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    Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    edited December 2019
    1st unlike Boris and his nasty party
    (Well, I can always hope :D:D )
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    vikvik Posts: 157
    2nd. yay.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    edited December 2019
    Champs League qualification spot after all?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    edited December 2019
    4th, like...I mean, who cares about fourth?
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    I found somebody this morning who keeps emu.
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    4th, like...I mean, who cares about fourth?

    I do....
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095

    4th, like...I mean, who cares about fourth?

    I do....
    Fourth is the third loser.....
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    I found somebody this morning who keeps emu.

    Rod Hull?
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    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we got a hung Parliament.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,954
    edited December 2019
    Fck me, imagine that turning up on your doorstep.
    https://twitter.com/willgoring/status/1201058101790687233?s=20
    Perhaps HYUFD can confirm if 'Vote Labour & lose your house' is an actual doorstep strategy?
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Will LAB go ahead on MORI??
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,839

    4th, like...I mean, who cares about fourth?

    Arsenal and Man United fans?
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    eekeek Posts: 24,932
    edited December 2019

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we got a hung Parliament.

    The Tories getting 318 seats really wouldn't surprise.
    Mind you the Tories getting 380 seats wouldn't surprise me either.
    I just can't read this election at all. Surprisingly in the town centre over the weekend the only party with a stand was the BXP when previously both Labour and the Tories always have had.
    Labour did call yesterday and Boris sent me a letter today about my Postal Vote. That really should have arrived last week so I don't know who screwed up there.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,905
    BBC wading into the No Deal borrowing vs. Labour borrowing debate.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50628644

    So we can borrow a bit more to have a No Deal Brexit and trash our economy, or we can borrow a bit less to have Labour's investment in a green New Deal.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Unite boss Len McCluskey has revealed that a “big number” of the union's members are not ready to vote Labour.

    more bribes - that should do it
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    llefllef Posts: 298
    An ICM poll for Reuters is showing:
    Conservatives 42%. That is +1% from a week ago
    Labour 35%. Also +1% from a week ago

    https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/politics-news-pmn/uk-pm-johnsons-conservatives-maintain-7-point-lead-over-labour-icm-poll
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    eekeek Posts: 24,932
    rkrkrk said:

    BBC wading into the No Deal borrowing vs. Labour borrowing debate.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50628644

    So we can borrow a bit more to have a No Deal Brexit and trash our economy, or we can borrow a bit less to have Labour's investment in a green New Deal.

    Question? Once we've spent all that money having trashed the economy how do we pay it back as the economy is still trashed?

    In other desperate times calls for desperate lies stories

    https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1201405441537970181
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    edited December 2019
    ***** FREE MONEY OPPORTUNITY *****
    Stake 57.14% on Labour to win Reading East at 2.25 (5/4) with SkyBet or Laddies and the remaining 42.86% of your stake on the Tories to win the same seat at 3.0 (2/1) with Paddy Power or Betfair Sportsbook, to earn a profit margin of 28.57% in 11 days' time on your total stake, irrespective of whichever of these parties wins the seat.
    Has to beat working for a living!
    As ever, DYOR
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    Has anyone got any (preferably informed) views on whether the Greens or Labour will come second in Isle of Wight? The YouGov MRP has Labour slightly ahead of the Greens, but the betting is the other way round.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,079

    I found somebody this morning who keeps emu.

    Rod Hull?
    Something a little creepy about that act, I always thought.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    Sandpit said:

    4th, like...I mean, who cares about fourth?

    Arsenal and Man United fans?
    Like I said......
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    TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    Is it just me or are there vwery few Tory stakeboards out there? I've only seen one Tory-voting field near Wantage so far this election. Lots of LD houses. One or two Labour ones.
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    Thanks, Mr. Putney :)
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882
    ICM polls since election called: Tory leads of 7,8,10,7,7
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    llef said:

    An ICM poll for Reuters is showing:
    Conservatives 42%. That is +1% from a week ago
    Labour 35%. Also +1% from a week ago

    https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/politics-news-pmn/uk-pm-johnsons-conservatives-maintain-7-point-lead-over-labour-icm-poll

    Must be some huge squeeze on the lib dems going on.
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    The Brexit (unemployment) benefits continue to roll in....
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,905
    eek said:

    rkrkrk said:

    BBC wading into the No Deal borrowing vs. Labour borrowing debate.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50628644

    So we can borrow a bit more to have a No Deal Brexit and trash our economy, or we can borrow a bit less to have Labour's investment in a green New Deal.

    Question? Once we've spent all that money having trashed the economy how do we pay it back as the economy is still trashed?

    In other desperate times calls for desperate lies stories

    https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1201405441537970181
    You can get 2/1 on the Labour candidate in Chingford and Woodford Green.
    Personally I'd want a little longer than that even though the Labour candidate looks impressive.
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    kinabalu said:

    I found somebody this morning who keeps emu.

    Rod Hull?
    Something a little creepy about that act, I always thought.
    All ventriloquists are creepy, it's in the nature of the act.
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    rkrkrk said:

    eek said:

    rkrkrk said:

    BBC wading into the No Deal borrowing vs. Labour borrowing debate.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50628644

    So we can borrow a bit more to have a No Deal Brexit and trash our economy, or we can borrow a bit less to have Labour's investment in a green New Deal.

    Question? Once we've spent all that money having trashed the economy how do we pay it back as the economy is still trashed?

    In other desperate times calls for desperate lies stories

    https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1201405441537970181
    You can get 2/1 on the Labour candidate in Chingford and Woodford Green.
    Personally I'd want a little longer than that even though the Labour candidate looks impressive.
    If she can take this seat and hold it I think she is destined for great things.
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    rkrkrk said:

    You can get 2/1 on the Labour candidate in Chingford and Woodford Green.
    Personally I'd want a little longer than that even though the Labour candidate looks impressive.

    I would love to see IDS have a "Portillo moment". I wonder if they are actually expecting Labour to win his seat. I know his majority is not massive, but even so...
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095

    kinabalu said:

    I found somebody this morning who keeps emu.

    Rod Hull?
    Something a little creepy about that act, I always thought.
    All ventriloquists are creepy, it's in the nature of the act.
    Which would have some bearing if Emu had ever actually said anything!
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    camelcamel Posts: 815
    kinabalu said:

    I found somebody this morning who keeps emu.

    Rod Hull?
    Something a little creepy about that act, I always thought.
    There's a man who would have benefited from free broadband and the live TV streaming opportunities thus derived.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,913
    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095

    The Brexit (unemployment) benefits continue to roll in....
    So, you want to take a bow do you Remainers, for fucking up the ability of business to plan? Because those job losses should be on your consciences - and not something to gloat about....
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,152

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we got a hung Parliament.

    I've been saying that from the start.
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    camelcamel Posts: 815

    kinabalu said:

    I found somebody this morning who keeps emu.

    Rod Hull?
    Something a little creepy about that act, I always thought.
    All ventriloquists are creepy, it's in the nature of the act.
    Voice projection wasn't the mainstay of his act.
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    kinabalu said:

    I found somebody this morning who keeps emu.

    Rod Hull?
    Something a little creepy about that act, I always thought.
    I liked Billie Connolly's line: 'I told Rod Hull: if that emu comes anywhere near me I'll break its f*cking neck.'
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    A bit like 1979 except that
    - no one votes LAB in Scotland now
    - everyone votes LAB in London and SE now!

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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,913
    Labour have finally broken 34 and now at 35. It is tight!
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    kinabalu said:

    I found somebody this morning who keeps emu.

    Rod Hull?
    Something a little creepy about that act, I always thought.
    All ventriloquists are creepy, it's in the nature of the act.
    I've never found Jeff Dunham's act creepy, just hilarious.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    Tabman said:

    Is it just me or are there vwery few Tory stakeboards out there? I've only seen one Tory-voting field near Wantage so far this election. Lots of LD houses. One or two Labour ones.

    3 posters spotted for me so far this election (North Midlands Brexit central).

    1 Brexit Party Bassetlaw
    2 Tory N E Derbyshire.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,932
    camel said:

    kinabalu said:

    I found somebody this morning who keeps emu.

    Rod Hull?
    Something a little creepy about that act, I always thought.
    There's a man who would have benefited from free broadband and the live TV streaming opportunities thus derived.
    He was very much into the Ken Dodd school of money saving and really should have paid someone to adjust the aerial.
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    camel said:

    kinabalu said:

    I found somebody this morning who keeps emu.

    Rod Hull?
    Something a little creepy about that act, I always thought.
    All ventriloquists are creepy, it's in the nature of the act.
    Voice projection wasn't the mainstay of his act.
    You're right, apologies.
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    DougSeal said:

    nichomar said:

    DougSeal said:

    Theresa May was never my leader, I abandoned the party when she was elected and unequivocally stated my opposition to her thank you very much. She was as much my leader as Jeremy Corbyn is currently Chuka's leader.
    Your unsubstantiated bullshit claimed are disproven by the facts. We received over 200k net non-EU immigration last year - do you really believe those are all Russian oligarchs? Muppet.
    Please try and provide some evidence to substantiate your lies because reality and facts are not on your side.

    That’s total non-EU you muppet, including asylum seekers, family members and the like. There is no breakdown by category.

    You want a fact? The total number of people admitted under the Innovator Visa in the last three months was 2 (two as in one more than 1)

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/833b08fe-ec49-11e9-85f4-d00e5018f061

    In the last 10 years only a few more than 21,000 people have been able to settle as a. Entrepreneur-

    https://www.connaughtlaw.com/uk-entrepreneur-visa-success-rate-extensions-settlement/

    So the points based system you relentlessly champion has not managed to attract enough “best and brightest” to half fill a decent sized football stadium.

    Grow a brain.
    Those aren't the only categories though are they? Innovators can get in through other schemes which is perhaps why that visa system is underutilised. As for the chart of the entrepreneur scheme, that YOU chose to highlight, that seems to show increasing numbers in recent years. Thousands of entrepreneurs per year coming here is a good thing not a bad thing in my eyes.

    At least you've expanded from just Russian Oligarchs now, but unless you are claiming that 200k "Russian oligarchs, asylum seekers and family members" came last year the evidence does show the points system is working at attracting people - increasing numbers of people in fact. As for family members, not sure why you'd want to exclude or trivialise them? Same for asylum seekers.
    42% of immigration is either under 16 or over 65 so obviously family members with more family member immigration from outside of the EU.
    Quite. The chart above does nothing to support @Philip_Thompson ’s contention that our points based system is geared towards the “brightest and best”. The number of people it lets in based on their own merits is tiny and getting smaller.
    The point would be relevant if I'd said we should permit the best and brightest but tell them to leave their children behind. I would think if someone talented were permitted in they would and should be able to bring their family with them.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,920

    llef said:

    An ICM poll for Reuters is showing:
    Conservatives 42%. That is +1% from a week ago
    Labour 35%. Also +1% from a week ago

    https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/politics-news-pmn/uk-pm-johnsons-conservatives-maintain-7-point-lead-over-labour-icm-poll

    Must be some huge squeeze on the lib dems going on.
    Apparently they're unchanged on 13%
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    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Presumably this won't reduce the Tories' running average poll lead, since they have maintained their 7% lead over Labour with that erstwhile Rolls Royce of pollsters, ICM. It's not so much the LibDems who are being squeezed here as the minor parties, suggesting that amongst the big three there's really not much left to be squeezed.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,708

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    7 points - are you getting worried Marquee_Mark?
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,111

    The Brexit (unemployment) benefits continue to roll in....
    So, you want to take a bow do you Remainers, for fucking up the ability of business to plan? Because those job losses should be on your consciences - and not something to gloat about....
    Yeah, because you Brexiteers are all united in the endgame aren’t you?
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    An MRP update would be fascinating. Is a bit of Leabour Leave coming home or is Labour hoovering up southern remainers where it doesn’t need them?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    They are going to be down seats at this rate, certainly down from what they had at the end of the Parliament. @Richard_Nabavi is going to be exceptionally smug.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    Looks like we will have to do a deal with SuperJo.

    Or maybe it will have to be SuperLayla.

    And APNI. And PC (our new special friends)


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    Stocky said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    7 points - are you getting worried Marquee_Mark?
    The key is the midlands and the north leave seats

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    Also, based on the last few weeks am I right in thinking the polls just before the election (apart from Yougov) are like to be the ones that tend to have shown the closest race? Will affect the narrative, and the markets, if so.
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    DavidL said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    They are going to be down seats at this rate, certainly down from what they had at the end of the Parliament. @Richard_Nabavi is going to be exceptionally smug.
    No more than usual.
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    Boris Johnson's tweets about London Bridge 'copied and pasted' from blog
    "the Secret Barrister tweeted: "The Prime Minister has basically copied and pasted my blogpost into a thread and passed it off as his own explanation.
    "A blogpost which I had to write to rebut the lies he spent yesterday spouting. This is weapons grade s***housery."
    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-tweets-about-london-bridge-copied-and-pasted-from-blog-11876300
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    camelcamel Posts: 815

    ***** FREE MONEY OPPORTUNITY *****
    Stake 57.14% on Labour to win Reading East at 2.25 (5/4) with SkyBet or Laddies and the remaining 42.86% of your stake on the Tories to win the same seat at 3.0 (2/1) with Paddy Power or Betfair Sportsbook, to earn a profit margin of 28.57% in 11 days' time on your total stake, irrespective of whichever of these parties wins the seat.
    Has to beat working for a living!
    As ever, DYOR

    A small side bet on LibDems does limit my winnings to £5.52 on a £24.48 satke, but I refuse to write the LibDems off anywhere!
    Great free money tip.
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    The Brexit (unemployment) benefits continue to roll in....
    So, you want to take a bow do you Remainers, for fucking up the ability of business to plan? Because those job losses should be on your consciences - and not something to gloat about....
    Well done, that is the most stupid thing you have said on this forum to date, and you certainly set that bar high. Brexit is something that you support; a policy for the economically illiterate. Any job losses are at the door, not of those that voted for it in good faith, but the lying weasels that promoted in the first place, and the politically brain dead who continue to make excuses for them.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Stocky said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    7 points - are you getting worried Marquee_Mark?
    The key is the midlands and the north leave seats

    They are absolutely the key here - if we can get maybe 15 net gains here it could/should be enough
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,123
    I am not completely confident that a 7% lead or 2.5% swing is enough for a comfortable majority but ICM have been pretty consistently at the bottom end of the band throughout this election for the Tories. Doesn't mean that they are wrong of course.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,624
    edited December 2019

    1st unlike Boris and his nasty party
    (Well, I can always hope :D:D )

    He will be first. Question is if by enough, so you might still get what you want.
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    Ave_it said:

    Looks like we will have to do a deal with SuperJo.

    Or maybe it will have to be SuperLayla.

    And APNI. And PC (our new special friends)


    Cancelling Brexit and swapping FPTP for STV should do it.
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    DavidL said:

    I am not completely confident that a 7% lead or 2.5% swing is enough for a comfortable majority but ICM have been pretty consistently at the bottom end of the band throughout this election for the Tories. Doesn't mean that they are wrong of course.

    Hopefully it is no longer the gold standard. Makes me nervous.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,624
    Ave_it said:

    Stocky said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    7 points - are you getting worried Marquee_Mark?
    The key is the midlands and the north leave seats

    They are absolutely the key here - if we can get maybe 15 net gains here it could/should be enough
    Especially if labour lose 6 in Scotland but the tories lose less.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,708

    The Brexit (unemployment) benefits continue to roll in....
    So, you want to take a bow do you Remainers, for fucking up the ability of business to plan? Because those job losses should be on your consciences - and not something to gloat about....
    Well done, that is the most stupid thing you have said on this forum to date, and you certainly set that bar high. Brexit is something that you support; a policy for the economically illiterate. Any job losses are at the door, not of those that voted for it in good faith, but the lying weasels that promoted in the first place, and the politically brain dead who continue to make excuses for them.
    I think this is a tad unfair: I think most people who voted to leave did so for non-economic reasons. I know a few - "sovereignty" and "bringing back control" comes up a lot. They would have voted leave even if they thought that UK would suffer economically.
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    The Brexit (unemployment) benefits continue to roll in....
    So, you want to take a bow do you Remainers, for fucking up the ability of business to plan? Because those job losses should be on your consciences - and not something to gloat about....
    I see that Brexiteers have moved on from saying that the sorry state of the economy is nothing to do with Brexit. It is now down to Brexit uncertainty but is somehow the fault of Remainers.
    If you actually look at the business surveys (eg the composite PMI) you will note that the UK surveys have basically traced the ups and downs of the euro area surveys, except that some time between 2015 and 2017 they went from being consistently stronger than the euro area to consistently weaker. I wonder what might have caused that step down?
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    JamesPJamesP Posts: 85
    edited December 2019
    Betfair overall majority unchanged by ICM. Now 1.52.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,111

    FPT

    DougSeal said:

    nichomar said:



    Those aren't the only categories though are they? Innovators can get in through other schemes which is perhaps why that visa system is underutilised. As for the chart of the entrepreneur scheme, that YOU chose to highlight, that seems to show increasing numbers in recent years. Thousands of entrepreneurs per year coming here is a good thing not a bad thing in my eyes.

    At least you've expanded from just Russian Oligarchs now, but unless you are claiming that 200k "Russian oligarchs, asylum seekers and family members" came last year the evidence does show the points system is working at attracting people - increasing numbers of people in fact. As for family members, not sure why you'd want to exclude or trivialise them? Same for asylum seekers.

    42% of immigration is either under 16 or over 65 so obviously family members with more family member immigration from outside of the EU.
    Quite. The chart above does nothing to support @Philip_Thompson ’s contention that our points based system is geared towards the “brightest and best”. The number of people it lets in based on their own merits is tiny and getting smaller.
    The point would be relevant if I'd said we should permit the best and brightest but tell them to leave their children behind. I would think if someone talented were permitted in they would and should be able to bring their family with them.
    They can normally only bring dependents. Roughly 2,000 people on average have settled every year on an entrepreneur visa since the scheme began. How many young kids do they each have to bring the total up to between 100,000 and 200,000 per year? Are these all highly skilled rabbits? Many of these family members are, admittedly, those of Tier 2 migrants - but that is a sponsored category that has a labour market test not a skills test. Many more are people Brits like me who married someone from outside the EEA.

    Also, I’m still waiting for you to enlighten me on these “other schemes” for innovators you confidently asserted on the previous thread.
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    The Brexit (unemployment) benefits continue to roll in....
    So, you want to take a bow do you Remainers, for fucking up the ability of business to plan? Because those job losses should be on your consciences - and not something to gloat about....
    If you Remainers had just let us continue shooting at our feet we'd have started crawling earlier.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,319

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    That's useful, as there was a suspicion that the previous finding was an outlier, and/or that the London Bridge attacks might have some unpredictable effect. (For what it's worth, my opinion is that people are right not to change their votes either way because of a single terrorist incident, horrible though it was.)



    The question is now what methodological differences ICM has to other polls, so we can assess their relative claims. Can anyone provide a helpful summary?
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    kle4 said:

    Ave_it said:

    Stocky said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    7 points - are you getting worried Marquee_Mark?
    The key is the midlands and the north leave seats

    They are absolutely the key here - if we can get maybe 15 net gains here it could/should be enough
    Especially if labour lose 6 in Scotland but the tories lose less.
    Don't forget LAB and SNP are the same - we have to beat them combined plus with some on top to STOP THE CORBYN
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,079
    edited December 2019

    Boris Johnson's tweets about London Bridge 'copied and pasted' from blog
    "the Secret Barrister tweeted: "The Prime Minister has basically copied and pasted my blogpost into a thread and passed it off as his own explanation.
    "A blogpost which I had to write to rebut the lies he spent yesterday spouting. This is weapons grade s***housery."
    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-tweets-about-london-bridge-copied-and-pasted-from-blog-11876300

    Yes, that was egregious. I suppose he did this sort of thing all the time as a hack but he is now our PM, for heaven's sake. People really should be turned off by such 'low' behaviour, regardless of their politics. In fact, this tightening in the polls, I'm hoping this is the main reason. That people are now starting to get turned off by him.
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    Mr. kle4, fewer.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,932

    Stocky said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    7 points - are you getting worried Marquee_Mark?
    The key is the midlands and the north leave seats

    And I'm finding it hard to read. Last week Darlington was probably a clear Tory win - I'm not so sure now...
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,913
    kinabalu said:

    Boris Johnson's tweets about London Bridge 'copied and pasted' from blog
    "the Secret Barrister tweeted: "The Prime Minister has basically copied and pasted my blogpost into a thread and passed it off as his own explanation.
    "A blogpost which I had to write to rebut the lies he spent yesterday spouting. This is weapons grade s***housery."
    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-tweets-about-london-bridge-copied-and-pasted-from-blog-11876300

    Yes, that was egregious. I suppose he did this sort of thing all the time as a hack but he is now our PM, for heaven's sake. People really should be turned off by such 'low' behaviour, regardless of their politics. In fact, this tightening in the polls, I'm hoping this is the main reason. That people are now starting to get turned off by him.
    Total non story. PM stated facts as posted by someone else. The story is that the someone else is a Guardian contributor crying foul when there has been no foul.
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    wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,913
    eek said:

    Stocky said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    7 points - are you getting worried Marquee_Mark?
    The key is the midlands and the north leave seats

    And I'm finding it hard to read. Last week Darlington was probably a clear Tory win - I'm not so sure now...
    Darlington is a nailed on blue gain. Labours extra votes arent leavers, they are southern soft lib dems who have realised Swinson is a dud
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,079
    Stocky said:

    I think this is a tad unfair: I think most people who voted to leave did so for non-economic reasons. I know a few - "sovereignty" and "bringing back control" comes up a lot. They would have voted leave even if they thought that UK would suffer economically.

    Absolutely. Brexit is an Identity Project. Hence it's power. People don't get all worked up about "X points off GDP over 15 years". They DO get worked up about feeling 'dissed' and disrespected.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    edited December 2019

    eek said:

    Stocky said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    7 points - are you getting worried Marquee_Mark?
    The key is the midlands and the north leave seats

    And I'm finding it hard to read. Last week Darlington was probably a clear Tory win - I'm not so sure now...
    Darlington is a nailed on blue gain. Labours extra votes arent leavers, they are southern soft lib dems who have realised Swinson is a dud
    Darlington is the Basildon/Nuneaton of 2019

    it is likely to be the first of the 'key LAB leave' eats to declare. If we don't win this then Boris is up the road, we can then only hope to get enough to stop LAB/SNP but without Darlington we are sub 320 and possibly sub 305
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    eek said:

    Stocky said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    7 points - are you getting worried Marquee_Mark?
    The key is the midlands and the north leave seats

    And I'm finding it hard to read. Last week Darlington was probably a clear Tory win - I'm not so sure now...
    Darlington is a nailed on blue gain. Labours extra votes arent leavers, they are southern soft lib dems who have realised Swinson is a dud
    I feel like we're going to see them piling up votes in urban areas, whilst losing Northern marginals.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,932
    edited December 2019

    eek said:

    Stocky said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    7 points - are you getting worried Marquee_Mark?
    The key is the midlands and the north leave seats

    And I'm finding it hard to read. Last week Darlington was probably a clear Tory win - I'm not so sure now...
    Darlington is a nailed on blue gain. Labours extra votes arent leavers, they are southern soft lib dems who have realised Swinson is a dud
    As I said - sat here in the constituency I'm not so sure it was the surefire Tory gain, I thought it was last week.
    Javid offered a lot here without realising that the things they have offered actually hurt and annoy their core voters more than the ones they are trying to attract.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,337

    The Brexit (unemployment) benefits continue to roll in....
    So, you want to take a bow do you Remainers, for fucking up the ability of business to plan? Because those job losses should be on your consciences - and not something to gloat about....
    I see that Brexiteers have moved on from saying that the sorry state of the economy is nothing to do with Brexit. It is now down to Brexit uncertainty but is somehow the fault of Remainers...
    The Brexit believers have much in common with socialists.
    The imperfection of their plans is always owing to sabotage, or deviation from the true belief, and nothing to do with any inherent flaws in the project...
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    eek said:

    Stocky said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    7 points - are you getting worried Marquee_Mark?
    The key is the midlands and the north leave seats

    And I'm finding it hard to read. Last week Darlington was probably a clear Tory win - I'm not so sure now...
    Darlington is a nailed on blue gain. Labours extra votes arent leavers, they are southern soft lib dems who have realised Swinson is a dud
    Darlington is pretty much where I think a definite Tory majority occurs. It's the 25th seat Con would take off Labour based upon majority, and even allowing for the Tories to lose 20 seats to Lib Dems/Lab/SNP (my top end estimate), this would ensure a net gain of 5 and a nominal majority.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    Nigelb said:

    The Brexit (unemployment) benefits continue to roll in....
    So, you want to take a bow do you Remainers, for fucking up the ability of business to plan? Because those job losses should be on your consciences - and not something to gloat about....
    I see that Brexiteers have moved on from saying that the sorry state of the economy is nothing to do with Brexit. It is now down to Brexit uncertainty but is somehow the fault of Remainers...
    The Brexit believers have much in common with socialists.
    The imperfection of their plans is always owing to sabotage, or deviation from the true belief, and nothing to do with any inherent flaws in the project...
    Except whilst successful socialist economies are like hens teeth, the vast majority of the world is outside the EU and growing much faster than it.
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    kinabalu said:

    Boris Johnson's tweets about London Bridge 'copied and pasted' from blog
    "the Secret Barrister tweeted: "The Prime Minister has basically copied and pasted my blogpost into a thread and passed it off as his own explanation.
    "A blogpost which I had to write to rebut the lies he spent yesterday spouting. This is weapons grade s***housery."
    https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-tweets-about-london-bridge-copied-and-pasted-from-blog-11876300

    Yes, that was egregious. I suppose he did this sort of thing all the time as a hack but he is now our PM, for heaven's sake. People really should be turned off by such 'low' behaviour, regardless of their politics. In fact, this tightening in the polls, I'm hoping this is the main reason. That people are now starting to get turned off by him.
    And not by Corbyn with his history of terrorist bootlicking?
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    BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Ave_it said:

    eek said:

    Stocky said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    7 points - are you getting worried Marquee_Mark?
    The key is the midlands and the north leave seats

    And I'm finding it hard to read. Last week Darlington was probably a clear Tory win - I'm not so sure now...
    Darlington is a nailed on blue gain. Labours extra votes arent leavers, they are southern soft lib dems who have realised Swinson is a dud
    Darlington is the Basildon/Nuneaton of 2019

    it is likely to be the first of the 'key LAB leave' eats to declare. If we don't win this then Boris is up the road, we can then only hope to get enough to stop LAB/SNP but without Darlington we are sub 320 and possibly sub 305
    Based upon 2017 Darlington was the second of the 2019 Tory challenge seats to declare with Workington being the first. This happened at 12:43 and 12:53am respectively.

    If both of these go Blue I suspect a decent Tory majority is in store, if only one does then a small Con majority and if neither than it'll be a hung parliament.
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    Ave_it said:

    eek said:

    Stocky said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    7 points - are you getting worried Marquee_Mark?
    The key is the midlands and the north leave seats

    And I'm finding it hard to read. Last week Darlington was probably a clear Tory win - I'm not so sure now...
    Darlington is a nailed on blue gain. Labours extra votes arent leavers, they are southern soft lib dems who have realised Swinson is a dud
    Darlington is the Basildon/Nuneaton of 2019

    it is likely to be the first of the 'key LAB leave' eats to declare. If we don't win this then Boris is up the road, we can then only hope to get enough to stop LAB/SNP but without Darlington we are sub 320 and possibly sub 305
    Darlington - best prices
    Nasty Party One 5/6
    Nasty Party Two EVS
    Nasty Party Three 66/1
    Jo Swinson’s Candidate 100/1
    Nasty Party Four 150/1
    Greens 300/1
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    MOE changes ;)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,899
    edited December 2019
    Lol Sporting Index had Banff Buchan Labour at 0.5

    So basically 1-20 they'll come third or worse there. Sold for £40 a point. They've revised it to 0.1 now.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,916
    Wife went to a small U3a group this morning. One of the members, former Tory councillor, told everyone what a wonderful party they'd had on Saturday, and how Priti Patel had made a fuss of her. Then "I really hope that dreadful Corbyn doesn't get in!"
    At which my wife, not normally noted for coming forward on these occasions said "I hope that dreadful Boris doesn't get in!'
    Shock, horror, then another lady said "Hear hear."
    After which the Tory lady shut up.
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    Ave_it said:

    Stocky said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    7 points - are you getting worried Marquee_Mark?
    The key is the midlands and the north leave seats

    They are absolutely the key here - if we can get maybe 15 net gains here it could/should be enough
    If the Lib Dems polling collapses any further then there should be some gains from them.
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    argyllrsargyllrs Posts: 155
    Is there a betting market for lost deposits?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    Are we expecting a MORI poll?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,209
    edited December 2019
    Johnson was definitely all over the show on the extended sentences/automatic release thing. A snapshot does it for me - Brandon Lewis appeared on Pienaar at 9am yesterday and explained clearly the various law changes by whom and when, including the Cons' change in late 2012.
    BoJo was grilled by Marr an hour later who said the Cons didn't make any changes to the law they said was so lacking and Boris just sat there and waffled like a stunned twat. He did not explain that the Cons had indeed made a change to the law to address the issue.
    (Chris Philp I think did very well today on PL making the same point as Lewis made and Johnson failed to make.)
    But it's obvious Johnson's handlers understand and hence the long twitter thread. And now what? The Secret Barrister is complaining both that Johnson told a pack of lies about it all and at the same time that Johnson used his own (the Secret Barrister's) twitter thread to clarify the situation.
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    GIN1138 said:

    Are we expecting a MORI poll?

    Yes, I completed one on Friday.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,932

    Ave_it said:

    eek said:

    Stocky said:

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    CON: 42% (+1)
    LAB: 35% (+1)
    LDM: 13% (=)
    BXP: 3% (-1)

    Via @ICMResearch, 29 Nov-2 Dec.
    Changes w/ 22-25 Nov.

    Big two disappearing away over the horizon from the LibDems......
    7 points - are you getting worried Marquee_Mark?
    The key is the midlands and the north leave seats

    And I'm finding it hard to read. Last week Darlington was probably a clear Tory win - I'm not so sure now...
    Darlington is a nailed on blue gain. Labours extra votes arent leavers, they are southern soft lib dems who have realised Swinson is a dud
    Darlington is the Basildon/Nuneaton of 2019

    it is likely to be the first of the 'key LAB leave' eats to declare. If we don't win this then Boris is up the road, we can then only hope to get enough to stop LAB/SNP but without Darlington we are sub 320 and possibly sub 305
    Darlington - best prices
    Nasty Party One 5/6
    Nasty Party Two EVS
    Nasty Party Three 66/1
    Jo Swinson’s Candidate 100/1
    Nasty Party Four 150/1
    Greens 300/1
    Having just gone through all the campaign leaflets we've received (and it's a fair few already as I have a postal vote) the only party to have ever mentioned Brexit is the Tories. And even that is to get it done so we can move on to other things.

    Boris is still promising 20,000 police officers (anywhere in the UK) while Labour are promising to return the 471 who have left since 2010. And Durham isn't a big police force.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,916
    TOPPING said:

    Johnson was definitely all over the show on the extended sentences/automatic release thing. A snapshot does it for me - Brandon Lewis appeared on Pienaar at 9am yesterday and explained clearly the various law changes by whom and when, including the Cons' change in late 2012.
    BoJo was grilled by Marr an hour later who said the Cons didn't make any changes to the law they said was so lacking and Boris just sat there and waffled like a stunned twat. He did not explain that the Cons had indeed made a change to the law to address the issue.
    (Chris Philp I think did very well today on PL making the same point as Lewis made and Johnson failed to make.)
    But it's obvious Johnson's handlers understand and hence the long twitter thread. And now what? The Secret Barrister is complaining both that Johnson told a pack of lies about it all and at the same time that Johnson used his own (the Secret Barrister's) twitter thread to clarify the situation.

    FCO officials used to complain bitterly that Boris never read his briefs, IIRC.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    argyllrs said:

    Is there a betting market for lost deposits?

    Don't think so. Green vs Brexit Party overall votes would also be interesting.
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