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  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    I'm speechless. It's a black comedy.
  • Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace
  • GazGaz Posts: 45
    Was IDS a failure?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.
  • GazGaz Posts: 45
    Has there been a new PM who hasn’t had a pretty good honeymoon? Even Gordon Brown was in the stratosphere (to begin with).
  • basicbridgebasicbridge Posts: 674
    justin124 said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.
    oh for Heavens sake. Brexit really has driven some people mad.

    Godwin's law within 4 posts....
  • justin124 said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.
    The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited July 2019
    Gaz said:

    Has there been a new PM who hasn’t had a pretty good honeymoon? Even Gordon Brown was in the stratosphere (to begin with).

    I don't think it was very obvious for Macmillan and Douglas - Home. Wilson became PM in mid-October 1964 and Labour lost the supposedly safe seat of Leyton at the end of January 1965 in a by election.
  • sladeslade Posts: 1,921
    Sorry to be out of the country with all the excitement at the moment. But I am just sailing out of St Petersburg were it is 25C. Happy enough with Swinson as party leader but dreading a Johnson government. Can it still be prevented?
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882
    We'd be no closer to a Brexit solution had Rory Stewart been made leader either.
  • GazGaz Posts: 45
    slade said:

    Sorry to be out of the country with all the excitement at the moment. But I am just sailing out of St Petersburg were it is 25C. Happy enough with Swinson as party leader but dreading a Johnson government. Can it still be prevented?

    It could have, if parliament had voted through the WA.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited July 2019

    justin124 said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.
    The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.
    Hitler put the Socialists and Communists in Concentration Camps. Those in his own ranks he found threatening or left wing he eliminated in the Roehm Purge on 30th June 1934.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,232
    My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,401
    Scott_P said:
    That never goes badly. Residual Labour loyalty will come back.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697

    My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)

    That's what you think? Or that's what you hope? ;)
  • justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.
    The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.
    Hitler put the Socialists and Communists in Concentration Camps. Those in his own ranks he found threatening or left wing he eliminated in the Roehm Purge on 30th June 1934.
    So just to be clear - You're calling out Boris as a Nazi ; but in your little world the SNP are given a free pass.

    Well at least we know where you stand
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,043
    Boris Johnson Is About to Collide With Reality
    He has thrived on theatrics. As prime minister, he faces Brexit’s final act.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/23/opinion/boris-johnson-elected-brexit.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)

    It depends on the Brexit supporting media, the Daily Telegraph, Daily Mail, The Sun and the Daily Express. If these newspapers stop their support for Farage and Brexit then maybe Boris will have some space. But these newspapers have been instrumental in ousting TM by giving the Brexit party acres of publicity and willing Tory members and voters to back BP in the European elections. Boris is the Brexit supporting media's PM, they can take away as much as they give...
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    edited July 2019
    Scott_P said:
    Announce it's happening on first day back after recess (5th September) and hold it on 17th October. :D
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,959
    Boris + heat + fevered imaginations = laugh out loud at the madness being spouted.

    You are all making it very, very easy for Boris to surprise on the upside, given the bar he has to jump is now just microns off the deck.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    FPT

    Attempting just to copy and paste because I don't know if transferring the complete blockquote works on this 'vanillacommunity' website

    YBarddCwsc said:

    » show previous quotes
    Well, rural_voter sure don't live anywhere rural.

    The closest Majestic Wines to me are 2 and 1/2 hours drive away in Cardiff or Swansea.

    My nearest towns are probably Ludlow, Leominster or Knighton and there's a Majestic in Hereford. I don't know where you are ... possibly in the wilds of Powys.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,748
    If BJ crashes and burns, could the Tories get away with imposing yet another PM on the electorate without a GE?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,165
    The Speaker is not going to let the government run down the clock.

    What is Bercow going to do to stop it?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.
    The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.
    Hitler put the Socialists and Communists in Concentration Camps. Those in his own ranks he found threatening or left wing he eliminated in the Roehm Purge on 30th June 1934.
    So just to be clear - You're calling out Boris as a Nazi ; but in your little world the SNP are given a free pass.

    Well at least we know where you stand
    No - I do, however, share the opinion of many Conservatives that he is a thoroughly malign and disreputable human being.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    Boris + heat + fevered imaginations = laugh out loud at the madness being spouted.

    You are all making it very, very easy for Boris to surprise on the upside, given the bar he has to jump is now just microns off the deck.

    We're making it very hard for him to surprise on the downside, knowing that he can't resist a challenge.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,232
    GIN1138 said:

    My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)

    That's what you think? Or that's what you hope? ;)
    I think that will be the most enjoyable scenario for him: have some fun for a couple of years and then batter Jezza. An early Brexit or an early election may spoil it all very quickly. After spending a lifetime setting himself up for the top job, Boris will want to get his money's worth.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697

    GIN1138 said:

    My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)

    That's what you think? Or that's what you hope? ;)
    I think that will be the most enjoyable scenario for him: have some fun for a couple of years and then batter Jezza. An early Brexit or an early election may spoil it all very quickly. After spending a lifetime setting himself up for the top job, Boris will want to get his money's worth.
    Or her could batter Jezza now, give the Tories their biggest majority for 32 years and secure himself at least five years in office (with another five likely if the majority is big enough)
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    Boris Johnson Is About to Collide With Reality
    He has thrived on theatrics. As prime minister, he faces Brexit’s final act.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/23/opinion/boris-johnson-elected-brexit.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

    I dunno, it might be Act 2 of 3. Act 3 could be after Johnson inevitably - I think - extends, the govt falls, Con-DUP can't quite get a majority and Corbyn is left 'holding the baby' but needing C&S from SNP, L.Dem and if he bows to their demands (hopefully for a confirmatory referendum *and* PR) probably getting help from PC and Green too.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,711
    edited July 2019
    Unfortunately there is no compromise across party lines after MPs rejected the Withdrawal Agreement.

    The vast majority of Tory and Brexit Party voters now back No Deal in October over Revoke, the vast majority of Labour and LD voters back Revoke or extension and EUref2 over No Deal.

    After May goes we are heading for a final showdown, Brexit Deal or No Deal with a Boris majority or a Tory and Brexit Party coalition or Revoke or extension and EUref2 with Labour, the LDs and SNP, perhaps with Swinson even giving the LDs an outside chance of overtaking Labour as the main party for Remain voters
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Gaz said:

    Has there been a new PM who hasn’t had a pretty good honeymoon? Even Gordon Brown was in the stratosphere (to begin with).

    Mrs Thatcher and Tony Blair both had unpopular policies associated with them personally rather than with their parties: the poll tax and Iraq respectively.

    When they resigned, they took the toxicity with them, thus gifting their successors, John Major and Gordon Brown, a natural lift in the polls.

    Does this apply to Theresa May? I'm not sure it does. Do voters see her as malign or just not very good?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,748
    edited July 2019
    Would stake my life that until whichever fried neuron in the Trump brain came up with it, no one anywhere ever called BJ 'Britain Trump'.

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1153698117616840709
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    edited July 2019
    “They call him Britain (sic) Trump. And people are saying that’s a good thing. They like me over there.”

    Proud now, HYUFD ?
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)

    That's what you think? Or that's what you hope? ;)
    I think that will be the most enjoyable scenario for him: have some fun for a couple of years and then batter Jezza. An early Brexit or an early election may spoil it all very quickly. After spending a lifetime setting himself up for the top job, Boris will want to get his money's worth.
    Or her could batter Jezza now, give the Tories their biggest majority for 32 years and secure himself at least five years in office (with another five likely if the majority is big enough)
    I doubt he could get the Tories the biggest majority for 32 years! You might think highly of Boris Johnson but there are many probably former Tory voters who will not support him. To be honest I think your "winner" Boris will do worse than TM in any GE as the Tories will likely lose most, if not all seats in Scotland for starters before you factor in any LD gains in England, Scotland and possibly Wales.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,535
    edited July 2019
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1153698152098254848

    Britain Trump does sum up Boris, but I'm not sure that he will like the name.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,711
    edited July 2019
    Nigelb said:

    “They call him Britain (sic) Trump. And people are saying that’s a good thing. They like me over there.”

    Proud now, HYUFD ?

    Trump won, like him or not
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,912
    I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)

    That's what you think? Or that's what you hope? ;)
    I think that will be the most enjoyable scenario for him: have some fun for a couple of years and then batter Jezza. An early Brexit or an early election may spoil it all very quickly. After spending a lifetime setting himself up for the top job, Boris will want to get his money's worth.
    Or her could batter Jezza now, give the Tories their biggest majority for 32 years and secure himself at least five years in office (with another five likely if the majority is big enough)
    I doubt he could get the Tories the biggest majority for 32 years! You might think highly of Boris Johnson but there are many probably former Tory voters who will not support him. To be honest I think your "winner" Boris will do worse than TM in any GE as the Tories will likely lose most, if not all seats in Scotland for starters before you factor in any LD gains in England, Scotland and possibly Wales.
    Time will tell. :D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,711

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)

    That's what you think? Or that's what you hope? ;)
    I think that will be the most enjoyable scenario for him: have some fun for a couple of years and then batter Jezza. An early Brexit or an early election may spoil it all very quickly. After spending a lifetime setting himself up for the top job, Boris will want to get his money's worth.
    Or her could batter Jezza now, give the Tories their biggest majority for 32 years and secure himself at least five years in office (with another five likely if the majority is big enough)
    I doubt he could get the Tories the biggest majority for 32 years! You might think highly of Boris Johnson but there are many probably former Tory voters who will not support him. To be honest I think your "winner" Boris will do worse than TM in any GE as the Tories will likely lose most, if not all seats in Scotland for starters before you factor in any LD gains in England, Scotland and possibly Wales.
    Boris could win a majority on a 10% lower voteshare than May if Remainers divide equally between the LDs and Labour and if he wins back many Brexit Party voters
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    “They call him Britain (sic) Trump. And people are saying that’s a good thing. They like me over there.”

    Proud now, HYUFD ?

    Trump won
    That appears to be your only metric.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575

    Would stake my life that until whichever fried neuron in the Trump brain came up with it, no one anywhere ever called BJ 'Britain Trump'.

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1153698117616840709

    They will now.
  • Nicola has "profound concerns" about Boris apparently.

    Who knew?
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979

    I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.

    I was fascinated a few weeks ago to hear that depending on whether an occasion was Government business or party business the lectern in Downing street is changed. Apparently BJ is not going to use a No10 lectern tomorrow. I wonder if this has any significance?
  • glwglw Posts: 9,535
    Nigelb said:

    Would stake my life that until whichever fried neuron in the Trump brain came up with it, no one anywhere ever called BJ 'Britain Trump'.

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1153698117616840709

    They will now.
    I for one intend to refer to him as Britain Trump from now on.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,789

    I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.

    I was fascinated a few weeks ago to hear that depending on whether an occasion was Government business or party business the lectern in Downing street is changed. Apparently BJ is not going to use a No10 lectern tomorrow. I wonder if this has any significance?
    The absence of the government crest was the first sign May was going to call an election...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xr9-CkZZRk
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941

    I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.

    I was fascinated a few weeks ago to hear that depending on whether an occasion was Government business or party business the lectern in Downing street is changed. Apparently BJ is not going to use a No10 lectern tomorrow. I wonder if this has any significance?
    Who said this?
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.

    His team does not fear the vote against no deal. If you listen carefully all the Boris circle and even Andrew Mitchell said it on Sky. Boris may well come back with multiple deals.

    They will claim the EI mini deals are a deal. Let the legal eagles argue.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,009
    glw said:

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1153698152098254848

    Britain Trump does sum up Boris, but I'm not sure that he will like the name.

    Did he try to say "Britain's Trump" and fail (twice), or what? Or is he degenerating into caveman-speak? Will he be communicating solely by grunts and screeches by the end of his term?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.

    Why do people think Boris has any kind of "plan" at all?
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    My guess is that Boris will ditch 31 October and any hint of an early election. His hope will be that the novelty of Farage will fade, and he'll have a GE in a few years framed as Boris v. Jezza. (Brexit will have to wait for another day.)

    That's what you think? Or that's what you hope? ;)
    I think that will be the most enjoyable scenario for him: have some fun for a couple of years and then batter Jezza. An early Brexit or an early election may spoil it all very quickly. After spending a lifetime setting himself up for the top job, Boris will want to get his money's worth.
    Or her could batter Jezza now, give the Tories their biggest majority for 32 years and secure himself at least five years in office (with another five likely if the majority is big enough)
    I doubt he could get the Tories the biggest majority for 32 years! You might think highly of Boris Johnson but there are many probably former Tory voters who will not support him. To be honest I think your "winner" Boris will do worse than TM in any GE as the Tories will likely lose most, if not all seats in Scotland for starters before you factor in any LD gains in England, Scotland and possibly Wales.
    Time will tell. :D
    He will look pretty shit if he could not do as well as TM! Just saying...
  • glwglw Posts: 9,535
    edited July 2019
    Chris said:

    glw said:

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1153698152098254848

    Britain Trump does sum up Boris, but I'm not sure that he will like the name.

    Did he try to say "Britain's Trump" and fail (twice), or what? Or is he degenerating into caveman-speak? Will he be communicating solely by grunts and screeches by the end of his term?
    His bigly brain is rotting, and yes he really did say it twice.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,711
    glw said:

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1153698152098254848

    Britain Trump does sum up Boris, but I'm not sure that he will like the name.

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1153700900525019136?s=20
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,959
    Chris said:

    glw said:

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1153698152098254848

    Britain Trump does sum up Boris, but I'm not sure that he will like the name.

    Did he try to say "Britain's Trump" and fail (twice), or what? Or is he degenerating into caveman-speak? Will he be communicating solely by grunts and screeches by the end of his term?
    By the end of his second term.

    Which will be about the start of Boris's.....
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575

    I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.

    I was fascinated a few weeks ago to hear that depending on whether an occasion was Government business or party business the lectern in Downing street is changed. Apparently BJ is not going to use a No10 lectern tomorrow. I wonder if this has any significance?
    He fears it might obscure his magnificence ?

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575
    malcolmg said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.
    A unexpectedly mild rebuke, malcolm.
    Not undeserved.

  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    Danny565 said:

    I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.

    Why do people think Boris has any kind of "plan" at all?
    None, just like Gordon Brown. He wants power but does not really know what he wants to do with it...
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20
  • malcolmg said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.
    Ah you're back - I thought I'd scared you off with my logic and outstanding electioneering

    #Carling4Tennents4indyref2
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674
    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.
    The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.
    Hitler put the Socialists and Communists in Concentration Camps. Those in his own ranks he found threatening or left wing he eliminated in the Roehm Purge on 30th June 1934.
    So just to be clear - You're calling out Boris as a Nazi ; but in your little world the SNP are given a free pass.

    Well at least we know where you stand
    No - I do, however, share the opinion of many Conservatives that he is a thoroughly malign and disreputable human being.
    I fear Brisket has caught HYFUD syndrome and has gone mental unionist today. He seems to be having a meltdown over the SNP.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,009
    Danny565 said:

    I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.

    Why do people think Boris has any kind of "plan" at all?
    Is it because he was such a master-planner during his handling of Brexit as foreign secretary?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674

    justin124 said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.
    The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.
    Village idiot escaped alert
  • basicbridgebasicbridge Posts: 674

    Boris + heat + fevered imaginations = laugh out loud at the madness being spouted.

    You are all making it very, very easy for Boris to surprise on the upside, given the bar he has to jump is now just microns off the deck.

    Boris + heat + fevered imaginations = laugh out loud at the madness being spouted.

    You are all making it very, very easy for Boris to surprise on the upside, given the bar he has to jump is now just microns off the deck.


    Brexit does seem, almost literally, to have driven some people nearly insane.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    RobD said:

    I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.

    I was fascinated a few weeks ago to hear that depending on whether an occasion was Government business or party business the lectern in Downing street is changed. Apparently BJ is not going to use a No10 lectern tomorrow. I wonder if this has any significance?
    Who said this?
    It was on TV today. I was surprised...
  • LOL Malky's been trolled

    Problem, Malky?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Danny565 said:

    I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.

    Why do people think Boris has any kind of "plan" at all?
    That's a very good question. If he does, he's hiding it jolly well.
  • basicbridgebasicbridge Posts: 674
    Nigelb said:

    malcolmg said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.
    A unexpectedly mild rebuke, malcolm.
    Not undeserved.


    malcolmg is a case in point of someone being driven quite mad by Brexit....
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    Chris said:

    Danny565 said:

    I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.

    Why do people think Boris has any kind of "plan" at all?
    Is it because he was such a master-planner during his handling of Brexit as foreign secretary?
    May deliberately removed any responsibility for Brexit from the FO. A lot of FO staff moved to DexEU.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674
    Nigelb said:

    malcolmg said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.
    A unexpectedly mild rebuke, malcolm.
    Not undeserved.

    I am in a good mood Nigel.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 38,851
    Agree with header that the next leader will be a Leaver.

    On the reasonable assumption that the Boris tenure will end in tears the next leader will also be someone who has not backed him this time. Has opposed him even.

    Being female will no longer be a disadvantage when following a male clown and of course age will be key - we should be looking at somebody who is presently in their forties or early fifties.

    It all spells Penny Mordaunt.

    I will be bidding on betfair for her at 20 shortly - so if anybody who disagrees with me fancies laying at that? ...
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20

    Dick Cheney: Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,013
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Announce it's happening on first day back after recess (5th September) and hold it on 17th October. :D
    Exactly the scenario I've been plugging for a while. An election on 17th / 24th with a pledge that. Tory government delivers no deal on Halloween. I can see them hoovering up Brexit votes - problem of course is a decent chunk of Tories will defect to the LibDems or an independent Tory group. Labour will also split based on Jezbollah's remain in opposition leave in government position.

    Yes I know that wouldn't leave enough time to reconvene the new parliament or pass the necessary emergency legislation. None of that matters to Bozza - if he wins no need for parliament to meet before Halloween as the crash out date is already in law. No need to worry about actual laws to make no deal work - just tell Johnny Foreigner to do one.

    Rolling the dice in October would be a massive risk. But what's his alternative? This can't go on and on and on - there won't be a Tory party left. And that's all he cares about.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20

    The word is "bodgering" I think.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674

    malcolmg said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.
    Ah you're back - I thought I'd scared you off with my logic and outstanding electioneering

    #Carling4Tennents4indyref2
    Has the brewers horse farted in your face and got you steaming
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575

    Boris + heat + fevered imaginations = laugh out loud at the madness being spouted.

    You are all making it very, very easy for Boris to surprise on the upside, given the bar he has to jump is now just microns off the deck.

    I don’t know about ‘very, very easy’, but otherwise I agree with you.
    Expectations are nil, and it is certainly not utterly impossible he finds some way to thread the needle.

    I wouldn’t even be disappointed in the unlikely event of that happening.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674

    LOL Malky's been trolled

    Problem, Malky?

    Never a problem for me Brisket
  • MarxMarx Posts: 28
    The electorate will not stand, sit or lie down for another internal Conservative pm election. There will have to be a GE. Bets on October?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,401
    Chris said:

    glw said:

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1153698152098254848

    Britain Trump does sum up Boris, but I'm not sure that he will like the name.

    Did he try to say "Britain's Trump" and fail (twice), or what? Or is he degenerating into caveman-speak? Will he be communicating solely by grunts and screeches by the end of his term?
    And still have a good shot at winning, no doubt.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,697
    malcolmg said:

    justin124 said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.
    The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.
    Village idiot escaped alert
    Evening Malc. :D
  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.
    Ah you're back - I thought I'd scared you off with my logic and outstanding electioneering

    #Carling4Tennents4indyref2
    Has the brewers horse farted in your face and got you steaming
    No it's a new campaign I've just started for unionist Scots. We will be drinking Carling from now, as opposed to the ubiquitous Tennents for the duration of the #indyref2 campaign. It's got a memorable hashtag-

    #Carling4Tennents4indyref2
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,575

    hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20

    Dick Cheney: Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.
    Trump already proved to his own satisfaction that debt doesn’t matter, as he’s always found a way for someone else to wind up paying for it.

    Even easier in government.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,711

    hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20

    The deficit also grew under Reagan but the economy boomed
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674

    Nigelb said:

    malcolmg said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.
    A unexpectedly mild rebuke, malcolm.
    Not undeserved.


    malcolmg is a case in point of someone being driven quite mad by Brexit....
    Now we have a telepathic Medical expert psychiatrist diagnosing on PB.
    How many more batshit crazy people will come out of the woodwork.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited July 2019
    Nigelb said:

    hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20

    Dick Cheney: Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.
    Trump already proved to his own satisfaction that debt doesn’t matter, as he’s always found a way for someone else to wind up paying for it.

    Even easier in government.

    Lefty economists think it's a great idea, they've even coined the acronym MMT for it. Disappointingly, this stands for 'Modern Monetary Theory' rather than 'Magic Money Tree', but the two are the same thing.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674
    GIN1138 said:

    malcolmg said:

    justin124 said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    That's what many said in Germany on 30th January 1933.
    The only nationalist with socialist policies people live on the north of the island.
    Village idiot escaped alert
    Evening Malc. :D
    Evening Gin , hope all is well with you, exciting times.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,401
    Marx said:

    The electorate will not stand, sit or lie down for another internal Conservative pm election. There will have to be a GE. Bets on October?

    The electorate don't figure into whether we will have one in the slightest, whether they care or not they have no input. I for one don't have any particular issue with PMs switching without an election, that's a consequence of our system of government and if the public don't like it they will eventually get a chance to show it. The reason we will likely get such an early GE is because of being unable to get anything passed in the Commons, or a VONC.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,785
    I know the Tories typically despatch failed leaders, but getting Boris as Loto very early doors might not be a bad Tory tactic, in much the same way as David Herdson suggested letting Labour have a go, which iirc was one of his lines after GE 2017.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,401

    Nigelb said:

    hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20

    Dick Cheney: Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.
    Trump already proved to his own satisfaction that debt doesn’t matter, as he’s always found a way for someone else to wind up paying for it.

    Even easier in government.

    Lefty economists think it's a great idea, they've even coined the acronym MMT for it. Disappointingly, this stands for 'Modern Monetary Theory' rather than 'Magic Money Tree', but the two are the same thing.
    Seems like that is not a coincidence.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.
    Ah you're back - I thought I'd scared you off with my logic and outstanding electioneering

    #Carling4Tennents4indyref2
    Has the brewers horse farted in your face and got you steaming
    No it's a new campaign I've just started for unionist Scots. We will be drinking Carling from now, as opposed to the ubiquitous Tennents for the duration of the #indyref2 campaign. It's got a memorable hashtag-

    #Carling4Tennents4indyref2
    Carling is piss water, Tennents is just about drinkable but you would have to be easy pleased to drink Carling.
    I prefer a premium beer myself.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,069

    hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20

    Dick Cheney: Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.
    Debt is only a problem when it is from the left it seems.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    I imagine his game plan is to engineer a situation where Parliament blocks no deal but it looks like he tried to make it happen, use the Brexit delay to fight an election on a no deal platform, then use his resulting majority to pivot back to a version of May's deal, perhaps with an Irish sea border if no longer reliant on the DUP. I think the plan will come unstuck somewhere along the way, but something like it looks like his best bet of avoiding immediate ignominious failure.

    I was fascinated a few weeks ago to hear that depending on whether an occasion was Government business or party business the lectern in Downing street is changed. Apparently BJ is not going to use a No10 lectern tomorrow. I wonder if this has any significance?
    In the past new Prime Ministers have not used a lectern at all - indeed have said very little beyond a few words . It has usually simply been a case of 'I have just returned from the Palace where HMQ asked me to form a Government' Within a minute or so , they disappeared into No 10. Even Thatcher in 1979 when she mistakenly attributed words to St Francis of Assisi did not make a speech.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,401
    Foxy said:

    hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20

    Dick Cheney: Reagan proved that deficits don't matter.
    Debt is only a problem when it is from the left it seems.
    Like NHS reorganisations from the right
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    HYUFD said:

    hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20

    The deficit also grew under Reagan but the economy boomed
    The people who fell for right wing parties' propaganda about deficits are shocked- shocked!- to discover those parties don't really care
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,959
    edited July 2019

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Announce it's happening on first day back after recess (5th September) and hold it on 17th October. :D
    Exactly the scenario I've been plugging for a while. An election on 17th / 24th with a pledge that. Tory government delivers no deal on Halloween. I can see them hoovering up Brexit votes - problem of course is a decent chunk of Tories will defect to the LibDems or an independent Tory group. Labour will also split based on Jezbollah's remain in opposition leave in government position.

    Yes I know that wouldn't leave enough time to reconvene the new parliament or pass the necessary emergency legislation. None of that matters to Bozza - if he wins no need for parliament to meet before Halloween as the crash out date is already in law. No need to worry about actual laws to make no deal work - just tell Johnny Foreigner to do one.

    Rolling the dice in October would be a massive risk. But what's his alternative? This can't go on and on and on - there won't be a Tory party left. And that's all he cares about.
    An October election leaves Labour in a world of pain..... An outcome of Con 32-35 Lab 22-25 Lib Dems 18-23 isn't out the question.
  • MarxMarx Posts: 28

    hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20

    Anyone who could go bankrupt twice building and running casino's, or the other ventures, Airlines, Vodka or University amongst others really doesn't have a record I would bet on. And then there is Trump's recorded attraction to young underage females which is simmering away nicely in the background.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    HYUFD said:

    hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20

    The deficit also grew under Reagan but the economy boomed
    Arguably, the US started on a very poor track record in the 1980s that it still follows today and the UK follows as well. US/UK just keep postponing the day of reckoning as they live beyond their means. I mean the US is on steroids, has practically its own oil supply and it still racks up deficits by the day! The UK is in some ways an even worse case as it does not have the boon of possessing the leading currency.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 3,870

    malcolmg said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.
    Ah you're back - I thought I'd scared you off with my logic and outstanding electioneering

    #Carling4Tennents4indyref2
    For goodness’ sake, not everyone spends every waking hour glued to this site.

    And those who do... arguably shouldn’t.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,084

    hoping the buffoon won't follow Trump's approach to budgeting ....

    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1153700556847898624?s=20

    Of course he will, just as he wasted all that money in London.

    Right wing profligacy carries the advantage that the left won't complain about their overspending.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674

    malcolmg said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.
    Ah you're back - I thought I'd scared you off with my logic and outstanding electioneering

    #Carling4Tennents4indyref2
    For goodness’ sake, not everyone spends every waking hour glued to this site.

    And those who do... arguably shouldn’t.
    Brisket forgets some of us have to work
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,013

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Announce it's happening on first day back after recess (5th September) and hold it on 17th October. :D
    Exactly the scenario I've been plugging for a while. An election on 17th / 24th with a pledge that. Tory government delivers no deal on Halloween. I can see them hoovering up Brexit votes - problem of course is a decent chunk of Tories will defect to the LibDems or an independent Tory group. Labour will also split based on Jezbollah's remain in opposition leave in government position.

    Yes I know that wouldn't leave enough time to reconvene the new parliament or pass the necessary emergency legislation. None of that matters to Bozza - if he wins no need for parliament to meet before Halloween as the crash out date is already in law. No need to worry about actual laws to make no deal work - just tell Johnny Foreigner to do one.

    Rolling the dice in October would be a massive risk. But what's his alternative? This can't go on and on and on - there won't be a Tory party left. And that's all he cares about.
    An October election leaves Labour in a world of pain..... An outcome of Con 32-35 Lab 22-25 Lib Dems 18-23 isn't out the question.
    Yup. We'd get utterly battered.
  • malcolmg said:

    Give the guy a chance.

    I, for one, welcome our new overlord with good grace

    FPT get stuffed you complete rear end, if we adult people wish to post here then it will not be juvenile plonkers like you that make the decision.
    Ah you're back - I thought I'd scared you off with my logic and outstanding electioneering

    #Carling4Tennents4indyref2
    For goodness’ sake, not everyone spends every waking hour glued to this site.

    And those who do... arguably shouldn’t.
    It wasn't just malky, todays trilogy of Malky, UnionDiv and Mr Glenn have all been a bit queit (well not malky at the moment obviously) since I posed my "PB conundrum" for them
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