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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,267
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:


    Foxy said:

    Byronic said:

    How long can Corbyn credibly resist the offer of a cleansing election? Not long. Mere days, I suggest.

    As long as A50 is extended or revoked first, bring it on.

    Bozo, Cummings and Lord Snooty have managed to make Jezza look like a statesman. Tough job, well done!
    They have actually made Jezza look far from the voice of the people a la 2017 but now the voice of the establishment defying the will of the people
    This is the what the entitled establishment looks like:

    https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1168980398166237185?s=20
    The entitled establishment has again defied the will of the people tonight but their day of reckoning will soon be coming!!!
    Somebody better wake up JRM then.
  • This may be a minority view on here but I think in a GE campaign Corbyn would run rings round Johnson. Tonite's exhibition rather confirmed that belief.
  • HYUFD said:


    Foxy said:

    Byronic said:

    How long can Corbyn credibly resist the offer of a cleansing election? Not long. Mere days, I suggest.

    As long as A50 is extended or revoked first, bring it on.

    Bozo, Cummings and Lord Snooty have managed to make Jezza look like a statesman. Tough job, well done!
    They have actually made Jezza look far from the voice of the people a la 2017 but now the voice of the establishment defying the will of the people. He will never recover from tonight in Leave areas in the North and Midlands
    Quite.

    Corbyn has no chance of getting close to a majority now. Odds on a Con maj have shortened over the last 24 hours.

    I think we could be looking at a Lab wipeout. Losing seats in the NW and Midlands to the Cons, and in the scotland , the south, university towns and the west to the LDs.
    How many seats do you think the Tories will lose to the LDs?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    dr_spyn said:
    The cyclist should get himself an agent sharpish; that is destined for maximum virality.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    HYUFD said:

    Siri - what does privileged, arrogant, entitlement look like?
    https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1168980398166237185?s=21

    No, Rees Mogg a Patriot unlike MPs like Turley showing true arrogance, entitlement, disrespect and contempt for the will of the people
    Mogg voted against leaving three times.

    You and he vehemently disagree on this. He represents the opposite of what you believe in.
  • Ishmael_Z said:

    Andrea Leadsom to believe that Pathetic Bunter has folded on removing the whip from the Tory rebellion.

    Absolutely first class bottling by Bottler Billy Bunter, Mug Punter.

    He hasnt folded.

    It is tactics. Do you really not understand that?!
    I usually deprecate foul language, but I am pretty certain I speak for the vast majority of the PB community in inviting you to fuck off.

    Permanently.
    Well as i say, there are plenty who welcome the echo chamber that PB is in danger of becoming.

    So if it fires you up, all the better...
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    GIN1138 said:

    Parliament Vs The People

    The script is written... All Boris has to do is play his role as defender of the people and he'll be home and dry.

    Moaaaar Brexit says Jezza - day and night forever - indefinite Brexit forever.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,761

    BBC Scotland doing a wee background visualisation of BJ Brexit for ye.

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1168999591049662464?s=20

    Hilarious.
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268
    Byronic said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Can we please have an election so that we have resolution one way or another.

    A GE atm would see us right back to where we started ie stalemate.
    As a result of tonights vote there are now only two possible outcomes, a GE or revoke. Any chance of any sort of negotiated deal is now dead.
    Maybe. But who wouldn't jump at another go at the WA?
    I would but they won't. Corbyn wants his election and the Remainers want revocation. Neither group will now support the WA.
    Yes. Remainers, understandably, have their dander up. They won’t stop, now, til Brexit is killed off. And they will likely succeed.
    But it can't be killed off. The right wing of the country is absolutely committed to it. This only ends up with either the Tories committing to leaving the EU regardless in every manifesto until they win a majority, or the Brexit Party replacing them to do the same. They are not going to accept a referendum voting the other way as legitimate.
  • isamisam Posts: 40,722
    How many times has Jezza called for a GE since June 2017?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    egg said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is excellent tactics by Boris, tonight in prime time on BBC1 and ITV and the news channels all the coverage was of Boris promising to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal and of Corbyn committing to try and ban No Deal Brexit and extend again, costing him potentially millions of Labour Leave voters in the process whether to the Tories or the Brexit Party

    If that is true, and I’m not saying it isn’t, is it important to now secure that election soonest to cash in on the moment? How long does such a moment last until it’s replaced by another moment, such as the moment Boris will find himself in next month if there isn’t a GE?
    Boris will propose an election tomorrow, he is no coward, Corbyn may well be though
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2019
    15 of the 21 Tory rebels represent seats in London or the south-east of England.

  • HYUFD said:


    Foxy said:

    Byronic said:

    How long can Corbyn credibly resist the offer of a cleansing election? Not long. Mere days, I suggest.

    As long as A50 is extended or revoked first, bring it on.

    Bozo, Cummings and Lord Snooty have managed to make Jezza look like a statesman. Tough job, well done!
    They have actually made Jezza look far from the voice of the people a la 2017 but now the voice of the establishment defying the will of the people. He will never recover from tonight in Leave areas in the North and Midlands
    Quite.

    Corbyn has no chance of getting close to a majority now. Odds on a Con maj have shortened over the last 24 hours.

    I think we could be looking at a Lab wipeout. Losing seats in the NW and Midlands to the Cons, and in the scotland , the south, university towns and the west to the LDs.
    How many seats do you think the Tories will lose to the LDs?
    Less than they will gain from Lab.
  • HYUFD said:


    Foxy said:

    Byronic said:

    How long can Corbyn credibly resist the offer of a cleansing election? Not long. Mere days, I suggest.

    As long as A50 is extended or revoked first, bring it on.

    Bozo, Cummings and Lord Snooty have managed to make Jezza look like a statesman. Tough job, well done!
    They have actually made Jezza look far from the voice of the people a la 2017 but now the voice of the establishment defying the will of the people. He will never recover from tonight in Leave areas in the North and Midlands
    Quite.

    Corbyn has no chance of getting close to a majority now. Odds on a Con maj have shortened over the last 24 hours.

    I think we could be looking at a Lab wipeout. Losing seats in the NW and Midlands to the Cons, and in the scotland , the south, university towns and the west to the LDs.
    Have the odds shortened?

    Pretty sure I've seen you post that repeatedly over the last week and every time I'm pretty sure its been 5/4.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797
    TGOHF said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Parliament Vs The People

    The script is written... All Boris has to do is play his role as defender of the people and he'll be home and dry.

    Moaaaar Brexit says Jezza - day and night forever - indefinite Brexit forever.
    Or No Deal and we spend 40 years negotiating every agreement large and small from a position of zero power and desperation...
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Bebb on BBC News sweating like a blind rapist at a fishmongers.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072
    HYUFD said:

    egg said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is excellent tactics by Boris, tonight in prime time on BBC1 and ITV and the news channels all the coverage was of Boris promising to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal and of Corbyn committing to try and ban No Deal Brexit and extend again, costing him potentially millions of Labour Leave voters in the process whether to the Tories or the Brexit Party

    If that is true, and I’m not saying it isn’t, is it important to now secure that election soonest to cash in on the moment? How long does such a moment last until it’s replaced by another moment, such as the moment Boris will find himself in next month if there isn’t a GE?
    Boris will propose an election tomorrow, he is no coward, Corbyn may well be though
    God this is delicious. Could you be more rattled?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pm4eastren should have went with Rebel rather than supine surrender.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,267
    viewcode said:

    I've been having fun all day. I just got back in. It appears something has happened of great import. I would ask you to describe it but I suspect by the time you finished writing it will have changed again. I shall just assume its a massive clusterfuck and go on from there... :(


    Spot on
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    I think either he will accept the bill in return for GE Oct 15 or if consent is required threaten no consent without GE, against Corbyns No GE without bill
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,340
    edited September 2019
    dr_spyn said:
    The bike is Brexit
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,093
    Pro_Rata said:

    Hubris leads to Nemesis.

    High speed rail now connects Hubris and Nemesis in record time. A Grayling success story.
    On this point, tonight's Parliamentary dramas have buried the news that HS2 will take until 2038 and cost as much as the country has spent on roads in the last decade.

    4% of a year's GDP to get from Birmingham to Euston reentry minutes quicker.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,598

    Andrea Leadsom to believe that Pathetic Bunter has folded on removing the whip from the Tory rebellion.

    Absolutely first class bottling by Bottler Billy Bunter, Mug Punter.

    He hasnt folded.

    It is tactics. Do you really not understand that?!
    LOL
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,052

    HYUFD said:


    Foxy said:

    Byronic said:

    How long can Corbyn credibly resist the offer of a cleansing election? Not long. Mere days, I suggest.

    As long as A50 is extended or revoked first, bring it on.

    Bozo, Cummings and Lord Snooty have managed to make Jezza look like a statesman. Tough job, well done!
    They have actually made Jezza look far from the voice of the people a la 2017 but now the voice of the establishment defying the will of the people. He will never recover from tonight in Leave areas in the North and Midlands
    Quite.

    Corbyn has no chance of getting close to a majority now. Odds on a Con maj have shortened over the last 24 hours.

    I think we could be looking at a Lab wipeout. Losing seats in the NW and Midlands to the Cons, and in the scotland , the south, university towns and the west to the LDs.
    His polling has gone up significantly over the last week. It will go up further in an election. Remainers are a forgiving bunch.

    Bit of tactical voting and luvverly jubbly.
  • HYUFD said:

    Siri - what does privileged, arrogant, entitlement look like?
    https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1168980398166237185?s=21

    No, Rees Mogg a Patriot unlike MPs like Turley showing true arrogance, entitlement, disrespect and contempt for the will of the people

    Rees Mogg has no notion of true patriotism. He is the richest, most privileged cartoon character in the world.

  • TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    So not close after all. Maybe 12 Tories voting against the government? But we have a resolution under the FTPA which the opposition are not going to vote for. This farce stopped being funny longer ago than Monty Python.

    Edit 21. Blimey. Completely ungovernable.

    If only anyone had had any thoughts on June 2016 that this might happen.
    Back then we thought we’d avoided chaos with Ed Milliband
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 40,950
    HYUFD said:

    egg said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is excellent tactics by Boris, tonight in prime time on BBC1 and ITV and the news channels all the coverage was of Boris promising to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal and of Corbyn committing to try and ban No Deal Brexit and extend again, costing him potentially millions of Labour Leave voters in the process whether to the Tories or the Brexit Party

    If that is true, and I’m not saying it isn’t, is it important to now secure that election soonest to cash in on the moment? How long does such a moment last until it’s replaced by another moment, such as the moment Boris will find himself in next month if there isn’t a GE?
    Boris will propose an election tomorrow, he is no coward, Corbyn may well be though
    Whether Boris is a coward or not he is a lying piece of shit which will inform people's actions tomorrow.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    This may be a minority view on here but I think in a GE campaign Corbyn would run rings round Johnson. Tonite's exhibition rather confirmed that belief.

    Too soon to tell. Certainly today has been baaaaaad for Boris. But he can argue his wicket was stickier than a sticky bun stuck to a stick insect etc

    Nonetheless this is, finally, a true test for Boris. He wanted to be PM. Even at this terrible time. He believes he can carry it off.

    Cometh the hour...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:


    Foxy said:

    Byronic said:

    How long can Corbyn credibly resist the offer of a cleansing election? Not long. Mere days, I suggest.

    As long as A50 is extended or revoked first, bring it on.

    Bozo, Cummings and Lord Snooty have managed to make Jezza look like a statesman. Tough job, well done!
    They have actually made Jezza look far from the voice of the people a la 2017 but now the voice of the establishment defying the will of the people
    This is the what the entitled establishment looks like:

    https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1168980398166237185?s=20
    The entitled establishment has again defied the will of the people tonight but their day of reckoning will soon be coming!!!
    What will you do if the people re-elect the entitled establishment?
    What will you do if they don't?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,263
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:
    Corbyn the Marxist now on the side of Parliament's establishment against the people...

    What would Tony Bean have said about that...
    The Marxist meme has always been slightly off-target for Corbyn. He's had decades of opportunity to peel off from parliamentary politics and join a fringe party, but he's doggedly stuck to his line - socialism via parliamentary democracy. It's always seemed quixotic - now...maybe less so.
  • HYUFD said:

    egg said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is excellent tactics by Boris, tonight in prime time on BBC1 and ITV and the news channels all the coverage was of Boris promising to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal and of Corbyn committing to try and ban No Deal Brexit and extend again, costing him potentially millions of Labour Leave voters in the process whether to the Tories or the Brexit Party

    If that is true, and I’m not saying it isn’t, is it important to now secure that election soonest to cash in on the moment? How long does such a moment last until it’s replaced by another moment, such as the moment Boris will find himself in next month if there isn’t a GE?
    Boris will propose an election tomorrow, he is no coward, Corbyn may well be though
    If he was a man of honour he would resign after losing a vote of confidence as past PMs have done.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,267

    I think either he will accept the bill in return for GE Oct 15 or if consent is required threaten no consent without GE, against Corbyns No GE without bill

    Doesn't our whole constitution depend on the monarch always assenting to bills passed by Parliament?

    Given the protests already seen over prorogation what will we see if assent is withheld?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:


    Foxy said:

    Byronic said:

    How long can Corbyn credibly resist the offer of a cleansing election? Not long. Mere days, I suggest.

    As long as A50 is extended or revoked first, bring it on.

    Bozo, Cummings and Lord Snooty have managed to make Jezza look like a statesman. Tough job, well done!
    They have actually made Jezza look far from the voice of the people a la 2017 but now the voice of the establishment defying the will of the people
    This is the what the entitled establishment looks like:

    https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1168980398166237185?s=20
    The entitled establishment has again defied the will of the people tonight but their day of reckoning will soon be coming!!!
    What will you do if the people re-elect the entitled establishment?
    What will you do if they don't?
    Nothing. I have low expectations.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    dr_spyn said:
    The aides were worried Jegzy was about to throw some coins in Cummings' cap.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    The public don't want an election. Why would Corbyn be punished by them for not forcing one on us? It's very easy to justify by saying that the PMs Rasputin advisor can't be trusted not to sneak a no deal brexit on us. Once we deal with that, sure let's have an election. This idea that he is 'frit' won't hold up, its just something Boris acolytes will say to try and shift the narrative.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,232
    edited September 2019
    GIN1138 said:

    I think Boris is getting a sharp lesson tonight in not having it all his own way.

    His disdain for people whose votes he needs has resulted in a worse-than-inevitable defeat in the HoC, which may be a useful take-out for him ahead of a general election campaign. He’ll probably have most of the (sizeable) Farage crowd eating from his hand, but a lot of moderate, business-minded people will not feel obliged to meet him halfway.

    Meanwhile, the HoC looks like treating him in much the way a cat does a captive mouse. Not willing to kill him off because it gets more utility from a still-wriggling near-corpse.

    Again this must have been entirely expected from the moment he started talking about "do or die" on 31st October. Sooner or later it was going to come to the crunch when this Parliament would vote to take no deal of the table.

    If he'd wanted to compromise he could have done. This is entirely what was expected to happen and its now Parliament Vs The Poeple and Parliament has written his script for him.
    No, I think Boris and Cummings have been outplayed. Remember, they initially boasted they could game the VONC by using the FTPA to schedule the general election after the Brexit date. But the MPs chose another route to prevent No Deal. Cummings was just hopelessly out of his depth amid the intricacies of parliamentary procedure - it was like asking a Dungeons and Dragons enthusiast to write a thesis on palaeontology.
  • Yesterday's Dead Cat was a Live Puppy.

    Today it is a Horizontal Moggster.

    What is Cumstain's Master Strategy for tomorrow? Raab showing his arse in Binn's window?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,279
    add him to the list...

    https://twitter.com/Williamw1/status/1169004688643149824

    of MPs standing down.
  • dr_spyn said:
    Well, it was bad manners of Mr Cummings to upset Grandpa when he has been up late and unable to visit his allotment all day.

    Corbyn as PM.... dear God in Heaven... but by comparison to the bumbling buffoon we currently have, it may be our only option.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Can we please have an election so that we have resolution one way or another.

    A GE atm would see us right back to where we started ie stalemate.
    Most likely not. The parties this time around would be elected under such terms that one has to consider it likely that a majority either to prosecute Brexit or to wriggle out of it would emerge.
    Jezza still gets to befuddle. Vote for us for a Labour deal.
    If there's a Labour majority then we'll all have more important things to worry about than Brexit! In any event, you can imagine their endgame being a second referendum under loaded terms (Labour's very much like May's deal versus Remain,) and if Labour's well short of a majority - which seems far more likely - then they'll have to rely on the SNP and/or Lib Dems and an unpicking of Brexit, one way or another, is guaranteed.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,761
    viewcode said:

    I've been having fun all day. I just got back in. It appears something has happened of great import. I would ask you to describe it but I suspect by the time you finished writing it will have changed again. I shall just assume its a massive clusterfuck and go on from there... :(

    That pretty much covers it. Our political class strikes again.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    He's lost his majority and he's lost his vote. What does a PM have to do to get the boot around here?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,263
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Andrea Leadsom to believe that Pathetic Bunter has folded on removing the whip from the Tory rebellion.

    Absolutely first class bottling by Bottler Billy Bunter, Mug Punter.

    He hasnt folded.

    It is tactics. Do you really not understand that?!
    I usually deprecate foul language, but I am pretty certain I speak for the vast majority of the PB community in inviting you to fuck off.

    Permanently.
    Nah, Basicbridge can be irritating for those like me not of his viewpoint, but he's not broken the site rules and we need some hard Brexiteers here to maintain the range of opinion. Yes, I know we've got Byronic, but he's a bit of a moveable feast - which makes him fun to read but not really a champion of True Brexit.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,267

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    So not close after all. Maybe 12 Tories voting against the government? But we have a resolution under the FTPA which the opposition are not going to vote for. This farce stopped being funny longer ago than Monty Python.

    Edit 21. Blimey. Completely ungovernable.

    If only anyone had had any thoughts on June 2016 that this might happen.
    Back then we thought we’d avoided chaos with Ed Milliband
    Speak for yourself!
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Byronic said:

    This may be a minority view on here but I think in a GE campaign Corbyn would run rings round Johnson. Tonite's exhibition rather confirmed that belief.

    Too soon to tell. Certainly today has been baaaaaad for Boris. But he can argue his wicket was stickier than a sticky bun stuck to a stick insect etc

    Nonetheless this is, finally, a true test for Boris. He wanted to be PM. Even at this terrible time. He believes he can carry it off.

    Cometh the hour...
    Boris will do nothing until we have had a few days of Jezza saying he’s frit.

    Don’t interrupt magic grandpa when he’s digging his grave.
  • This may be a minority view on here but I think in a GE campaign Corbyn would run rings round Johnson. Tonite's exhibition rather confirmed that belief.

    Incredible, isn't it?

  • Ishmael_Z said:

    Andrea Leadsom to believe that Pathetic Bunter has folded on removing the whip from the Tory rebellion.

    Absolutely first class bottling by Bottler Billy Bunter, Mug Punter.

    He hasnt folded.

    It is tactics. Do you really not understand that?!
    I usually deprecate foul language, but I am pretty certain I speak for the vast majority of the PB community in inviting you to fuck off.

    Permanently.
    Nah, Basicbridge can be irritating for those like me not of his viewpoint, but he's not broken the site rules and we need some hard Brexiteers here to maintain the range of opinion. Yes, I know we've got Byronic, but he's a bit of a moveable feast - which makes him fun to read but not really a champion of True Brexit.
    I voted remain
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,267
    Byronic said:

    This may be a minority view on here but I think in a GE campaign Corbyn would run rings round Johnson. Tonite's exhibition rather confirmed that belief.

    Too soon to tell. Certainly today has been baaaaaad for Boris. But he can argue his wicket was stickier than a sticky bun stuck to a stick insect etc

    Nonetheless this is, finally, a true test for Boris. He wanted to be PM. Even at this terrible time. He believes he can carry it off.

    Cometh the hour...

    Boris might argue that his wicket has been sticky but that's mainly because he pissed all over it himself.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    I think either he will accept the bill in return for GE Oct 15 or if consent is required threaten no consent without GE, against Corbyns No GE without bill

    Doesn't our whole constitution depend on the monarch always assenting to bills passed by Parliament?

    Given the protests already seen over prorogation what will we see if assent is withheld?
    Not assent, consent. If a bill affects the royal prerogative it requires royal consent to reach the end of the parliamentary process which must be proposed by a minister. Assent is rubber stamping something that's passed all 3 readings etc
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    And to think we've still got the court verdict on the prorogation to come tomorrow.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,766
    Re JRM. There's no speaker for him to listen in the corner of the chair. If you look closely at images of the chamber the speakers are the petal type design that occur at regular intervals, but they aren't at the beginning or end of the benches.
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268
    How long will the EU decide to put in an extension for? If parliament won't remove Boris, what is the penalty for him playing a wrecking role in the EU?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695
    dr_spyn said:
    Sounds like Team Boris are very relaxed about tonight's developments then lol!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072
    Boris has done the unthinkable with his constitutional games - he’s kickstarted the unification of the left.
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    edited September 2019
    I'll say one thing for David Cameron - and I don't say much complimentary - his selfishness and idiocy is bringing about the destruction of the Tory party, and for that he deserves a knighthood.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,911
    isam said:

    How many times has Jezza called for a GE since June 2017?

    Calling for an election is one thing, calling for that is timed to get Cummings / Johnson out of an almighty hole is something else entirely.

    Cumming's whole strategy has been to goad parliament into an election that he can try and frame as people v parliament. A vital part of that strategy is to have it over and done with before the sh1t hits the fan on Oct 31st. I don't blame any of the opposition parties for letting him off the hook.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,052

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Can we please have an election so that we have resolution one way or another.

    A GE atm would see us right back to where we started ie stalemate.
    Most likely not. The parties this time around would be elected under such terms that one has to consider it likely that a majority either to prosecute Brexit or to wriggle out of it would emerge.
    Jezza still gets to befuddle. Vote for us for a Labour deal.
    If there's a Labour majority then we'll all have more important things to worry about than Brexit! In any event, you can imagine their endgame being a second referendum under loaded terms (Labour's very much like May's deal versus Remain,) and if Labour's well short of a majority - which seems far more likely - then they'll have to rely on the SNP and/or Lib Dems and an unpicking of Brexit, one way or another, is guaranteed.
    Sounds good to me! happy to push leaflets for it.
  • Roger said:

    He's lost his majority and he's lost his vote. What does a PM have to do to get the boot around here?

    Apparently he needs to have a Leader of the Opposition wjo is not a coward.
  • Foxy said:

    HYUFD said:


    Foxy said:

    Byronic said:

    How long can Corbyn credibly resist the offer of a cleansing election? Not long. Mere days, I suggest.

    As long as A50 is extended or revoked first, bring it on.

    Bozo, Cummings and Lord Snooty have managed to make Jezza look like a statesman. Tough job, well done!
    They have actually made Jezza look far from the voice of the people a la 2017 but now the voice of the establishment defying the will of the people. He will never recover from tonight in Leave areas in the North and Midlands
    Quite.

    Corbyn has no chance of getting close to a majority now. Odds on a Con maj have shortened over the last 24 hours.

    I think we could be looking at a Lab wipeout. Losing seats in the NW and Midlands to the Cons, and in the scotland , the south, university towns and the west to the LDs.
    His polling has gone up significantly over the last week. It will go up further in an election. Remainers are a forgiving bunch.

    Bit of tactical voting and luvverly jubbly.
    Corbyn's popularity is plumbing all time lows...
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    Rory Stewart not standing at the next election
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,761

    HYUFD said:

    egg said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is excellent tactics by Boris, tonight in prime time on BBC1 and ITV and the news channels all the coverage was of Boris promising to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal and of Corbyn committing to try and ban No Deal Brexit and extend again, costing him potentially millions of Labour Leave voters in the process whether to the Tories or the Brexit Party

    If that is true, and I’m not saying it isn’t, is it important to now secure that election soonest to cash in on the moment? How long does such a moment last until it’s replaced by another moment, such as the moment Boris will find himself in next month if there isn’t a GE?
    Boris will propose an election tomorrow, he is no coward, Corbyn may well be though
    If he was a man of honour he would resign after losing a vote of confidence as past PMs have done.
    The correct response to a government losing a VoNC is an election. Just as happened in 1979. Callaghan didn’t resign. He went into that election as PM as was his right.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Boris has done the unthinkable with his constitutional games - he’s kickstarted the unification of the left.

    Against the voters..
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,267
    edited September 2019
    I suspect Gove realises he was right all along about Boris...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNWQthgwC7w
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072

    Roger said:

    He's lost his majority and he's lost his vote. What does a PM have to do to get the boot around here?

    Apparently he needs to have a Leader of the Opposition wjo is not a coward.
    The fact you’re upset means Corbyn has called this right.

    Thank god he listened to Blair.
  • Byronic said:

    Scott_P said:
    Good. If we are to have realignment, let’s get on with it. Enough faffing. WE DON’T HAVE ANY TIME LEFT
    Kaboom! Boris goes down in history as splitting the broad church conservatives.

    It will not end well in the long term.
  • dr_spyn said:

    add him to the list...

    https://twitter.com/Williamw1/status/1169004688643149824

    of MPs standing down.

    Good riddance
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    Boris has done the unthinkable with his constitutional games - he’s kickstarted the unification of the left.

    No he has kickstarted the reunification of the Leave vote while the Remain vote still remains split down the middle
  • glwglw Posts: 9,535
    edited September 2019

    Roger said:

    He's lost his majority and he's lost his vote. What does a PM have to do to get the boot around here?

    Apparently he needs to have a Leader of the Opposition wjo is not a coward.
    I loathe Corbyn, but why should he make things easier for Boris or harder for his own party? Corbyn can wait until he gets what he wants, that doesn't make him a coward, and if the sides were switched the Tories would do the same.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,598

    Laughable
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,263
    TGOHF said:

    Bebb on BBC News sweating like a blind rapist at a fishmongers.

    Eh?
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237
    Drutt said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Hubris leads to Nemesis.

    High speed rail now connects Hubris and Nemesis in record time. A Grayling success story.
    On this point, tonight's Parliamentary dramas have buried the news that HS2 will take until 2038 and cost as much as the country has spent on roads in the last decade.

    4% of a year's GDP to get from Birmingham to Euston reentry minutes quicker.
    Utterly beggars belief that it takes 20 years to build a railway. The French built a longer one to Strasbourg in 7.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072
    HYUFD said:

    Boris has done the unthinkable with his constitutional games - he’s kickstarted the unification of the left.

    No he has kickstarted the reunification of the Leave vote while the Remain vote still remains split down the middle
    Whatever you say mate.
  • Is it time to open the book on the next Tory leader?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    HYUFD said:

    Siri - what does privileged, arrogant, entitlement look like?
    https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1168980398166237185?s=21

    No, Rees Mogg a Patriot unlike MPs like Turley showing true arrogance, entitlement, disrespect and contempt for the will of the people

    Rees Mogg has no notion of true patriotism. He is the richest, most privileged cartoon character in the world.

    Rees Mogg now has far more in common with the average working class Leave voter than the likes of you do
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,072
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Siri - what does privileged, arrogant, entitlement look like?
    https://twitter.com/annaturley/status/1168980398166237185?s=21

    No, Rees Mogg a Patriot unlike MPs like Turley showing true arrogance, entitlement, disrespect and contempt for the will of the people

    Rees Mogg has no notion of true patriotism. He is the richest, most privileged cartoon character in the world.

    Rees Mogg now has far more in common with the average working class Leave voter than the likes of you do
    Beyond parody.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Nice to see plenty of Palestinian flags mixing with the EU ones outside parliament.

    Interesting bedfellows.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Whip to be removed from rebels
    Government sources have confirmed to the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg that all 21 Conservative rebels are having the whip removed.

    Removing the whip effectively means expelling the MPs from the parliamentary party."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-49557734
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    Byronic said:

    Scott_P said:
    Good. If we are to have realignment, let’s get on with it. Enough faffing. WE DON’T HAVE ANY TIME LEFT
    Kaboom! Boris goes down in history as splitting the broad church conservatives.

    It will not end well in the long term.
    I’d be delighted if you showed me the obvious road to an outcome that isn’t terrible “in the long term”
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,761

    Rory Stewart not standing at the next election

    Regrettable but inevitable. They all need to go, they really do.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 19,598
    Rory Stewart!

    TGOHF’s laughable prediction last night just gets worse and worse and worse.
  • eekeek Posts: 24,797

    Yesterday's Dead Cat was a Live Puppy.

    Today it is a Horizontal Moggster.

    What is Cumstain's Master Strategy for tomorrow? Raab showing his arse in Binn's window?

    Can he do it in Boro please, the Darlington Binns was recently refurbished.
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