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edited October 1 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » New YouGov polling on party Brexit awareness highlights the challenges facing LAB

With the coming general election looking set to be a battle between parties that back Leave and and those that back Remain this YouGov polling on perceptions of the Brexit stance of each party looks be a good pointer.

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  • chloechloe Posts: 291
    First?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 10,221
    chloe said:

    First?

    You certainly are!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 4,957
    3rd rate like the government.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 1,121
    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 4,957
    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    Banter merchants
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,631
    edited October 1

    3rd rate like the government.

    Sixth rate, much more like the government.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,253
    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    The retake Calais, war boosters
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,631
    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    The control. Like the 2% of Americans who think they have been decapitated.

    Although Farage is opposed in practice to leaving in any way that we actually can.
  • chloechloe Posts: 291
    Nothing from Labour in my constituency for months, despite coming within about 3000 votes in 2017.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 3,097
    edited October 1

    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    The retake Calais, war boosters
    No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,631
    nichomar said:

    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    The retake Calais, war boosters
    No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin
    We take Manhattan is Bailey credible as a strategy.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,253
    nichomar said:

    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    The retake Calais, war boosters
    No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin
    Actually Manhattan is doable if we retake Canada and spring a surprise New England offensive. Berlin will be easy. Just like 45. Then we can think about having a proper crack at Moscow
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,619
    FPT
    I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,253
    justin124 said:

    FPT
    I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

    The deal will come back the same time the QS vote occurs
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 3,702
    justin124 said:

    FPT
    I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

    What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 3,097

    nichomar said:

    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    The retake Calais, war boosters
    No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin
    Actually Manhattan is doable if we retake Canada and spring a surprise New England offensive. Berlin will be easy. Just like 45. Then we can think about having a proper crack at Moscow
    I actually found Cohen too depressive first time round but the last album he released with the female vocalist made the music much less suicidal. Shame he had his hallelujah rights donned from him
  • NooNoo Posts: 1,661
    I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
    Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

    Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

    Let's see whether there's even an election first though.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 8,492
    edited October 1

    nichomar said:

    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    The retake Calais, war boosters
    No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin
    Actually Manhattan is doable if we retake Canada and spring a surprise New England offensive. Berlin will be easy. Just like 45. Then we can think about having a proper crack at Moscow
    I prefer the Second British Empire to the first. Since the awfulness of British PMs has been so often compared to Eden recently, they may as well retake Suez as a prelude to liberating Hong Kong and bringing peace to the Indian subcontinent by uniting them under the yoke of British oppression our benevolent rule. We could take Réunion again for old times sake.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 12,207
    Sky News
    @SkyNews
    · 21h
    .@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

    Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,631

    nichomar said:

    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    The retake Calais, war boosters
    No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin
    Actually Manhattan is doable if we retake Canada and spring a surprise New England offensive. Berlin will be easy. Just like 45. Then we can think about having a proper crack at Moscow
    I prefer the Second British Empire to the first. Since the awfulness of British PMs has been so often compared to Eden recently, they may as well retake Suez as a prelude to liberating Hong Kong and bringing peace to the Indian subcontinent by uniting them under the yoke of British oppression our benevolent rule. We could take Réunion again for old times sake.
    Are you suggesting as a nation we should commit Suezide?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,253

    nichomar said:

    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    The retake Calais, war boosters
    No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin
    Actually Manhattan is doable if we retake Canada and spring a surprise New England offensive. Berlin will be easy. Just like 45. Then we can think about having a proper crack at Moscow
    I prefer the Second British Empire to the first. Since the awfulness of British PMs has been so often compared to Eden recently, they may as well retake Suez as a prelude to liberating Hong Kong and bringing peace to the Indian subcontinent by uniting them under the yoke of British oppression our benevolent rule. We could take Réunion again for old times sake.
    We could just say China are In breach of the HK accord and, as such, the death of the British Empire on June 30 1997 was premature
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 20,384
    Noo said:

    I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
    Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

    Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

    Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

    Cons have laid a lot of free spending groundwork that said.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 3,097

    Sky News
    @SkyNews
    · 21h
    .@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

    Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

    You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 8,492
    Noo said:

    I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
    Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

    Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

    Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

    "Neither" is what the leadership are aiming for. I'm not sure whether "don't know" is equivalent.

    I presume that the 12% who think the Tories are anti-Brexit is the current floor for the combined vote share for the Brexit Party and UKIP.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,252
    edited October 1
    Noo said:

    I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
    Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

    Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

    Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

    Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 4,957
    edited October 1

    Noo said:

    I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
    Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

    Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

    Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

    Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.
    I don’t think rubbing it in that we haven’t left the EU yet would be a good political strategy for Labour or the Lib Dems. A positive message about European values and the rule of law will be much more productive I feel.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 20,384

    Sky News
    @SkyNews
    · 21h
    .@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

    Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

    Jo Swinson an island of sanity amongst the opposition loons.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 460
    edited October 1
    We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the LD leadership is as far away from the current Labour leadership as it is from the Tories. In fact it is further.

    Corbyn/McDonell and Momentum are the most ideologically extreme leadership of any party that has stood in the UK with the prospect of actually getting MPs. They have been normalised a bit by being in charge for a few years but the reality of the choice facing us at the next election is very grim with the LDs as the least bad alternative. To gain a big block in parliament it is essential that Swinson attacks both main parties pretty equally in my opinion.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 1,955
    TOPPING said:

    Sky News
    @SkyNews
    · 21h
    .@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

    Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

    Jo Swinson an island of sanity amongst the opposition loons.
    +1
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 3,097

    Noo said:

    I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
    Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

    Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

    Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

    Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.
    That would be quite amusing, but it is out of their hands if VONC passed they can’t stop an election
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,619
    philiph said:

    justin124 said:

    FPT
    I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

    What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.
    October 14th followed by several days of debate.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 30,481
    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    Me.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,003
    nichomar said:

    Noo said:

    I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
    Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

    Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

    Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

    Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.
    That would be quite amusing, but it is out of their hands if VONC passed they can’t stop an election
    Not correct. Even if they don't manage to unite around an alternative PM, as a last resort they can (hilariously) vote that they have confidence in Boris's government after all -- as long as it comes within 14 days of the no-confidence vote, that aborts the election.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 11,035
    justin124 said:

    philiph said:

    justin124 said:

    FPT
    I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

    What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.
    October 14th followed by several days of debate.
    There needs to be a prorogation surely for that. How much notice is needed?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 30,481
    TOPPING said:

    Sky News
    @SkyNews
    · 21h
    .@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

    Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

    Jo Swinson an island of sanity amongst the opposition loons.
    It's very clear which pond she's now fishing in.

    And it isn't the Labour one.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 3,097
    Danny565 said:

    nichomar said:

    Noo said:

    I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
    Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

    Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

    Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

    Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.
    That would be quite amusing, but it is out of their hands if VONC passed they can’t stop an election
    Not correct. Even if they don't manage to unite around an alternative PM, as a last resort they can (hilariously) vote that they have confidence in Boris's government after all -- as long as it comes within 14 days of the no-confidence vote, that aborts the election.
    Of course technically correct but I’m not sure how that would happen
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 2,231

    nichomar said:

    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    The retake Calais, war boosters
    No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin
    Actually Manhattan is doable if we retake Canada and spring a surprise New England offensive. Berlin will be easy. Just like 45. Then we can think about having a proper crack at Moscow
    You'll have to get through Tarrytown first! We were the site of a turning point in the Revolutionary War when Major John André, Cornwallis' adjutant and head of intelligence, was caught by American militia men with the plans to West Point, which he'd just received from Benedict Arnold.

    Although these days it's the traffic on US Route 9 that would probably stop a perfidious English invasion from the Canadas in its tracks...
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,619
    Foxy said:

    justin124 said:

    philiph said:

    justin124 said:

    FPT
    I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

    What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.
    October 14th followed by several days of debate.
    There needs to be a prorogation surely for that. How much notice is needed?
    It is surely now expected given Johnson initial attempt to prorogue.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,733

    nichomar said:

    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    The retake Calais, war boosters
    No we first take Manhattan and then Berlin
    Actually Manhattan is doable if we retake Canada and spring a surprise New England offensive. Berlin will be easy. Just like 45. Then we can think about having a proper crack at Moscow
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sunil060902/sandbox
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 3,702
    edited October 1

    We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the LD leadership is as far away from the current Labour leadership as it is from the Tories. In fact it is further.

    Corbyn/McDonell and Momentum are the most ideologically extreme leadership of any party that has stood in the UK with the prospect of actually getting MPs. They have been normalised a bit by being in charge for a few years but the reality of the choice facing us at the next election is very grim with the LDs as the least bad alternative. To gain a big block in parliament it is essential that Swinson attacks both main parties pretty equally in my opinion.

    The LibDem conundrum.

    Move to replace Labour requires maximising votes (%) and seats.

    Promoting voting Labour tactically increases the Labour seat tally thus marginalising the Libdems in the march to replacing Labour. If they don't encourage tactical voting the tories win more seats but they close the gap to Labour.

    Choices!
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 4,638
    justin124 said:

    philiph said:

    justin124 said:

    FPT
    I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

    What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.
    October 14th followed by several days of debate.
    I think Parliament has to be prorogued first?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,619
    edited October 1

    TOPPING said:

    Sky News
    @SkyNews
    · 21h
    .@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

    Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

    Jo Swinson an island of sanity amongst the opposition loons.
    It's very clear which pond she's now fishing in.

    And it isn't the Labour one.
    She will be adding substance to the 'Tories Little Helpers' label - having already supported statues of Thatcher.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,003
    For all we know, the government might have already requested another prorogation for a Queen's Speech, but Liz might have said no this time.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,619
    Barnesian said:

    justin124 said:

    philiph said:

    justin124 said:

    FPT
    I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

    What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.
    October 14th followed by several days of debate.
    I think Parliament has to be prorogued first?
    That will surely happen for a few days.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 39,126

    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    Me.
    Yeah, they are splitting the Brexit vote.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 12,207
    nichomar said:

    Sky News
    @SkyNews
    · 21h
    .@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

    Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

    You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.
    Tory Swinson has gone off the idea of extending and a 2nd Ref and come down on the side of No Deal cos she is scared of losing Chukka, Lucianna and Funny Tinge
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 4,957

    nichomar said:

    Sky News
    @SkyNews
    · 21h
    .@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

    Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

    You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.
    Tory Swinson has gone off the idea of extending and a 2nd Ref and come down on the side of No Deal cos she is scared of losing Chukka, Lucianna and Funny Tinge
    Boring
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,252
    nichomar said:

    Noo said:

    I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
    Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

    Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

    Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

    Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.
    That would be quite amusing, but it is out of their hands if VONC passed they can’t stop an election
    But a VONC can only pass with opposition support - they will not support one if they don't want an election. And only a VONC moved by the LOTO using the FTPA wording can bring down the government. The government cannot VONC itself.

    If Johnson is forced to extend, which seems very likely, it is quite possible that he will remain in office for some time afterwards. You can easily see why it would be in the interests of the opposition to leave him marooned while Farage mops up Tory voters.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 8,492
    justin124 said:

    Barnesian said:

    justin124 said:

    philiph said:

    justin124 said:

    FPT
    I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

    What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.
    October 14th followed by several days of debate.
    I think Parliament has to be prorogued first?
    That will surely happen for a few days.
    They could do it over a weekend.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 11,035

    nichomar said:

    Sky News
    @SkyNews
    · 21h
    .@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

    Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

    You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.
    Tory Swinson has gone off the idea of extending and a 2nd Ref and come down on the side of No Deal cos she is scared of losing Chukka, Lucianna and Funny Tinge
    Corbynites are pretty thick. If they want support from LibDems for their so called strategy, they might want to consider a bit of gentle wooing rather than a torrent of online and Twitter abuse.

    But I think that they will continue with their demonstration of stupidity and unfitness for office.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 4,638
    justin124 said:

    Barnesian said:

    justin124 said:

    philiph said:

    justin124 said:

    FPT
    I suspect the VNOC will be tabled in advance of any Deal being presented - with Johnson having already been defeated on the Queens Speech.

    What Queens speech. One isn't due a the parliamentary session is ongoing.
    October 14th followed by several days of debate.
    I think Parliament has to be prorogued first?
    That will surely happen for a few days.
    Yes I think so. 7th to 13th would make sense. However if the opposition wishes as rumoured, using a SO24, in bring forward the date at which the government has to ask for an extension to before prorogation, they need to act tomorrow.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 641

    nichomar said:

    Noo said:

    I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
    Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

    Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

    Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

    Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.
    That would be quite amusing, but it is out of their hands if VONC passed they can’t stop an election
    But a VONC can only pass with opposition support - they will not support one if they don't want an election. And only a VONC moved by the LOTO using the FTPA wording can bring down the government. The government cannot VONC itself.

    If Johnson is forced to extend, which seems very likely, it is quite possible that he will remain in office for some time afterwards. You can easily see why it would be in the interests of the opposition to leave him marooned while Farage mops up Tory voters.
    That's not quite true. The FTPA just states that the form of words which has to pass, it doesn't specify who can bring it forward.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,003
    edited October 1
    nichomar said:

    Danny565 said:

    nichomar said:

    Noo said:

    I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
    Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

    Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

    Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

    Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.
    That would be quite amusing, but it is out of their hands if VONC passed they can’t stop an election
    Not correct. Even if they don't manage to unite around an alternative PM, as a last resort they can (hilariously) vote that they have confidence in Boris's government after all -- as long as it comes within 14 days of the no-confidence vote, that aborts the election.
    Of course technically correct but I’m not sure how that would happen
    Sorry, I misunderstood; I thought you meant the Opposition MPs wouldn't be able to stop an election after a VONC (and if they couldn't agree an alternative PM).
  • TGOHF2TGOHF2 Posts: 584
    What did parliament achieve today ?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 4,638
    edited October 1
    TGOHF2 said:

    What did parliament achieve today ?

    4 SIs

    https://calendar.parliament.uk/calendar/Commons/All/2019/10/1/Daily
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 27,307
    A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 4,957
    edited October 1
    TGOHF2 said:

    What did parliament achieve today ?

    As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Basically doing their job.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 26,056
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 26,056

    A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

    Crazy. I have topped up.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 15,086
    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    Its a reasonable view - Farage is against Brexit even if BXP voters are for it.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 6,934

    TGOHF2 said:

    What did parliament achieve today ?

    As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Basically doing their job.
    If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 984
    TGOHF2 said:

    What did parliament achieve today ?

    What did you achieve today with your avatar featuring sectarian iconography?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 10,221

    A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

    Crazy. I have topped up.
    Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 26,056

    A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

    Crazy. I have topped up.
    Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?
    Seems crazy long to me. But what the hell do I know.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 10,221
    edited October 1

    TGOHF2 said:

    What did parliament achieve today ?

    As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Basically doing their job.
    If you consider obfuscating the will of [37.4% of] the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.
    No one voted for No Deal and not everyone voted to Leave.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 984
    TGOHF’s (We Are The) People
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 4,957

    TGOHF2 said:

    What did parliament achieve today ?

    As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Basically doing their job.
    If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.
    I will repeat if you didn’t quite manage to read it:

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Doing their job basically.
  • Unhelpful interventions this week from Justine Greening, Margot James, Antoinette Sandback and David Gauke. The ' 21 ' seem to be splitting between those that want to go back and feel there is a way and those that either don't want to or feel there is no way back. I'm certain a good chunk and probably a majority of the 21 will have the whip restored but if the GE is delayed till the New Year it could be a torrid Winter for Commons defeats.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 11,035

    A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

    When is the last day in October that a November election be called?
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 335
    And I suppose the Conservatives were referred to in "kinder and gentler" terms during the Labour conference.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 62,888
    The fact that 53% see the LDs as anti Brexit and 52% see the Tories as pro Brexit and only 42% see Labour as anti Brexit suggests Corbyn Labour will get squeezed at the next general election
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 6,934

    TGOHF2 said:

    What did parliament achieve today ?

    As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Basically doing their job.
    If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.
    I will repeat if you didn’t quite manage to read it:

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Doing their job basically.

    Pretty much anything but dealing with Brexit then...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 11,035
    Dynamo Zagreb making Man City sweat. Spurs being Spursy too...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 10,221

    A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

    Crazy. I have topped up.
    Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?
    Seems crazy long to me. But what the hell do I know.
    Fari enough, you may be right.

    In fact you probably are - it must be a >25% chance I'd have thought.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 4,957

    TGOHF2 said:

    What did parliament achieve today ?

    As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Basically doing their job.
    If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.
    I will repeat if you didn’t quite manage to read it:

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Doing their job basically.

    Pretty much anything but dealing with Brexit then...
    Well Boris hasn’t brought back his wonderful deal yet so what do you expect them to do?
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 8,492

    A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

    Crazy. I have topped up.
    Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?
    Seems crazy long to me. But what the hell do I know.
    I think it's crazy short. Assuming the election is on a Thursday the latest would be November 28th, and the latest that could be called is five weeks previously on October 24th.

    If that were to happen following a VONC, and a failure to agree on a replacement PM, then the VONC would have to be held no later than October 10th. But I see no reason why a VONC would be called before the Benn Act date of 19th October, unless the Opposition had agreed on a replacement PM.

    There isn't the time.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 62,888
    DougSeal said:

    Who the hell are the 3% who think the Brexit Party is anti-Brexit?

    The remaining UKIP voters
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 62,888

    nichomar said:

    Noo said:

    I don't think Labour's numbers are necessarily problematic. That 26% for "neither" could be a huge asset in an election campaign.
    Many of us on here are obsessed about Brexit -- I include myself in that -- but lots of folks out there aren't and have other policy concerns.

    Labour might be playing this just right even they can get the conversation onto other subjects during a campaign. Set-piece debates might help on that front, since there will be questions about various policy areas from the hosts and selected from the audience. My hunch is that the broadcasters will want to keep the debates as good-tempered as possible, meaning Brexit could be de-emphasised.

    Let's see whether there's even an election first though.

    Quite. The opposition are not going to allow an election to be called before 31 October and if Johnson has been forced to extend at that point then the Tories will not allow an election to be called in the immediate aftermath. Farage will be in full betrayal mode and the fallout of Johnson reneging on "do or die" will be all around us.
    That would be quite amusing, but it is out of their hands if VONC passed they can’t stop an election
    But a VONC can only pass with opposition support - they will not support one if they don't want an election. And only a VONC moved by the LOTO using the FTPA wording can bring down the government. The government cannot VONC itself.

    If Johnson is forced to extend, which seems very likely, it is quite possible that he will remain in office for some time afterwards. You can easily see why it would be in the interests of the opposition to leave him marooned while Farage mops up Tory voters.
    Boris will resign as PM rather than agree an extension
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 62,888

    nichomar said:

    Sky News
    @SkyNews
    · 21h
    .@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

    Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

    You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.
    Tory Swinson has gone off the idea of extending and a 2nd Ref and come down on the side of No Deal cos she is scared of losing Chukka, Lucianna and Funny Tinge
    Extension is now law thanks to the Benn Act
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,619
    Foxy said:

    A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

    When is the last day in October that a November election be called?
    Parliament would have to be dissolved on 26th October for an election on Saturday 30th November..
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 4,957
    edited October 1
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    Sky News
    @SkyNews
    · 21h
    .@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

    Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

    You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.
    Tory Swinson has gone off the idea of extending and a 2nd Ref and come down on the side of No Deal cos she is scared of losing Chukka, Lucianna and Funny Tinge
    Extension is now law thanks to the Benn Act
    Do you not understand the act?

    The Benn act merely requires the PM to request an extension *IF* Boris has either failed to bring a deal back or brought a deal back and it has been rejected by Parliament.

    Clearly the deal will be fantastic so it will fly through Parliament nee problem.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 6,934
    edited October 1

    TGOHF2 said:

    What did parliament achieve today ?

    As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Basically doing their job.
    If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.
    I will repeat if you didn’t quite manage to read it:

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Doing their job basically.

    Pretty much anything but dealing with Brexit then...
    deleted
  • surbiton19surbiton19 Posts: 1,401
    For those liberal minded Remainers celebrating more people recognize LDs as more pro-Remain may get what they do not wish for: the Remain vote totally split. All you will be doing is hand victory to HYUFD and his party.
    I am not sure the LDs can even get back to 2010 strength let alone Charlie Kennedy's heyday.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,619

    A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

    Crazy. I have topped up.
    Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?
    Seems crazy long to me. But what the hell do I know.
    I think it's crazy short. Assuming the election is on a Thursday the latest would be November 28th, and the latest that could be called is five weeks previously on October 24th.

    If that were to happen following a VONC, and a failure to agree on a replacement PM, then the VONC would have to be held no later than October 10th. But I see no reason why a VONC would be called before the Benn Act date of 19th October, unless the Opposition had agreed on a replacement PM.

    There isn't the time.
    It has been suggested that a VNOC will occur on 21st October. The 14 day clock then would start ticking - though, if Opposition parties can agree a replacement , it need not take that long.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 6,934

    TGOHF2 said:

    What did parliament achieve today ?

    As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Basically doing their job.
    If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.
    I will repeat if you didn’t quite manage to read it:

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Doing their job basically.

    Pretty much anything but dealing with Brexit then...
    Well Boris hasn’t brought back his wonderful deal yet so what do you expect them to do?
    Oh I am sure they are plotting behind the scenes, HOC right now is just a front. I don't agree with Brexit, but it must happen and v soon.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,252

    A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

    Crazy. I have topped up.
    Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?
    Seems crazy long to me. But what the hell do I know.
    I think it's crazy short. Assuming the election is on a Thursday the latest would be November 28th, and the latest that could be called is five weeks previously on October 24th.

    If that were to happen following a VONC, and a failure to agree on a replacement PM, then the VONC would have to be held no later than October 10th. But I see no reason why a VONC would be called before the Benn Act date of 19th October, unless the Opposition had agreed on a replacement PM.

    There isn't the time.
    No. The extension has to be secured and legislation giving effect to it has to be passed. And the election of the new speaker is set for 4th November. I think the opposition will want to wait for that. So the very earliest a motion for an election could pass is 5th November and the earliest Thursday on which an election could take place is December 12th.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,619

    For those liberal minded Remainers celebrating more people recognize LDs as more pro-Remain may get what they do not wish for: the Remain vote totally split. All you will be doing is hand victory to HYUFD and his party.
    I am not sure the LDs can even get back to 2010 strength let alone Charlie Kennedy's heyday.

    I agree - they will do well to reach 30 seats.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 62,888

    For those liberal minded Remainers celebrating more people recognize LDs as more pro-Remain may get what they do not wish for: the Remain vote totally split. All you will be doing is hand victory to HYUFD and his party.
    I am not sure the LDs can even get back to 2010 strength let alone Charlie Kennedy's heyday.

    And I will raise a glass of champagne to them on election night when Boris crosses the threshold for a Tory majority
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 4,957

    TGOHF2 said:

    What did parliament achieve today ?

    As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Basically doing their job.
    If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.
    I will repeat if you didn’t quite manage to read it:

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Doing their job basically.

    Pretty much anything but dealing with Brexit then...
    Well Boris hasn’t brought back his wonderful deal yet so what do you expect them to do?
    Oh I am sure they are plotting behind the scenes, HOC right now is just a front. I don't agree with Brexit, but it must happen and v soon.
    You don’t think Parliament should be doing its constitutional role of scrutinising the Government?
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 335
    edited October 1
    justin124 said:

    A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

    Crazy. I have topped up.
    Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?
    Seems crazy long to me. But what the hell do I know.
    I think it's crazy short. Assuming the election is on a Thursday the latest would be November 28th, and the latest that could be called is five weeks previously on October 24th.

    If that were to happen following a VONC, and a failure to agree on a replacement PM, then the VONC would have to be held no later than October 10th. But I see no reason why a VONC would be called before the Benn Act date of 19th October, unless the Opposition had agreed on a replacement PM.

    There isn't the time.
    It has been suggested that a VNOC will occur on 21st October. The 14 day clock then would start ticking - though, if Opposition parties can agree a replacement , it need not take that long.
    The opposition Parties aren't the important factor. The independents hold the balance of power.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,619

    A November 2019 election is trading at 5.8 on Betfair now.

    Crazy. I have topped up.
    Apols, being a non-betting type... You mean crazy long or crazy short?
    Seems crazy long to me. But what the hell do I know.
    I think it's crazy short. Assuming the election is on a Thursday the latest would be November 28th, and the latest that could be called is five weeks previously on October 24th.

    If that were to happen following a VONC, and a failure to agree on a replacement PM, then the VONC would have to be held no later than October 10th. But I see no reason why a VONC would be called before the Benn Act date of 19th October, unless the Opposition had agreed on a replacement PM.

    There isn't the time.
    No. The extension has to be secured and legislation giving effect to it has to be passed. And the election of the new speaker is set for 4th November. I think the opposition will want to wait for that. So the very earliest a motion for an election could pass is 5th November and the earliest Thursday on which an election could take place is December 12th.
    No - the election of a Speaker is irrelevant . It would not prevent a Dissolution - but be rescheduled for when Parliament reassembles.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 62,888

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    Sky News
    @SkyNews
    · 21h
    .@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

    Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

    You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.
    Tory Swinson has gone off the idea of extending and a 2nd Ref and come down on the side of No Deal cos she is scared of losing Chukka, Lucianna and Funny Tinge
    Extension is now law thanks to the Benn Act
    Do you not understand the act?

    The Benn act merely requires the PM to request an extension *IF* Boris has either failed to bring a deal back or brought a deal back and it has been rejected by Parliament.

    Clearly the deal will be fantastic so it will fly through Parliament nee problem.
    Well of course that could be the ideal
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 8,492

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    Sky News
    @SkyNews
    · 21h
    .@LibDems leader @joswinson is vetoing a plan - backed by the other parties - to install @jeremycorbyn as a temporary prime minister if @borisjohnson is defeated in a vote of no confidence

    Sky News obsessed with Tory Swinson plan to allow a No Deal Brexit obsessed i tell you

    You are the obsessive one scare shitless by the leakage of labour voters from a cult to a political reality. Corbyn has no chance of no 10 unless Johnson resigns and HMQ is forced to ask him to form a government.
    Tory Swinson has gone off the idea of extending and a 2nd Ref and come down on the side of No Deal cos she is scared of losing Chukka, Lucianna and Funny Tinge
    Extension is now law thanks to the Benn Act
    Do you not understand the act?

    The Benn act merely requires the PM to request an extension *IF* Boris has either failed to bring a deal back or brought a deal back and it has been rejected by Parliament.

    Clearly the deal will be fantastic so it will fly through Parliament nee problem.
    The government can also avoid requesting an extension by passing a motion endorsing an EU exit without a withdrawal agreement. The chances of winning such a vote are slim, unless the government can somehow connive to strand SNP MPs in Scotland while the vote takes place, or similarly swing the arithmetic.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 6,934

    TGOHF2 said:

    What did parliament achieve today ?

    As you can’t be bothered to look yourself.

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Basically doing their job.
    If you consider obfuscating the will of the people doing their job then yes, if not, its appalling.
    I will repeat if you didn’t quite manage to read it:

    1. Scrutinised the Treasury.
    2. Scrutinised the Government’s plans for the Irish border.
    3. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the homeless.
    4. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on the war in Yemen.
    5. Scrutinised the Government’s policy on agriculture after Brexit.

    Doing their job basically.

    Pretty much anything but dealing with Brexit then...
    Well Boris hasn’t brought back his wonderful deal yet so what do you expect them to do?
    Oh I am sure they are plotting behind the scenes, HOC right now is just a front. I don't agree with Brexit, but it must happen and v soon.
    You don’t think Parliament should be doing its constitutional role of scrutinising the Government?
    They should of course but it would be far more effective if Brexit was sorted, No one gives a flying fuck at the moment if the HOC is scrutinising the Treasury..they want the feckers to sort Brexit out. Period.
  • TGOHF2TGOHF2 Posts: 584

    TGOHF2 said:

    What did parliament achieve today ?

    What did you achieve today with your avatar featuring sectarian iconography?
    Seeing as you were triggered by a British monarch I’ve changed it to a British legend.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 10,265
    Some of you will have noted the reports earlier today about an unspecified number of European Union capitals, including Paris and Berlin, having discussed time-limiting the backstop. This presumably caused an uptick in GBP, gaining about 0.8 of a cent and reversing the loss of the day. The Bloomberg report is here:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-01/eu-ready-to-consider-time-limit-on-irish-backstop-in-brexit-deal?srnd=premium-europe

    Today, Macron was in Strasbourg and Merkel was in Berlin.

    https://www.elysee.fr/en/diary
    https://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/bkin-de/angela-merkel/terminkalender

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 27,006
    justin124 said:

    For those liberal minded Remainers celebrating more people recognize LDs as more pro-Remain may get what they do not wish for: the Remain vote totally split. All you will be doing is hand victory to HYUFD and his party.
    I am not sure the LDs can even get back to 2010 strength let alone Charlie Kennedy's heyday.

    I agree - they will do well to reach 30 seats.
    The LibDem seat number correlates pretty well in the post 1992 world with the Con-LD spread. If the number is 13-14 percentage points, as now, then that suggests they will end up with around 40-42 seats.

    Now, it may be that that spread blows out to 18-20 points, but you are taking a lot for granted in assuming it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 1,955
    The fact that a December 2019 election is much more popular on Betfair Exchange than a November 2019 election is completely bonkers IMO.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.154849135
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