ask for such a thing.

That wasn't my implication at all. The EU is imperfect, but the promotion of the Cult of Brexit has seen us as a nation move toward nationalism, and the main motivation behind much of this movement for many (not yourself) is xenophobia and worse. The encouragement of these types of morally perverted tendencies by mainstream politicians on this side and the other side of the Atlantic is extremely retrograde. I am in my early 50s and I can never before remember the promotion of such divisive and prejudicial politics by people in the leadership of the main two parties, or by the President of the USA.

Incidentally, I am sure you may not agree, but the "more Europe" thing is largely a myth. Yes there are those that believe in federal Europe, but it ain't happening. it is a straw man beloved of anti-EU agitators

Pulpstar

Looks like Alaphilipe has found those err.. marginal gains.

justin124

MarqueeMark said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.

Harold Wilson, Ted Heath, Jim Callaghan , John Major and - until much later in his period as PM - Tony Blair did!

TrèsDifficile

Roger said:

TrèsDifficile said:

Roger said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

I'd be surprised if any voter takes it seriously anymore. Whoever is pumping out these stories yesterday accused him of consorting with an Orthodox Rabbi who is a homophobe! They didn't understand there's no such thing as an orthodox rabbi who isn't a homophobe!

Are there Orthodox Rabbis who don't write emails to other Rabbis, copied in to all of the local Jewish population, addressing them as 'Kapo', like this homophobic chap did?

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/anti-ofsted-charedi-activist-shraga-stern-sparks-anger-by-calling-rabbi-pinter-kapo-1.481714

I can't understand a word of the JC article. Not a first by any means. If you know an Orthodox Rabbi who believes homosexuality is acceptable then you aren't Jewish or you don't know any Orthodox Jews let alone Orthodox Rabbis. There's enough crap to throw at Corbyn without dredging up this nonsense. My sense is he isn't anti semitic and I believe if he was I'd know it

It's pretty fricking straightforward.

Corbyn's best Rabbi friend, who is a massive homophobe, addressed another Rabbi, Avraham Pinter, as "Kapo Pinter".

Kapo was the term used in concentration camps for the Jewish prisoners who got slightly favourable treatment for supervising their fellow prisoners.

This man is a disgusting individual even if, as you're seemingly happy to, you can ignore his horrible homophobia.

surbiton19

david_herdson said:

On topic, 5/2 seems reasonable. Apart from the risk of him being forced out against his will, throwing in the towel in favour of a chosen successor, or retiring on health grounds, there's also the possibility of his resigning after losing an autumn election. None of these are especially likely but I think implied odds of 28% understate the combined probability.

I do not think he would go willingly even after a GE defeat. He may, ultimately, be forced out but that is something else.

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1152199330838786049

Roger

rural_voter said:

Roger said:

Whatever he had he's lost. Brexit has rightly killed him. A leader can't sit on a fence. The battlefield is littered with bifurcated ex leaders. If Thornberry or Starmer take over they might still save the party. If it's Tom Watson or Long Bailey then they might as wll keep Corbyn and implode

Or Miliband, E. He seems a reasonable person with sensible views once freed of advisers telling him to say things he doesn't believe in or stand in front of large headstones. OTOH his manner reminds me of Rory Stewart, i.e. ultra-cerebral. I like it but it may not be in line with what all voters want. He'd almost certainly be tough on Brexit and tough on the causes of Brexit too.

Mililiband D would be the Messiah! He'd be brilliant but just read the Labour supporters on here and you'd realize most of them would prefer to lose than have him. And not just the crazies. Even Nick Palmer probably. The Labour party has been infiltrated and the best we can hope for is the least bad.

eek

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1152199330838786049

Is it faulty memory or just embarrassment and unwilling to admit..

ydoethur

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1152245327002517510

We are at war with Eastasia - we have always been at war with Eastasia.

There are no Americans in Baghdad. They are all killing themselves at the airport with tablets we have given them.

FrancisUrquhart

Pulpstar said:

Looks like Alaphilipe has found those err.. marginal gains.

I wonder how the predicted heat wave will be a negative for thomas in the mountains?

ydoethur

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1152199330838786049

Does this inflate or deflate Labour's overall share?

Another classic example of false recall is of course Kennedy and Nixon, 1960. Not the happiest of parallels for Corbyn...

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Foremain, I'd certainly agree that there are some daft sods and complacent jesters about. However, any lunacy is not confined to one side entirely. I recall Grieve being offered what he wanted in a Parliamentary vote a few years ago, and he wittered it was 'too late'.

It's difficult to see a sustainable political outcome. Alas, once again, we never got to chance to give a V-sign to the Lisbon Treaty.

FF43

david_herdson said:

rottenborough said:

Interesting point.

"Mr Johnson would remain committed to his ‘do or die’ stance on a no-deal Brexit until after the Conservative party conference in September."

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0719/1064100-lord-adonis-brexit/

I can't think of anyone less suited to dispassionately analyse likely Tory strategy, tactics and policy on Brexit than Adonis - or indeed his analysis on any part of Brexit.

On the face of it, a sensible comment. However I suspect Adonis is closer* to what will actually happen than Johnson's rhetoric and he's the one nominally in charge.

*NB not necessarily very close. Just closer.

surbiton19

To all Liberal Democrats on PB: I am hearing that Davey [ who is my MP ] is doing better than expected. Is this correct ? I am asking this because the person who gave me this information is not neutral, shall we say.

dr_spyn

Email from outside the Labour Party network, how unusual, how exceptional, how extraordinary.

https://twitter.com/RaynerSkyNews/status/1152231538987274246/photo/1

What a wunch of bankers...

Pulpstar

FrancisUrquhart said:

Pulpstar said:

Looks like Alaphilipe has found those err.. marginal gains.

I wonder how the predicted heat wave will be a negative for thomas in the mountains?

I'm not sure how Alaphilipe managed to win the time trial, always thought those favoured larger cyclists like De Gendt/Martin (75 kilos being as heavy as a tour cyclist gets) as it's more about absolubte power rather than a watt/kilo calculation...
Got me scratching my head a bit how he was able to beat the field (ex Thomas) by over 30 seconds, including what would have been Van Aert's time (V close to De Gendt) if he stayed upright.

HYUFD

Corbyn still is favoured 54% to 45% amongst the Labour membership though, although a substantially lower margin than the 65 to 70% Boris will win the Tory membership ballot with next week it is enough for Corbynism to keep its grip on the Labour Party.

If that is the case though I expect many of those 45%, particularly the anti Brexit ones, will follow the likes of Chuka to the LDs, with many already having voted Liberal in the European Parliament elections as the poll shows

kle4

Heard the story of them falling out of love with him before. Yes, the wolf eventually showed up when the boy kept crying about it, but it was just boring until it did.

kle4

Running several hours behind everyone else

AlastairMeeks said:

Other Conservative posters could also be improved:

Look, at least it is innovative.

rcs1000

kle4 said:

Running several hours behind everyone else

AlastairMeeks said:

Other Conservative posters could also be improved:

Look, at least it is innovative.

It's also almost certainly a spoof.

rottenborough

FF43 said:

david_herdson said:

rottenborough said:

Interesting point.

"Mr Johnson would remain committed to his ‘do or die’ stance on a no-deal Brexit until after the Conservative party conference in September."

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0719/1064100-lord-adonis-brexit/

I can't think of anyone less suited to dispassionately analyse likely Tory strategy, tactics and policy on Brexit than Adonis - or indeed his analysis on any part of Brexit.

On the face of it, a sensible comment. However I suspect Adonis is closer* to what will actually happen than Johnson's rhetoric and he's the one nominally in charge.

*NB not necessarily very close. Just closer.

Makes sense though. Boris wants to be liked. There is no way he is going to conference to make a tub thumping speech that doesn't involve do or die and no deal brexit.

williamglenn

Morris_Dancer said:

Moving powers from nation states to a centralised bureaucracy is a retrograde step.

An associate membership with most of the economics retained and most of the politics stripped away is the obvious answer.

This is hopelessly confused. Economics cannot be separated from politics, so what you are proposing is more technocracy, not less.

AlastairMeeks

rcs1000 said:

kle4 said:

Running several hours behind everyone else

AlastairMeeks said:

Other Conservative posters could also be improved:

Look, at least it is innovative.

It's also almost certainly a spoof.

As always, print the legend.

rcs1000

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

Patel for Foreign Secretary?

I thought traditionally, she'd take another job in government, and then run her own paralle foreign policy. And when asked, lie about it.

rottenborough

kle4 said:

Running several hours behind everyone else

AlastairMeeks said:

Other Conservative posters could also be improved:

Look, at least it is innovative.

It would double the numbers though.

AlastairMeeks

On topic, Jeremy Corbyn being deposed was one of my more out there end of year predictions. I’m pleased to see it doesn’t look ridiculous at this stage.

Roger

TrèsDifficile said:

Roger said:

TrèsDifficile said:

Roger said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

I'd be surprised if any voter takes it seriously anymore. Whoever is pumping out these stories yesterday accused him of consorting with an Orthodox Rabbi who is a homophobe! They didn't understand there's no such thing as an orthodox rabbi who isn't a homophobe!

Are there Orthodox Rabbis who don't write emails to other Rabbis, copied in to all of the local Jewish population, addressing them as 'Kapo', like this homophobic chap did?

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/anti-ofsted-charedi-activist-shraga-stern-sparks-anger-by-calling-rabbi-pinter-kapo-1.481714

I can't understand a word of the JC article. Not a first by any means. If you know an Orthodox Rabbi who believes homosexuality is acceptable then you aren't Jewish or you don't know any Orthodox Jews let alone Orthodox Rabbis. There's enough crap to throw at Corbyn without dredging up this nonsense. My sense is he isn't anti semitic and I believe if he was I'd know it

It's pretty fricking straightforward.

Corbyn's best Rabbi friend, who is a massive homophobe, addressed another Rabbi, Avraham Pinter, as "Kapo Pinter".

Kapo was the term used in concentration camps for the Jewish prisoners who got slightly favourable treatment for supervising their fellow prisoners.

This man is a disgusting individual even if, as you're seemingly happy to, you can ignore his horrible homophobia.

I got that much but what does that have to do with Corbyn or my origina post.? A spat between Rabbis is as common as a Man City win. One of the great things about orthodox rabbis is their learning. If he chooses to use the word 'Capo' however tasteless that's up to him. Neither of them are morons. They don't need your council or the JC's

SandyRentool

rcs1000 said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

Patel for Foreign Secretary?

I thought traditionally, she'd take another job in government, and then run her own paralle foreign policy. And when asked, lie about it.

Off topic - to answer your question from last night I'm on holiday staying south of Vancouver. Family wedding tomorrow.

HYUFD

MarqueeMark said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.

Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business

IanB2

HYUFD said:

MarqueeMark said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.

Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business

Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?

ydoethur

kle4 said:

Running several hours behind everyone else

AlastairMeeks said:

Other Conservative posters could also be improved:

Look, at least it is innovative.

The best one was genuine, an Alliance leaflet from 1987:

'The Alliance's economic policies will reduce employment by one million in three years.'

And they had distributed them before anyone noticed...

Honourable mention to Norman Fowler's AIDS campaign, where he famously said 'we're sending 23 million leaflets to every household in Britain.'

TrèsDifficile

Roger said:

TrèsDifficile said:

Roger said:

TrèsDifficile said:

Roger said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1152232119172812803?s=21

I'd be surprised if any voter takes it seriously anymore. Whoever is pumping out these stories yesterday accused him of consorting with an Orthodox Rabbi who is a homophobe! They didn't understand there's no such thing as an orthodox rabbi who isn't a homophobe!

Are there Orthodox Rabbis who don't write emails to other Rabbis, copied in to all of the local Jewish population, addressing them as 'Kapo', like this homophobic chap did?

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/anti-ofsted-charedi-activist-shraga-stern-sparks-anger-by-calling-rabbi-pinter-kapo-1.481714

I can't understand a word of the JC article. Not a first by any means. If you know an Orthodox Rabbi who believes homosexuality is acceptable then you aren't Jewish or you don't know any Orthodox Jews let alone Orthodox Rabbis. There's enough crap to throw at Corbyn without dredging up this nonsense. My sense is he isn't anti semitic and I believe if he was I'd know it

It's pretty fricking straightforward.

Corbyn's best Rabbi friend, who is a massive homophobe, addressed another Rabbi, Avraham Pinter, as "Kapo Pinter".

Kapo was the term used in concentration camps for the Jewish prisoners who got slightly favourable treatment for supervising their fellow prisoners.

This man is a disgusting individual even if, as you're seemingly happy to, you can ignore his horrible homophobia.

I got that much but what does that have to do with Corbyn or my origina post.? A spat between Rabbis is as common as a Man City win. One of the great things about orthodox rabbis is their learning. If he chooses to use the word 'Capo' however tasteless that's up to him. Neither of them are morons. They don't need your council or the JC's

If you and Corbyn are too thick to realise why his choosing to associate with a Rabbi who uses a concentration camp term to describe another Rabbi, when Corbyn has a massive antisemitism problem, and has just fired someone for comparing his office to Hitler's bunker, then it's not worth trying to explain.

JackW

surbiton19 said:

To all Liberal Democrats on PB: I am hearing that Davey [ who is my MP ] is doing better than expected. Is this correct ? I am asking this because the person who gave me this information is not neutral, shall we say.

No one would ever accuse @HYUFD of being neutral ....

ydoethur

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

MarqueeMark said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.

Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business

Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?

She couldn't possibly be worse than he was.

eek

ydoethur said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

MarqueeMark said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.

Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business

Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?

She couldn't possibly be worse than he was.

You always want someone worse than you to make yourself look good...

eek

HYUFD said:

MarqueeMark said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.

Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business

Patel v Abbott - that will be fun...

JackW

rcs1000 said:

kle4 said:

Running several hours behind everyone else

AlastairMeeks said:

Other Conservative posters could also be improved:

Look, at least it is innovative.

It's also almost certainly a spoof.

It's a triumph of this modern political age that "almost" is necessary in such a context.

Pulpstar

surbiton19 said:

To all Liberal Democrats on PB: I am hearing that Davey [ who is my MP ] is doing better than expected. Is this correct ? I am asking this because the person who gave me this information is not neutral, shall we say.

It'd be good news for the PB cocktail fund if he was.

kle4

williamglenn said:

It seems the real traitor in chief has been hiding in plain sight all along.

https://twitter.com/gerardbattenuk/status/1152091688002826240?s=21

Not sure he is fishing in a very wide pool with all the people he hates.

ydoethur

eek said:

ydoethur said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

MarqueeMark said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

Boris can't get away with 0 from 4 women in the top jobs. At least one of Mordaunt and Truss; more interesting would be both.

Boris PM, Javid Chancellor, Raab Foreign Secretary, Patel or Mordaunt Home Secretary, Hunt Deputy PM, IDS Defence, Cleverly Party Chairman, Truss Business

Lol @ Patel in a top job. Would even Bozo plumb such depths?

She couldn't possibly be worse than he was.

You always want someone worse than you to make yourself look good...

Look, even General Patton would have been a better Foreign Secretary than Boris.

kle4

rcs1000 said:

kle4 said:

Running several hours behind everyone else

AlastairMeeks said:

Other Conservative posters could also be improved:

Look, at least it is innovative.

It's also almost certainly a spoof.

Many a great idea to be found in spoof. And a lot of other ideas too.

Sandpit

dr_spyn said:

Email from outside the Labour Party network, how unusual, how exceptional, how extraordinary.

https://twitter.com/RaynerSkyNews/status/1152231538987274246/photo/1

What a wunch of bankers...

Is that email using Parliamentary resources to deal with party matters?

kle4

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1152199330838786049

Is false recall really the right term? I get there could be confusion about voting some ways back, but surely no one without a problem 'recalls' incorrectly so recently?

Sandpit

TGOHF said:

https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1152235166707920897?s=20

Fantastic news. Now who made the decision to spend three years and half a million quid of public money on perusing Darren Grimes for the most trivial of reasons?

Chris

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1152234631699324928

Presumably those figures exclude the 534 entries all from the same email address predicting Andrea Leadsom would be Chancellor ...

ydoethur

Sandpit said:

dr_spyn said:

Email from outside the Labour Party network, how unusual, how exceptional, how extraordinary.

https://twitter.com/RaynerSkyNews/status/1152231538987274246/photo/1

What a wunch of bankers...

Is that email using Parliamentary resources to deal with party matters?

Good spot, I don't think Sky have noticed that.

williamglenn

kle4 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/anthonyjwells/status/1152199330838786049

Is false recall really the right term? I get there could be confusion about voting some ways back, but surely no one without a problem 'recalls' incorrectly so recently?

Not everyone takes the decision so seriously that it's indelibly marked in their memory.