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The problem for Gove isn't that that this a law an order issue. It's a class issue. "One rule for them, one rule for you and me". And at the moment, I don't see how he neutralises it.

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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 23,018
    First?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 4,827
    Second, like Rory.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,662
    edited June 9
    Surely he snorted it rather than blew it?

    Edit - Question: is Barry Gardiner's claim the most epic attempt to exploit false equivalence of all time?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 4,827
    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 30,506
    Has anyone done a back of fag packet calculation as to how much it would have cost the Leadsom backer to keep her odds where they are over the past 10 days? Rather than her real chance of about 40/1 or 50/1?

    Who would have pockets that deep? Who in her campaign would bother?
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,037
    Never mind Gove and drugs. Will Shadsy put up a market on Theresa May's resignation honours list?

    What price can I get on an OBE for Fiona of Nick and Fiona fame?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 27,515
    ydoethur said:

    Surely he snorted it rather than blew it?

    Edit - Question: is Barry Gardiner's claim the most epic attempt to exploit false equivalence of all time?

    Yes.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 16,841

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Hmm, Boris will need to use the Cabinet to bind some remainers to his policy and may need to hand plum jobs to some of them to ensure they don't rebel and keep their friends in line. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Grieve made a come back and a few other unlikely resurrections.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 31,029

    Has anyone done a back of fag packet calculation as to how much it would have cost the Leadsom backer to keep her odds where they are over the past 10 days? Rather than her real chance of about 40/1 or 50/1?

    Who would have pockets that deep? Who in her campaign would bother?

    Would she have money left over from last time? She had the backing of the Leave EU lot when they were expecting a run off against May.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 48,109
    ydoethur said:

    Surely he snorted it rather than blew it?

    Edit - Question: is Barry Gardiner's claim the most epic attempt to exploit false equivalence of all time?

    Not the most epic, but it is quite creative.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 27,515

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Mordaunt to remain as Defence.

    Rees-Mogg as Chancellor?

    Health will be a tricky one. Cleverly?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 77,461
    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Hmm, Boris will need to use the Cabinet to bind some remainers to his policy and may need to hand plum jobs to some of them to ensure they don't rebel and keep their friends in line. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Grieve made a come back and a few other unlikely resurrections.
    Am told one of things Boris is telling one nation Tories is that he'll intervene to stop the likes of Gauke and Grieve being deselected.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 51,371
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Eagles, that's interesting.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 16,841

    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Hmm, Boris will need to use the Cabinet to bind some remainers to his policy and may need to hand plum jobs to some of them to ensure they don't rebel and keep their friends in line. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Grieve made a come back and a few other unlikely resurrections.
    Am told one of things Boris is telling one nation Tories is that he'll intervene to stop the likes of Gauke and Grieve being deselected.
    Boris is clearly getting very good advice to ensure he carries a vote of confidence on day one.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 77,461

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Mordaunt to remain as Defence.

    Rees-Mogg as Chancellor?

    Health will be a tricky one. Cleverly?
    Rees-Mogg cannot join the government, his business interests means he'd be conflicted out of most things, and because his business interests are complex they cannot be put into a blind trust either.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 48,109

    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Hmm, Boris will need to use the Cabinet to bind some remainers to his policy and may need to hand plum jobs to some of them to ensure they don't rebel and keep their friends in line. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Grieve made a come back and a few other unlikely resurrections.
    Am told one of things Boris is telling one nation Tories is that he'll intervene to stop the likes of Gauke and Grieve being deselected.
    A clever move, since if the latter at least believes what he says about no deal then he will quit the Tories when Boris moves to no deal later, and Boris can point out he even tried to stop them being forced out, but it was his own choice.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 16,841

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Mordaunt to remain as Defence.

    Rees-Mogg as Chancellor?

    Health will be a tricky one. Cleverly?
    No way is JRM getting in the Cabinet. Javid surely gets into the Treasury. It neutralises him as a leadership rival given how unsuccessful it has been as a launching pad for becoming PM.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 27,336

    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Hmm, Boris will need to use the Cabinet to bind some remainers to his policy and may need to hand plum jobs to some of them to ensure they don't rebel and keep their friends in line. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Grieve made a come back and a few other unlikely resurrections.
    Am told one of things Boris is telling one nation Tories is that he'll intervene to stop the likes of Gauke and Grieve being deselected.
    He urgently needs to as a matter of necessity as a bare minimum.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 9,988

    Has anyone done a back of fag packet calculation as to how much it would have cost the Leadsom backer to keep her odds where they are over the past 10 days? Rather than her real chance of about 40/1 or 50/1?

    Who would have pockets that deep? Who in her campaign would bother?

    The total amount staked is £341,918 (total matched £3m so you can see the 9/1).

    Fag packet says at least 10% of that, i.e. £35k.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 27,019
    Maybe its because I like him but I can't help feeling that this is a story that our oh so clean and ethical media like to get their knickers in a twist about and most people will just shrug their shoulders.

    Everyone who has given our drugs policy a second's thought must realise that we only maintain the lines (ha) that we do to make our Brexit policy look rational. Everyone knows it doesn't work, that drug use is endemic in all social classes, that our war on drugs has been irredeemably lost and we need to do something different. If I was half as bright as Gove I would seize that message and run with it.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,037
    Sixth favourite in Betfair's next PM market has a north London allotment.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 23,018
    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Hmm, Boris will need to use the Cabinet to bind some remainers to his policy and may need to hand plum jobs to some of them to ensure they don't rebel and keep their friends in line. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Grieve made a come back and a few other unlikely resurrections.
    Offering Grieve a Cabinet job (in a strictly domestic policy area) is actually not a bad idea.

    Whether or not he would accept it is another matter.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,662
    Warner plays on, but the bails don't come off.

    This is getting as silly as Corbyn's attempts to claim he abhors racism.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 27,019
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Hmm, Boris will need to use the Cabinet to bind some remainers to his policy and may need to hand plum jobs to some of them to ensure they don't rebel and keep their friends in line. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Grieve made a come back and a few other unlikely resurrections.
    Am told one of things Boris is telling one nation Tories is that he'll intervene to stop the likes of Gauke and Grieve being deselected.
    Boris is clearly getting very good advice to ensure he carries a vote of confidence on day one.
    I must say generally the difference between the organisation and skill of his leadership campaign and his shambolic time as FS is really marked. It's almost as if he has found something he really cares about. The optimist in me reads this as showing that Boris is actually a lot more competent than he likes to pretend. The realist focuses on the point that he is an ego maniac.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 27,019

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Mordaunt to remain as Defence.

    Rees-Mogg as Chancellor?

    Health will be a tricky one. Cleverly?
    Rees-Mogg cannot join the government, his business interests means he'd be conflicted out of most things, and because his business interests are complex they cannot be put into a blind trust either.
    Also he a F******* idiot. That really should be a bar of sorts.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 77,461
    DavidL said:

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Mordaunt to remain as Defence.

    Rees-Mogg as Chancellor?

    Health will be a tricky one. Cleverly?
    Rees-Mogg cannot join the government, his business interests means he'd be conflicted out of most things, and because his business interests are complex they cannot be put into a blind trust either.
    Also he a F******* idiot. That really should be a bar of sorts.
    This is why I want No Deal.

    It will destroy the credibility of JRM and so many others in the European Remain Group.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 16,841
    ydoethur said:

    Warner plays on, but the bails don't come off.

    This is getting as silly as Corbyn's attempts to claim he abhors racism.

    Yeah that's out in any other match. Let's get back to three wooden sticks in the ground!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 23,018
    edited June 9
    ydoethur said:

    Warner plays on, but the bails don't come off.

    This is getting as silly as Corbyn's attempts to claim he abhors racism.

    Same thing happened in another match last week.

    We know the flashing bails have the same weight as the wood ones, but either centre of mass, centre of gravity or coefficient of friction are likely different for them not to fall.

    Edit: Or possibly the flashing stumps are the cause of the problem, do we know they are the same weight and is the stump/ground interface the same with all the electronics and cameras?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 27,019

    DavidL said:

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Mordaunt to remain as Defence.

    Rees-Mogg as Chancellor?

    Health will be a tricky one. Cleverly?
    Rees-Mogg cannot join the government, his business interests means he'd be conflicted out of most things, and because his business interests are complex they cannot be put into a blind trust either.
    Also he a F******* idiot. That really should be a bar of sorts.
    This is why I want No Deal.

    It will destroy the credibility of JRM and so many others in the European Remain Group.
    Firstly, it is not worth the price. Secondly, anyone who thinks the ERG have any credibility right now it terminally deluded.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,662
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Warner plays on, but the bails don't come off.

    This is getting as silly as Corbyn's attempts to claim he abhors racism.

    Same thing happened in another match last week.
    Actually it's happened five times in this competition.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited June 9
    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Hmm, Boris will need to use the Cabinet to bind some remainers to his policy and may need to hand plum jobs to some of them to ensure they don't rebel and keep their friends in line. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Grieve made a come back and a few other unlikely resurrections.
    Am told one of things Boris is telling one nation Tories is that he'll intervene to stop the likes of Gauke and Grieve being deselected.
    Boris is clearly getting very good advice to ensure he carries a vote of confidence on day one.
    I must say generally the difference between the organisation and skill of his leadership campaign and his shambolic time as FS is really marked. It's almost as if he has found something he really cares about. The optimist in me reads this as showing that Boris is actually a lot more competent than he likes to pretend. The realist focuses on the point that he is an ego maniac.
    You forget he ran London as Mayor for 8 years - a city with more residents than Scotland, and Wales combined.

    He was in charge but his two key chief of staffs (both former council leaders) and deputy mayors - including Cleverly and Malthouse - and the Police/Fire/Transport commissoners did the detail.

    Boris doesn't seem to do detail and has a short attention span - but with the right team around him perhaps he might make a good fist of being PM. They have similariities - one minute its policing or counter-terrorism, then its the Olympics, then its sorting out Transport or Crossrail, then you have a meeting with the Chancellor or Home Secretary to discuss priorities etc etc. And with numerous photo ops and launches thrown in to keep him busy too.

    Some might say in terms of experience running a big operation he could be one of the best qualified PMs in years.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 23,018
    edited June 9
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Warner plays on, but the bails don't come off.

    This is getting as silly as Corbyn's attempts to claim he abhors racism.

    Same thing happened in another match last week.
    Actually it's happened five times in this competition.
    And they *still* haven’t gone back to the old fashioned wooden ones?

    If they’re going to have flashing stumps, then making them flash should indicate a wicket.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 16,259
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Warner plays on, but the bails don't come off.

    This is getting as silly as Corbyn's attempts to claim he abhors racism.

    Same thing happened in another match last week.
    Actually it's happened five times in this competition.
    And they *still* haven’t gone back to the old fashioned wooden ones?

    If they’re going to have flashing stumps, then making them flash should indicate a wicket.
    This is getting beyond a joke. Bails must be too heavy, or there's some quasi-magnetic contact between the bails and the stumps.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 27,019
    brendan16 said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Hmm, Boris will need to use the Cabinet to bind some remainers to his policy and may need to hand plum jobs to some of them to ensure they don't rebel and keep their friends in line. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Grieve made a come back and a few other unlikely resurrections.
    Am told one of things Boris is telling one nation Tories is that he'll intervene to stop the likes of Gauke and Grieve being deselected.
    Boris is clearly getting very good advice to ensure he carries a vote of confidence on day one.
    I must say generally the difference between the organisation and skill of his leadership campaign and his shambolic time as FS is really marked. It's almost as if he has found something he really cares about. The optimist in me reads this as showing that Boris is actually a lot more competent than he likes to pretend. The realist focuses on the point that he is an ego maniac.
    You forget he ran London as Mayor for 8 years - a city with more residents than Scotland, and Wales combined.

    He was in charge but his two key chief of staffs (both former council leaders) and deputy mayors - including Cleverly and Malthouse - and the Police/Fire/Transport commissoners did the detail.

    Boris doesn't seem to do detail and has a short attention span - but with the right team around him perhaps he might make a good fist of being PM. They have similariities - one minute its policing or counter-terrorism, then its the Olympics, then its sorting out Transport or Crossrail, then you have a meeting with the Chancellor or Home Secretary to discuss priorities etc etc. And with numerous photo ops and launches thrown in to keep him busy too.

    Some might say in terms of experience running a big operation he could be one of the best qualified PMs in years.
    I am getting more senile by the day but even I remember him being Mayor. I think he is smart enough to do the job. He's just totally untrustworthy. But maybe that's not the worst fault amongst the leadership contenders.

    Oh how I wish Rory was going to do better.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,662
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Warner plays on, but the bails don't come off.

    This is getting as silly as Corbyn's attempts to claim he abhors racism.

    Same thing happened in another match last week.
    Actually it's happened five times in this competition.
    And they *still* haven’t gone back to the old fashioned wooden ones?

    If they’re going to have flashing stumps, then making them flash should indicate a wicket.
    Agreed. In any case we don't want our cricketers flashing all the time.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 4,827
    Boris wasn’t such a bad mayor.

    The ranking of London mayoralties goes like this:

    1 Livingstone, term 1
    2 Johnson, term 1
    3 Johnson, term 2
    4 Khan, term 1
    5 Livingstone, term 2
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 27,019
    Anyway, its not rained for nearly 4 hours. Definitely time to put the BBQ on.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 16,841

    Boris wasn’t such a bad mayor.

    The ranking of London mayoralties goes like this:

    1 Livingstone, term 1
    2 Johnson, term 1
    3 Johnson, term 2
    4 Khan, term 1
    5 Livingstone, term 2

    I don't remember what Livingstone did in his first term tbh. Boris has been far and away the best mayor. Khan has been poor and full of excuses on knife crime. He seems more interested in banning bikini adverts on the tube and getting the police to chase people who say mean things on twitter than solving knife crime and other crimes that actually have a real effect on people.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 24,691
    edited June 9
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Warner plays on, but the bails don't come off.

    This is getting as silly as Corbyn's attempts to claim he abhors racism.

    Same thing happened in another match last week.

    We know the flashing bails have the same weight as the wood ones, but either centre of mass, centre of gravity or coefficient of friction are likely different for them not to fall.

    Edit: Or possibly the flashing stumps are the cause of the problem, do we know they are the same weight and is the stump/ground interface the same with all the electronics and cameras?
    Actually they're heavier than standard bails but not as heavy as the heavy bails used in very windy conditions.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 16,841
    DavidL said:

    Anyway, its not rained for nearly 4 hours. Definitely time to put the BBQ on.

    Tempting fate a bit there...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 10,301

    Has anyone done a back of fag packet calculation as to how much it would have cost the Leadsom backer to keep her odds where they are over the past 10 days? Rather than her real chance of about 40/1 or 50/1?

    Who would have pockets that deep? Who in her campaign would bother?

    I tried looking at this graph ( https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/marketactivity?handicap=0&id=1.125574963&selectionId=10974022 ) but I don't know whether the "volume" axis is in # or £ and I don't know the amount wedged for each bet, so i can't guess.

    Does anybody have a way of guesstimating this?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 4,827
    The London mayoralty job is of course totally different from being Prime Minister.

    Mostly it is about PR. Johnson did however make noticeable improvements in crime, cycling and building design - relying largely on an army of “deputy mayors” to do any of the real work.

    Johnson’s key weaknesses are laziness, dishonesty, narcissism, and gimmickry. None of these were fatal to his Mayoralty.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 21,662

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Warner plays on, but the bails don't come off.

    This is getting as silly as Corbyn's attempts to claim he abhors racism.

    Same thing happened in another match last week.

    We know the flashing bails have the same weight as the wood ones, but either centre of mass, centre of gravity or coefficient of friction are likely different for them not to fall.

    Edit: Or possibly the flashing stumps are the cause of the problem, do we know they are the same weight and is the stump/ground interface the same with all the electronics and cameras?
    Actually they're heavier than standard bails but not as heavy as the heavy bails used in very windy conditions.
    But we don't need bails - the umpires can decide to play without them, e.g. If it's very windy.

    So why not forget about them and just go with the flashes, if that's what the ICC really want?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 28,538
    edited June 9
    ydoethur said:

    Warner plays on, but the bails don't come off.

    This is getting as silly as Corbyn's attempts to claim he abhors racism.

    During the whole of the 1990s i only saw that happen twice in international cricket matches, and I was watching most of them during that time.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,739
    "There was a time when all on my mind was Gove
    Now I find that most of the time
    Gove's not enough, in itself"

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 23,018

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Warner plays on, but the bails don't come off.

    This is getting as silly as Corbyn's attempts to claim he abhors racism.

    Same thing happened in another match last week.

    We know the flashing bails have the same weight as the wood ones, but either centre of mass, centre of gravity or coefficient of friction are likely different for them not to fall.

    Edit: Or possibly the flashing stumps are the cause of the problem, do we know they are the same weight and is the stump/ground interface the same with all the electronics and cameras?
    Actually they're heavier than standard bails but not as heavy as the heavy bails used in very windy conditions.
    Ah okay, so within an allowed weight range then? Someone here last week (Eagles?) said they were the same weight as standard bails.

    Either way, having flashing lights, then ignoring them when they flash, is a silly idea.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 4,827
    MaxPB said:

    Boris wasn’t such a bad mayor.

    The ranking of London mayoralties goes like this:

    1 Livingstone, term 1
    2 Johnson, term 1
    3 Johnson, term 2
    4 Khan, term 1
    5 Livingstone, term 2

    I don't remember what Livingstone did in his first term tbh. Boris has been far and away the best mayor. Khan has been poor and full of excuses on knife crime. He seems more interested in banning bikini adverts on the tube and getting the police to chase people who say mean things on twitter than solving knife crime and other crimes that actually have a real effect on people.
    Khan is utterly useless. I agree he has been the worst mayor. Although Livingstone was a rancid socialist, he had interesting ideas for London. Khan has nothing. Zip.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 16,259
    MaxPB said:

    Boris wasn’t such a bad mayor.

    The ranking of London mayoralties goes like this:

    1 Livingstone, term 1
    2 Johnson, term 1
    3 Johnson, term 2
    4 Khan, term 1
    5 Livingstone, term 2

    I don't remember what Livingstone did in his first term tbh. Boris has been far and away the best mayor. Khan has been poor and full of excuses on knife crime. He seems more interested in banning bikini adverts on the tube and getting the police to chase people who say mean things on twitter than solving knife crime and other crimes that actually have a real effect on people.
    Being good at picking deputies, who actually do the work is a useful skill. To be fair.
    He was lucky with the Olympics of course, although he could have got himself in trouble over his silly speech at the handover at Beijing.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,654
    If Gove is openly admitting to having committed a serious criminal offence, why will the police not arrest him - or at least haul him in for questioning? Their failure to do so becomes a story in itself.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 28,538

    "There was a time when all on my mind was Gove
    Now I find that most of the time
    Gove's not enough, in itself"

    One of my favourite Depeche Mode tracks, from the 1983 album Construction Time Again.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,739

    MaxPB said:

    Boris wasn’t such a bad mayor.

    The ranking of London mayoralties goes like this:

    1 Livingstone, term 1
    2 Johnson, term 1
    3 Johnson, term 2
    4 Khan, term 1
    5 Livingstone, term 2

    I don't remember what Livingstone did in his first term tbh. Boris has been far and away the best mayor. Khan has been poor and full of excuses on knife crime. He seems more interested in banning bikini adverts on the tube and getting the police to chase people who say mean things on twitter than solving knife crime and other crimes that actually have a real effect on people.
    Khan is utterly useless. I agree he has been the worst mayor. Although Livingstone was a rancid socialist, he had interesting ideas for London. Khan has nothing. Zip.
    CROSSRAIL...
    MUST... HAVE... CROSSRAIL...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 24,691
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Warner plays on, but the bails don't come off.

    This is getting as silly as Corbyn's attempts to claim he abhors racism.

    Same thing happened in another match last week.

    We know the flashing bails have the same weight as the wood ones, but either centre of mass, centre of gravity or coefficient of friction are likely different for them not to fall.

    Edit: Or possibly the flashing stumps are the cause of the problem, do we know they are the same weight and is the stump/ground interface the same with all the electronics and cameras?
    Actually they're heavier than standard bails but not as heavy as the heavy bails used in very windy conditions.
    Ah okay, so within an allowed weight range then? Someone here last week (Eagles?) said they were the same weight as standard bails.

    Either way, having flashing lights, then ignoring them when they flash, is a silly idea.
    I think the purpose of the flashing lights is for third umpire regarding run outs.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 10,301
    justin124 said:

    If Gove is openly admitting to having committed a serious criminal offence, why will the police not arrest him - or at least haul him in for questioning? Their failure to do so becomes a story in itself.

    Posh Rich Brits Don't Get Arrested.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 28,538
    justin124 said:

    If Gove is openly admitting to having committed a serious criminal offence, why will the police not arrest him - or at least haul him in for questioning? Their failure to do so becomes a story in itself.

    Having laws that aren't enforced makes a mockery of the justice system. Either enforce the laws or get rid of them.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,739
    AndyJS said:

    "There was a time when all on my mind was Gove
    Now I find that most of the time
    Gove's not enough, in itself"

    One of my favourite Depeche Mode tracks, from the 1983 album Construction Time Again.
    I knew you would appreciate it, Andy :)

    There's also "The Meaning of Gove" from 1982.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 24,691
    AndyJS said:

    justin124 said:

    If Gove is openly admitting to having committed a serious criminal offence, why will the police not arrest him - or at least haul him in for questioning? Their failure to do so becomes a story in itself.

    Having laws that aren't enforced makes a mockery of the justice system. Either enforce the laws or get rid of them.
    Hasn't that been the case with drug laws for at least 20 years though?
  • initforthemoneyinitforthemoney Posts: 640
    australia digging in for a draw
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,654
    viewcode said:

    justin124 said:

    If Gove is openly admitting to having committed a serious criminal offence, why will the police not arrest him - or at least haul him in for questioning? Their failure to do so becomes a story in itself.

    Posh Rich Brits Don't Get Arrested.
    They sometimes go to jail - eg Jonathan Aitken.
  • initforthemoneyinitforthemoney Posts: 640

    "There was a time when all on my mind was Gove
    Now I find that most of the time
    Gove's not enough, in itself"

    gore not gove?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 16,841

    MaxPB said:

    Boris wasn’t such a bad mayor.

    The ranking of London mayoralties goes like this:

    1 Livingstone, term 1
    2 Johnson, term 1
    3 Johnson, term 2
    4 Khan, term 1
    5 Livingstone, term 2

    I don't remember what Livingstone did in his first term tbh. Boris has been far and away the best mayor. Khan has been poor and full of excuses on knife crime. He seems more interested in banning bikini adverts on the tube and getting the police to chase people who say mean things on twitter than solving knife crime and other crimes that actually have a real effect on people.
    Khan is utterly useless. I agree he has been the worst mayor. Although Livingstone was a rancid socialist, he had interesting ideas for London. Khan has nothing. Zip.
    Yeah Khan rode Boris' coattails for a bit with the night tube and hopper fare which were both planned by the Boris administration, since then he's literally done nothing for London other than posture and bullshit.

    He's supposed to stand up for London's industries on the global stage but seems to revel in stories about jobs leaving to Europe. He may not have voted for brexit and neither did the city as a whole, but it's still happening and spouting "London is open" a few times a month does nothing. I think that's where Boris was very good, he knew exactly how to represent London overseas and ensure that we were always in the conversation by bringing industry bodies with him. Khan seems to ignore the a lot of London's industries at the moment because they aren't giving him the negative brexit news he wants.

    As we discussed on here a couple of days ago, brexit is going to have a lot of unlikely winners in Europe and it doesn't seem, at the moment, that London will lose very much at all. Khan can't seem to get his head around that.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 4,811

    Boris wasn’t such a bad mayor.

    The ranking of London mayoralties goes like this:

    1 Livingstone, term 1
    2 Johnson, term 1
    3 Johnson, term 2
    4 Khan, term 1
    5 Livingstone, term 2

    Yes Ken for a while was 1st class. Politically skillful, diligent, very capable administrator and creative.

    Gaga now, sadly, but at his peak in the early noughties he was formidable.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 16,841
    Err, right. Labour really are unfit to govern.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,739
    justin124 said:

    If Gove is openly admitting to having committed a serious criminal offence, why will the police not arrest him - or at least haul him in for questioning? Their failure to do so becomes a story in itself.

    He's a posh-boy, innit!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 27,336
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Boris wasn’t such a bad mayor.

    The ranking of London mayoralties goes like this:

    1 Livingstone, term 1
    2 Johnson, term 1
    3 Johnson, term 2
    4 Khan, term 1
    5 Livingstone, term 2

    I don't remember what Livingstone did in his first term tbh. Boris has been far and away the best mayor. Khan has been poor and full of excuses on knife crime. He seems more interested in banning bikini adverts on the tube and getting the police to chase people who say mean things on twitter than solving knife crime and other crimes that actually have a real effect on people.
    Khan is utterly useless. I agree he has been the worst mayor. Although Livingstone was a rancid socialist, he had interesting ideas for London. Khan has nothing. Zip.
    Yeah Khan rode Boris' coattails for a bit with the night tube and hopper fare which were both planned by the Boris administration, since then he's literally done nothing for London other than posture and bullshit.

    He's supposed to stand up for London's industries on the global stage but seems to revel in stories about jobs leaving to Europe. He may not have voted for brexit and neither did the city as a whole, but it's still happening and spouting "London is open" a few times a month does nothing. I think that's where Boris was very good, he knew exactly how to represent London overseas and ensure that we were always in the conversation by bringing industry bodies with him. Khan seems to ignore the a lot of London's industries at the moment because they aren't giving him the negative brexit news he wants.

    As we discussed on here a couple of days ago, brexit is going to have a lot of unlikely winners in Europe and it doesn't seem, at the moment, that London will lose very much at all. Khan can't seem to get his head around that.
    Sadiq Khan does an excellent job of channelling and voicing his voters’ views. At a time when large parts of the country seem actively to hate London, that’s not to be underrated.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,739
    edited June 9

    Never mind Gove and drugs. Will Shadsy put up a market on Theresa May's resignation honours list?

    What price can I get on an OBE for Fiona of Nick and Fiona fame?

    Mike Smithson in line for an OGH?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 26,163
    DavidL said:

    brendan16 said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    FPT:

    Since Boris is going to win, time to speculate wildly about his Cabinet.

    Chancellor: Javid
    Foreign: Hunt
    Home Secretary: Truss

    I’d except Grayling, Fox, Hammond, Lidington, Rudd, Bradley, Gauke to be retired, and promotions for Kwarteng, McVey, Cleverly, Cox and Malthouse.

    Hmm, Boris will need to use the Cabinet to bind some remainers to his policy and may need to hand plum jobs to some of them to ensure they don't rebel and keep their friends in line. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Grieve made a come back and a few other unlikely resurrections.
    Am told one of things Boris is telling one nation Tories is that he'll intervene to stop the likes of Gauke and Grieve being deselected.
    Boris is clearly getting very good advice to ensure he carries a vote of confidence on day one.
    I must say generally the difference between the organisation and skill of his leadership campaign and his shambolic time as FS is really marked. It's almost as if he has found something he really cares about. The optimist in me reads this as showing that Boris is actually a lot more competent than he likes to pretend. The realist focuses on the point that he is an ego maniac.
    You forget he ran London as Mayor for 8 years - a city with more residents than Scotland, and Wales combined.

    He was in charge but his two key chief of staffs (both former council leaders) and deputy mayors - including Cleverly and Malthouse - and the Police/Fire/Transport commissoners did the detail.

    Boris doesn't seem to do detail and has a short attention span - but with the right team around him perhaps he might make a good fist of being PM. They have similariities - one minute its policing or counter-terrorism, then its the Olympics, then its sorting out Transport or Crossrail, then you have a meeting with the Chancellor or Home Secretary to discuss priorities etc etc. And with numerous photo ops and launches thrown in to keep him busy too.

    Some might say in terms of experience running a big operation he could be one of the best qualified PMs in years.
    I am getting more senile by the day but even I remember him being Mayor. I think he is smart enough to do the job. He's just totally untrustworthy. But maybe that's not the worst fault amongst the leadership contenders.

    Oh how I wish Rory was going to do better.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 24,348

    MaxPB said:

    Boris wasn’t such a bad mayor.

    The ranking of London mayoralties goes like this:

    1 Livingstone, term 1
    2 Johnson, term 1
    3 Johnson, term 2
    4 Khan, term 1
    5 Livingstone, term 2

    I don't remember what Livingstone did in his first term tbh. Boris has been far and away the best mayor. Khan has been poor and full of excuses on knife crime. He seems more interested in banning bikini adverts on the tube and getting the police to chase people who say mean things on twitter than solving knife crime and other crimes that actually have a real effect on people.
    Khan is utterly useless. I agree he has been the worst mayor. Although Livingstone was a rancid socialist, he had interesting ideas for London. Khan has nothing. Zip.
    Sometimes not having many ideas is a good thing in a politician - as long as he keeps everything else running well (*). All too often, politicians have 'ideas' - either their own or whispered into their ears - that are unworkable or disastrous.

    A classic example if Boris's Garden Bridge. A pointless carbuncle that seems designed solely to enrich his cronies and hangers-on, paid for by the public purse.

    (*) I;m not saying Khan has.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,654
    Gove could still be prosecuted fot taking drugs back in the 1990s. No statutory limitation would apply to the offence.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 31,739
    "The only McVeigh is up
    Baby
    For you and me now!"

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 27,336

    DavidL said:

    brendan16 said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:



    Hmm, Boris will need to use the Cabinet to bind some remainers to his policy and may need to hand plum jobs to some of them to ensure they don't rebel and keep their friends in line. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Grieve made a come back and a few other unlikely resurrections.

    Am told one of things Boris is telling one nation Tories is that he'll intervene to stop the likes of Gauke and Grieve being deselected.
    Boris is clearly getting very good advice to ensure he carries a vote of confidence on day one.
    I must say generally the difference between the organisation and skill of his leadership campaign and his shambolic time as FS is really marked. It's almost as if he has found something he really cares about. The optimist in me reads this as showing that Boris is actually a lot more competent than he likes to pretend. The realist focuses on the point that he is an ego maniac.
    You forget he ran London as Mayor for 8 years - a city with more residents than Scotland, and Wales combined.

    He was in charge but his two key chief of staffs (both former council leaders) and deputy mayors - including Cleverly and Malthouse - and the Police/Fire/Transport commissoners did the detail.

    Boris doesn't seem to do detail and has a short attention span - but with the right team around him perhaps he might make a good fist of being PM. They have similariities - one minute its policing or counter-terrorism, then its the Olympics, then its sorting out Transport or Crossrail, then you have a meeting with the Chancellor or Home Secretary to discuss priorities etc etc. And with numerous photo ops and launches thrown in to keep him busy too.

    Some might say in terms of experience running a big operation he could be one of the best qualified PMs in years.
    I am getting more senile by the day but even I remember him being Mayor. I think he is smart enough to do the job. He's just totally untrustworthy. But maybe that's not the worst fault amongst the leadership contenders.

    Oh how I wish Rory was going to do better.
    It’s always worth remembering that MPs’ endorsements are for public consumption and it’s a secret ballot. So far they’ve only publicly decided who to back. No votes have been cast.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 26,163


    Never mind Gove and drugs. Will Shadsy put up a market on Theresa May's resignation honours list?

    What price can I get on an OBE for Fiona of Nick and Fiona fame?

    Mike Smithson in line for an OGH?
    Knowing May she will give Grayling a Knighthood for services to transport.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 24,348
    Back in around 2012, I said many times on here that Farron would be the next Lib Dem leader.

    About the same time, I started mentioning that Rory should be a future Conservative leader.

    I'd love to be right on that as well - although I doubt it'll be this time around ...
  • initforthemoneyinitforthemoney Posts: 640
    edited June 9

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Boris wasn’t such a bad mayor.

    The ranking of London mayoralties goes like this:

    1 Livingstone, term 1
    2 Johnson, term 1
    3 Johnson, term 2
    4 Khan, term 1
    5 Livingstone, term 2

    I don't remember what Livingstone did in his first term tbh. Boris has been far and away the best mayor. Khan has been poor and full of excuses on knife crime. He seems more interested in banning bikini adverts on the tube and getting the police to chase people who say mean things on twitter than solving knife crime and other crimes that actually have a real effect on people.
    Khan is utterly useless. I agree he has been the worst mayor. Although Livingstone was a rancid socialist, he had interesting ideas for London. Khan has nothing. Zip.
    Yeah Khan rode Boris' coattails for a bit with the night tube and hopper fare which were both planned by the Boris administration, since then he's literally done nothing for London other than posture and bullshit.

    He's supposed to stand up for London's industries on the global stage but seems to revel in stories about jobs leaving to Europe. He may not have voted for brexit and neither did the city as a whole, but it's still happening and spouting "London is open" a few times a month does nothing. I think that's where Boris was very good, he knew exactly how to represent London overseas and ensure that we were always in the conversation by bringing industry bodies with him. Khan seems to ignore the a lot of London's industries at the moment because they aren't giving him the negative brexit news he wants.

    As we discussed on here a couple of days ago, brexit is going to have a lot of unlikely winners in Europe and it doesn't seem, at the moment, that London will lose very much at all. Khan can't seem to get his head around that.
    Sadiq Khan does an excellent job of channelling and voicing his voters’ views. At a time when large parts of the country seem actively to hate London, that’s not to be underrated.
    His role in exacerbating the perception of difference and thus boosting this mutual hatred is a positive?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 39,243
    justin124 said:

    Gove could still be prosecuted fot taking drugs back in the 1990s. No statutory limitation would apply to the offence.

    If you feel so strongly about it, make a complaint to the police.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 27,336

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Boris wasn’t such a bad mayor.

    The ranking of London mayoralties goes like this:

    1 Livingstone, term 1
    2 Johnson, term 1
    3 Johnson, term 2
    4 Khan, term 1
    5 Livingstone, term 2

    I don't remember what Livingstone did in his first term tbh. Boris has been far and away the best mayor. Khan has been poor and full of excuses on knife crime. He seems more interested in banning bikini adverts on the tube and getting the police to chase people who say mean things on twitter than solving knife crime and other crimes that actually have a real effect on people.
    Khan is utterly useless. I agree he has been the worst mayor. Although Livingstone was a rancid socialist, he had interesting ideas for London. Khan has nothing. Zip.
    Yeah Khan rode Boris' coattails for a bit with the night tube and hopper fare which were both planned by the Boris administration, since then he's literally done nothing for London other than posture and bullshit.

    He's supposed to stand up for London's industries on the global stage but seems to revel in stories about jobs leaving to Europe. He may not have voted for brexit and neither did the city as a whole, but it's still happening and spouting "London is open" a few times a month does nothing. I think that's where Boris was very good, he knew exactly how to represent London overseas and ensure that we were always in the conversation by bringing industry bodies with him. Khan seems to ignore the a lot of London's industries at the moment because they aren't giving him the negative brexit news he wants.

    As we discussed on here a couple of days ago, brexit is going to have a lot of unlikely winners in Europe and it doesn't seem, at the moment, that London will lose very much at all. Khan can't seem to get his head around that.
    Sadiq Khan does an excellent job of channelling and voicing his voters’ views. At a time when large parts of the country seem actively to hate London, that’s not to be underrated.
    His role in in exacerbating the perception of difference and thus boosting this mutual hatred is a positive?
    He’s looking to get re-elected, not charm ignorant yokels.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 23,018

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Warner plays on, but the bails don't come off.

    This is getting as silly as Corbyn's attempts to claim he abhors racism.

    Same thing happened in another match last week.

    We know the flashing bails have the same weight as the wood ones, but either centre of mass, centre of gravity or coefficient of friction are likely different for them not to fall.

    Edit: Or possibly the flashing stumps are the cause of the problem, do we know they are the same weight and is the stump/ground interface the same with all the electronics and cameras?
    Actually they're heavier than standard bails but not as heavy as the heavy bails used in very windy conditions.
    Ah okay, so within an allowed weight range then? Someone here last week (Eagles?) said they were the same weight as standard bails.

    Either way, having flashing lights, then ignoring them when they flash, is a silly idea.
    I think the purpose of the flashing lights is for third umpire regarding run outs.
    Almost every run out goes ‘upstairs’ anyway, for grounding of the bat (and because they can). No need for the lights in that case either.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 7,476
    justin124 said:

    Gove could still be prosecuted fot taking drugs back in the 1990s. No statutory limitation would apply to the offence.

    I imagine the police may think they can save themselves a bob or two by waiting for some vindictive little shit to bring a private prosecution.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 8,654
    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    Gove could still be prosecuted fot taking drugs back in the 1990s. No statutory limitation would apply to the offence.

    If you feel so strongly about it, make a complaint to the police.
    It is a story the Opposition parties can reasonably run with. How could the authorities justify NOT taking action. Showing preference to Gove and his ilk clearly brings the law into disrepute.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 28,538
    I think Australia can do this v India.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 23,018
    justin124 said:

    Gove could still be prosecuted fot taking drugs back in the 1990s. No statutory limitation would apply to the offence.

    On what evidence?

    That he bragged about it on TV, that five people guilty of the same offence will stand up in court and admit their own guilt, that his dealer grasses him up?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 4,827
    edited June 9

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Boris wasn’t such a bad mayor.

    The ranking of London mayoralties goes like this:

    1 Livingstone, term 1
    2 Johnson, term 1
    3 Johnson, term 2
    4 Khan, term 1
    5 Livingstone, term 2

    I don't remember what Livingstone did in his first term tbh. Boris has been far and away the best mayor. Khan has been poor and full of excuses on knife crime. He seems more interested in banning bikini adverts on the tube and getting the police to chase people who say mean things on twitter than solving knife crime and other crimes that actually have a real effect on people.
    Khan is utterly useless. I agree he has been the worst mayor. Although Livingstone was a rancid socialist, he had interesting ideas for London. Khan has nothing. Zip.
    Yeah Khan rode Boris' coattails for a bit with the night tube and hopper fare which were both planned by the Boris administration, since then he's literally done nothing for London other than posture and bullshit.

    He's supposed to stand up for London's industries on the global stage but seems to revel in stories about jobs leaving to Europe. He may not have voted for brexit and neither did the city as a whole, but it's still happening and spouting "London is open" a few times a month does nothing. I think that's where Boris was very good, he knew exactly how to represent London overseas and ensure that we were always in the conversation by bringing industry bodies with him. Khan seems to ignore the a lot of London's industries at the moment because they aren't giving him the negative brexit news he wants.

    As we discussed on here a couple of days ago, brexit is going to have a lot of unlikely winners in Europe and it doesn't seem, at the moment, that London will lose very much at all. Khan can't seem to get his head around that.
    Sadiq Khan does an excellent job of channelling and voicing his voters’ views. At a time when large parts of the country seem actively to hate London, that’s not to be underrated.
    His role in in exacerbating the perception of difference and thus boosting this mutual hatred is a positive?
    He’s looking to get re-elected, not charm ignorant yokels.
    Charming ignorant yokels is optional.
    I’m more interested in his ability to do something with his mandate. He has done nothing, unless you count rising knife crime and mismanagement of TfL finances.
  • initforthemoneyinitforthemoney Posts: 640

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Boris wasn’t such a bad mayor.

    The ranking of London mayoralties goes like this:

    1 Livingstone, term 1
    2 Johnson, term 1
    3 Johnson, term 2
    4 Khan, term 1
    5 Livingstone, term 2

    I don't remember what Livingstone did in his first term tbh. Boris has been far and away the best mayor. Khan has been poor and full of excuses on knife crime. He seems more interested in banning bikini adverts on the tube and getting the police to chase people who say mean things on twitter than solving knife crime and other crimes that actually have a real effect on people.
    Khan is utterly useless. I agree he has been the worst mayor. Although Livingstone was a rancid socialist, he had interesting ideas for London. Khan has nothing. Zip.
    Yeah Khan rode Boris' coattails for a bit with the night tube and hopper fare which were both planned by the Boris administration, since then he's literally done nothing for London other than posture and bullshit.

    He's supposed to stand up for London's industries on the global stage but seems to revel in stories about jobs leaving to Europe. He may not have voted for brexit and neither did the city as a whole, but it's still happening and spouting "London is open" a few times a month does nothing. I think that's where Boris was very good, he knew exactly how to represent London overseas and ensure that we were always in the conversation by bringing industry bodies with him. Khan seems to ignore the a lot of London's industries at the moment because they aren't giving him the negative brexit news he wants.

    As we discussed on here a couple of days ago, brexit is going to have a lot of unlikely winners in Europe and it doesn't seem, at the moment, that London will lose very much at all. Khan can't seem to get his head around that.
    Sadiq Khan does an excellent job of channelling and voicing his voters’ views. At a time when large parts of the country seem actively to hate London, that’s not to be underrated.
    His role in in exacerbating the perception of difference and thus boosting this mutual hatred is a positive?
    He’s looking to get re-elected, not charm ignorant yokels.
    You're telling us we shouldn't underrate his desire to get re-elected? Thanks for that.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 5,604
    Mr Meeks,

    It may be unfair, but I suspect you'd be shocked how disliked London is in the rest of the country. And it extends across all classes of voters.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 16,259
    AndyJS said:

    I think Australia can do this v India.

    India were scoring at this sort of rate at the same stage.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 28,538

    AndyJS said:

    I think Australia can do this v India.

    India were scoring at this sort of rate at the same stage.
    4.3 seems like value on Betfair.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 39,243
    justin124 said:

    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    Gove could still be prosecuted fot taking drugs back in the 1990s. No statutory limitation would apply to the offence.

    If you feel so strongly about it, make a complaint to the police.
    It is a story the Opposition parties can reasonably run with. How could the authorities justify NOT taking action. Showing preference to Gove and his ilk clearly brings the law into disrepute.
    I don't think they are showing preference to them. In fact, I think the opposite would be true if they went through with your plan and hauled them in front of the courts. Why them, and not the millions of others that have used illicit drugs?
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 8,306
    Barry Gardiner - LOL

    What an arse
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 26,163
    Floater said:

    Barry Gardiner - LOL

    What an arse

    What's he done now?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 11,780
    edited June 9
    The Barry Gardiner line makes me think of that Churchill comeback to being accused of being disgustingly drunk by a female MP: "My dear, you are ugly, and what's more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly."
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 28,538
    edited June 9
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 23,018

    australia digging in for a draw

    India the value surely now at 1.3
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 28,538
    Sandpit said:

    australia digging in for a draw

    India the value surely now at 1.3
    Famous last words from me a few minutes ago.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 27,336
    CD13 said:

    Mr Meeks,

    It may be unfair, but I suspect you'd be shocked how disliked London is in the rest of the country. And it extends across all classes of voters.

    I’m well aware how much provincials hate the people who fund their lifestyle, as are most Londoners. That’s why a mayor who speaks for them in the face of an onslaught from angry freeloaders is doing ok.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 77,461
    justin124 said:

    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    Gove could still be prosecuted fot taking drugs back in the 1990s. No statutory limitation would apply to the offence.

    If you feel so strongly about it, make a complaint to the police.
    It is a story the Opposition parties can reasonably run with. How could the authorities justify NOT taking action. Showing preference to Gove and his ilk clearly brings the law into disrepute.
    I don't think it would pass the evidentiary test, so am not sure how you're even getting to a prosecution.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 19,479
    Gove would have been a first class PM. But he has blown it now completely. He is exposed as a hypocrite and, just as importantly, someone who happily flouts the law when it suits him. Certainly not what we would want of a PM.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 16,259
    AndyJS said:

    Sandpit said:

    australia digging in for a draw

    India the value surely now at 1.3
    Famous last words from me a few minutes ago.
    Might incite Warner. Both he and Smith have something to prove.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 11,550
    Can we, as a request, drop "youthful indescretion" as a defence of something that was done in a person's 30s?
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,037
    Boris is getting shorter, as to a lesser extent are Hunt and Leadsom; Gove is on the drift. Bet carefully.
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