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edited October 6 in General

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The Commons Speaker has emerged as the new favourite in the race to take over from Boris Johnson if there is a vote of no confidence https://t.co/GmJh5ergIV

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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 4,757
    Quite a thought.
  • #LegendaryModesty
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,733
    edited October 6

    Charles said:


    They were even willing to crown Prince Edward as their King..,

    Citation needed?
    I found http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f164/royals-asked-or-who-became-monarchs-of-another-country-29576-3.html
    Appears to be a British site; adverts in £'s.
    A forum post saying "I read in a book" isn't a reliable source is it?

    No mention in either the "Edward, Earl of Wessex" of "Estonia" articles in Wiki.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 12,381
    I think the winner wants to avoid being spoken about until after Corbyn has been voted down.

    Even if there aren't the votes there, Corbyn might still get in either by being named by Boris Johnson as he resigns or just by virtue of being LOTO. If he can get in the door he doesn't need to win a subsequent vote of confidence, he can just hang on doing photo opportunities with Larry the Cat until election day. Since the possibility of getting through without a parliamentary vote is there, but may disappear if there's a rival who clearly has the numbers, Corbyn will need to shoot down the name of anyone else who is suggested, until such time as the route *hasn't* been taken, and there's been a parliamentary vote that he's lost. So until that's happened, nobody mention Sylvia Hermon.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 1,343
    edited October 6
    Bercow would lead a “cabinet of all the talents”

    Irrespective of what people actually think of the quality of this cabinet, calling it the "cabinet of all the talents" is just asking for it.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 19,377
    edited October 6
    eristdoof said:

    Bercow would lead a “cabinet of all the talents”

    Irrespective of what people actually think of the quality of this cabinet, calling it the "cabinet of all the talents" is just asking for it.

    A Cabinet of all the Losers.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 16,229
    edited October 6

    Charles said:


    They were even willing to crown Prince Edward as their King..,

    Citation needed?
    I found http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f164/royals-asked-or-who-became-monarchs-of-another-country-29576-3.html
    Appears to be a British site; adverts in £'s.
    A forum post saying "I read in a book" isn't a reliable source is it?

    No mention in either the "Edward, Earl of Wessex" of "Estonia" articles in Wiki.
    Agree, not a good source, but Wikipedia and similar tend to be airbrushed when it comes to possibly questionable royal activities. There's also a reference to an Orlando newspaper, but it's only available in US.

    American Political Science Journal appaears to have a reference, but one has to register to read it.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,026
    500/1 is the right price imo. It's Corbyn or bust for the Remainiacs and if they don't stop clutching their pearls and start holding their noses to support a few weeks of purdah-bound, Corbyn-led, minority Labour government, we shall have crashed out of the EU before they can say trick or treat.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 802
    I suppose it'd be hilarious if Bercow did simultaneously manage to resign the Speaker's position when he said he would but only by becoming temporary PM instead. I think there'd be some fairly apoplectic speeches in the Commons.

    But we're still in that place where Brexit has been for a while that all the possible options sound hilariously implausible and yet one of them must be the truth.

    On Vince, I'm not sure why people would particularly be "eyeing up" roles unless the plan was genuinely to try and make the GONU last any length of time.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,733

    Charles said:


    They were even willing to crown Prince Edward as their King..,

    Citation needed?
    I found http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f164/royals-asked-or-who-became-monarchs-of-another-country-29576-3.html
    Appears to be a British site; adverts in £'s.
    A forum post saying "I read in a book" isn't a reliable source is it?

    No mention in either the "Edward, Earl of Wessex" of "Estonia" articles in Wiki.
    Agree, not a good source, but Wikipedia and similar tend to be airbrushed when it comes to possibly questionable royal activities. There's also a reference to an Orlando newspaper, but it's only available in US.
    Can't think of a place called Orlando in Estonia!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,733
    eristdoof said:

    Bercow would lead a “cabinet of all the talents”

    Irrespective of what people actually think of the quality of this cabinet, calling it the "cabinet of all the talents" is just asking for it.

    Would be cheaper to go to IKEA :lol:
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 19,377
    RIP Ginger Baker.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 16,229

    Charles said:


    They were even willing to crown Prince Edward as their King..,

    Citation needed?
    I found http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f164/royals-asked-or-who-became-monarchs-of-another-country-29576-3.html
    Appears to be a British site; adverts in £'s.
    A forum post saying "I read in a book" isn't a reliable source is it?

    No mention in either the "Edward, Earl of Wessex" of "Estonia" articles in Wiki.
    Agree, not a good source, but Wikipedia and similar tend to be airbrushed when it comes to possibly questionable royal activities. There's also a reference to an Orlando newspaper, but it's only available in US.
    Can't think of a place called Orlando in Estonia!
    See what you mean, although I did reference the US. Should I add the 'of A' to make it clearer?

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 24,446

    eristdoof said:

    Bercow would lead a “cabinet of all the talents”

    Irrespective of what people actually think of the quality of this cabinet, calling it the "cabinet of all the talents" is just asking for it.

    A Cabinet of all the Losers.
    That is more like it , would take another 3 years searching to find any talent for a cabinet at Westminster
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,198
    edited October 6
    Anne a Times reader currently has 171 recommends for making this comment about the notion of Bercow as PM of a GNU (which is a fair few by the standard of the Times comments pages) "The contempt these people have for the electorate knows no bounds. As for the little squirt, it appears he's desperate to remain relevant".

    Much as I would be happy for someone to receive a 500/1 payout the near civil war that would follow his appointment is probably not worth it.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 24,446

    I suppose it'd be hilarious if Bercow did simultaneously manage to resign the Speaker's position when he said he would but only by becoming temporary PM instead. I think there'd be some fairly apoplectic speeches in the Commons.

    But we're still in that place where Brexit has been for a while that all the possible options sound hilariously implausible and yet one of them must be the truth.

    On Vince, I'm not sure why people would particularly be "eyeing up" roles unless the plan was genuinely to try and make the GONU last any length of time.

    People must be having a joke, more like GONADS than GONU
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 16,229

    Charles said:


    They were even willing to crown Prince Edward as their King..,

    Citation needed?
    I found http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f164/royals-asked-or-who-became-monarchs-of-another-country-29576-3.html
    Appears to be a British site; adverts in £'s.
    A forum post saying "I read in a book" isn't a reliable source is it?

    No mention in either the "Edward, Earl of Wessex" of "Estonia" articles in Wiki.
    Agree, not a good source, but Wikipedia and similar tend to be airbrushed when it comes to possibly questionable royal activities. There's also a reference to an Orlando newspaper, but it's only available in US.
    Can't think of a place called Orlando in Estonia!
    See what you mean, although I did reference the US. Should I add the 'of A' to make it clearer?

    Found another reference. Don't want to start anything too taxing before lunch.

    It's Deseret News Jul 11, 1994. It's a Utah paper.
  • Norm said:

    Anne a Times reader currently has 171 recommends for making this comment about the notion of Bercow as PM of a GNU (which is a fair few by the standard of the Times comments pages) "The contempt these people have for the electorate knows no bounds. As for the little squirt, it appears he's desperate to remain relevant".

    Much as I would be happy for someone to receive a 500/1 payout the near civil war that would follow his appointment is probably not worth it.

    Forget the near civil war, I'd be unbearably smug on a whole new level, that'd be much much worse
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 4,757
    edited October 6
    Norm said:

    Anne a Times reader currently has 171 recommends for making this comment about the notion of Bercow as PM of a GNU (which is a fair few by the standard of the Times comments pages) "The contempt these people have for the electorate knows no bounds. As for the little squirt, it appears he's desperate to remain relevant".

    Much as I would be happy for someone to receive a 500/1 payout the near civil war that would follow his appointment is probably not worth it.

    At least he would bring some much needed ORDER to things. It's chaotic atm.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,733

    Charles said:


    They were even willing to crown Prince Edward as their King..,

    Citation needed?
    I found http://www.theroyalforums.com/forums/f164/royals-asked-or-who-became-monarchs-of-another-country-29576-3.html
    Appears to be a British site; adverts in £'s.
    A forum post saying "I read in a book" isn't a reliable source is it?

    No mention in either the "Edward, Earl of Wessex" of "Estonia" articles in Wiki.
    Agree, not a good source, but Wikipedia and similar tend to be airbrushed when it comes to possibly questionable royal activities. There's also a reference to an Orlando newspaper, but it's only available in US.
    Can't think of a place called Orlando in Estonia!
    See what you mean, although I did reference the US. Should I add the 'of A' to make it clearer?

    But we're talking about the "hypothetical" Estonian Monarchy, not that of the USA!
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,617
    If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,631
    eristdoof said:

    Bercow would lead a “cabinet of all the talents”

    Irrespective of what people actually think of the quality of this cabinet, calling it the "cabinet of all the talents" is just asking for it.

    All the talents? Not a single MP?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,733
    malcolmg said:

    eristdoof said:

    Bercow would lead a “cabinet of all the talents”

    Irrespective of what people actually think of the quality of this cabinet, calling it the "cabinet of all the talents" is just asking for it.

    A Cabinet of all the Losers.
    That is more like it , would take another 3 years searching to find any talent for a cabinet at Westminster
    IKEA?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,631
    Boris Johnson - animal, vegetable or mineral?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 2,093
    Artist said:

    If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

    Why should the opposition follow the minority governments supporters wishes? Once the govt has deliberately divided the country into them and us, surely it is the oppositions job to follow the wishes of the opponents of the government?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 12,207
    ---- And Im back PB more addictive than Betfair!!

    Speaking of which


    2019-07-07 23:00
    to
    2019-10-06 12:22

    No idea where Profit went!!


    American Football: £256.99 | Australian Rules: -£108.19 | Basketball: £220.38 | Boxing: £6.40 | Cricket: £204.37 | Darts: -£16.49 | Football: £767.86 | Golf: £618.66 | Horse Racing: £300.85 | Politics: £9.44 | Rugby League: £170.54 | Rugby Union: £224.17 | Snooker: -£509.32 | Tennis: -£245.47 | Volleyball: £75.99 Total P&L: £1,976.18
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 3,949

    ---- And Im back PB more addictive than Betfair!!

    Speaking of which


    2019-07-07 23:00
    to
    2019-10-06 12:22

    No idea where Profit went!!


    American Football: £256.99 | Australian Rules: -£108.19 | Basketball: £220.38 | Boxing: £6.40 | Cricket: £204.37 | Darts: -£16.49 | Football: £767.86 | Golf: £618.66 | Horse Racing: £300.85 | Politics: £9.44 | Rugby League: £170.54 | Rugby Union: £224.17 | Snooker: -£509.32 | Tennis: -£245.47 | Volleyball: £75.99 Total P&L: £1,976.18

    Glad you are .
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 1,137
    That is very good. Off topic, my son's school did the Pirates of Penzance - he played the Pirate King. I'm not a massive fan of Gilbert and Sullivan but seeing a load of Year 4s doing it was hilarious.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 12,207
    Yorkcity said:

    ---- And Im back PB more addictive than Betfair!!

    Speaking of which


    2019-07-07 23:00
    to
    2019-10-06 12:22

    No idea where Profit went!!


    American Football: £256.99 | Australian Rules: -£108.19 | Basketball: £220.38 | Boxing: £6.40 | Cricket: £204.37 | Darts: -£16.49 | Football: £767.86 | Golf: £618.66 | Horse Racing: £300.85 | Politics: £9.44 | Rugby League: £170.54 | Rugby Union: £224.17 | Snooker: -£509.32 | Tennis: -£245.47 | Volleyball: £75.99 Total P&L: £1,976.18

    Glad you are .
    8 bottles of Magners at the side of my armchair this morning ffs

  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 20,995
    Artist said:

    If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

    The opposition parties just might be thinking that Bercow taking the rap for whatever drastic measures are needed to extricate the country from Bozo’s mess might not be such a bad thing?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 16,173
    Even with Ruth's customary reverse ferreting, that's quite a definitive statement.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,733
    Artist said:

    If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

    GNU? More of a Wildebeest man, myself :lol:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 15,200
    Artist said:

    If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

    While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,762
    edited October 6
    Yorkcity said:
    "Don’t be fooled by his surface decency – he has unleashed the divisive red guard outriders in Momentum on some of the best in the Labour party. And Andrew Fisher, his policy director, when resigning wrote about the “blizzard of lies and excuses” and lack of “human decency” at the top. Corbyn’s radical socialism is so beyond even normal radical leftism that he constitutes a public menace, reflected in personal poll ratings of minus 60."

    And yet he wants to put his trust in him.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 15,200
    ydoethur said:

    Boris Johnson - animal, vegetable or mineral?

    Outside of Linnaean taxonomy, I suspect.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 15,200

    Yorkcity said:

    ---- And Im back PB more addictive than Betfair!!

    Speaking of which


    2019-07-07 23:00
    to
    2019-10-06 12:22

    No idea where Profit went!!


    American Football: £256.99 | Australian Rules: -£108.19 | Basketball: £220.38 | Boxing: £6.40 | Cricket: £204.37 | Darts: -£16.49 | Football: £767.86 | Golf: £618.66 | Horse Racing: £300.85 | Politics: £9.44 | Rugby League: £170.54 | Rugby Union: £224.17 | Snooker: -£509.32 | Tennis: -£245.47 | Volleyball: £75.99 Total P&L: £1,976.18

    Glad you are .
    8 bottles of Magners at the side of my armchair this morning ffs

    Full or empty ?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 16,229

    Yorkcity said:

    ---- And Im back PB more addictive than Betfair!!

    Speaking of which


    2019-07-07 23:00
    to
    2019-10-06 12:22

    No idea where Profit went!!


    American Football: £256.99 | Australian Rules: -£108.19 | Basketball: £220.38 | Boxing: £6.40 | Cricket: £204.37 | Darts: -£16.49 | Football: £767.86 | Golf: £618.66 | Horse Racing: £300.85 | Politics: £9.44 | Rugby League: £170.54 | Rugby Union: £224.17 | Snooker: -£509.32 | Tennis: -£245.47 | Volleyball: £75.99 Total P&L: £1,976.18

    Glad you are .
    8 bottles of Magners at the side of my armchair this morning ffs

    Alternative questions:
    Full or empty?
    Or
    Been watching the Rugby?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,631
    Yorkcity said:
    That's the kiss of death for Jeremy Corbyn given Hutton's record.

    So good news...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 27,418
    Nigelb said:

    Artist said:

    If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

    While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?
    Ask the voters......
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,733

    Nigelb said:

    Artist said:

    If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

    While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?
    Ask the voters......
    Second referendum?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 10,265
    edited October 6
    Nigelb said:

    Artist said:

    If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

    While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?
    You don't understand Leaver logic

    1) Boris Johnson, elected as leader of Conservative Party by Conservative Party activists: entirely democratic Prime Minister, what is all the fuss.
    2) John Bercow, elected as PM by a majority of MPs: coup! Hang the traitor!

    To put it simply: when a Leaver does it, it's not treason. For example, if Jacob Rees-Mogg stands to make a personal profit of about £15M from Brexit by selling his fund management company then that is perfectly fine, and not even slightly a conflict of interest, oh dear me no.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 1,343
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Boris Johnson - animal, vegetable or mineral?

    Outside of Linnaean taxonomy, I suspect.
    So a fungus or bacterium then!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,631

    Nigelb said:

    Artist said:

    If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

    While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?
    Ask the voters......
    When was the last time we had two changes of PM between elections in peacetime (as the 1935-45 parliament with two, technically three changes was under very unusual circumstances)?

    I've got a feeling it was 1902 and 1905, between the elections of 1900 and 1906.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 3,949
    ydoethur said:

    Yorkcity said:
    That's the kiss of death for Jeremy Corbyn given Hutton's record.

    So good news...
    I read his book , The State we're in , back in 1995.
    Which seemed influential in the new Labour era.

    How did you rate it ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 15,200

    Nigelb said:

    Artist said:

    If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

    While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?
    Ask the voters......
    Well. you’re one. Perhaps you would like to answer the question ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,631
    Yorkcity said:

    ydoethur said:

    Yorkcity said:
    That's the kiss of death for Jeremy Corbyn given Hutton's record.

    So good news...
    I read his book , The State we're in , back in 1995.
    Which seemed influential in the new Labour era.

    How did you rate it ?
    I don't think I ever have read that one. I read his book on China, which was a fair amount of nonsense that showed he hadn't done much reading even of the basic texts on the subject. It's more his bizarre pronouncements on economic events that get to me. I remember years ago he wrote an article saying the collapse of RBS showed how we were fools not to join the Euro, when everyone with a brain was saying the polar opposite.

    That said, he is of course not as bad as Anatole Kaletsky.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 15,200
    eristdoof said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Boris Johnson - animal, vegetable or mineral?

    Outside of Linnaean taxonomy, I suspect.
    So a fungus or bacterium then!
    Archaea might be more appropriate.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 8,862
    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Artist said:

    If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

    While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?
    You don't understand Leaver logic

    1) Boris Johnson, elected as leader of Conservative Party by Conservative Party activists: entirely democratic Prime Minister, what is all the fuss.
    2) John Bercow, elected as PM by a majority of MPs: coup! Hang the traitor!

    To put it simply: when a Leaver does it, it's not treason. For example, if Jacob Rees-Mogg stands to make a personal profit of about £15M from Brexit by selling his fund management company then that is perfectly fine, and not even slightly a conflict of interest, oh dear me no.
    On the contrary, I've heard a great deal of foam flecked rhetoric about 'hedge fund managers' and wrecking Tories who stand to gain from Brexit, but next to nothing about those who would stand to gain (or lose) literal fortunes from the nexus of EU patronage and influence, from those who can see their dreams of comfortable sinecures disintegrating, and are therefore fighting like dogs to stay in.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 1,343
    malcolmg said:

    I suppose it'd be hilarious if Bercow did simultaneously manage to resign the Speaker's position when he said he would but only by becoming temporary PM instead. I think there'd be some fairly apoplectic speeches in the Commons.

    But we're still in that place where Brexit has been for a while that all the possible options sound hilariously implausible and yet one of them must be the truth.

    On Vince, I'm not sure why people would particularly be "eyeing up" roles unless the plan was genuinely to try and make the GONU last any length of time.

    People must be having a joke, more like GONADS than GONU
    We had that joke two weeks ago, .... and four weeks ago, and ...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,762
    Norm said:

    twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1180794818949271552

    This could be interesting.

    Wonder how much they paid her?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 15,200

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Artist said:

    If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

    While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?
    You don't understand Leaver logic

    1) Boris Johnson, elected as leader of Conservative Party by Conservative Party activists: entirely democratic Prime Minister, what is all the fuss.
    2) John Bercow, elected as PM by a majority of MPs: coup! Hang the traitor!

    To put it simply: when a Leaver does it, it's not treason. For example, if Jacob Rees-Mogg stands to make a personal profit of about £15M from Brexit by selling his fund management company then that is perfectly fine, and not even slightly a conflict of interest, oh dear me no.
    On the contrary, I've heard a great deal of foam flecked rhetoric about 'hedge fund managers' and wrecking Tories who stand to gain from Brexit, but next to nothing about those who would stand to gain (or lose) literal fortunes from the nexus of EU patronage and influence, from those who can see their dreams of comfortable sinecures disintegrating, and are therefore fighting like dogs to stay in.
    And yet are the most enthusiastic - the Lib Dems - overrepresented in such positions ?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,762
    Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 15,200
    Nigelb said:

    eristdoof said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Boris Johnson - animal, vegetable or mineral?

    Outside of Linnaean taxonomy, I suspect.
    So a fungus or bacterium then!
    Archaea might be more appropriate.
    Speaking of which...
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/06/boris-johnson-classics-prime-minister-latin-greek
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,631

    Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

    Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

    Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,607
    BJ. Being replaced by JB! Interesting shuffle of letters. :sunglasses:
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 3,949
    ydoethur said:

    Yorkcity said:

    ydoethur said:

    Yorkcity said:
    That's the kiss of death for Jeremy Corbyn given Hutton's record.

    So good news...
    I read his book , The State we're in , back in 1995.
    Which seemed influential in the new Labour era.

    How did you rate it ?
    I don't think I ever have read that one. I read his book on China, which was a fair amount of nonsense that showed he hadn't done much reading even of the basic texts on the subject. It's more his bizarre pronouncements on economic events that get to me. I remember years ago he wrote an article saying the collapse of RBS showed how we were fools not to join the Euro, when everyone with a brain was saying the polar opposite.

    That said, he is of course not as bad as Anatole Kaletsky.
    Yes , I remember his position on the Euro, which as you say seemed extreme under the circumstances.
    Luckily Brown for whatever reason prevented Blair from taking the UK into the Euro.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 10,265

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Artist said:

    If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

    While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?
    You don't understand Leaver logic

    1) Boris Johnson, elected as leader of Conservative Party by Conservative Party activists: entirely democratic Prime Minister, what is all the fuss.
    2) John Bercow, elected as PM by a majority of MPs: coup! Hang the traitor!

    To put it simply: when a Leaver does it, it's not treason. For example, if Jacob Rees-Mogg stands to make a personal profit of about £15M from Brexit by selling his fund management company then that is perfectly fine, and not even slightly a conflict of interest, oh dear me no.
    On the contrary, I've heard a great deal of foam flecked rhetoric about 'hedge fund managers' and wrecking Tories who stand to gain from Brexit, but next to nothing about those who would stand to gain (or lose) literal fortunes from the nexus of EU patronage and influence, from those who can see their dreams of comfortable sinecures disintegrating, and are therefore fighting like dogs to stay in.
    Fair point, and Jacob Rees-Mogg, private citizen, is perfectly entitled to make as much money as he can from Brexit, and good luck to him. It's the fact that he has influence at Government level via his attendance in Cabinet (tho not a Cabinet member), that is the bit where the conflict comes into play.

    In the interests of balance, please feel free to point out the anti-Brexit influencers in the various Shadow and former Cabinets, of which I am sure there is at least one.
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,607
    Norm said:
    If BJ is not bonking her anymore, asumming he was in the past. What has she to lose? Especially, if they are no longer on good terms!
  • The_TaxmanThe_Taxman Posts: 2,607
    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    Artist said:

    If the speaker was widely seen as neutral, it may not have been a bad idea for him to be the one to just hold fort whilst everyone else campaigns in an election. Installing Bercow however would just add to the perception of it being a remainer coup, which the Tories would jump all over. Opposition parties need to put this GNU idea to bed.

    While it might not be the most popular of ideas (for me, too), in what way would installing a new PM backed by a majority in Parliament be a ‘coup’ ?
    You don't understand Leaver logic

    1) Boris Johnson, elected as leader of Conservative Party by Conservative Party activists: entirely democratic Prime Minister, what is all the fuss.
    2) John Bercow, elected as PM by a majority of MPs: coup! Hang the traitor!

    To put it simply: when a Leaver does it, it's not treason. For example, if Jacob Rees-Mogg stands to make a personal profit of about £15M from Brexit by selling his fund management company then that is perfectly fine, and not even slightly a conflict of interest, oh dear me no.
    I dont know why LD/ Labour or SNP dont make more of JRM standing to make more out of Brexit?
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 568
    ydoethur said:

    Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

    Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

    Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
    Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election.
    If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.

    In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,762
    edited October 6
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    eristdoof said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Boris Johnson - animal, vegetable or mineral?

    Outside of Linnaean taxonomy, I suspect.
    So a fungus or bacterium then!
    Archaea might be more appropriate.
    Speaking of which...
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/06/boris-johnson-classics-prime-minister-latin-greek
    I notice she makes a dig about Boris being at Eton, while she has tried to claim in the past she went to a not very good former grammar school that wasn't posh at all....except it was the best private school in Stoke area, is of course selective and is where all the upper middle class kids go.

    If you ask people in Stoke what that school is, they will tell you its where all the poshos go.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,762
    edited October 6

    twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/1180822751369682949

    I see a business opportunity. While travelling in Latin America a number of years ago, I was told about "Push Button" Hotels, that exist off many main roads.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 13,120

    ydoethur said:

    Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

    Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

    Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
    Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election.
    If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.

    In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
    No breweries involved here. Tory and Labour sources are both telling me to expect Nov 28 or Dec 5. The campaign period is 5 weeks, not 6, so that fits a decision after the EU summit on Oct 24 or (ahem) Oct 31.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,631

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    eristdoof said:

    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Boris Johnson - animal, vegetable or mineral?

    Outside of Linnaean taxonomy, I suspect.
    So a fungus or bacterium then!
    Archaea might be more appropriate.
    Speaking of which...
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/06/boris-johnson-classics-prime-minister-latin-greek
    I notice she makes a dig about Boris being at Eton, while she has tried to claim in the past she went to a not very good former grammar school that wasn't posh at all....except it was the best private school in Stoke area, is of course selective and is where all the upper middle class kids go.

    If you ask people in Stoke what that school is, they will tell you its where all the poshos go.
    Which school was that? Newcastle under Lyme?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,762
    Question - Why are the Hong Kong protesters targeting Metro stations? Meaning they then have to walk miles home.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 27,307
    edited October 6
    Hillary Clinton is currently third favourite for the Democratic nomination.

    EDIT: on Betfair.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,003
    edited October 6

    ydoethur said:

    Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

    Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

    Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
    Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election.
    If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.

    In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
    No breweries involved here. Tory and Labour sources are both telling me to expect Nov 28 or Dec 5. The campaign period is 5 weeks, not 6, so that fits a decision after the EU summit on Oct 24 or (ahem) Oct 31.
    I really hope this isn't Labour's plan (and of course, even if it is the Labour leadership's plan, Labour rebels alone could potentially come close to making up the third of the Commons that is required to veto an election motion under the FTPA).

    There is no way of Labour prospering in an election with Brexit still up in the air. Johnson would run rampant in the Labour Leave constituencies (despite all the misleading bollocks about "230% of Labour supporters in every constituency want to Remain").
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,762
    Given we are getting nationalized zipcar, I think nationalized Pret sounds perfectly possible idea from the Maomentumers brain trust.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 10,265
    No. The world is full of people on the top row of Jenga kicking out the bottom row because they think it won't affect them.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 22,938
    edited October 6

    Hillary Clinton is currently third favourite for the Democratic nomination.

    EDIT: on Betfair.

    LOL! Laying that is free money surely, or are the Dems going to collectively shoot themselves in the foot again?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,631

    Given we are getting nationalized zipcar, I think nationalized Pret sounds perfectly possible idea from the Maomentumers brain trust.
    They wish to have their cake, then eat it?
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,198
    edited October 6
    Danny565 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

    Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

    Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
    Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election.
    If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.

    In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
    No breweries involved here. Tory and Labour sources are both telling me to expect Nov 28 or Dec 5. The campaign period is 5 weeks, not 6, so that fits a decision after the EU summit on Oct 24 or (ahem) Oct 31.
    I really hope this isn't Labour's plan (and of course, even if it is the Labour leadership's plan, Labour rebels alone could potentially come close to making up the third of the Commons that is required to veto an election motion under the FTPA).

    There is no way of Labour prospering in an election with Brexit still up in the air. Johnson would run rampant in the Labour Leave constituencies (despite all the misleading bollocks about "230% of Labour supporters in every constituency want to Remain").
    One option Labour won't take but should is to agree the Boris deal with a teak or two which the EU would find difficult to resist if it has Commons backing and then continue to hold him prisoner by refusing to vote for an election. By May 2020 or whenever the reality of long term ongoing negotiations over the second stage kick in their poll ratings could well be recovering especially with the Lib Dems revoke meme no longer relevant as we would have already exited. At the same time TBP or its successor would be on the the Tories case over accepting the deal rather than clean Brexit.
  • ---- And Im back PB more addictive than Betfair!!

    Speaking of which


    2019-07-07 23:00
    to
    2019-10-06 12:22

    No idea where Profit went!!


    American Football: £256.99 | Australian Rules: -£108.19 | Basketball: £220.38 | Boxing: £6.40 | Cricket: £204.37 | Darts: -£16.49 | Football: £767.86 | Golf: £618.66 | Horse Racing: £300.85 | Politics: £9.44 | Rugby League: £170.54 | Rugby Union: £224.17 | Snooker: -£509.32 | Tennis: -£245.47 | Volleyball: £75.99 Total P&L: £1,976.18

    Issa made a loss again

    Football: -£89.77 | Motor Sport: -£33.00 Total P&L: -£122.77

    With a capital limit of 5.5K I'm sure there must be some sort of moral hazard going on (Coffey please don't look into this unless you're upping the capital limits for benefits street)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 54,894
    Sandpit said:

    Hillary Clinton is currently third favourite for the Democratic nomination.

    EDIT: on Betfair.

    LOL! Laying that is free money surely, or are the Dems going to collectively shoot themselves in the foot again?
    Given they have two old party grandees lined up I very much doubt she'll run. If Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang were leading with Sanders third she might think about it.
    But Warren/Biden ? No.
  • JBriskinindyref2JBriskinindyref2 Posts: 1,452
    edited October 6

    ---- And Im back PB more addictive than Betfair!!

    Speaking of which


    2019-07-07 23:00
    to
    2019-10-06 12:22

    No idea where Profit went!!


    American Football: £256.99 | Australian Rules: -£108.19 | Basketball: £220.38 | Boxing: £6.40 | Cricket: £204.37 | Darts: -£16.49 | Football: £767.86 | Golf: £618.66 | Horse Racing: £300.85 | Politics: £9.44 | Rugby League: £170.54 | Rugby Union: £224.17 | Snooker: -£509.32 | Tennis: -£245.47 | Volleyball: £75.99 Total P&L: £1,976.18

    Issa made a loss again

    Football: -£89.77 | Motor Sport: -£33.00 Total P&L: -£122.77

    With a capital limit of 5.5K I'm sure there must be some sort of moral hazard going on (Coffey please don't look into this unless you're upping the capital limits for benefits street)
    Actually my 2019-07-07 to 2019-10-06 is a lot better.


    Cricket: -£12.58 | Football: -£21.78 | Motor Sport: £55.01 | Politics: -£42.98 Total P&L: -£22.33
  • ChrisChris Posts: 4,570

    ydoethur said:

    Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

    Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

    Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
    Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election.
    If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.

    In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
    No breweries involved here. Tory and Labour sources are both telling me to expect Nov 28 or Dec 5. The campaign period is 5 weeks, not 6, so that fits a decision after the EU summit on Oct 24 or (ahem) Oct 31.
    How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,631
    Chris said:

    ydoethur said:

    Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

    Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

    Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
    Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election.
    If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.

    In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
    No breweries involved here. Tory and Labour sources are both telling me to expect Nov 28 or Dec 5. The campaign period is 5 weeks, not 6, so that fits a decision after the EU summit on Oct 24 or (ahem) Oct 31.
    How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?
    Hint: it wouldn't.

    I'm still thinking breweries.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 4,570
    ydoethur said:

    Chris said:

    ydoethur said:

    Labour Looking for Election "This Side of Christmas" - Shami Chakrabarti

    Well, unless they come to an agreement with Johnson in the next 48 hours they've pretty much missed their opportunity, haven't they?

    Honestly, a phrase about breweries springs to mind with the current Labour Party.
    Aye. I can just about see a November election, but no one will want a December election.
    If a VoNC or an election agreement isn't sorted in the next few days, the window for November will be missed and then no one will want one in December.

    In fact, my view is that its either November, or not till next March. The six week campaign period practically makes it unlikely to have an election (and related campaign) span any of December or early January.
    No breweries involved here. Tory and Labour sources are both telling me to expect Nov 28 or Dec 5. The campaign period is 5 weeks, not 6, so that fits a decision after the EU summit on Oct 24 or (ahem) Oct 31.
    How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?
    Hint: it wouldn't.

    I'm still thinking breweries.
    I'm just trying to work out whether Nick is hinting that some kind of deal has been done - an extension in return for an election?

    Otherwise I don't see how it could happen.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,762
    Second whistleblower comes forward in the impeachment inquiry into US President Donald Trump, lawyers tell US media
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 4,757

    Second whistleblower comes forward in the impeachment inquiry into US President Donald Trump, lawyers tell US media

    Good. The more the merrier.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 54,894
    Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 4,757
    Can be quite caustic these older women sometimes ...

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 11,516
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 11,516
    Pulpstar said:

    Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me

    I think this is a bad take.

    Trump is just criming it up all over the place. Documented crimes keep falling out of his pocket in real time.

    People state Republican Senators are going to have the ultimate attack ad played against them 24/7 once they vote to clear Trump.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,631
    Alistair said:
    Mr Speaker, we should give up if necessary not just a part, but even the whole of our constitution to preserve the remainder!

    (With apologies to Sir Boyle Roche.)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 16,229
    kinabalu said:

    Can be quite caustic these older women sometimes ...

    I wonder if she's got any relations in Bristol?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,003
    edited October 6
    Pulpstar said:

    Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me

    If it culminates in another 9% lead for the Democrats in the next election, then that sounds OK to me.
  • glwglw Posts: 5,422
    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trump impeachment seems like Kavanaugh the 2nd to me

    I think this is a bad take.

    Trump is just criming it up all over the place. Documented crimes keep falling out of his pocket in real time.

    People state Republican Senators are going to have the ultimate attack ad played against them 24/7 once they vote to clear Trump.
    Exactly. How many of the GOP weasels are going to die in a ditch to protect a man that most of them probably hate?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 4,757

    I wonder if she's got any relations in Bristol?

    That's what it brought to mind - 'Brenda' or 'Mrs Duffy'.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 35,762
    kinabalu said:

    Can be quite caustic these older women sometimes ...

    twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1180797220473454592

    I'll put her down as a maybe....
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 13,120
    Chris said:



    How would that work? With an extension being sought and agreed, and then by a 2/3 vote for an election?

    Whether the extension is agreed or not, the game will be played out by the 19th, when Johnson will either have sent the letter or not. At that point, the VONC will pass by 2/3.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 8,272
    Do me a favour - nice trolling though!!
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