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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    1st
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,334
    The reselection argument works the other way. MPs worried that the process might unseat them (and I think most see it as a tiresome routine rather than a seriuous risk) will want an early election, as the whole selection process is then short-circuited and former candidates are normally imposed by the NEC (if willing).
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    As long as it's not Oct 19 that's fine by me.

    Also, what's with these end of year markets? What are you supposed to do about xmas presents? Sorry, you'll get them in the new year when betfair pays me? Not very practicable.
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    Also - what's with the Cricket? Do I have to lay the draw everytime to make a profit or something?

    All very disheartening.
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    Man City 1.42
    Tottenham 8.6
    Draw 5.4

    I'm definitely avoiding this one.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,081
    Dura_Ace said:

    Own property, or bringing up a family, in Cornwall or Devon? Welcome to your new neighbour: the shadow of nuclear apocalypse. (Note how the article euphemistically calls it “a munitions facility”. Ho ho.)

    “... the most feasible plan would be to relocate the assets to England.

    Professor Chalmers suggested HMNB Devonport, which already hosts Royal Navy submarines, could provide a base for the nuclear submarines themselves, while land on the Fal estuary to the North of Falmouth, which offers a comparatively isolated location, could be developed as a munitions facility.

    Prof Chalmers admitted there could be significant local resistance to such proposals, especially in Falmouth, which is a popular tourist destination, adding: “It would require the uk to make the case for the nuclear deterrent all over again.””

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166745/trident-scotland-nuclear-weapons-scottish-independence-snp-hmnb-clyde-faslane-falmouth/amp

    There are already 13 defunct nuclear subs that nobody knows what the fuck to do with rottimg away at Guzz. Bringing the boomers there from the Republic of Salmondia isn't going to make much difference.
    There are also 7 rusting away at Rosyth, the oldest for 40 years. Amusingly Wiki says that they're there being dismantled which is precisely what isn't happening. Presumably they're in too unsafe a state to ever be moved?
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    Dura_Ace said:

    Own property, or bringing up a family, in Cornwall or Devon? Welcome to your new neighbour: the shadow of nuclear apocalypse. (Note how the article euphemistically calls it “a munitions facility”. Ho ho.)

    “... the most feasible plan would be to relocate the assets to England.

    Professor Chalmers suggested HMNB Devonport, which already hosts Royal Navy submarines, could provide a base for the nuclear submarines themselves, while land on the Fal estuary to the North of Falmouth, which offers a comparatively isolated location, could be developed as a munitions facility.

    Prof Chalmers admitted there could be significant local resistance to such proposals, especially in Falmouth, which is a popular tourist destination, adding: “It would require the uk to make the case for the nuclear deterrent all over again.””

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166745/trident-scotland-nuclear-weapons-scottish-independence-snp-hmnb-clyde-faslane-falmouth/amp

    There are already 13 defunct nuclear subs that nobody knows what the fuck to do with rottimg away at Guzz. Bringing the boomers there from the Republic of Salmondia isn't going to make much difference.
    There are also 7 rusting away at Rosyth, the oldest for 40 years. Amusingly Wiki says that they're there being dismantled which is precisely what isn't happening. Presumably they're in too unsafe a state to ever be moved?
    Bairns not Bombs, eh Divvie
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,081

    Dura_Ace said:

    Own property, or bringing up a family, in Cornwall or Devon? Welcome to your new neighbour: the shadow of nuclear apocalypse. (Note how the article euphemistically calls it “a munitions facility”. Ho ho.)

    “... the most feasible plan would be to relocate the assets to England.

    Professor Chalmers suggested HMNB Devonport, which already hosts Royal Navy submarines, could provide a base for the nuclear submarines themselves, while land on the Fal estuary to the North of Falmouth, which offers a comparatively isolated location, could be developed as a munitions facility.

    Prof Chalmers admitted there could be significant local resistance to such proposals, especially in Falmouth, which is a popular tourist destination, adding: “It would require the uk to make the case for the nuclear deterrent all over again.””

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166745/trident-scotland-nuclear-weapons-scottish-independence-snp-hmnb-clyde-faslane-falmouth/amp

    There are already 13 defunct nuclear subs that nobody knows what the fuck to do with rottimg away at Guzz. Bringing the boomers there from the Republic of Salmondia isn't going to make much difference.
    There are also 7 rusting away at Rosyth, the oldest for 40 years. Amusingly Wiki says that they're there being dismantled which is precisely what isn't happening. Presumably they're in too unsafe a state to ever be moved?
    Bairns not Bombs, eh Divvie
    Bams and bombs, our cup runneth over.
    Were you with your people today?

    https://twitter.com/meljomur/status/1162717909401182209?s=20
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    JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    edited August 2019

    Dura_Ace said:

    Own property, or bringing up a family, in Cornwall or Devon? Welcome to your new neighbour: the shadow of nuclear apocalypse. (Note how the article euphemistically calls it “a munitions facility”. Ho ho.)

    “... the most feasible plan would be to relocate the assets to England.

    Professor Chalmers suggested HMNB Devonport, which already hosts Royal Navy submarines, could provide a base for the nuclear submarines themselves, while land on the Fal estuary to the North of Falmouth, which offers a comparatively isolated location, could be developed as a munitions facility.

    Prof Chalmers admitted there could be significant local resistance to such proposals, especially in Falmouth, which is a popular tourist destination, adding: “It would require the uk to make the case for the nuclear deterrent all over again.””

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166745/trident-scotland-nuclear-weapons-scottish-independence-snp-hmnb-clyde-faslane-falmouth/amp

    There are already 13 defunct nuclear subs that nobody knows what the fuck to do with rottimg away at Guzz. Bringing the boomers there from the Republic of Salmondia isn't going to make much difference.
    There are also 7 rusting away at Rosyth, the oldest for 40 years. Amusingly Wiki says that they're there being dismantled which is precisely what isn't happening. Presumably they're in too unsafe a state to ever be moved?
    Bairns not Bombs, eh Divvie
    Bams and bombs, our cup runneth over.
    Were you with your people today?

    https://twitter.com/meljomur/status/1162717909401182209?s=20

    Deleted - he edited in a reference.
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    Dura_Ace said:

    Own property, or bringing up a family, in Cornwall or Devon? Welcome to your new neighbour: the shadow of nuclear apocalypse. (Note how the article euphemistically calls it “a munitions facility”. Ho ho.)

    “... the most feasible plan would be to relocate the assets to England.

    Professor Chalmers suggested HMNB Devonport, which already hosts Royal Navy submarines, could provide a base for the nuclear submarines themselves, while land on the Fal estuary to the North of Falmouth, which offers a comparatively isolated location, could be developed as a munitions facility.

    Prof Chalmers admitted there could be significant local resistance to such proposals, especially in Falmouth, which is a popular tourist destination, adding: “It would require the uk to make the case for the nuclear deterrent all over again.””

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166745/trident-scotland-nuclear-weapons-scottish-independence-snp-hmnb-clyde-faslane-falmouth/amp

    There are already 13 defunct nuclear subs that nobody knows what the fuck to do with rottimg away at Guzz. Bringing the boomers there from the Republic of Salmondia isn't going to make much difference.
    There are also 7 rusting away at Rosyth, the oldest for 40 years. Amusingly Wiki says that they're there being dismantled which is precisely what isn't happening. Presumably they're in too unsafe a state to ever be moved?
    Bairns not Bombs, eh Divvie
    Bams and bombs, our cup runneth over.
    Were you with your people today?

    https://twitter.com/meljomur/status/1162717909401182209?s=20
    My people? - I don't get the reference.
    Your status link makes it look like a unionist march - but when you look closer it was actually an indy march.

    So, no.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,081

    Dura_Ace said:

    Own property, or bringing up a family, in Cornwall or Devon? Welcome to your new neighbour: the shadow of nuclear apocalypse. (Note how the article euphemistically calls it “a munitions facility”. Ho ho.)

    “... the most feasible plan would be to relocate the assets to England.

    Professor Chalmers suggested HMNB Devonport, which already hosts Royal Navy submarines, could provide a base for the nuclear submarines themselves, while land on the Fal estuary to the North of Falmouth, which offers a comparatively isolated location, could be developed as a munitions facility.

    Prof Chalmers admitted there could be significant local resistance to such proposals, especially in Falmouth, which is a popular tourist destination, adding: “It would require the uk to make the case for the nuclear deterrent all over again.””

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166745/trident-scotland-nuclear-weapons-scottish-independence-snp-hmnb-clyde-faslane-falmouth/amp

    There are already 13 defunct nuclear subs that nobody knows what the fuck to do with rottimg away at Guzz. Bringing the boomers there from the Republic of Salmondia isn't going to make much difference.
    There are also 7 rusting away at Rosyth, the oldest for 40 years. Amusingly Wiki says that they're there being dismantled which is precisely what isn't happening. Presumably they're in too unsafe a state to ever be moved?
    Bairns not Bombs, eh Divvie
    Bams and bombs, our cup runneth over.
    Were you with your people today?

    https://twitter.com/meljomur/status/1162717909401182209?s=20
    My people? - I don't get the reference.
    Unionists.
    Defenders of the Union.
    ProudScotsbuts.
    Patriotsnotnationalists.

    Though the lead singer being a Holocaust denier would give anyone pause before appearing beside him.
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    Dura_Ace said:

    Own property, or bringing up a family, in Cornwall or Devon? Welcome to your new neighbour: the shadow of nuclear apocalypse. (Note how the article euphemistically calls it “a munitions facility”. Ho ho.)

    “... the most feasible plan would be to relocate the assets to England.

    Professor Chalmers suggested HMNB Devonport, which already hosts Royal Navy submarines, could provide a base for the nuclear submarines themselves, while land on the Fal estuary to the North of Falmouth, which offers a comparatively isolated location, could be developed as a munitions facility.

    Prof Chalmers admitted there could be significant local resistance to such proposals, especially in Falmouth, which is a popular tourist destination, adding: “It would require the uk to make the case for the nuclear deterrent all over again.””

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166745/trident-scotland-nuclear-weapons-scottish-independence-snp-hmnb-clyde-faslane-falmouth/amp

    There are already 13 defunct nuclear subs that nobody knows what the fuck to do with rottimg away at Guzz. Bringing the boomers there from the Republic of Salmondia isn't going to make much difference.
    There are also 7 rusting away at Rosyth, the oldest for 40 years. Amusingly Wiki says that they're there being dismantled which is precisely what isn't happening. Presumably they're in too unsafe a state to ever be moved?
    Bairns not Bombs, eh Divvie
    Bams and bombs, our cup runneth over.
    Were you with your people today?

    https://twitter.com/meljomur/status/1162717909401182209?s=20
    My people? - I don't get the reference.
    Unionists.
    Defenders of the Union.
    ProudScotsbuts.
    Patriotsnotnationalists.

    Though the lead singer being a Holocaust denier would give anyone pause before appearing beside him.
    And what's your excuse for not being with Your People,

    Y'know, the laughably named "Civic Nationalists"
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    edited August 2019
    On topic. This thread argues there is a way that sounds like it would guarantee a 2019 GE:

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1162700438069813248

    https://twitter.com/sundersays/status/1162715960543010816
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,280
    England effectively 8-1 at the start of their innings. Could be worse.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,983
    DavidL said:

    England effectively 8-1 at the start of their innings. Could be worse.

    What have I missed? Who is off injured?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,280

    DavidL said:

    England effectively 8-1 at the start of their innings. Could be worse.

    What have I missed? Who is off injured?
    Jason Roy. Not injured. Just useless for test cricket.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115
    Can we just agree it is a T50 match now?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,280

    Can we just agree it is a T50 match now?

    40 overs left tonight subject to over rate. Results still possible in this match.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,081

    Dura_Ace said:

    Own property, or bringing up a family, in Cornwall or Devon? Welcome to your new neighbour: the shadow of nuclear apocalypse. (Note how the article euphemistically calls it “a munitions facility”. Ho ho.)

    “... the most feasible plan would be to relocate the assets to England.

    Professor Chalmers suggested HMNB Devonport, which already hosts Royal Navy submarines, could provide a base for the nuclear submarines themselves, while land on the Fal estuary to the North of Falmouth, which offers a comparatively isolated location, could be developed as a munitions facility.

    Prof Chalmers admitted there could be significant local resistance to such proposals, especially in Falmouth, which is a popular tourist destination, adding: “It would require the uk to make the case for the nuclear deterrent all over again.””

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166745/trident-scotland-nuclear-weapons-scottish-independence-snp-hmnb-clyde-faslane-falmouth/amp

    There are already 13 defunct nuclear subs that nobody knows what the fuck to do with rottimg away at Guzz. Bringing the boomers there from the Republic of Salmondia isn't going to make much difference.
    There are also 7 rusting away at Rosyth, the oldest for 40 years. Amusingly Wiki says that they're there being dismantled which is precisely what isn't happening. Presumably they're in too unsafe a state to ever be moved?
    Bairns not Bombs, eh Divvie
    Bams and bombs, our cup runneth over.
    Were you with your people today?

    https://twitter.com/meljomur/status/1162717909401182209?s=20
    My people? - I don't get the reference.
    Unionists.
    Defenders of the Union.
    ProudScotsbuts.
    Patriotsnotnationalists.

    Though the lead singer being a Holocaust denier would give anyone pause before appearing beside him.
    And what's your excuse for not being with Your People,

    Y'know, the laughably named "Civic Nationalists"
    I don't live in Aberdeen, you do.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,983
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    England effectively 8-1 at the start of their innings. Could be worse.

    What have I missed? Who is off injured?
    Jason Roy. Not injured. Just useless for test cricket.
    Well, if Mr MM's judgement is right the situation's made for Roy! Anyway, he's only played a couple of Tests.
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    Dura_Ace said:

    Own property, or bringing up a family, in Cornwall or Devon? Welcome to your new neighbour: the shadow of nuclear apocalypse. (Note how the article euphemistically calls it “a munitions facility”. Ho ho.)

    “... the most feasible plan would be to relocate the assets to England.

    Professor Chalmers suggested HMNB Devonport, which already hosts Royal Navy submarines, could provide a base for the nuclear submarines themselves, while land on the Fal estuary to the North of Falmouth, which offers a comparatively isolated location, could be developed as a munitions facility.

    Prof Chalmers admitted there could be significant local resistance to such proposals, especially in Falmouth, which is a popular tourist destination, adding: “It would require the uk to make the case for the nuclear deterrent all over again.””

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166745/trident-scotland-nuclear-weapons-scottish-independence-snp-hmnb-clyde-faslane-falmouth/amp

    There are already 13 defunct nuclear subs that nobody knows what the fuck to do with rottimg away at Guzz. Bringing the boomers there from the Republic of Salmondia isn't going to make much difference.
    There are also 7 rusting away at Rosyth, the oldest for 40 years. Amusingly Wiki says that they're there being dismantled which is precisely what isn't happening. Presumably they're in too unsafe a state to ever be moved?
    Bairns not Bombs, eh Divvie
    Bams and bombs, our cup runneth over.
    Were you with your people today?

    https://twitter.com/meljomur/status/1162717909401182209?s=20
    My people? - I don't get the reference.
    Unionists.
    Defenders of the Union.
    ProudScotsbuts.
    Patriotsnotnationalists.

    Though the lead singer being a Holocaust denier would give anyone pause before appearing beside him.
    And what's your excuse for not being with Your People,

    Y'know, the laughably named "Civic Nationalists"
    I don't live in Aberdeen, you do.
    Indeed - So Why The Fuck Would I Attend An Indy March????

    True Scots, unionists, whatever you want to call us ; don't need marches.
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    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    England effectively 8-1 at the start of their innings. Could be worse.

    What have I missed? Who is off injured?
    Jason Roy. Not injured. Just useless for test cricket.
    Well, if Mr MM's judgement is right the situation's made for Roy! Anyway, he's only played a couple of Tests.
    Yes, the situation is made for him. Win or lose, I hope he gets another try. Don't feel the same about Bairstow or Buttler though, and they have to give up the Root at Three experiment.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,983
    edited August 2019

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    England effectively 8-1 at the start of their innings. Could be worse.

    What have I missed? Who is off injured?
    Jason Roy. Not injured. Just useless for test cricket.
    Well, if Mr MM's judgement is right the situation's made for Roy! Anyway, he's only played a couple of Tests.
    Yes, the situation is made for him. Win or lose, I hope he gets another try. Don't feel the same about Bairstow or Buttler though, and they have to give up the Root at Three experiment.
    Agree, Buttler doesn't seem at the top of his game at the moment. Who else would you have keeping wicket, if not Bairstow? I'm not a Foakes fan.
    And yes, Root's better at 4.
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    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    England effectively 8-1 at the start of their innings. Could be worse.

    What have I missed? Who is off injured?
    Jason Roy. Not injured. Just useless for test cricket.
    Well, if Mr MM's judgement is right the situation's made for Roy! Anyway, he's only played a couple of Tests.
    Yes, the situation is made for him. Win or lose, I hope he gets another try. Don't feel the same about Bairstow or Buttler though, and they have to give up the Root at Three experiment.
    Agree, Buttler doesn't seem at the top of his game at the moment. Who else would you have keeping wicket, if not Bairstow? I'm not a Foakes fan.
    And yes, Root's better at 4.
    It's not easy to compare keepers but I used to be one at a decent amateur level and to my eye Foakes is visibly a better keeper. Match by match it may not make much difference but over a series it does. He's also a decent batsman, and unlike B&B, he's in form.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    Warren Chips Away at Biden's Strength as The One Who Beats Trump

    "Sanders and Warren offer contrasting visions for how to defeat Trump — one that hinges on mobilizing some of the 100 million disenchanted voters who sat out the 2016 election. Biden is trying to win back middle-of-the-road voters who flipped from Barack Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016."

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-17/warren-chips-away-at-biden-s-strength-as-the-one-who-beats-trump?srnd=politics-vp
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    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    England effectively 8-1 at the start of their innings. Could be worse.

    What have I missed? Who is off injured?
    Jason Roy. Not injured. Just useless for test cricket.
    Well, if Mr MM's judgement is right the situation's made for Roy! Anyway, he's only played a couple of Tests.
    Yes, the situation is made for him. Win or lose, I hope he gets another try. Don't feel the same about Bairstow or Buttler though, and they have to give up the Root at Three experiment.
    Agree, Buttler doesn't seem at the top of his game at the moment. Who else would you have keeping wicket, if not Bairstow? I'm not a Foakes fan.
    And yes, Root's better at 4.
    It's insane. Root is one of the best 4s in the world. England have a problem at 3. You don't solve it by moving your 4 to 3. If they think Denly is really Test class (I don't but there's nobody obviously better), play him at 3, don't disturb your batting order.

    How difficult is that?
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,983

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    England effectively 8-1 at the start of their innings. Could be worse.

    What have I missed? Who is off injured?
    Jason Roy. Not injured. Just useless for test cricket.
    Well, if Mr MM's judgement is right the situation's made for Roy! Anyway, he's only played a couple of Tests.
    Yes, the situation is made for him. Win or lose, I hope he gets another try. Don't feel the same about Bairstow or Buttler though, and they have to give up the Root at Three experiment.
    Agree, Buttler doesn't seem at the top of his game at the moment. Who else would you have keeping wicket, if not Bairstow? I'm not a Foakes fan.
    And yes, Root's better at 4.
    It's not easy to compare keepers but I used to be one at a decent amateur level and to my eye Foakes is visibly a better keeper. Match by match it may not make much difference but over a series it does. He's also a decent batsman, and unlike B&B, he's in form.
    Appreciate the educated opinion. Foakes had a good mentor of course; Foster. Foakes was told to move from Essex by the ECB.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,983
    We've put the mockus on Roy; he's out.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Cheering football scores today, I’d say.

    I’m laying Ken Clarke for next PM assiduously. I managed to lay some at 13 this afternoon. Ridiculous.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,280
    Oh lord.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,983
    And Root's gone too. What was that about him not being a No 3? Cummins is on a hat-trick!
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    NYT:

    Joseph Kennedy III Said to Be Eying Edward Markey’s Massachusetts Senate Seat
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    We've put the mockus on Roy; he's out.

    That's fairy enough, and a chance you take with Roy, but now you have Root effectively opening, and......nuff said.
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    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    See also: Tony Blair
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,081

    Dura_Ace said:

    Own property, or bringing up a family, in Cornwall or Devon? Welcome to your new neighbour: the shadow of nuclear apocalypse. (Note how the article euphemistically calls it “a munitions facility”. Ho ho.)

    “... the most feasible plan would be to relocate the assets to England.

    Professor Chalmers suggested HMNB Devonport, which already hosts Royal Navy submarines, could provide a base for the nuclear submarines themselves, while land on the Fal estuary to the North of Falmouth, which offers a comparatively isolated location, could be developed as a munitions facility.

    Prof Chalmers admitted there could be significant local resistance to such proposals, especially in Falmouth, which is a popular tourist destination, adding: “It would require the uk to make the case for the nuclear deterrent all over again.””

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166745/trident-scotland-nuclear-weapons-scottish-independence-snp-hmnb-clyde-faslane-falmouth/amp

    There are already 13 defunct nuclear subs that nobody knows what the fuck to do with rottimg away at Guzz. Bringing the boomers there from the Republic of Salmondia isn't going to make much difference.
    There are also 7 rusting away at Rosyth, the oldest for 40 years. Amusingly Wiki says that they're there being dismantled which is precisely what isn't happening. Presumably they're in too unsafe a state to ever be moved?
    Bairns not Bombs, eh Divvie
    Bams and bombs, our cup runneth over.
    Were you with your people today?

    https://twitter.com/meljomur/status/1162717909401182209?s=20
    My people? - I don't get the reference.
    Unionists.
    Defenders of the Union.
    ProudScotsbuts.
    Patriotsnotnationalists.

    Though the lead singer being a Holocaust denier would give anyone pause before appearing beside him.
    And what's your excuse for not being with Your People,

    Y'know, the laughably named "Civic Nationalists"
    I don't live in Aberdeen, you do.
    Indeed - So Why The Fuck Would I Attend An Indy March????

    True Scots, unionists, whatever you want to call us ; don't need marches.
    You're UJ radar is obviously on the blink, there's even the aforementioned Holocaust denier in his manky UJ shirt. These true Scots seem to need marches as they're always hingin' on to indy ones.
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    Dura_Ace said:

    Own property, or bringing up a family, in Cornwall or Devon? Welcome to your new neighbour: the shadow of nuclear apocalypse. (Note how the article euphemistically calls it “a munitions facility”. Ho ho.)

    “... the most feasible plan would be to relocate the assets to England.


    Prof Chalmers admitted there could be significant local resistance to such proposals, especially in Falmouth, which is a popular tourist destination, adding: “It would require the uk to make the case for the nuclear deterrent all over again.””

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166745/trident-scotland-nuclear-weapons-scottish-independence-snp-hmnb-clyde-faslane-falmouth/amp

    There are already 13 defunct nuclear subs that nobody knows what the fuck to do with rottimg away at Guzz. Bringing the boomers there from the Republic of Salmondia isn't going to make much difference.
    There are also 7 rusting away at Rosyth, the oldest for 40 years. Amusingly Wiki says that they're there being dismantled which is precisely what isn't happening. Presumably they're in too unsafe a state to ever be moved?
    Bairns not Bombs, eh Divvie
    Bams and bombs, our cup runneth over.
    Were you with your people today?

    https://twitter.com/meljomur/status/1162717909401182209?s=20
    My people? - I don't get the reference.
    Unionists.
    Defenders of the Union.
    ProudScotsbuts.
    Patriotsnotnationalists.

    Though the lead singer being a Holocaust denier would give anyone pause before appearing beside him.
    And what's your excuse for not being with Your People,

    Y'know, the laughably named "Civic Nationalists"
    I don't live in Aberdeen, you do.
    Indeed - So Why The Fuck Would I Attend An Indy March????

    True Scots, unionists, whatever you want to call us ; don't need marches.
    You're UJ radar is obviously on the blink, there's even the aforementioned Holocaust denier in his manky UJ shirt. These true Scots seem to need marches as they're always hingin' on to indy ones.
    Yes I saw your obvious spin on what was an INDY MARCH.

    So they got a few counter-protesters. Good for the counter-protesters I say. I'll be happy when rubber bullets are getting fired on the Yessers.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,081
    Lol, President-for-Life Midas and his unerring reverse touch.

    https://twitter.com/bellacaledonia/status/1162754009196847108?s=20
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    "The woke are coming for Sleepy Joe. But if non-white voters stick with him through his old-man bumbling, it’s hard to see him losing the nomination. Perhaps African American voters can save the Democratic Party from itself."

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/08/16/hey_dems_--_if_you_tank_biden_who_else_wins_the_middle_141024.html
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231
    England are more buggered than a reluctant Turkish conscript.

    I wonder what the odds are on Rory Burns as the next England captain?
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,983

    We've put the mockus on Roy; he's out.

    That's fairy enough, and a chance you take with Roy, but now you have Root effectively opening, and......nuff said.
    Indeed. Denly used to open for Kent at one stage, IIRC. Not that I'm particularly impressed with him. It's a shame Hildreth never fulfilled his potential.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    Brings home the world of politics before electronic communication:

    https://twitter.com/Live1819/status/1162718218609451008
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995

    NYT:

    Joseph Kennedy III Said to Be Eying Edward Markey’s Massachusetts Senate Seat

    And the presidency in 2024 if Trump is re elected
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    We've put the mockus on Roy; he's out.

    That's fairy enough, and a chance you take with Roy, but now you have Root effectively opening, and......nuff said.
    Indeed. Denly used to open for Kent at one stage, IIRC. Not that I'm particularly impressed with him. It's a shame Hildreth never fulfilled his potential.
    When you look at some of players they've tried, persistently sometimes, it is incredible that Hildreth has never been capped.

    A couple of seasons ago I would have suggested Browne and Lawrence from Essex (an opener and a three or four) but they were passed over and it seems their chance has gone.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    On topic, I’m also laying a 2019 election. I think one only comes about by accident.

    2020 I’m much less confident about.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,983

    We've put the mockus on Roy; he's out.

    That's fairy enough, and a chance you take with Roy, but now you have Root effectively opening, and......nuff said.
    Indeed. Denly used to open for Kent at one stage, IIRC. Not that I'm particularly impressed with him. It's a shame Hildreth never fulfilled his potential.
    When you look at some of players they've tried, persistently sometimes, it is incredible that Hildreth has never been capped.

    A couple of seasons ago I would have suggested Browne and Lawrence from Essex (an opener and a three or four) but they were passed over and it seems their chance has gone.
    I'm an Essex member, and agree about Browne. I never thought he was a likely choice. Lawrence had a poor season last year, and it's not been that much better this, but he still could be one to watch.
    It's the playing of silly beggars with the timetable; red ball cricket in April, July and September, 50 over in June and July and t20 in July and August that wrecks young players.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231

    On topic, I’m also laying a 2019 election. I think one only comes about by accident.

    2020 I’m much less confident about.

    That would give some fabulous opportunities for betting. Elections for Wales and Scotland as well, unless the general election happens soon enough for them to be postponed.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190

    We've put the mockus on Roy; he's out.

    That's fairy enough, and a chance you take with Roy, but now you have Root effectively opening, and......nuff said.
    Indeed. Denly used to open for Kent at one stage, IIRC. Not that I'm particularly impressed with him. It's a shame Hildreth never fulfilled his potential.
    When you look at some of players they've tried, persistently sometimes, it is incredible that Hildreth has never been capped.

    A couple of seasons ago I would have suggested Browne and Lawrence from Essex (an opener and a three or four) but they were passed over and it seems their chance has gone.
    I'm an Essex member, and agree about Browne. I never thought he was a likely choice. Lawrence had a poor season last year, and it's not been that much better this, but he still could be one to watch.
    It's the playing of silly beggars with the timetable; red ball cricket in April, July and September, 50 over in June and July and t20 in July and August that wrecks young players.
    BiB - It's not rocket science, is it? Surely if the ECB get all the Sky money, they don't need to mess around with the calendar in a way that is not conducive to producing good test batsmen?
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,106
    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    HYUFD said:

    NYT:

    Joseph Kennedy III Said to Be Eying Edward Markey’s Massachusetts Senate Seat

    And the presidency in 2024 if Trump is re elected
    Only if there is actually a republic left to lead after four more years of Trump.
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    Its a good job England bat deep......
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    Iv backed England on the basis we're nowhere near good enough to play out a draw here. 180 might be a bloody hard chase here.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Iv backed England on the basis we're nowhere near good enough to play out a draw here. 180 might be a bloody hard chase here.

    Steve Smith will get 180 on his own.
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    RattersRatters Posts: 778
    I think the shift in the media conversation over the past week towards the ways no deal Brexit can be stopped is undoubtedly a good thing. Assuming Johnson doesn't fold, the obvious options remain 1) a Corbyn caretaker government, 2) a government of national unity by a respected MP, and 3) taking control of the order papers to pass legislation.

    In relation to the first two, there was clearly never going to be immediate agreement on who should lead the temporary government, or even on the breadth of its goals. But the public conversation with each relevant party (Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Change UK and Conservative rebels) setting out their starting positions was a necessary first step - and it's better that it's occurred during the August recess, rather than when the clock is ticking after the VONC.

    The good news is that Corbyn, Swinson and Sturgeon seem to be in agreement that the caretaker government should be temporary; to extend Article 50 and have an election, rather than having longer-term aims such as getting a new deal or having a second referendum. That seems sensible: the wider the scope of the interim government, the more MPs its goals will object to some part of it.

    What has to happen next is the opening of dialogue between all MPs opposed to no deal Brexit to find a way forward. Both Corbyn and Swinson were correct in their initial challenges: Corbyn that he is bringing the vast majority of MPs needed for the vote; Swinson that there are a meaningful number of opponents to no deal that will not allow Corbyn to be PM (even if he had her support).

    Perhaps the best approach is for neither side to get their first choice; to choose someone who is neither Corbyn nor a respected backbencher. Would a less divisive pro-Corbyn figure (Thornberry? Starmer? Long-Bailey?) be acceptable to both sides? Corbyn gets the benefit of having a PM that will openly say they want to be replaced by him after the election; the Lib Dems and Conservatives can at least say they didn't facilitate Corbyn as PM.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,983
    edited August 2019
    tlg86 said:

    We've put the mockus on Roy; he's out.

    That's fairy enough, and a chance you take with Roy, but now you have Root effectively opening, and......nuff said.
    Indeed. Denly used to open for Kent at one stage, IIRC. Not that I'm particularly impressed with him. It's a shame Hildreth never fulfilled his potential.
    When you look at some of players they've tried, persistently sometimes, it is incredible that Hildreth has never been capped.

    A couple of seasons ago I would have suggested Browne and Lawrence from Essex (an opener and a three or four) but they were passed over and it seems their chance has gone.
    I'm an Essex member, and agree about Browne. I never thought he was a likely choice. Lawrence had a poor season last year, and it's not been that much better this, but he still could be one to watch.
    It's the playing of silly beggars with the timetable; red ball cricket in April, July and September, 50 over in June and July and t20 in July and August that wrecks young players.
    BiB - It's not rocket science, is it? Surely if the ECB get all the Sky money, they don't need to mess around with the calendar in a way that is not conducive to producing good test batsmen?
    You'd think so, wouldn't you! But it's going to worse next year, with The Hundred nonsense.
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    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,932

    Dura_Ace said:

    Own property, or bringing up a family, in Cornwall or Devon? Welcome to your new neighbour: the shadow of nuclear apocalypse. (Note how the article euphemistically calls it “a munitions facility”. Ho ho.)

    “... the most feasible plan would be to relocate the assets to England.

    Professor Chalmers suggested HMNB Devonport, which already hosts Royal Navy submarines, could provide a base for the nuclear submarines themselves, while land on the Fal estuary to the North of Falmouth, which offers a comparatively isolated location, could be developed as a munitions facility.

    Prof Chalmers admitted there could be significant local resistance to such proposals, especially in Falmouth, which is a popular tourist destination, adding: “It would require the uk to make the case for the nuclear deterrent all over again.””

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166745/trident-scotland-nuclear-weapons-scottish-independence-snp-hmnb-clyde-faslane-falmouth/amp

    There are already 13 defunct nuclear subs that nobody knows what the fuck to do with rottimg away at Guzz. Bringing the boomers there from the Republic of Salmondia isn't going to make much difference.
    There are also 7 rusting away at Rosyth, the oldest for 40 years. Amusingly Wiki says that they're there being dismantled which is precisely what isn't happening. Presumably they're in too unsafe a state to ever be moved?
    Bairns not Bombs, eh Divvie
    Bams and bombs, our cup runneth over.
    Were you with your people today?

    https://twitter.com/meljomur/status/1162717909401182209?s=20
    My people? - I don't get the reference.
    Unionists.
    Defenders of the Union.
    ProudScotsbuts.
    Patriotsnotnationalists.

    Though the lead singer being a Holocaust denier would give anyone pause before appearing beside him.
    And what's your excuse for not being with Your People,

    Y'know, the laughably named "Civic Nationalists"
    I don't live in Aberdeen, you do.
    Indeed - So Why The Fuck Would I Attend An Indy March????

    True Scots, unionists, whatever you want to call us ; don't need marches.
    Briskin the words you are struggling for is "Truly spineless fannies"
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965
    Warner turning into England's surprise secret weapon.
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    dixiedean said:

    Warner turning into England's surprise secret weapon.

    Roy and Denly really aren't good enough for test cricket.
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    malcolmg said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Own property, or bringing up a family, in Cornwall or Devon? Welcome to your new neighbour: the shadow of nuclear apocalypse. (Note how the article euphemistically calls it “a munitions facility”. Ho ho.)

    “... the most feasible plan would be to relocate the assets to England.

    Professor Chalmers suggested HMNB Devonport, which already hosts Royal Navy submarines, could provide a base for the nuclear submarines themselves, while land on the Fal estuary to the North of Falmouth, which offers a comparatively isolated location, could be developed as a munitions facility.

    Prof Chalmers admitted there could be significant local resistance to such proposals, especially in Falmouth, which is a popular tourist destination, adding: “It would require the uk to make the case for the nuclear deterrent all over again.””

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1166745/trident-scotland-nuclear-weapons-scottish-independence-snp-hmnb-clyde-faslane-falmouth/amp

    There are already 13 defunct nuclear subs that nobody knows what the fuck to do with rottimg away at Guzz. Bringing the boomers there from the Republic of Salmondia isn't going to make much difference.
    There are also 7 rusting away at Rosyth, the oldest for 40 years. Amusingly Wiki says that they're there being dismantled which is precisely what isn't happening. Presumably they're in too unsafe a state to ever be moved?
    Bairns not Bombs, eh Divvie
    Bams and bombs, our cup runneth over.
    Were you with your people today?

    https://twitter.com/meljomur/status/1162717909401182209?s=20
    My people? - I don't get the reference.
    Unionists.
    Defenders of the Union.
    ProudScotsbuts.
    Patriotsnotnationalists.

    Though the lead singer being a Holocaust denier would give anyone pause before appearing beside him.
    And what's your excuse for not being with Your People,

    Y'know, the laughably named "Civic Nationalists"
    I don't live in Aberdeen, you do.
    Indeed - So Why The Fuck Would I Attend An Indy March????

    True Scots, unionists, whatever you want to call us ; don't need marches.
    Briskin the words you are struggling for is "Truly spineless fannies"
    I like Yoon. I'm reclaiming it like Tarantino reclaimed nigger.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,314
    edited August 2019

    We've put the mockus on Roy; he's out.

    That's fairy enough, and a chance you take with Roy, but now you have Root effectively opening, and......nuff said.
    Indeed. Denly used to open for Kent at one stage, IIRC. Not that I'm particularly impressed with him. It's a shame Hildreth never fulfilled his potential.
    When you look at some of players they've tried, persistently sometimes, it is incredible that Hildreth has never been capped.

    A couple of seasons ago I would have suggested Browne and Lawrence from Essex (an opener and a three or four) but they were passed over and it seems their chance has gone.
    I'm an Essex member, and agree about Browne. I never thought he was a likely choice. Lawrence had a poor season last year, and it's not been that much better this, but he still could be one to watch.
    It's the playing of silly beggars with the timetable; red ball cricket in April, July and September, 50 over in June and July and t20 in July and August that wrecks young players.
    Few have a lower opinion than me of the England Selection rabble but even I sympathise with the problems created for them by the chaotic, incoherent county programme. How are they supposed to pick new Test players when they hardly see any red ball cricket played before the Tests start?

    Browne was collateral damage in the Keaton Jennings nonsense. They didn't pick KJ when he was in form, then they did when he was out of form in a dysfunctional Durham team. In order to do so, they ignored the much stronger claims of Browne and Stoneman. When it eventually became obvious even to the Selectors that Jennings' nerve had gone they eventually replaced him with Stoneman, but by then we were up against the relatively soporific W Indies attack and he never got a real test against quality international bowling until it was too late. But at least he got a chance. Browne never did, and lost form next season and is now out of the picture.

    Lawrence was a precocious talent and should have been given his Test chance early (like Jennings) but I wouldn't want to see him picked now. He hasn't developed sufficiently.

    If it were just on form, Bopara would have a claim, but of course he's had many previous chances. Then again, so have many others who they do like to give repeated chances to.

    There's no figuring the England Selectors.

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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,106

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,280

    dixiedean said:

    Warner turning into England's surprise secret weapon.

    Roy and Denly really aren't good enough for test cricket.
    Another out decision not reviewed.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them.
    Well, in fairness, I give you Boris Johnson...
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    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231

    Its a good job England bat deep......

    No side in the world, not even the New Zealand side of the late 90s with Vettori at 11, bats deep enough to do a rescue from here.
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    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
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    JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,775
    edited August 2019
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionists don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,932

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
    Is that softened to a disney one Briskin
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    malcolmg said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
    Is that softened to a disney one Briskin
    Nope. English people can tell I'm Scottish. Scottish people often ask. Make of that what you will.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionists don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
    You seem to be the self-appointed accent police, that's why. I just wondered which particularly accents fell within the realm of your approval. Scots are OK as is RP. Any others, or is that it?
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,418
    Ratters said:

    I think the shift in the media conversation over the past week towards the ways no deal Brexit can be stopped is undoubtedly a good thing. Assuming Johnson doesn't fold, the obvious options remain 1) a Corbyn caretaker government, 2) a government of national unity by a respected MP, and 3) taking control of the order papers to pass legislation.

    In relation to the first two, there was clearly never going to be immediate agreement on who should lead the temporary government, or even on the breadth of its goals. But the public conversation with each relevant party (Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Change UK and Conservative rebels) setting out their starting positions was a necessary first step - and it's better that it's occurred during the August recess, rather than when the clock is ticking after the VONC.

    The good news is that Corbyn, Swinson and Sturgeon seem to be in agreement that the caretaker government should be temporary; to extend Article 50 and have an election, rather than having longer-term aims such as getting a new deal or having a second referendum. That seems sensible: the wider the scope of the interim government, the more MPs its goals will object to some part of it.

    What has to happen next is the opening of dialogue between all MPs opposed to no deal Brexit to find a way forward. Both Corbyn and Swinson were correct in their initial challenges: Corbyn that he is bringing the vast majority of MPs needed for the vote; Swinson that there are a meaningful number of opponents to no deal that will not allow Corbyn to be PM (even if he had her support).

    Perhaps the best approach is for neither side to get their first choice; to choose someone who is neither Corbyn nor a respected backbencher. Would a less divisive pro-Corbyn figure (Thornberry? Starmer? Long-Bailey?) be acceptable to both sides? Corbyn gets the benefit of having a PM that will openly say they want to be replaced by him after the election; the Lib Dems and Conservatives can at least say they didn't facilitate Corbyn as PM.

    It's a brilliant thing. It's revealing parliamentary remainers as so utterly desperate to stop the referendum result being honoured they'd coronate Fred West. It's making them look chaotic, disordered and untrustworthy too, but in a post-TIG world that will be a surprise to nobody.
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    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionists don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
    You seem to be the self-appointed accent police, that's why. I just wondered which particularly accents fell within the realm of your approval. Scots are OK as is RP. Any others, or is that it?
    I'm not the accent police. I'm just saying that Labour MPs have a habit of having contrived accents.

    If no-body else has noticed this phenomenon I withdraw.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,932

    malcolmg said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
    Is that softened to a disney one Briskin
    Nope. English people can tell I'm Scottish. Scottish people often ask. Make of that what you will.
    A couple of months living in England will make you lose your accent right enough
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    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
    Is that softened to a disney one Briskin
    Nope. English people can tell I'm Scottish. Scottish people often ask. Make of that what you will.
    A couple of months living in England will make you lose your accent right enough
    Not if you're a weegie.

    But I'm not and I did live in England for over 5 years so my accent softened. Ms Brisk went to private school in Aberdeen so also has a somewhat softened accent so we make the perfect couple :)
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    She doesn't sound working class. She sounds affected.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionists don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
    You seem to be the self-appointed accent police, that's why. I just wondered which particularly accents fell within the realm of your approval. Scots are OK as is RP. Any others, or is that it?
    I'm not the accent police. I'm just saying that Labour MPs have a habit of having contrived accents.

    If no-body else has noticed this phenomenon I withdraw.
    You want a contrived accent. Go for JRM. Then listen to his sister. You can't get more contrived than him.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,932

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
    Is that softened to a disney one Briskin
    Nope. English people can tell I'm Scottish. Scottish people often ask. Make of that what you will.
    A couple of months living in England will make you lose your accent right enough
    Not if you're a weegie.

    But I'm not and I did live in England for over 5 years so my accent softened. Ms Brisk went to private school in Aberdeen so also has a somewhat softened accent so we make the perfect couple :)
    Briskin, I lived years in England, years in USA and lots of time in other European countries, I did not lose my accent.
    You have to want to lose it, sheena Eastonesque
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionists don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
    You seem to be the self-appointed accent police, that's why. I just wondered which particularly accents fell within the realm of your approval. Scots are OK as is RP. Any others, or is that it?
    I'm not the accent police. I'm just saying that Labour MPs have a habit of having contrived accents.

    If no-body else has noticed this phenomenon I withdraw.
    Labour MPs have accents from their home regions. Unlike Tory MPs, who talk in a condescending, sneering manner, that they've learnt at their posho schools (along with other things prevalent in single-gender environments).
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,418

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionists don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
    You seem to be the self-appointed accent police, that's why. I just wondered which particularly accents fell within the realm of your approval. Scots are OK as is RP. Any others, or is that it?
    I'm not the accent police. I'm just saying that Labour MPs have a habit of having contrived accents.

    If no-body else has noticed this phenomenon I withdraw.
    It was particularly irritating in TBlair's case. He has an RP accent (with some unusual inflections) but used a very affected sounding sprinkling of glottal stops. It sounded like (and I don't have any reason to believe it wasn't) an attempt to appear more 'of the people' than he was.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,060

    malcolmg said:

    Indeed - So Why The Fuck Would I Attend An Indy March????

    True Scots, unionists, whatever you want to call us ; don't need marches.

    Briskin the words you are struggling for is "Truly spineless fannies"
    I like Yoon. I'm reclaiming it like Tarantino reclaimed nigger.
    Is your comedic online persona part of a Yoonsploitation art project?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231
    Now I can say it without hexing him:

    I would like to see Denly opening in the next Test. He's practically been doing that anyway, and he and Burns have put on some useful partnerships and soaked away the shine on the new ball. If they did that without England being two down for not many it would be helpful.

    And let's face it, he couldn't do worse than the likes of Jennings or Lyth.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionists don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
    You seem to be the self-appointed accent police, that's why. I just wondered which particularly accents fell within the realm of your approval. Scots are OK as is RP. Any others, or is that it?
    I'm not the accent police. I'm just saying that Labour MPs have a habit of having contrived accents.

    If no-body else has noticed this phenomenon I withdraw.
    Labour MPs have accents from their home regions. Unlike Tory MPs, who talk in a condescending, sneering manner, that they've learnt at their posho schools (along with other things prevalent in single-gender environments).
    Again, we come back to Corbyn being a Tory?!
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,586
    ydoethur said:

    Its a good job England bat deep......

    No side in the world, not even the New Zealand side of the late 90s with Vettori at 11, bats deep enough to do a rescue from here.
    In any case, it’s of little interest how deep you bat if you don’t have a top three.

    Though I wonder if we might have done rather better playing the top four as Burns, Denly, Roy, Root, rather than the current order.
    Couldn’t have been much worse.

    And Stokes should always bat ahead of Buttler (except in the rare and unlikely event we’re well on top).
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,060

    malcolmg said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
    Is that softened to a disney one Briskin
    Nope. English people can tell I'm Scottish. Scottish people often ask. Make of that what you will.
    When Americans live in England, they often sound to other Americans as if they're putting on an affected English accent, even if to the English they sound very American.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,280
    Really soft dismissal for Denly. Poor in any circumstances but in these...
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    Here's a list of England batsman who average over 40 with a minimum of 10 Tests:

    1946-1959 debuts - 9
    1960-1969 debuts - 6
    1970-1979 debuts - 3
    1980-1989 debuts - 1
    1990-1999 debuts - 2
    2000-2009 debuts - 8
    2010-2019 debuts - 1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    If we include batsman who have averaged over 35 in at least 10 Tests:

    1946-1959 debuts - 11
    1960-1969 debuts - 9
    1970-1979 debuts - 5
    1980-1989 debuts - 6
    1990-1999 debuts - 4
    2000-2009 debuts - 8
    2010-2019 debuts - 3

    Perhaps we were a bit spoilt by the batting depth of a decade ago and what we are seeing is a reversion to the normal mediocrity.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231
    Stokes is determined to commit suicide here, isn't he?
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    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
    Is that softened to a disney one Briskin
    Nope. English people can tell I'm Scottish. Scottish people often ask. Make of that what you will.
    A couple of months living in England will make you lose your accent right enough
    Not if you're a weegie.

    But I'm not and I did live in England for over 5 years so my accent softened. Ms Brisk went to private school in Aberdeen so also has a somewhat softened accent so we make the perfect couple :)
    Briskin, I lived years in England, years in USA and lots of time in other European countries, I did not lose my accent.
    You have to want to lose it, sheena Eastonesque
    Yes, I did want to soften it - so that I could be more understood. I believe George Bernard Shaw did the same kind of thing and even wrote a famous play/film about it.

    My accent is what it is. (probably not Scottish enough for your tastes)
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612
    ydoethur said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    If you think that anyone who doesn't speak the usual RP is a "moron" then that says more about you than it does about them. Why don't you try listening to what they are saying and using that to gauge their intelligence?
    I usually go the other way and assume that if you've managed to get on Radio 4 despite sounding working class then I can probably add about 20 points to your IQ, and if you talk with the same old home counties public school accent as everyone else on the radio then you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionists don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
    You seem to be the self-appointed accent police, that's why. I just wondered which particularly accents fell within the realm of your approval. Scots are OK as is RP. Any others, or is that it?
    I'm not the accent police. I'm just saying that Labour MPs have a habit of having contrived accents.

    If no-body else has noticed this phenomenon I withdraw.
    Labour MPs have accents from their home regions. Unlike Tory MPs, who talk in a condescending, sneering manner, that they've learnt at their posho schools (along with other things prevalent in single-gender environments).
    Again, we come back to Corbyn being a Tory?!
    No, just a class traitor.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231

    Here's a list of England batsman who average over 40 with a minimum of 10 Tests:

    1946-1959 debuts - 9
    1960-1969 debuts - 6
    1970-1979 debuts - 3
    1980-1989 debuts - 1
    1990-1999 debuts - 2
    2000-2009 debuts - 8
    2010-2019 debuts - 1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_Test_cricketers

    If we include batsman who have averaged over 35 in at least 10 Tests:

    1946-1959 debuts - 11
    1960-1969 debuts - 9
    1970-1979 debuts - 5
    1980-1989 debuts - 6
    1990-1999 debuts - 4
    2000-2009 debuts - 8
    2010-2019 debuts - 3

    Perhaps we were a bit spoilt by the batting depth of a decade ago and what we are seeing is a reversion to the normal mediocrity.

    1990-99 one win an average of over 40 would be Thorpe. Who was the other? Michael Vaughan?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612

    malcolmg said:

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    Roger said:

    Faiza Shaheen is another Labour front bencher who drops more letters than she uses. She's obviously well educated so why would she want to sound like a moron? Accents don't matter much unless you want to be a voice over but sounding stupid when you aren't is an odd choice to make

    you're probably just another well spoken mediocrity.
    It's got nothing to do with RP. It's about confected accents that Labour MPs seem to be unusually good at.
    Faiza Sheheen isn't even an MP. Isn't she the PPC for IDS's seat? And I believe she talks the way she does because that is how she talks.
    There's a lot of Labour MPs with some very contrived working class/middle class accents. That's all I know.
    How do you know?
    I hear them on Sky news (although they probably do interviews for the beeb as well)
    Do you disapprove of Scottish accents? As a Unionist, they must doubly irk you.
    Why would I disapprove of Scottish accents? I have one myself ableit softened.

    FTR - Unionist don't disapprove of Scottish accents.
    Is that softened to a disney one Briskin
    Nope. English people can tell I'm Scottish. Scottish people often ask. Make of that what you will.
    A couple of months living in England will make you lose your accent right enough
    Not if you're a weegie.

    But I'm not and I did live in England for over 5 years so my accent softened. Ms Brisk went to private school in Aberdeen so also has a somewhat softened accent so we make the perfect couple :)
    Briskin, I lived years in England, years in USA and lots of time in other European countries, I did not lose my accent.
    You have to want to lose it, sheena Eastonesque
    Yes, I did want to soften it - so that I could be more understood. I believe George Bernard Shaw did the same kind of thing and even wrote a famous play/film about it.

    My accent is what it is. (probably not Scottish enough for your tastes)
    Do you sound like Michael Gove?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    200 should be enough for England.
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