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  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    spudgfsh said:

    Just to say!

    Talking to a bloke in a Halifax in a pub. He would vote to remain! I will see what others think...

    when he said he'd vote to remain, was that to remain in the pub?
    No, He was against Brexit! He said it would limit his travel and immigrants would depress his wage as non-EU immigrants would depress his earning potential!
  • chloechloe Posts: 302
    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 3,898

    Austerity update:

    Britons are spending more on a night out than at any point in the last three years, a survey suggests.

    Club and bar chain Deltic found the average person spent £70.69 on a night out in the three months to September.

    That is up 25% on the same period last year and the highest since October 2016 when the survey began.

    Deltic surveyed 2,300 people about all sorts of nights out, including trips to the cinema, restaurants, pubs and nightclubs.

    The survey found that during the three months to the end of September, 61% of people went on a night out at least once a week, up from 56.2% last year.

    Spending increased on every component of the evening - from drinks at home and transport, to entry fees, food and alcohol bought at venues.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49873533

    Possibly not the most 'scientific' of surveys but it does show that many, many people are doing very well currently.

    Or at least spending in that way.

    A bit of both. Quite a lot of people are actually still doing well. Plenty of others pretend that they are with the aid of forgiving credit card providers.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 21,190

    Austerity update:

    Britons are spending more on a night out than at any point in the last three years, a survey suggests.

    Club and bar chain Deltic found the average person spent £70.69 on a night out in the three months to September.

    That is up 25% on the same period last year and the highest since October 2016 when the survey began.

    Deltic surveyed 2,300 people about all sorts of nights out, including trips to the cinema, restaurants, pubs and nightclubs.

    The survey found that during the three months to the end of September, 61% of people went on a night out at least once a week, up from 56.2% last year.

    Spending increased on every component of the evening - from drinks at home and transport, to entry fees, food and alcohol bought at venues.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49873533

    Possibly not the most 'scientific' of surveys but it does show that many, many people are doing very well currently.

    Or at least spending in that way.

    *cough* household debt *cough*
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 2,558
    edited September 30
    chloe said:

    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.

    That was a very clever piece of matching. Lots of Labour votes to pick up as well.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 11,276

    Austerity update:

    Britons are spending more on a night out than at any point in the last three years, a survey suggests.

    Club and bar chain Deltic found the average person spent £70.69 on a night out in the three months to September.

    That is up 25% on the same period last year and the highest since October 2016 when the survey began.

    Deltic surveyed 2,300 people about all sorts of nights out, including trips to the cinema, restaurants, pubs and nightclubs.

    The survey found that during the three months to the end of September, 61% of people went on a night out at least once a week, up from 56.2% last year.

    Spending increased on every component of the evening - from drinks at home and transport, to entry fees, food and alcohol bought at venues.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49873533

    Possibly not the most 'scientific' of surveys but it does show that many, many people are doing very well currently.

    Or at least spending in that way.

    I am not saying this is necessarily true but those survey numbers could result from people who previously didn't spend much no longer being able to afford to go out, thus causing the average spend amongst those still going out to rise.
  • He’s a habitual liar.
    Well if society rewards lying with becoming PM or president why wouldnt an ambitious politician become a habitual liar, rather than an occasional one. The habitual one gets a pass for anything, the occasional ones get sacked when they are caught.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 1,819

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    This might be more appropriate.

    https://archive.cartoons.ac.uk/GetMultimedia.ashx?db=Catalog&type=default&fname=LSE4323.jpg
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 4,307
    edited September 30

    Austerity update:

    Britons are spending more on a night out than at any point in the last three years, a survey suggests.

    Club and bar chain Deltic found the average person spent £70.69 on a night out in the three months to September.

    That is up 25% on the same period last year and the highest since October 2016 when the survey began.

    Deltic surveyed 2,300 people about all sorts of nights out, including trips to the cinema, restaurants, pubs and nightclubs.

    The survey found that during the three months to the end of September, 61% of people went on a night out at least once a week, up from 56.2% last year.

    Spending increased on every component of the evening - from drinks at home and transport, to entry fees, food and alcohol bought at venues.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49873533

    Possibly not the most 'scientific' of surveys but it does show that many, many people are doing very well currently.

    Or at least spending in that way.

    More likely realizing that they may as well enjoy life rather than save for that deposit which is beyond them or whatever maybe life’s to short
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,033
    spudgfsh said:

    Somebody can check my Maths but my workings are Con L/R split 70:30,
    Con got 42.4% in 2017. So 33% of 30% is 10%. So overall 4..2% is added to the LD score. This was 7.4% in 2017, so where is the rest of the LD bounce coming from and this remainer part is the largest. Well can only be the trots.

    it doesn't take maths to work that one out. just look at the overall numbers for Labour and compare it to the last GE. They've lost anywhere between 17 and 20% in vote share. those votes are not going Tory but LD / Green / SNP / PC
    Yes but it also illustrates that the headline 33% of Troy Remainer Voters means that it does very little damage to the Torys. Unless the tory remain vote is concentrated in certain seats it will not mean Lib Dem victories in Tory land,

    PS I by mistake hit the offtopic button on your post, I apologise for my fat fingers.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,334
    chloe said:

    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.

    We are getting a lot from the Lib Dems in Streatham as well. Even though Chuka has decamped and the LDs are running a new and unknown candidate.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,979
    Nigelb said:

    Just to say!

    Talking to a bloke in a Halifax in a pub. He would vote to remain! I will see what others think...

    How many Halifaxes are there ?
    (I’m aware of the Canadian one, but still.)

    Or did he bring his WWII bomber in with him ?
    Halifax bomber!

    They wasted large parts of Germany!

    It meant a shorter WW11!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 11,276

    spudgfsh said:

    Somebody can check my Maths but my workings are Con L/R split 70:30,
    Con got 42.4% in 2017. So 33% of 30% is 10%. So overall 4..2% is added to the LD score. This was 7.4% in 2017, so where is the rest of the LD bounce coming from and this remainer part is the largest. Well can only be the trots.

    it doesn't take maths to work that one out. just look at the overall numbers for Labour and compare it to the last GE. They've lost anywhere between 17 and 20% in vote share. those votes are not going Tory but LD / Green / SNP / PC
    Yes but it also illustrates that the headline 33% of Troy Remainer Voters means that it does very little damage to the Torys. Unless the tory remain vote is concentrated in certain seats it will not mean Lib Dem victories in Tory land,

    PS I by mistake hit the offtopic button on your post, I apologise for my fat fingers.
    Those Troy Remainers have been on something of an odyssey. :wink:
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 1,885

    Nigelb said:

    Just to say!

    Talking to a bloke in a Halifax in a pub. He would vote to remain! I will see what others think...

    How many Halifaxes are there ?
    (I’m aware of the Canadian one, but still.)

    Or did he bring his WWII bomber in with him ?
    Halifax bomber!

    They wasted large parts of Germany!

    It meant a shorter WW11!
    11? Are there 9 I have missed?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 3,162
    edited September 30

    Austerity update:

    Britons are spending more on a night out than at any point in the last three years, a survey suggests.

    Club and bar chain Deltic found the average person spent £70.69 on a night out in the three months to September.

    That is up 25% on the same period last year and the highest since October 2016 when the survey began.

    Deltic surveyed 2,300 people about all sorts of nights out, including trips to the cinema, restaurants, pubs and nightclubs.

    The survey found that during the three months to the end of September, 61% of people went on a night out at least once a week, up from 56.2% last year.

    Spending increased on every component of the evening - from drinks at home and transport, to entry fees, food and alcohol bought at venues.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49873533

    Possibly not the most 'scientific' of surveys but it does show that many, many people are doing very well currently.

    Or at least spending in that way.

    If this is a median answer it is way over what I would expect. Or is the cost for a couple or perhaps for big nights out rather than an average night out. No way the median average person spends that on an average night out.

    Of course it could be marketing from a leisure chain encouraging people to spend more or be seen as tight, which lazy bbc journalists report as news.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,008

    spudgfsh said:

    Somebody can check my Maths but my workings are Con L/R split 70:30,
    Con got 42.4% in 2017. So 33% of 30% is 10%. So overall 4..2% is added to the LD score. This was 7.4% in 2017, so where is the rest of the LD bounce coming from and this remainer part is the largest. Well can only be the trots.

    it doesn't take maths to work that one out. just look at the overall numbers for Labour and compare it to the last GE. They've lost anywhere between 17 and 20% in vote share. those votes are not going Tory but LD / Green / SNP / PC
    Yes but it also illustrates that the headline 33% of Troy Remainer Voters means that it does very little damage to the Torys. Unless the tory remain vote is concentrated in certain seats it will not mean Lib Dem victories in Tory land,

    PS I by mistake hit the offtopic button on your post, I apologise for my fat fingers.
    Hit it a second time to undo your off topic fat finger damage.
  • chloechloe Posts: 302

    chloe said:

    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.

    That was a very clever piece of matching. Lots of Labour votes to pick up as well.
    I understand that Labour’s candidate has stepped down after a bit of controversy.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 11,276

    Nigelb said:

    Just to say!

    Talking to a bloke in a Halifax in a pub. He would vote to remain! I will see what others think...

    How many Halifaxes are there ?
    (I’m aware of the Canadian one, but still.)

    Or did he bring his WWII bomber in with him ?
    Halifax bomber!

    They wasted large parts of Germany!

    It meant a shorter WW11!
    11? Are there 9 I have missed?
    Tbf he did mention he was in the pub in Halifax - the Black Sheep is obviously flowing. :lol:
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 1,885

    Nigelb said:

    Just to say!

    Talking to a bloke in a Halifax in a pub. He would vote to remain! I will see what others think...

    How many Halifaxes are there ?
    (I’m aware of the Canadian one, but still.)

    Or did he bring his WWII bomber in with him ?
    Halifax bomber!

    They wasted large parts of Germany!

    It meant a shorter WW11!
    11? Are there 9 I have missed?
    Tbf he did mention he was in the pub in Halifax - the Black Sheep is obviously flowing. :lol:
    SeanT? :D:D
  • Austerity update:

    Britons are spending more on a night out than at any point in the last three years, a survey suggests.

    Club and bar chain Deltic found the average person spent £70.69 on a night out in the three months to September.

    That is up 25% on the same period last year and the highest since October 2016 when the survey began.

    Deltic surveyed 2,300 people about all sorts of nights out, including trips to the cinema, restaurants, pubs and nightclubs.

    The survey found that during the three months to the end of September, 61% of people went on a night out at least once a week, up from 56.2% last year.

    Spending increased on every component of the evening - from drinks at home and transport, to entry fees, food and alcohol bought at venues.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49873533

    Possibly not the most 'scientific' of surveys but it does show that many, many people are doing very well currently.

    Or at least spending in that way.

    I am not saying this is necessarily true but those survey numbers could result from people who previously didn't spend much no longer being able to afford to go out, thus causing the average spend amongst those still going out to rise.
    That might be a factor.

    There are certainly people struggling but, for example, the great horde of oldies who regularly eat out is something which didn't happen a generation ago.
  • chloechloe Posts: 302

    chloe said:

    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.

    We are getting a lot from the Lib Dems in Streatham as well. Even though Chuka has decamped and the LDs are running a new and unknown candidate.
    Has Chuka been selected for a seat elsewhere?
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 890

    spudgfsh said:

    Somebody can check my Maths but my workings are Con L/R split 70:30,
    Con got 42.4% in 2017. So 33% of 30% is 10%. So overall 4..2% is added to the LD score. This was 7.4% in 2017, so where is the rest of the LD bounce coming from and this remainer part is the largest. Well can only be the trots.

    it doesn't take maths to work that one out. just look at the overall numbers for Labour and compare it to the last GE. They've lost anywhere between 17 and 20% in vote share. those votes are not going Tory but LD / Green / SNP / PC
    Yes but it also illustrates that the headline 33% of Troy Remainer Voters means that it does very little damage to the Torys. Unless the tory remain vote is concentrated in certain seats it will not mean Lib Dem victories in Tory land,

    PS I by mistake hit the offtopic button on your post, I apologise for my fat fingers.
    the remain vote isn't what could hurt the tories. it's the brexit flank which could do more damage. I can't predict what'll happen at the next election though. it's a shake-em-up election. both Tory and Labour are losing LOTS of voters it just depends on where and who to.

    we all suffer from FFS every so often.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,028

    Austerity update:

    Britons are spending more on a night out than at any point in the last three years, a survey suggests.

    Club and bar chain Deltic found the average person spent £70.69 on a night out in the three months to September.

    That is up 25% on the same period last year and the highest since October 2016 when the survey began.

    Deltic surveyed 2,300 people about all sorts of nights out, including trips to the cinema, restaurants, pubs and nightclubs.

    The survey found that during the three months to the end of September, 61% of people went on a night out at least once a week, up from 56.2% last year.

    Spending increased on every component of the evening - from drinks at home and transport, to entry fees, food and alcohol bought at venues.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49873533

    Possibly not the most 'scientific' of surveys but it does show that many, many people are doing very well currently.

    Or at least spending in that way.


    I've had a couple of evenings in the pub with a friends recently and I don't think any of us got through more than £20 (four beers, some chips). Really looking forward to this £170 Leo Sayer All Dayer to get back up to the average.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 1,885

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 3,898
    chloe said:

    chloe said:

    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.

    We are getting a lot from the Lib Dems in Streatham as well. Even though Chuka has decamped and the LDs are running a new and unknown candidate.
    Has Chuka been selected for a seat elsewhere?
    Cities of London and Westminster
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 11,276

    Austerity update:

    Britons are spending more on a night out than at any point in the last three years, a survey suggests.

    Club and bar chain Deltic found the average person spent £70.69 on a night out in the three months to September.

    That is up 25% on the same period last year and the highest since October 2016 when the survey began.

    Deltic surveyed 2,300 people about all sorts of nights out, including trips to the cinema, restaurants, pubs and nightclubs.

    The survey found that during the three months to the end of September, 61% of people went on a night out at least once a week, up from 56.2% last year.

    Spending increased on every component of the evening - from drinks at home and transport, to entry fees, food and alcohol bought at venues.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49873533

    Possibly not the most 'scientific' of surveys but it does show that many, many people are doing very well currently.

    Or at least spending in that way.

    I am not saying this is necessarily true but those survey numbers could result from people who previously didn't spend much no longer being able to afford to go out, thus causing the average spend amongst those still going out to rise.
    That might be a factor.

    There are certainly people struggling but, for example, the great horde of oldies who regularly eat out is something which didn't happen a generation ago.
    Spending those ever-increasing triple lock pensions before Jezza brings in 100% inheritance tax? :wink:
  • eekeek Posts: 6,444

    Austerity update:

    Britons are spending more on a night out than at any point in the last three years, a survey suggests.

    Club and bar chain Deltic found the average person spent £70.69 on a night out in the three months to September.

    That is up 25% on the same period last year and the highest since October 2016 when the survey began.

    Deltic surveyed 2,300 people about all sorts of nights out, including trips to the cinema, restaurants, pubs and nightclubs.

    The survey found that during the three months to the end of September, 61% of people went on a night out at least once a week, up from 56.2% last year.

    Spending increased on every component of the evening - from drinks at home and transport, to entry fees, food and alcohol bought at venues.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49873533

    Possibly not the most 'scientific' of surveys but it does show that many, many people are doing very well currently.

    Or at least spending in that way.

    I am not saying this is necessarily true but those survey numbers could result from people who previously didn't spend much no longer being able to afford to go out, thus causing the average spend amongst those still going out to rise.
    That might be a factor.

    There are certainly people struggling but, for example, the great horde of oldies who regularly eat out is something which didn't happen a generation ago.
    Spending those ever-increasing triple lock pensions before Jezza brings in 100% inheritance tax? :wink:
    If inheritance tax is set at 100% they will be spending it even quicker...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 11,276

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    The lying liar lies again. I'd be more surprised if a journalist caught him telling the truth.
  • nichomar said:

    Austerity update:

    Britons are spending more on a night out than at any point in the last three years, a survey suggests.

    Club and bar chain Deltic found the average person spent £70.69 on a night out in the three months to September.

    That is up 25% on the same period last year and the highest since October 2016 when the survey began.

    Deltic surveyed 2,300 people about all sorts of nights out, including trips to the cinema, restaurants, pubs and nightclubs.

    The survey found that during the three months to the end of September, 61% of people went on a night out at least once a week, up from 56.2% last year.

    Spending increased on every component of the evening - from drinks at home and transport, to entry fees, food and alcohol bought at venues.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49873533

    Possibly not the most 'scientific' of surveys but it does show that many, many people are doing very well currently.

    Or at least spending in that way.

    More likely realizing that they may as well enjoy life rather than save for that deposit which is beyond them or whatever maybe life’s to short
    It might be interesting to have data on how consumer spending varies according to the housing affordability of an area.

    Not only would you have more incentive to save towards a deposit where housing is affordable but it must be psychologically depressing (and so more likely to seek immediate pleasures) to live someone when you are never likely to buy a house.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 11,276

    chloe said:

    chloe said:

    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.

    We are getting a lot from the Lib Dems in Streatham as well. Even though Chuka has decamped and the LDs are running a new and unknown candidate.
    Has Chuka been selected for a seat elsewhere?
    Cities of London and Westminster
    I hadn't spotted that. Quite a brave move but who knows, it could pay off.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 27,941

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 30,319

    spudgfsh said:

    Somebody can check my Maths but my workings are Con L/R split 70:30,
    Con got 42.4% in 2017. So 33% of 30% is 10%. So overall 4..2% is added to the LD score. This was 7.4% in 2017, so where is the rest of the LD bounce coming from and this remainer part is the largest. Well can only be the trots.

    it doesn't take maths to work that one out. just look at the overall numbers for Labour and compare it to the last GE. They've lost anywhere between 17 and 20% in vote share. those votes are not going Tory but LD / Green / SNP / PC
    Yes but it also illustrates that the headline 33% of Troy Remainer Voters means that it does very little damage to the Torys. Unless the tory remain vote is concentrated in certain seats it will not mean Lib Dem victories in Tory land,

    PS I by mistake hit the offtopic button on your post, I apologise for my fat fingers.
    Those Troy Remainers have been on something of an odyssey. :wink:
    Hittite out the park....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 65,532

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Did any PBer vote Brexit Party in the European elections given they came first and the LDs were second?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 56,430
    chloe said:

    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.

    If the Lib Dems are targeting an area you'll get tonnes of bumpf through the letter box.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 11,276

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Are you implying we're not representative of the country at large?!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 22,751

    Austerity update:

    Britons are spending more on a night out than at any point in the last three years, a survey suggests.

    Club and bar chain Deltic found the average person spent £70.69 on a night out in the three months to September.

    That is up 25% on the same period last year and the highest since October 2016 when the survey began.

    Deltic surveyed 2,300 people about all sorts of nights out, including trips to the cinema, restaurants, pubs and nightclubs.

    The survey found that during the three months to the end of September, 61% of people went on a night out at least once a week, up from 56.2% last year.

    Spending increased on every component of the evening - from drinks at home and transport, to entry fees, food and alcohol bought at venues.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49873533

    Possibly not the most 'scientific' of surveys but it does show that many, many people are doing very well currently.

    Or at least spending in that way.

    Far fewer spending on going abroad, now that the £ is down there with the African currencies?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 65,532
    edited September 30

    Austerity update:

    Britons are spending more on a night out than at any point in the last three years, a survey suggests.

    Club and bar chain Deltic found the average person spent £70.69 on a night out in the three months to September.

    That is up 25% on the same period last year and the highest since October 2016 when the survey began.

    Deltic surveyed 2,300 people about all sorts of nights out, including trips to the cinema, restaurants, pubs and nightclubs.

    The survey found that during the three months to the end of September, 61% of people went on a night out at least once a week, up from 56.2% last year.

    Spending increased on every component of the evening - from drinks at home and transport, to entry fees, food and alcohol bought at venues.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49873533

    Possibly not the most 'scientific' of surveys but it does show that many, many people are doing very well currently.

    Or at least spending in that way.

    I am not saying this is necessarily true but those survey numbers could result from people who previously didn't spend much no longer being able to afford to go out, thus causing the average spend amongst those still going out to rise.
    That might be a factor.

    There are certainly people struggling but, for example, the great horde of oldies who regularly eat out is something which didn't happen a generation ago.
    Spending those ever-increasing triple lock pensions before Jezza brings in 100% inheritance tax? :wink:
    He would go for 100% income tax on high earners first, it would be less unpopular
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 890

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Are you implying we're not representative of the country at large?!
    We're certainly not a scientifically selected sample
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 27,941

    chloe said:

    chloe said:

    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.

    We are getting a lot from the Lib Dems in Streatham as well. Even though Chuka has decamped and the LDs are running a new and unknown candidate.
    Has Chuka been selected for a seat elsewhere?
    Cities of London and Westminster
    I hadn't spotted that. Quite a brave move but who knows, it could pay off.
    As someone with a bet on Labour to win Streatham at 6/4, I was delighted.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 30,319

    HYUFD said:

    Opinium also has 32% of 2017 Labour Remainers now voting LD and 21% of 2017 Labour Leavers now voting Tory and 37% of 2017 LD Leavers now also voting Tory.

    https://www.opinium.co.uk/political-polling-11th-september-2019-2/

    Genuine question: how many LD leavers are/were there?
    Now? 5.....
  • I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Voters who know their NI numbers off by heart?
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Interesting to see how low that number was even as late as May.

    Plenty of shit had already hit the fan by then. The difference is Boris.

    I looked at the timing of the improvement in the Lib Dems polling share and it followed very clearly their good results in first the local, and then the European, elections.

    Before the credibility gained from these good election results, people weren't willing to tell pollsters they'd vote Lib Dem. Even though when it came to it they did vote Lib Dem. Perhaps there was a cleansing effect, dispelling the legacy from the Coalition, by seeing that other people were willing to put immediate concerns above recent history.

    It predated the Conservative leadership election anyway.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 56,430

    chloe said:

    chloe said:

    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.

    We are getting a lot from the Lib Dems in Streatham as well. Even though Chuka has decamped and the LDs are running a new and unknown candidate.
    Has Chuka been selected for a seat elsewhere?
    Cities of London and Westminster
    I hadn't spotted that. Quite a brave move but who knows, it could pay off.
    As someone with a bet on Labour to win Streatham at 6/4, I was delighted.
    I'm on that one too, I've gone for the Tories in the Cities of London & Westminster mind.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 30,319
    Glad I'm watching the athletics not the footie.....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 65,532

    HYUFD said:

    Opinium also has 32% of 2017 Labour Remainers now voting LD and 21% of 2017 Labour Leavers now voting Tory and 37% of 2017 LD Leavers now also voting Tory.

    https://www.opinium.co.uk/political-polling-11th-september-2019-2/

    Genuine question: how many LD leavers are/were there?
    30% of 2015 LD voters voted Leave

    https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 22,751

    He’s a habitual liar.

    In any situation, his minds turns immediately to “what do I have to say to get out of this?”. Whether it is true or not doesn’t come into it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 65,532

    Glad I'm watching the athletics not the footie.....

    Well somebody has to looking at the empty stadium
  • Drutt said:

    Austerity update:

    Britons are spending more on a night out than at any point in the last three years, a survey suggests.

    Club and bar chain Deltic found the average person spent £70.69 on a night out in the three months to September.

    That is up 25% on the same period last year and the highest since October 2016 when the survey began.

    Deltic surveyed 2,300 people about all sorts of nights out, including trips to the cinema, restaurants, pubs and nightclubs.

    The survey found that during the three months to the end of September, 61% of people went on a night out at least once a week, up from 56.2% last year.

    Spending increased on every component of the evening - from drinks at home and transport, to entry fees, food and alcohol bought at venues.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49873533

    Possibly not the most 'scientific' of surveys but it does show that many, many people are doing very well currently.

    Or at least spending in that way.


    I've had a couple of evenings in the pub with a friends recently and I don't think any of us got through more than £20 (four beers, some chips). Really looking forward to this £170 Leo Sayer All Dayer to get back up to the average.
    £20 for four beers and some chips ???

    Without going all Monty Python you could do that for a tenner in parts of Yorkshire :wink:
  • HYUFD said:

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Did any PBer vote Brexit Party in the European elections given they came first and the LDs were second?
    I was planning on voting Brexit party for the Euros (mainly to try to symmetricise the England/Scotland vote) but was too agoraphobic on the day.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 65,532
    edited September 30

    HYUFD said:

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Did any PBer vote Brexit Party in the European elections given they came first and the LDs were second?
    I was planning on voting Brexit party for the Euros (mainly to try to symmetricise the England/Scotland vote) but was too agoraphobic on the day.
    Thanks I think the lack of an answer from most means a No, which shows how strongly Remain or anti hard Brexit PB has now become with a few exceptions
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,656
    edited September 30

    spudgfsh said:

    Byronic said:

    There'd be a shortage of champers in the UK after a 60/40 vote.

    Not in England. You over-estimate the desire in England to stay linked to the Scots, after the first indyref, and Brexit. A large minority, maybe a majority of English people would quite happily say goodbye to Scotland and Edinburgh's perceived drag on the English treasury.

    I am not one of them. I am a convinced English unionist and a happy Briton, I don't want Scotland to go, but I can see the polls on English perceptions, and I can sense the mood around me.
    There's a growing sense of English identity in a fashion which Scotland and Wales have always had. There is very little left that actually fosters a British identity anymore. Probably only the olympics?
    It's the same F-ing Island as someone once famously (to me at least) stated on PB.

    We don't need to go on marches every week like the Yessers.
    It's the Unionists that march (sometimes several times) every week round my bit, and they seem to have a deep, unnatural attachment to a part of another island.
    Glasgow is a sectarian hell-hole. It's your choice to live there. Although I admit the locals were quite friendly for the couple of pints I've had there (Blur concert)
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 27,941
    Pulpstar said:

    chloe said:

    chloe said:

    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.

    We are getting a lot from the Lib Dems in Streatham as well. Even though Chuka has decamped and the LDs are running a new and unknown candidate.
    Has Chuka been selected for a seat elsewhere?
    Cities of London and Westminster
    I hadn't spotted that. Quite a brave move but who knows, it could pay off.
    As someone with a bet on Labour to win Streatham at 6/4, I was delighted.
    I'm on that one too, I've gone for the Tories in the Cities of London & Westminster mind.
    Streatham is the only constituency bet I’ve placed. I’m not ready to place any more because politics is so volatile right now.

    When I do, I expect my default will be to back second favourites.
  • IanB2 said:

    Austerity update:

    Britons are spending more on a night out than at any point in the last three years, a survey suggests.

    Club and bar chain Deltic found the average person spent £70.69 on a night out in the three months to September.

    That is up 25% on the same period last year and the highest since October 2016 when the survey began.

    Deltic surveyed 2,300 people about all sorts of nights out, including trips to the cinema, restaurants, pubs and nightclubs.

    The survey found that during the three months to the end of September, 61% of people went on a night out at least once a week, up from 56.2% last year.

    Spending increased on every component of the evening - from drinks at home and transport, to entry fees, food and alcohol bought at venues.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49873533

    Possibly not the most 'scientific' of surveys but it does show that many, many people are doing very well currently.

    Or at least spending in that way.

    Far fewer spending on going abroad, now that the £ is down there with the African currencies?
    No shortage of that either:

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/leisureandtourism/timeseries/gmbb/ott

    And there's plenty of PBers giving accounts of their ocean cruises and travels across America.

    :smile:
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,938

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    I am torn between supporting LD and Labour to preseve a pro-EU Labour MP. It depends on the polls! I used to vote Tory but under BoJo and his extreamist stance I cannot support that!

    Which constituency?
    I would rather not say as i dont thiink it will add anything! But it is a pro-EU MP who lost his rag in the last few weeks in parlament! That to the people who follow political discourse will perhaps give a clue to my locationn? Or maybe not!
    Huddersfield!
    Yes, but not at this time! I am in halifax and to be fair have heard no political chat! But will investigate.
    Halifax is normally a Labour - leaning marginal - though Tory-held 1983 - 87 and also 1955 -64. Labour had a clear win there in 2017 - though it might be close next time.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Did anything of any note happen in the House of Commons today?
  • TGOHF2TGOHF2 Posts: 584

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Are you implying we're not representative of the country at large?!
    Er naw..
  • How high does it have to get to make any difference to the senate republicans voting? 60? 65?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 11,276
    TGOHF2 said:

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Are you implying we're not representative of the country at large?!
    Er naw..
    Shocked, I am.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 30,319
    HYUFD said:

    Glad I'm watching the athletics not the footie.....

    Well somebody has to looking at the empty stadium
    Crowd a bit better tonight. The Ethiopians turned up.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 27,267

    How high does it have to get to make any difference to the senate republicans voting? 60? 65?
    Whatever the Nixon figure was I guess.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 56,430

    Pulpstar said:

    chloe said:

    chloe said:

    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.

    We are getting a lot from the Lib Dems in Streatham as well. Even though Chuka has decamped and the LDs are running a new and unknown candidate.
    Has Chuka been selected for a seat elsewhere?
    Cities of London and Westminster
    I hadn't spotted that. Quite a brave move but who knows, it could pay off.
    As someone with a bet on Labour to win Streatham at 6/4, I was delighted.
    I'm on that one too, I've gone for the Tories in the Cities of London & Westminster mind.
    Streatham is the only constituency bet I’ve placed. I’m not ready to place any more because politics is so volatile right now.

    When I do, I expect my default will be to back second favourites.
    Shadsy made Lib Dems favourites in the Cities of London & Westminster
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 27,267
    The destruction of the peace and good manners of England continues:

  • HYUFD said:

    Glad I'm watching the athletics not the footie.....

    Well somebody has to looking at the empty stadium
    I feel sorry for the athletes. What a farce. Sport is enveloped in corruption.

    How many clean sports are left? Netball? Pony trekking? Shinty?
  • TGOHF2TGOHF2 Posts: 584
    AndyJS said:

    Did anything of any note happen in the House of Commons today?

    Solved Brexit, passed loads of new laws...
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I can't decide whether Boris will win a 200 seat majority or get badly defeated.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 30,319
    Arsenal fourth best team in London.

    If they let two more goals in, they are fifth behind Palace. Must be relieved Fulham got relegated......
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 12,669

    How high does it have to get to make any difference to the senate republicans voting? 60? 65?
    To sway the most GOP 1/3 + 1, I'd say more like 75 or 80.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 11,276
    AndyJS said:

    I can't decide whether Boris will win a 200 seat majority or get badly defeated.

    You can forget the former; the latter is a distinct possibility.
  • TGOHF2 said:

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Are you implying we're not representative of the country at large?!
    Er naw..
    Lib Dems winning here.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world...
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,015

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Voters who know their NI numbers off by heart?
    That's a myth. Noone knows their NI number off by heart 😂
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 9,241

    The destruction of the peace and good manners of England continues:

    On a longer historical timeline, we used to put people in the stocks and hurl mouldy veg at them...
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 890
    edited September 30
    Tabman said:

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Voters who know their NI numbers off by heart?
    That's a myth. Noone knows their NI number off by heart 😂
    I do. it's AB123456C

    (edit: not really but I do know it by heart)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 16,280
    edited September 30
    Perhaps the first time the words Francois and subtle have ever appeared in the same sentence ?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/30/hardline-conservative-brexiters-open-door-to-support-for-deal
    Francois’ comments were seen as a subtle shift in approach for the ERG, whose support could unlock a deal for Boris Johnson....

    Truly, we live in strange times.
  • chloe said:

    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.

    Finchley and Golders Green (Shadsy)

    LD 4/5
    Con 5/4
    Lab 8/1
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 27,791
    TGOHF2 said:

    AndyJS said:

    Did anything of any note happen in the House of Commons today?

    Solved Brexit, passed loads of new laws...
    Oh good. That’s a relief.
  • spudgfsh said:

    Tabman said:

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Voters who know their NI numbers off by heart?
    That's a myth. Noone knows their NI number off by heart 😂
    I do. it's AB123456C

    (edit: not really but I do know it by heart)
    This is a popular misconception. The NI number is not the same as the NHS number. The NHS number is a 9 digit number which you only ever know when you change your doctor!
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 2,276
    edited September 30
    New market - next GE

    Reading East (Lab Maj 3,749; Matt Rodda MP)

    Con EVS
    Lab EVS
    LD 6/1
    Bxp 100/1
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,015
    spudgfsh said:

    Tabman said:

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Voters who know their NI numbers off by heart?
    That's a myth. Noone knows their NI number off by heart 😂
    I do. it's AB123456C

    (edit: not really but I do know it by heart)
    So do I. 😬
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 1,613
    TGOHF2 said:

    And how many would still vote LD when we have left by the time of the election ?

    What’s the thinking behind having a sectarian loyalist icon as your avatar?
  • New market - next GE

    Reading East (Lab Maj 3,749; Matt Rodda MP)

    Con EVS
    Lab EVS
    LD 6/1
    Bxp 100/1

    I think that's a constituency with a high student population.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,334

    chloe said:

    chloe said:

    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.

    We are getting a lot from the Lib Dems in Streatham as well. Even though Chuka has decamped and the LDs are running a new and unknown candidate.
    Has Chuka been selected for a seat elsewhere?
    Cities of London and Westminster
    I hadn't spotted that. Quite a brave move but who knows, it could pay off.
    As someone with a bet on Labour to win Streatham at 6/4, I was delighted.
    The local Labour party is in complete disarray, they have not been allowed to start the process of selecting a candidate and AFAIK there has been no leaflets or other activity since Chuka went. The Lib Dems had a solid base before 2010 but the coalition years saw them lose all their councillors and their vote melted away - the main local opposition to Labour is now the Greens. But even so I think Labour would hold the seat.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 1,461
    edited September 30
    Nigelb said:

    Perhaps the first time the words Francois and subtle have ever appeared in the same sentence ?

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/30/hardline-conservative-brexiters-open-door-to-support-for-deal
    Francois’ comments were seen as a subtle shift in approach for the ERG, whose support could unlock a deal for Boris Johnson....

    Truly, we live in strange times.

    Nige (Farage) will see that as Private Francois waving a white flag.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    I disagree with about 50% of LD policies but usually end up voting for them anyway. It might be different if I lived in a Con/Lab marginal.
  • chloe said:

    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.

    Finchley and Golders Green (Shadsy)

    LD 4/5
    Con 5/4
    Lab 8/1

    Those odds are ridiculous. This is a seat where the LDs polled less than 7% last time and less than 4% in 2015.

    The value there is the 8/1 on Labour.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 23,723

    HYUFD said:

    Glad I'm watching the athletics not the footie.....

    Well somebody has to looking at the empty stadium
    I feel sorry for the athletes. What a farce. Sport is enveloped in corruption.

    How many clean sports are left? Netball? Pony trekking? Shinty?
    Only three years until we have a whole football World Cup of empty stadia.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 9,241
    Scott_P said:
    I have no idea who Kenny is, but I think angry dismissals of this type are wearing a bit thin now. Have the sensitivities of a community residing both within a state and outside of it ever been dealt with in such a painstaking way as those of the nationalist community are by the UK at the moment?
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 1,885

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Voters who know their NI numbers off by heart?
    Are you implying that there are some who do not???
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    spudgfsh said:

    Tabman said:

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Voters who know their NI numbers off by heart?
    That's a myth. Noone knows their NI number off by heart 😂
    I do. it's AB123456C

    (edit: not really but I do know it by heart)
    This is a popular misconception. The NI number is not the same as the NHS number. The NHS number is a 9 digit number which you only ever know when you change your doctor!
    Know both my US and UK national insurance/social security numbers by heart ... now. Went 25 years without using my UK number, and lost the card to had to get a replacement. The first thing I did was memorize the number.
  • chloe said:

    We are getting lots of Lib Dem leaflets in Finchley and Golders Green. They certainly seem to be fighting hard here. As a remain voter and former Conservative voter I will be voting for Luciana Berger.

    Finchley and Golders Green (Shadsy)

    LD 4/5
    Con 5/4
    Lab 8/1

    Those odds are ridiculous. This is a seat where the LDs polled less than 7% last time and less than 4% in 2015.

    The value there is the 8/1 on Labour.

    If the Labour Party wasn’t led by a Cold War relic.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 1,044
    One issues for moderates of any sort (remainers and leavers, centre right and centre left, One Nation, social democrat etc) is that of competence. Neither labour nor Conservative have shown the much trace of ordinary political competence, consistency or trustworthiness recently. If you want a government with these features at the moment the LDs look the least tainted choice.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 11,276

    Scott_P said:
    I have no idea who Kenny is, but I think angry dismissals of this type are wearing a bit thin now. Have the sensitivities of a community residing both within a state and outside of it ever been dealt with in such a painstaking way as those of the nationalist community are by the UK at the moment?
    Is this some kind of attempt at satire?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 4,593

    Scott_P said:
    I have no idea who Kenny is, but I think angry dismissals of this type are wearing a bit thin now. Have the sensitivities of a community residing both within a state and outside of it ever been dealt with in such a painstaking way as those of the nationalist community are by the UK at the moment?
    He's a journalist on the Scotsman, which is one of the more rabidly British nationalist newspapers in Scotland.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 23,723
    spudgfsh said:

    Tabman said:

    I can believe this.

    As a life long Tory, I have now switched to Lib Dems.

    And I’m a life long Labourite who’s switched to the LDs. Reminds me of that famous VE day picture of the Russians and Americans shaking hands in the middle of Berlin.
    As a life long floating voter, I have switched to the LDs.
    Given the numbers on here switching to the LDs, and recognising how PBers are such trend-setters, I predict a Lib Dem landslide at the next GE!
    PB is the perfect demographic for the Lib Dems.
    Voters who know their NI numbers off by heart?
    That's a myth. Noone knows their NI number off by heart 😂
    I do. it's AB123456C

    (edit: not really but I do know it by heart)
    Doesn’t everyone?
    (Although I do occasionally get a call from one of my siblings who’s forgotten theirs, as they’re sequential).
  • Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    Glad I'm watching the athletics not the footie.....

    Well somebody has to looking at the empty stadium
    I feel sorry for the athletes. What a farce. Sport is enveloped in corruption.

    How many clean sports are left? Netball? Pony trekking? Shinty?
    Only three years until we have a whole football World Cup of empty stadia.
    Don’t depress me.

    International sporting championships should have a No Dictatorships rule.
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