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edited September 2 in General

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This is an interesting market from Ladbrokes, the one that caught my attention was Boris Johnson breaking George Canning’s record as the shortest serving Prime Minister.

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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 14,566
    edited September 2
    Where is everybody ?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 12,167
    If Ed Milliband had won we would be sharing pictures of our free owls now. LoO Osborne would be having fun at the EdStones expenses. Boris Johnson would be about to debut on Strictly. Farage would be a witness in the trial of once presidential hopeful Trump.
  • Plastic Churchill Boris Johnson is going to throw Winston Churchill's grandson out of the Conservative party. The symbolism is magnificent. And there wil be many loons on here and in the country who will applaud it.
  • Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 8,158
    Nigelb said:

    Where is everybody ?

    stocking up for a no deal brexit
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 14,566
    Is HYUFD waiting to be briefed on the new line ?
    Unusually quiet.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 8,158
    Nigelb said:

    Is HYUFD waiting to be briefed on the new line ?
    Unusually quiet.

    he said this was coming
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 6,293
    What do mainstream Tory Party MPs think of a wave of expulsions?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 12,081

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    That would fit in with the rest of the scriptwriting this season, where everything anybody does blows up in their face. Huge Con maj, but Boris loses his seat and Gove gets his job.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 30,182
    FPT - If you think a snap GE might be held this week with a very short campaign leading to an election around 12th October (5 weeks later) that results in Boris losing then a new Government rapidly passes a second referendum act inside a week or two, followed by a very short set up and official campaign of about 4 weeks, it's not impossible a second referendum is held before 2020. It would end up with a poll about mid December. Requires EU to extend to year end of course but they almost certainly would for that.

    You can currently lay that at 1.03 on Betfair (roughly 40/1) with plenty of money available.
  • Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
  • Plastic Churchill Boris Johnson is going to throw Winston Churchill's grandson out of the Conservative party. The symbolism is magnificent. And there wil be many loons on here and in the country who will applaud it.

    Not this one.

    While Grieve and Bebb deserve deselection the rest have mainly voted for brexit and it is hypocrisy in the extreme when ERG and Boris voted against.

    I support a GE but not that I think Boris will gain a majority but more the HOC needs refreshing without delay
  • ab195ab195 Posts: 457

    Plastic Churchill Boris Johnson is going to throw Winston Churchill's grandson out of the Conservative party. The symbolism is magnificent. And there wil be many loons on here and in the country who will applaud it.

    Surely nothing could be more fitting than for a Churchill to leave the Tory Party over free trade....
  • Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    Good point, assume he'll be seeking somewhere exceptionally safe.

    Wonder if Swinson will try and ping into Vince Cable's seat?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 14,566
    Floater said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is HYUFD waiting to be briefed on the new line ?
    Unusually quiet.

    he said this was coming
    The briefing ?
  • MysticroseMysticrose Posts: 954
    I love these betting posts where you can juggle options to achieve the same thing with better odds via an alternative.

    However, I got on the Johnson shortest PM at 6-1 which I'm quite happy about it.

    I never thought I'd write this, but Jeremy Corbyn is having a very good late summer. He's looking statesmanlike and principled, and he's outsmarted Tony Blair today:



  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 9,778
    edited September 2
    Two Three thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 12,081
    Nigelb said:

    Is HYUFD waiting to be briefed on the new line ?
    Unusually quiet.

    Probably wise as last time he went storming off with "we need to prorogue to crush the remainer traitors" only to discover the official line was that it was a perfectly routine action to help the government focus on crime and the NHS and any impact on Brexit was just one of those wild coincidences.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 50,091
    Hardly news, but local Tory constituency offices have been told not to issue any statements to the press, or members.
  • eekeek Posts: 5,520

    FPT - If you think a snap GE might be held this week with a very short campaign leading to an election around 12th October (5 weeks later) that results in Boris losing then a new Government rapidly passes a second referendum act inside a week or two, followed by a very short set up and official campaign of about 4 weeks, it's not impossible a second referendum is held before 2020. It would end up with a poll about mid December. Requires EU to extend to year end of course but they almost certainly would for that.

    You can currently lay that at 1.03 on Betfair (roughly 40/1) with plenty of money available.

    A referendum requires 6 months minimum and that’s allowing the question to be refined as the other processes continue. We’ve discussed this before and the details can be found on the electoral commission website from memory.

    I’m on my mobile so can’t find the link sorry
  • Two thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal during a GE anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    Re point 1 - they will not be the conservative candidate. The candidate will be a brexiteer probably supplied by Farage. It is a mess and very alarming
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 12,081
    eek said:

    FPT - If you think a snap GE might be held this week with a very short campaign leading to an election around 12th October (5 weeks later) that results in Boris losing then a new Government rapidly passes a second referendum act inside a week or two, followed by a very short set up and official campaign of about 4 weeks, it's not impossible a second referendum is held before 2020. It would end up with a poll about mid December. Requires EU to extend to year end of course but they almost certainly would for that.

    You can currently lay that at 1.03 on Betfair (roughly 40/1) with plenty of money available.

    A referendum requires 6 months minimum and that’s allowing the question to be refined as the other processes continue. We’ve discussed this before and the details can be found on the electoral commission website from memory.

    I’m on my mobile so can’t find the link sorry
    My memory of the previous discussions was that the 6 months is a general recommendation but you can totally do it way faster.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 4,489
    @Scott_P 😭
  • Two Three thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?

    Erm - trying to work out the latest polls showing a Boris landslide
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 61,387
    Nigelb said:

    Is HYUFD waiting to be briefed on the new line ?
    Unusually quiet.

    No, a general election suits Boris fine, as does a minority government of diehard Remainers leaving him with Leavers united behind him.

    In Uxbridge on present polling Boris will increase his majority, remember Hillingdon where Uxbridge lies voted Leave and many 2017 Labour Remainers will vote LD this time splitting the anti Boris vote
  • FPT - If you think a snap GE might be held this week with a very short campaign leading to an election around 12th October (5 weeks later) that results in Boris losing then a new Government rapidly passes a second referendum act inside a week or two, followed by a very short set up and official campaign of about 4 weeks, it's not impossible a second referendum is held before 2020. It would end up with a poll about mid December. Requires EU to extend to year end of course but they almost certainly would for that.

    You can currently lay that at 1.03 on Betfair (roughly 40/1) with plenty of money available.

    What plausible government is going to get a referendum agreed quickly? Corbyn clearly doesnt want one, so will prevaricate. Labour policy is to negotiate a new deal then have a series of internal debates ahead of the referendum.

    Of course anything is possible, and we are likely to have deadlock where a 2nd referendum makes most sense, so perhaps.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 26,780

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    I find it bizarre that people are still accusing Boris of being a coward. He may be reckless or incompetent or wrong but he has shown a determination and focus since becoming PM. Having an election now and risking being the briefest PM in history is not the act of a coward. It may well be what Yes Minister might have called "brave".
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 12,167

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?

    Somewhere we don't have an extradition treaty or maybe the Ecuadorian embassy?

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 9,778

    Two Three thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?

    Erm - trying to work out the latest polls showing a Boris landslide
    :lol:
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 15,118

    I love these betting posts where you can juggle options to achieve the same thing with better odds via an alternative.

    However, I got on the Johnson shortest PM at 6-1 which I'm quite happy about it.

    I never thought I'd write this, but Jeremy Corbyn is having a very good late summer. He's looking statesmanlike and principled, and he's outsmarted Tony Blair today:



    Scott_P said:
    Will Labour be canny enough to demand a price for agreeing to a GE?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 12,167
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is HYUFD waiting to be briefed on the new line ?
    Unusually quiet.

    No, a general election suits Boris fine, as does a minority government of diehard Remainers leaving him with Leavers united behind him.

    In Uxbridge on present polling Boris will increase his majority, remember Hillingdon where Uxbridge lies voted Leave and many 2017 Labour Remainers will vote LD this time splitting the anti Boris vote
    HYUFD loves his DieHard Remainers! "yippee ki yay motherf*cker"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 61,387

    Two Three thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?

    The Tory manifesto commitment will be to exit with a Deal ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop 52% of voters backed at the weekend according to Survation, or if the EU does not agree to a technical solution for the Irish border with No Deal.

    It will be a Brexit Deal or No Deal manifesto, not No Deal alone
  • HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is HYUFD waiting to be briefed on the new line ?
    Unusually quiet.

    No, a general election suits Boris fine, as does a minority government of diehard Remainers leaving him with Leavers united behind him.

    In Uxbridge on present polling Boris will increase his majority, remember Hillingdon where Uxbridge lies voted Leave and many 2017 Labour Remainers will vote LD this time splitting the anti Boris vote
    A minority government of remainers will either see a referendum or revoke
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 441
    Cyclefree said:

    I love these betting posts where you can juggle options to achieve the same thing with better odds via an alternative.

    However, I got on the Johnson shortest PM at 6-1 which I'm quite happy about it.

    I never thought I'd write this, but Jeremy Corbyn is having a very good late summer. He's looking statesmanlike and principled, and he's outsmarted Tony Blair today:



    Scott_P said:
    Will Labour be canny enough to demand a price for agreeing to a GE?
    I mean, if I were Labour I would refuse to do this and VoNC them first to try and form a minority gov for, like, 5 mins and then call the GE yourself. Because Corbyn being incumbent PM (even for a month or so) will make it easier for him to convince people it isn't scary.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 23,370
    DavidL said:

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    I find it bizarre that people are still accusing Boris of being a coward. He may be reckless or incompetent or wrong but he has shown a determination and focus since becoming PM. Having an election now and risking being the briefest PM in history is not the act of a coward. It may well be what Yes Minister might have called "brave".
    He's simply at the mercy of events, having made the initial spectacular error of tying himself to the October 31st date.
  • DavidL said:

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    I find it bizarre that people are still accusing Boris of being a coward. He may be reckless or incompetent or wrong but he has shown a determination and focus since becoming PM. Having an election now and risking being the briefest PM in history is not the act of a coward. It may well be what Yes Minister might have called "brave".
    He is reckless. Brave would be to actually lead and win people's trust and confidence, argue his case and face parliamentary scrutiny.

    He has no plan, and is therefore desperate for an extension yet cannot get one without losing face. So he destroys the Conservative party to save himself. A selfish coward.

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 8,158

    Nigelb said:

    Is HYUFD waiting to be briefed on the new line ?
    Unusually quiet.

    Probably wise as last time he went storming off with "we need to prorogue to crush the remainer traitors" only to discover the official line was that it was a perfectly routine action to help the government focus on crime and the NHS and any impact on Brexit was just one of those wild coincidences.
    Wrong again
  • HYUFD said:

    Two Three thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?

    The Tory manifesto commitment will be to exit with a Deal ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop 52% of voters backed at the weekend according to Survation, or if the EU does not agree to a technical solution for the Irish border with No Deal.

    It will be a Brexit Deal or No Deal manifesto, not No Deal alone
    On your last sentence HYUFD I agree with you
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 15,118
    Scott_P said:
    Scott_P said:
    Wouldn’t the purdah rules make it very difficult for the government to take the necessary action to deal with any problems? So they could face a No Deal exit, some sort of crisis, an inability to deal with it properly, said crisis getting worse and having a disastrous effect on the Tories’ electoral chances. It might even lead to the Tories getting No Deal but losing the election.

    Is that really what Boris wants?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 26,780

    DavidL said:

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    I find it bizarre that people are still accusing Boris of being a coward. He may be reckless or incompetent or wrong but he has shown a determination and focus since becoming PM. Having an election now and risking being the briefest PM in history is not the act of a coward. It may well be what Yes Minister might have called "brave".
    He is reckless. Brave would be to actually lead and win people's trust and confidence, argue his case and face parliamentary scrutiny.

    He has no plan, and is therefore desperate for an extension yet cannot get one without losing face. So he destroys the Conservative party to save himself. A selfish coward.

    A reckless coward. You might want to give that more thought.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 828
    HYUFD said:

    Two Three thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?

    The Tory manifesto commitment will be to exit with a Deal ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop 52% of voters backed at the weekend according to Survation, or if the EU does not agree to a technical solution for the Irish border with No Deal.

    It will be a Brexit Deal or No Deal manifesto, not No Deal alone

    Standing in an election and agreeing with the manifesto of your party are traditionally two separate questions, as Jeremy Corbyn among others well knows.

  • HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is HYUFD waiting to be briefed on the new line ?
    Unusually quiet.

    No, a general election suits Boris fine, as does a minority government of diehard Remainers leaving him with Leavers united behind him.

    In Uxbridge on present polling Boris will increase his majority, remember Hillingdon where Uxbridge lies voted Leave and many 2017 Labour Remainers will vote LD this time splitting the anti Boris vote
    Interesting to hear your spin when he swaps seats!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 19,795
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is HYUFD waiting to be briefed on the new line ?
    Unusually quiet.

    No, a general election suits Boris fine, as does a minority government of diehard Remainers leaving him with Leavers united behind him.

    In Uxbridge on present polling Boris will increase his majority, remember Hillingdon where Uxbridge lies voted Leave and many 2017 Labour Remainers will vote LD this time splitting the anti Boris vote
    So he would be happy out of power as the Leavers would be united behind him?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 50,091
    Cyclefree said:

    Is that really what Boris wants?

    It's what Cummings wants.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 4,489
    HYUFD said:

    Two Three thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?

    The Tory manifesto commitment will be to exit with a Deal ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop 52% of voters backed at the weekend according to Survation, or if the EU does not agree to a technical solution for the Irish border with No Deal.

    It will be a Brexit Deal or No Deal manifesto, not No Deal alone
    Considering that Brexit deal does not exist it is basically a No Deal manifesto. Good to know.
  • Very interested to see what Farage does in the event of an election coming into view this week. Stand down the Brexit party is obviously the best way to get a government back that are likely to implement some sort of brexit.

    Or go for it split the blue vote and have a lucrative career as the brexit prince over the water for another 20 years.

    Don't hold your breath.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    I find it bizarre that people are still accusing Boris of being a coward. He may be reckless or incompetent or wrong but he has shown a determination and focus since becoming PM. Having an election now and risking being the briefest PM in history is not the act of a coward. It may well be what Yes Minister might have called "brave".
    He is reckless. Brave would be to actually lead and win people's trust and confidence, argue his case and face parliamentary scrutiny.

    He has no plan, and is therefore desperate for an extension yet cannot get one without losing face. So he destroys the Conservative party to save himself. A selfish coward.

    A reckless coward. You might want to give that more thought.
    Reckless maybe but far from being a coward
  • I’ve contacted Phil Hammond and a few other anti No Dealers asking them to include in their anti No Deal legislation a clause banning OGH from taking foreign holidays.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    I find it bizarre that people are still accusing Boris of being a coward. He may be reckless or incompetent or wrong but he has shown a determination and focus since becoming PM. Having an election now and risking being the briefest PM in history is not the act of a coward. It may well be what Yes Minister might have called "brave".
    He is reckless. Brave would be to actually lead and win people's trust and confidence, argue his case and face parliamentary scrutiny.

    He has no plan, and is therefore desperate for an extension yet cannot get one without losing face. So he destroys the Conservative party to save himself. A selfish coward.

    A reckless coward. You might want to give that more thought.
    A drunk driver is a reckless coward, you can be both at the same time. The drunk driver is not brave for taking on more risk.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 26,780

    DavidL said:

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    I find it bizarre that people are still accusing Boris of being a coward. He may be reckless or incompetent or wrong but he has shown a determination and focus since becoming PM. Having an election now and risking being the briefest PM in history is not the act of a coward. It may well be what Yes Minister might have called "brave".
    He's simply at the mercy of events, having made the initial spectacular error of tying himself to the October 31st date.
    I think that is too simple. The extension to 31st October has been a disaster. We should have left in March. It has damaged our economy, damaged our politics and damaged the Conservative party. I can see no evidence at all that any further extension would not be even worse. Parliament must choose and if it won't we need a different Parliament.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 30,520
    Scott_P said:
    It would be delicious if Johnson's efforts to look untrustworthy sabotaged his plan to hold an election before Brexit.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 19,795
    HYUFD said:

    Two Three thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?

    The Tory manifesto commitment will be to exit with a Deal ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop 52% of voters backed at the weekend according to Survation, or if the EU does not agree to a technical solution for the Irish border with No Deal.

    It will be a Brexit Deal or No Deal manifesto, not No Deal alone
    I hope so because on a No Deal manifesto they would lose your support, given your status as a diehard Remainer.
  • HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is HYUFD waiting to be briefed on the new line ?
    Unusually quiet.

    No, a general election suits Boris fine, as does a minority government of diehard Remainers leaving him with Leavers united behind him.

    In Uxbridge on present polling Boris will increase his majority, remember Hillingdon where Uxbridge lies voted Leave and many 2017 Labour Remainers will vote LD this time splitting the anti Boris vote
    Interesting to hear your spin when he swaps seats!
    Not enough time to do that

    GE now 1/10 on
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 14,566

    Two Three thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?

    Erm - trying to work out the latest polls showing a Boris landslide
    That would be at the outer edge of the range of possibilities, but not utterly impossible, I guess.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 61,387

    HYUFD said:

    Two Three thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?

    The Tory manifesto commitment will be to exit with a Deal ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop 52% of voters backed at the weekend according to Survation, or if the EU does not agree to a technical solution for the Irish border with No Deal.

    It will be a Brexit Deal or No Deal manifesto, not No Deal alone
    Considering that Brexit deal does not exist it is basically a No Deal manifesto. Good to know.
    Neither Macron nor Merkel ruled it out, voters also opposed further extension 47% to 41% with Survation
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 50,091

    Very interested to see what Farage does in the event of an election coming into view this week. Stand down the Brexit party is obviously the best way to get a government back that are likely to implement some sort of brexit.

    Or go for it split the blue vote and have a lucrative career as the brexit prince over the water for another 20 years.

    Don't hold your breath.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 26,780

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    I find it bizarre that people are still accusing Boris of being a coward. He may be reckless or incompetent or wrong but he has shown a determination and focus since becoming PM. Having an election now and risking being the briefest PM in history is not the act of a coward. It may well be what Yes Minister might have called "brave".
    He is reckless. Brave would be to actually lead and win people's trust and confidence, argue his case and face parliamentary scrutiny.

    He has no plan, and is therefore desperate for an extension yet cannot get one without losing face. So he destroys the Conservative party to save himself. A selfish coward.

    A reckless coward. You might want to give that more thought.
    A drunk driver is a reckless coward, you can be both at the same time. The drunk driver is not brave for taking on more risk.
    I don't see why he is a coward either. He is much more likely to be someone who in their impaired judgment grossly underestimated the risks of being caught and the potential risks to others.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 61,387
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is HYUFD waiting to be briefed on the new line ?
    Unusually quiet.

    No, a general election suits Boris fine, as does a minority government of diehard Remainers leaving him with Leavers united behind him.

    In Uxbridge on present polling Boris will increase his majority, remember Hillingdon where Uxbridge lies voted Leave and many 2017 Labour Remainers will vote LD this time splitting the anti Boris vote
    So he would be happy out of power as the Leavers would be united behind him?
    Temporarily as he would win a landslide at the next general election maybe
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 14,566
    Btw, kudos for TSE for sneaking the schoolboy pun into the title.
  • Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    Some rumours heard at the weekend Boris will be dropped into Beckenham replacing Bob Stewart who will be off to the Lords
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 15,118
    If there is to be a GE I wish I had a vote in Copeland where my vote might make a difference. I could campaign for the Lib Dems in London but I think they will have an uphill battle in the constituency where I live, despite the good European election results.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 61,387

    HYUFD said:

    Two Three thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?

    The Tory manifesto commitment will be to exit with a Deal ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop 52% of voters backed at the weekend according to Survation, or if the EU does not agree to a technical solution for the Irish border with No Deal.

    It will be a Brexit Deal or No Deal manifesto, not No Deal alone
    On your last sentence HYUFD I agree with you
    Agreed, it will only be the Brexit Party backing No Deal in all circumstances
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 1,188
    edited September 2
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/rebel-mps-leaked-motion-brexit


    Rebel MPs led by Oliver Letwin, Dominic Grieve and Keir Starmer will attempt to rush legislation blocking a no-deal Brexit through Parliament in just a few hours, according to a draft version of their motion leaked to BuzzFeed News.

    In a manoeuvre that would be far bolder and more radical than the one that allowed MPs to take control of the order paper in April, the draft motion would give the House of Commons just hours to pass the law and make it difficult for MPs to table considered amendments, either to the motion or to the legislation to block no-deal.

    BuzzFeed News understands the rebels have been divided on whether to attempt to pass the motion and legislation in one day on Tuesday, or over two days on Tuesday and Wednesday. A source said some MPs want to get the bill through Parliament over one day in order to hamper government efforts to block the legislation. Another source said it was likely to clear Parliament on Wednesday.

    The draft motion, which contains 19 clauses and could change substantially by the time it is tabled, outlines the plan to move a motion at an emergency debate on Tuesday. If passed, it would allow MPs opposed to no-deal to seize control of the House of Commons from the government and then pass legislation in the Commons within hours.

    The rebel MPs would then immediately take control of the Commons chamber and advance a piece of legislation that is expected to be entitled the European Union (Withdrawal) (No.6) Bill.

    The bill would require Boris Johnson to seek an extension from the EU if he has not agreed a new deal with Brussels by a certain date in October.

    This is in line with the last attempt by Labour's Yvette Cooper to mandate former prime minister Theresa May to seek an extension to Article 50 back in April. That Bill was No.5.

    The draft motion allows MPs to propose amendments to the bill with pen and paper by submitting them to the clerks sitting at the central table within the chamber, but it will be difficult to make considered amendments to either the motion alongside the emergency debate or the legislation aimed at preventing a no-deal Brexit


    BuzzFeed News is told the motion has been drafted in this way because rebels fear that they do not have enough time to prevent Brexiteers from filibustering the legislation in the Lords.

    A rebel source said that very few rebels have been involved in the plan to seize the Commons on Tuesday.

    Letwin has been working with a close-knit group including the Clerk of Bills in the Commons, Starmer and Dominic Grieve. Letwin and Grieve did not respond to requests for comment.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 15,118

    I’ve contacted Phil Hammond and a few other anti No Dealers asking them to include in their anti No Deal legislation a clause banning OGH from taking foreign holidays.

    And making me Justice Secretary. Don’t forget that!
  • Nigelb said:

    Two Three thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?

    Erm - trying to work out the latest polls showing a Boris landslide
    That would be at the outer edge of the range of possibilities, but not utterly impossible, I guess.
    I cannot see a majority to be honest
  • Nice to see David Herdson providing us with a list of those MPs who will not be restanding for the Tory Party at the next election.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 23,370
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    I find it bizarre that people are still accusing Boris of being a coward. He may be reckless or incompetent or wrong but he has shown a determination and focus since becoming PM. Having an election now and risking being the briefest PM in history is not the act of a coward. It may well be what Yes Minister might have called "brave".
    He's simply at the mercy of events, having made the initial spectacular error of tying himself to the October 31st date.
    I think that is too simple. The extension to 31st October has been a disaster. We should have left in March. It has damaged our economy, damaged our politics and damaged the Conservative party. I can see no evidence at all that any further extension would not be even worse. Parliament must choose and if it won't we need a different Parliament.
    We may well need a different parliament (we certainly need a different PM). The correct way to have got one would have been to agree an extension with the EU, in order to hold a GE with enough time aftwerards to implement the legislation necessary to mitigate the disaster of no-deal, or alternatively to agree and implement a smooth exit, depending on the GE result.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 14,566
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    I find it bizarre that people are still accusing Boris of being a coward. He may be reckless or incompetent or wrong but he has shown a determination and focus since becoming PM. Having an election now and risking being the briefest PM in history is not the act of a coward. It may well be what Yes Minister might have called "brave".
    He is reckless. Brave would be to actually lead and win people's trust and confidence, argue his case and face parliamentary scrutiny.

    He has no plan, and is therefore desperate for an extension yet cannot get one without losing face. So he destroys the Conservative party to save himself. A selfish coward.

    A reckless coward. You might want to give that more thought.
    A drunk driver is a reckless coward, you can be both at the same time. The drunk driver is not brave for taking on more risk.
    I don't see why he is a coward either. He is much more likely to be someone who in their impaired judgment grossly underestimated the risks of being caught and the potential risks to others.
    Agreed - the coward epithet is overused for people one doesn’t like.
    There’s plenty of other disobliging stuff to call him.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 61,387
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    I find it bizarre that people are still accusing Boris of being a coward. He may be reckless or incompetent or wrong but he has shown a determination and focus since becoming PM. Having an election now and risking being the briefest PM in history is not the act of a coward. It may well be what Yes Minister might have called "brave".
    He's simply at the mercy of events, having made the initial spectacular error of tying himself to the October 31st date.
    I think that is too simple. The extension to 31st October has been a disaster. We should have left in March. It has damaged our economy, damaged our politics and damaged the Conservative party. I can see no evidence at all that any further extension would not be even worse. Parliament must choose and if it won't we need a different Parliament.
    Further extension if allowed by Boris likely puts Farage in Downing Street or Corbyn in Downing Street with a split Leaver vote
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 4,489
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Two Three thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?

    The Tory manifesto commitment will be to exit with a Deal ie the Withdrawal Agreement minus the backstop 52% of voters backed at the weekend according to Survation, or if the EU does not agree to a technical solution for the Irish border with No Deal.

    It will be a Brexit Deal or No Deal manifesto, not No Deal alone
    Considering that Brexit deal does not exist it is basically a No Deal manifesto. Good to know.
    Neither Macron nor Merkel ruled it out, voters also opposed further extension 47% to 41% with Survation
    How many days has Boris got left of Merkel’s 30 day deadline?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 9,778

    I’ve contacted Phil Hammond and a few other anti No Dealers asking them to include in their anti No Deal legislation a clause banning OGH from taking foreign holidays.

    Well, I bloody well hope it doesn't fall on that clause - you will be forever infamous as the cause of No Deal chaos.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 19,795
    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is HYUFD waiting to be briefed on the new line ?
    Unusually quiet.

    No, a general election suits Boris fine, as does a minority government of diehard Remainers leaving him with Leavers united behind him.

    In Uxbridge on present polling Boris will increase his majority, remember Hillingdon where Uxbridge lies voted Leave and many 2017 Labour Remainers will vote LD this time splitting the anti Boris vote
    So he would be happy out of power as the Leavers would be united behind him?
    Temporarily as he would win a landslide at the next general election maybe
    What five years hence?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 14,566

    Nigelb said:

    Two Three thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?

    Erm - trying to work out the latest polls showing a Boris landslide
    That would be at the outer edge of the range of possibilities, but not utterly impossible, I guess.
    I cannot see a majority to be honest
    Neither can I, but I’ve been wrong before.
  • BromBrom Posts: 1,705

    Plastic Churchill Boris Johnson is going to throw Winston Churchill's grandson out of the Conservative party. The symbolism is magnificent. And there wil be many loons on here and in the country who will applaud it.

    Not a huge fan of Boris but he's twice the man that lumbering oaf Soames is.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 9,778

    I’ve contacted Phil Hammond and a few other anti No Dealers asking them to include in their anti No Deal legislation a clause banning OGH from taking foreign holidays.

    If that includes Christmas holidays, would that be a Santa clause?

  • Nigelb said:

    Btw, kudos for TSE for sneaking the schoolboy pun into the title.

    Yay! Someone noticed it, I’m just too damn subtle.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 15,118
    Nigelb said:

    Btw, kudos for TSE for sneaking the schoolboy pun into the title.

    Supplies of mind bleach are running low.
  • Slightly OT, there was an interesting suggestion this morning on the Today Programme that Boris mihht be able to persuade one or more of the leaders of EU countries to vote against an extension if he is forced to ask for one
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 26,780

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    I find it bizarre that people are still accusing Boris of being a coward. He may be reckless or incompetent or wrong but he has shown a determination and focus since becoming PM. Having an election now and risking being the briefest PM in history is not the act of a coward. It may well be what Yes Minister might have called "brave".
    He's simply at the mercy of events, having made the initial spectacular error of tying himself to the October 31st date.
    I think that is too simple. The extension to 31st October has been a disaster. We should have left in March. It has damaged our economy, damaged our politics and damaged the Conservative party. I can see no evidence at all that any further extension would not be even worse. Parliament must choose and if it won't we need a different Parliament.
    We may well need a different parliament (we certainly need a different PM). The correct way to have got one would have been to agree an extension with the EU, in order to hold a GE with enough time aftwerards to implement the legislation necessary to mitigate the disaster of no-deal, or alternatively to agree and implement a smooth exit, depending on the GE result.
    We don't need more time to hold an election. Whether we need more time afterwards depends on the result. We may be revoking at the instance of PM Swinson. It's all to play for but this has dragged on too long already.
  • If there is a GE, do we know if Bercow is running again? Not had a real stake in the game for a decade those of us in the Peoples Republic of Bercow.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,594
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is HYUFD waiting to be briefed on the new line ?
    Unusually quiet.

    No, a general election suits Boris fine, as does a minority government of diehard Remainers leaving him with Leavers united behind him.

    In Uxbridge on present polling Boris will increase his majority, remember Hillingdon where Uxbridge lies voted Leave and many 2017 Labour Remainers will vote LD this time splitting the anti Boris vote
    Why would those 2017 Labour Remainers vote LD? Its not a seat the LDs expect to win and every remainer there knows its the PMs own seat, Labour would campaign hard there, so tactical voting would likely squeeze LD vote even further (although given the vote is non-existent there it probably can't go much further down). The Lib Lab split is being overdone. Push comes to shove anyone wanting to stop no deal will hold a peg over their nose and vote for whichever is best placed to stop the tories in a pre brexit GE. No-one will believe that Labour can get a majority so people will be less scared of Corbyn.

    However I don't think it will be enough for Labour to take the seat.
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    I find it bizarre that people are still accusing Boris of being a coward. He may be reckless or incompetent or wrong but he has shown a determination and focus since becoming PM. Having an election now and risking being the briefest PM in history is not the act of a coward. It may well be what Yes Minister might have called "brave".
    He is reckless. Brave would be to actually lead and win people's trust and confidence, argue his case and face parliamentary scrutiny.

    He has no plan, and is therefore desperate for an extension yet cannot get one without losing face. So he destroys the Conservative party to save himself. A selfish coward.

    A reckless coward. You might want to give that more thought.
    A drunk driver is a reckless coward, you can be both at the same time. The drunk driver is not brave for taking on more risk.
    I don't see why he is a coward either. He is much more likely to be someone who in their impaired judgment grossly underestimated the risks of being caught and the potential risks to others.
    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Coward

    "someone who runs away or abandons his responsibilities or obligations during times of danger, distress, pain, or fear of the unknown; someone whose concern is only for himself"

    The drunk driver and our PM both abandon their obligations and responsibilities and their only concern is for themself.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 50,988
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    He's not fit to be in the Cabinet, let alone PM.
  • isamisam Posts: 27,683
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 23,370
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    I find it bizarre that people are still accusing Boris of being a coward. He may be reckless or incompetent or wrong but he has shown a determination and focus since becoming PM. Having an election now and risking being the briefest PM in history is not the act of a coward. It may well be what Yes Minister might have called "brave".
    He's simply at the mercy of events, having made the initial spectacular error of tying himself to the October 31st date.
    I think that is too simple. The extension to 31st October has been a disaster. We should have left in March. It has damaged our economy, damaged our politics and damaged the Conservative party. I can see no evidence at all that any further extension would not be even worse. Parliament must choose and if it won't we need a different Parliament.
    We may well need a different parliament (we certainly need a different PM). The correct way to have got one would have been to agree an extension with the EU, in order to hold a GE with enough time aftwerards to implement the legislation necessary to mitigate the disaster of no-deal, or alternatively to agree and implement a smooth exit, depending on the GE result.
    We don't need more time to hold an election. Whether we need more time afterwards depends on the result. We may be revoking at the instance of PM Swinson. It's all to play for but this has dragged on too long already.
    Well, yes, it is true that Revoking is the only thing for which we wouldn't need extra time between a GE and October 31st. But somehow I don't expect that to be a Conservative manifesto promise.
  • Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Two Three thoughts:

    1. Surely the Rebel Tories who are threatened with de-selection couldn't support a Tory manifesto commitment to exit with No Deal anyway. So does the de-selection really mean much?

    2. A GE campaign with the Tories promising to exit with No Deal will be very interesting. Plenty of big employers are going to struggle to keep schtum on the negative effects of No Deal on threir businesses imo.

    3. Where's @HUYFD to explain how this all fits into the master plan?

    Erm - trying to work out the latest polls showing a Boris landslide
    That would be at the outer edge of the range of possibilities, but not utterly impossible, I guess.
    I cannot see a majority to be honest
    Neither can I, but I’ve been wrong before.
    Haven't we all !!!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 61,387
    edited September 2

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Is HYUFD waiting to be briefed on the new line ?
    Unusually quiet.

    No, a general election suits Boris fine, as does a minority government of diehard Remainers leaving him with Leavers united behind him.

    In Uxbridge on present polling Boris will increase his majority, remember Hillingdon where Uxbridge lies voted Leave and many 2017 Labour Remainers will vote LD this time splitting the anti Boris vote
    Why would those 2017 Labour Remainers vote LD? Its not a seat the LDs expect to win and every remainer there knows its the PMs own seat, Labour would campaign hard there, so tactical voting would likely squeeze LD vote even further (although given the vote is non-existent there it probably can't go much further down). The Lib Lab split is being overdone. Push comes to shove anyone wanting to stop no deal will hold a peg over their nose and vote for whichever is best placed to stop the tories in a pre brexit GE. No-one will believe that Labour can get a majority so people will be less scared of Corbyn.

    However I don't think it will be enough for Labour to take the seat.
    On latest polls the Tories have a 7 to 11% lead, the LDs are just 1 to 3% behind Labour with Swinson now ahead of Corbyn as preferred PM.

    It is now possible the Tories could win a majority on a third of the vote with the Liberals beating Labour in voteshare to take second place on votes for the first time since pre 1918
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 50,091
    Brom said:

    he's twice the man that lumbering oaf Soames is.

    But he's been jogging and everything to try and lose weight...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 14,566
    “Shortly, there will be an election....”
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,179

    Nice to see David Herdson providing us with a list of those MPs who will not be restanding for the Tory Party at the next election.

    If the GE is a tight affair resulting in a Tory majority for sake of argument in single figures then not much is gained in terms of moving Brexit forward unless the 22 are deselected (a few are not standing again anyway e.g Letwin).

    Personally I feel the rebels should hold their fire until after the Queens Speech and give the game of brinkmanship with the EU a chance to succeed.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 4,489
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    I find it bizarre that people are still accusing Boris of being a coward. He may be reckless or incompetent or wrong but he has shown a determination and focus since becoming PM. Having an election now and risking being the briefest PM in history is not the act of a coward. It may well be what Yes Minister might have called "brave".
    He's simply at the mercy of events, having made the initial spectacular error of tying himself to the October 31st date.
    I think that is too simple. The extension to 31st October has been a disaster. We should have left in March. It has damaged our economy, damaged our politics and damaged the Conservative party. I can see no evidence at all that any further extension would not be even worse. Parliament must choose and if it won't we need a different Parliament.
    Further extension if allowed by Boris likely puts Farage in Downing Street or Corbyn in Downing Street with a split Leaver vote
    What would you do then?
  • "to honour the 2016 referendum campaign to Leave with a deal..."

    This entirely disingenuous, as the author clearly knows. Dishonest.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 1,571
    Jonathan said:

    If Ed Milliband had won we would be sharing pictures of our free owls now. LoO Osborne would be having fun at the EdStones expenses. Boris Johnson would be about to debut on Strictly. Farage would be a witness in the trial of once presidential hopeful Trump.

    SLab at 35% Scon at 25% SLD at 20% SNP at 15%.

    Ed Miliband, saviour of the Union.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,004

    Highly tempted by that 5/1 on BJ to lose his seat.

    10/1 to change seat is better

    Leadership interviews - ran away
    Leadership debates - ran away
    Parliamentary scrutiny - prorogues
    Deal with rebels - not talking to them and kick them out

    A coward only interested in himself.
    Some rumours heard at the weekend Boris will be dropped into Beckenham replacing Bob Stewart who will be off to the Lords
    Ooh, I could apply for that. It's where I grew up. I'm not sure the members would vote for me over BJ, though.
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