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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,742
    Stocky said:

    According to Order Order spreadsheet, 67% have made their choice. It then breaks down who supported or opposed Corbyn in 2016.

    Of the MPs that have declared, I notice that those that oppossed him vastly outnumber those who supported him. I conclude, then, that most of the 33% who haven`t yet declared are Corbyn supporters.

    I don`t know what conclusion to draw from this - just thought I`d point it out.

    They are waiting for the resurrection of the Jezziah?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    Stocky said:

    According to Order Order spreadsheet, 67% have made their choice. It then breaks down who supported or opposed Corbyn in 2016.

    Of the MPs that have declared, I notice that those that oppossed him vastly outnumber those who supported him. I conclude, then, that most of the 33% who haven`t yet declared are Corbyn supporters.

    I don`t know what conclusion to draw from this - just thought I`d point it out.

    Those who supportd him all lost their seats in December? (If only!)
  • isamisam Posts: 40,730
    I just had a message from a shrewd punter who is a bit of a Labour insider that said RLB is a big value bet at current odds as it’s basically a match between her and Starmer
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,742

    Stocky said:

    According to Order Order spreadsheet, 67% have made their choice. It then breaks down who supported or opposed Corbyn in 2016.

    Of the MPs that have declared, I notice that those that oppossed him vastly outnumber those who supported him. I conclude, then, that most of the 33% who haven`t yet declared are Corbyn supporters.

    I don`t know what conclusion to draw from this - just thought I`d point it out.

    Those who supportd him all lost their seats in December? (If only!)
    Of all the high profile Corbynistas, the only casualty that I can think of is Pidcock, although Trickett and Lavery both had bad frights. Very few of them represented seats in the north and Midlands, rather they represented trendy seats in London, Manchester and Leeds.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    IshmaelZ said:

    justin124 said:

    Could the Lords still hold up Brexit by forcing the Government to rely on the Parliament Act?

    Salisbury Convention.
    But the Lords would not be exceeding their powers by doing so - and given how Johnson played fast and loose with Prorogation last Autumn , he would not be well placed to complain.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    justin124 said:

    Could the Lords still hold up Brexit by forcing the Government to rely on the Parliament Act?

    On what grounds?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958

    BigRich said:

    Sandpit said:

    Party updates on nominations

    Clive Lewis 4
    Rebecca Long-Bailey 26
    Lisa Nandy 22
    Jess Phillips 22
    Keir Starmer 59
    Emily Thornberry 7

    21 is the threshold to advance to next stage

    So four definitely in it, the question now is will the remaining MPs think that’s enough - or will they seek to ‘widen the field’ as they did when they nominated Corbyn at the last minute (albeit under a different system) in 2015?
    Not necessarily, They still need to get 5% of CLPs to endorse them, (or some trade unions I think) 5% would be about 33 I think, if its one for each GB Constituency, and we don't know how this will go.

    PS Thornberry now up to 10!

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10q5FYBp4skFfDNpauWAdUMnP1NbBryW8qkYVC7uTICU/edit#gid=0
    There are repeated names under Phillips, at least 3 MPs appear twice
    Vote early, vote often, babs.....
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    Stocky said:

    According to Order Order spreadsheet, 67% have made their choice. It then breaks down who supported or opposed Corbyn in 2016.

    Of the MPs that have declared, I notice that those that oppossed him vastly outnumber those who supported him. I conclude, then, that most of the 33% who haven`t yet declared are Corbyn supporters.

    I don`t know what conclusion to draw from this - just thought I`d point it out.

    No, by 'corbyn supporters' it is I think referring to the 2016 vote of no confidante, when only 40 MPs voted for him, some of which have now retierd, or lost there seats in the 2 GE since them, I dont know haw many are left but would be supervised if its much over 30.

    https://fullfact.org/news/labour-party-confidence-jeremy-corbyn/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    edited January 2020
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:


    justin124 said:

    Could the Lords still hold up Brexit by forcing the Government to rely on the Parliament Act?

    It could, at the risk of half of them being removed by the Government in response
    I think it would be very very surprising if the Lords tried to overrule a policy which has been pretty emphatically voted on in what the Opposition at least described as a single issue election. It would be as reckless as Westminster trying to block another Scottish referendum should the SNP win a majority next year.

    But more pertinently, with the Benn act gone and no Remainer majority in the Commons, if they do block it it won’t be revoke, it will be no deal, and I cannot believe they will be daft enough to vote for that.
    Though the Conservatives at least were elected with a UK wide majority on a manifesto commitment for no indyref2 for their full 5 year term.

    The Lords is an appointed not an elected body
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited January 2020
    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    Could the Lords still hold up Brexit by forcing the Government to rely on the Parliament Act?

    On what grounds?
    That the Second Chamber disagrees with the proposed legislation.In relation to the election , it could be argued that just 47% voted for Leave parties.
    What would the Government do if the Lords passed amendments and refused to give way during the ping pong process?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,614
    justin124 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    justin124 said:

    Could the Lords still hold up Brexit by forcing the Government to rely on the Parliament Act?

    Salisbury Convention.
    But the Lords would not be exceeding their powers by doing so - and given how Johnson played fast and loose with Prorogation last Autumn , he would not be well placed to complain.
    The law says that we leave the EU on 31st January. If the Lords don’t pass the bill then we leave with no deal. There’s no Gireive, Gauke and Bercow to delay it in the Commons this time.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,742
    edited January 2020
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:


    justin124 said:

    Could the Lords still hold up Brexit by forcing the Government to rely on the Parliament Act?

    It could, at the risk of half of them being removed by the Government in response
    I think it would be very very surprising if the Lords tried to overrule a policy which has been pretty emphatically voted on in what the Opposition at least described as a single issue election. It would be as reckless as Westminster trying to block another Scottish referendum should the SNP win a majority next year.

    But more pertinently, with the Benn act gone and no Remainer majority in the Commons, if they do block it it won’t be revoke, it will be no deal, and I cannot believe they will be daft enough to vote for that.
    Though the Conservatives at least were elected with a UK wide majority on a manifesto commitment for no indyref2 for their full 5 year term.

    The Lords is an appointed not an elected body
    If the SNP win a majority at Holyrood, I do not think a Tory majority in England will trump the principle of self-determination for Scotland. That isn’t how it works. Indeed, the surest way to see a referendum have one is probably to say it won’t be allowed to happen.

    But at the same time, the SNP have many headwinds to battle to win a majority.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695
    edited January 2020
    Buck House going to move "at pace" to facilitate The Sussexess new life =

    H and Meg will be stripped of their titles, will have all their stuff packed up, will have the locks changed on Frogmore and will be on a one way ticket to LA by the end of the weekend? :D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    edited January 2020
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:


    justin124 said:

    Could the Lords still hold up Brexit by forcing the Government to rely on the Parliament Act?

    It could, at the risk of half of them being removed by the Government in response
    I think it would be very very surprising if the Lords tried to overrule a policy which has been pretty emphatically voted on in what the Opposition at least described as a single issue election. It would be as reckless as Westminster trying to block another Scottish referendum should the SNP win a majority next year.

    But more pertinently, with the Benn act gone and no Remainer majority in the Commons, if they do block it it won’t be revoke, it will be no deal, and I cannot believe they will be daft enough to vote for that.
    Though the Conservatives at least were elected with a UK wide majority on a manifesto commitment for no indyref2 for their full 5 year term.

    The Lords is an appointed not an elected body
    If the SNP win a majority at Holyrood, I do not think a Tory majority in England will trump the principle of self-determination for Scotland. That isn’t how it works. Indeed, the surest way to see a referendum have one is probably to say it won’t be allowed to happen.

    But at the same time, the SNP have many headwinds to battle to win a majority.
    It does, the Tories won a UK wide majority on a manifesto commitment to block indyref2 for their full 5 year term just 5 years after Unionists won a 'once in a generation' Scottish referendum to keep Scotland in the UK. As the Spanish government has shown illegal unauthorised independence referendums can be ignored and stopped.

    All the SNP losing their majority with the Greens at Holyrood next year would do is avoid a clash with Westminster
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,742
    GIN1138 said:

    Buck House going to move "at pace" to facilitate The Sussexess new life =

    H and Meg will be stripped of their titles, will have all their stuff packed up, will have the locks changes on Frogmore and will be on a one way ticket to LA by the end of the weekend? :D

    Quite a job to strip somebody of a title. It might require an Act of Attainder. Can’t see how the Titles Deprivation act would apply.

    So I guess that is one thing that will stay.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    justin124 said:

    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    Could the Lords still hold up Brexit by forcing the Government to rely on the Parliament Act?

    On what grounds?
    That the Second Chamber disagrees with the proposed legislation.In relation to the election , it could be argued that just 47% voted for Leave parties.
    What would the Government do if the Lords passed amendments and refused to give way during the ping pong process?
    Votes don't matter, seats do.

    If the Lords were to play silly buggers, the government could simply curtail this session of Parliament until the requisite number of sessions is over to use the parliament act. That, or create a ton of Leave peers.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,742
    edited January 2020
    Two brick walls on here wilfully missing the point as usual.

    I shall go and do some more work.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695
    justin124 said:

    Could the Lords still hold up Brexit by forcing the Government to rely on the Parliament Act?

    It could but really what would be the point when there's an 80 seat Con majority in the Commons?
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Scottish Labour ‘could back second independence referendum’
    Exclusive: Party leader Richard Leonard will raise option with executive committee

    Party sources have told the Guardian that Leonard will raise that possibility at Labour’s Scottish executive committee on Saturday, where it could also discuss demands for it to split formally from the UK Labour party.

    Killen responded: “Agreed. I campaigned on a promise to vote against indyref2, but I lost. The SNP made massive gains on a promise to hold another referendum and, as democrats, we must accept it even if we don’t like it.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/09/scottish-labour-could-back-independence-referendum-indyref2
  • Cookie said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cookie said:


    Apart from that it would be quite odd to have a Prime Minister called Barry.

    Bazza.
    Bozza and Bazza were two pretty men.

    But they were pretty epically rubbish as leader of the opposition and PM.
    Brilliant!
    I'm now a Bazza backer. Have decided it would be brilliant to live in a country in which the two principle political figures are Bozza and Bazza.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3-8d6b4ytY
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    edited January 2020

    Scottish Labour ‘could back second independence referendum’
    Exclusive: Party leader Richard Leonard will raise option with executive committee

    Party sources have told the Guardian that Leonard will raise that possibility at Labour’s Scottish executive committee on Saturday, where it could also discuss demands for it to split formally from the UK Labour party.

    Killen responded: “Agreed. I campaigned on a promise to vote against indyref2, but I lost. The SNP made massive gains on a promise to hold another referendum and, as democrats, we must accept it even if we don’t like it.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/09/scottish-labour-could-back-independence-referendum-indyref2

    Who cares, the Tories won a majority not Labour and 54% of Scots voted for Unionist parties.

    The article also suggests Scottish Labour would want a pro Federal UK option included too Sturgeon is unlikely to agree to
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695
    Anyone missing Bercow, Grieve, Soubry, Woolaston, Letwin etc etc etc yet ? ;)
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    HYUFD said:

    Scottish Labour ‘could back second independence referendum’
    Exclusive: Party leader Richard Leonard will raise option with executive committee

    Party sources have told the Guardian that Leonard will raise that possibility at Labour’s Scottish executive committee on Saturday, where it could also discuss demands for it to split formally from the UK Labour party.

    Killen responded: “Agreed. I campaigned on a promise to vote against indyref2, but I lost. The SNP made massive gains on a promise to hold another referendum and, as democrats, we must accept it even if we don’t like it.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/09/scottish-labour-could-back-independence-referendum-indyref2

    Who cares, the Tories won a majority not Labour and 54% of Scots voted for Unionist parties.

    The article also suggests Scottish Labour would want a pro Federal UK option included too Sturgeon is unlikely to agree to
    You ought to care. If Labour manage to finesse this they could secure Scotland’s place in the Union. Because one thing’s for sure: you Tory dafties will never manage it without their help.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    GIN1138 said:

    Anyone missing Bercow, Grieve, Soubry, Woolaston, Letwin etc etc etc yet ? ;)

    :)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    GIN1138 said:

    Anyone missing Bercow, Grieve, Soubry, Woolaston, Letwin etc etc etc yet ? ;)

    Not even Hammond? How soon we forget.....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    RobD said:

    justin124 said:

    Could the Lords still hold up Brexit by forcing the Government to rely on the Parliament Act?

    On what grounds?
    That the Second Chamber disagrees with the proposed legislation.In relation to the election , it could be argued that just 47% voted for Leave parties.
    What would the Government do if the Lords passed amendments and refused to give way during the ping pong process?
    Votes don't matter, seats do.

    If the Lords were to play silly buggers, the government could simply curtail this session of Parliament until the requisite number of sessions is over to use the parliament act. That, or create a ton of Leave peers.
    Happy to rent the ermine as a Peer for a Year, Prime Minister.....
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,741
    HYUFD said:


    Though the Conservatives at least were elected with a UK wide majority on a manifesto commitment for no indyref2 for their full 5 year term.

    A question if I may:

    You are of course quite correct but let's assume the SNP win a majority in the 2021 Holyrood elections (not inconceivable) and in the 2024 UK GE the Conservatives lose their majority (for whatever reason) but can remain in Government with SNP support.

    Would Johnson be in that instance prepared to offer a second independence referendum in exchange for SNP C&S support at Westminster?

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,231

    GIN1138 said:

    Anyone missing Bercow, Grieve, Soubry, Woolaston, Letwin etc etc etc yet ? ;)

    Not even Hammond? How soon we forget.....
    Oh you know. He did a thing. And he wore a suit. Very grey. And the suit. He was on telly. With that woman with the twitch. You know, her. It seems so long ago. I wonder what happened to them... :)

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    viewcode said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Anyone missing Bercow, Grieve, Soubry, Woolaston, Letwin etc etc etc yet ? ;)

    Not even Hammond? How soon we forget.....
    Oh you know. He did a thing. And he wore a suit. Very grey. And the suit. He was on telly. With that woman with the twitch. You know, her. It seems so long ago. I wonder what happened to them... :)

    These Remoaners really do seem to belong to a different decade....
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,282
    Team Corbyn's problems are evident but not insurmountable - so I wouldn't write them off yet. She still has the institutional advantages of likely Momentum and Unite backing, as well as the outriders with a disproportionate influence on discourse within the Labour Party.

    What badly wrongfooted them I think was the scale of December's defeat. The assumption was that even in a disappointing election they'd stay roughly where they were, and that RLB could quite easily make an argument that Brexit and media attacks on Corbyn had denied them a victory a northern, working class woman with less baggage could win. It would have been rubbish, of course, but would've been bought by the important swing voters in the membership who (tragically, and inexplicably in a way that doesn't bode well for the future imho) liked Corbyn but do still value winning elections over revolutionary socialist cosplay.

    However, getting hammered to the extent they did has made stuff like her Tribune launch and the 10/10 remarks laughable. She cannot now run as an explicit continuity candidate, which I think was pretty much the plan, and hasn't quite worked out which bits she needs to and can get away with disavowing without breaking up the hard left bit of the Corbyn coalition into the usual factional infighting. It is, for example, going to be quite difficult to ride both the woke horse, and the Len McCluskey bred one demanding that be ditched in favour of embracing Lexit and a mythical imagining of the working class.

    But I think they still may be able to beat Starmer - he has all the relative advantages now but they may drop away. Name recognition, the shock of defeat, and a Corbynista machine that was straight out of the traps in savaging Owen Smith as a nefarious Blairite stooge, not getting going quickly as it struggles to work out a new strategy. But when they do, if she can turn it into an election where she's both the 'left' candidate, and can cast herself as a progressive choice as the top woman sh, and he's a Kinnock figure in disguise inching back to New Labour, she may win. We're not quite yet at the stage where Labour members have got over their ludicrous and toxic disdain for those in the Labour Party that actually had to govern. Plus, once things settle into a solid race I'd expect the Corbynistas to start tucking into Starmer's record as DPP as making him "a cop" in the same way that Kamala Harris was in the States. One shouldn't underestimate the effect one or two dodgy prosecutions could have on an electorate that got their knickers in a twist over a phrase printed on a mug back in 2015.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    GIN1138 said:

    Buck House going to move "at pace" to facilitate The Sussexess new life =

    H and Meg will be stripped of their titles, will have all their stuff packed up, will have the locks changed on Frogmore and will be on a one way ticket to LA by the end of the weekend? :D

    The Suss-exes? How soon we forget.....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,014
    Again, the Queen is bending over backwards to find a solution for the Sussexes:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51055074

    I'm sure this will be appreciated and acknowledged by the usual suspects.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,231

    viewcode said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Anyone missing Bercow, Grieve, Soubry, Woolaston, Letwin etc etc etc yet ? ;)

    Not even Hammond? How soon we forget.....
    Oh you know. He did a thing. And he wore a suit. Very grey. And the suit. He was on telly. With that woman with the twitch. You know, her. It seems so long ago. I wonder what happened to them... :)

    These Remoaners really do seem to belong to a different decade....
    That's just so 2019... :)
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    GIN1138 said:

    Anyone missing Bercow, Grieve, Soubry, Woolaston, Letwin etc etc etc yet ? ;)

    Not even Hammond? How soon we forget.....
    Who?
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 755

    Scottish Labour ‘could back second independence referendum’
    Exclusive: Party leader Richard Leonard will raise option with executive committee

    Party sources have told the Guardian that Leonard will raise that possibility at Labour’s Scottish executive committee on Saturday, where it could also discuss demands for it to split formally from the UK Labour party.

    Killen responded: “Agreed. I campaigned on a promise to vote against indyref2, but I lost. The SNP made massive gains on a promise to hold another referendum and, as democrats, we must accept it even if we don’t like it.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/09/scottish-labour-could-back-independence-referendum-indyref2

    I take the curious aesthetic that if Labour were to equivocate on Unionism, that anti-independence vote would start to coalesce under the Conservatives. Obviously, there has to be an existential threat to justify the leap in peoples' minds. Indyref2 with polling for "Yes" in mid-50's for a while would probably be enough. So I reckon Boris wants it.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 18,231
    GIN1138 said:

    Buck House going to move "at pace" to facilitate The Sussexess new life =

    H and Meg will be stripped of their titles, will have all their stuff packed up, will have the locks changed on Frogmore and will be on a one way ticket to LA by the end of the weekend? :D

    Can we start a petition to make them Duke and Duchess of Windsor? Then we can give the Sussex's title to somebody who actually likes the UK... :(

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,045
    viewcode said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Buck House going to move "at pace" to facilitate The Sussexess new life =

    H and Meg will be stripped of their titles, will have all their stuff packed up, will have the locks changed on Frogmore and will be on a one way ticket to LA by the end of the weekend? :D

    Can we start a petition to make them Duke and Duchess of Windsor? Then we can give the Sussex's title to somebody who actually likes the UK... :(

    I don't see what Windsor has done to deserve that.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695
    edited January 2020
    Still catching up with things after winding down after the election and then there was Christmas/New Year etc.

    I see Jolyon Maugham hasn't tweeted since Boxing Day. Interestingly this was the same day he took to Twitter to tell the world he'd smashed a foxes brains in and was then reported by numerous people to RSPCA!!!!!

    Coincidence? ;)
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    GIN1138 said:

    Anyone missing Bercow, Grieve, Soubry, Woolaston, Letwin etc etc etc yet ? ;)

    The media luvies. Wall to wall coverage when Boris was going to get beaten with panting presenters salivating over their analysis. Now they can even be bothered to report the vote.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,960
    Barry Gardiner appears to no longer be standing for Labour leader.

    Although on past form, he'll change his mind again in a few hours.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958

    GIN1138 said:

    Anyone missing Bercow, Grieve, Soubry, Woolaston, Letwin etc etc etc yet ? ;)

    The media luvies. Wall to wall coverage when Boris was going to get beaten with panting presenters salivating over their analysis. Now they can even be bothered to report the vote.
    Heaven forbid you should disappoint the media. You are dead to them.....
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    Bozo was elected on allegedly getting Brexit done !

    Sturgeon on another indy vote .

    If people are expected to respect the GE result even if they hate Brexit then surely the same goes for another indy vote .

    The SNP have a clear mandate for that.
  • Endillion said:

    Barry Gardiner appears to no longer be standing for Labour leader.

    Although on past form, he'll change his mind again in a few hours.

    Do they have to pay to enter?
  • @Endillion

    Do you have a link please?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653
    I`ve just had this email from Farage and Tice:

    "The cross party campaign group, Leave Means Leave, is organising the Brexit Day celebration party in Parliament Square on 31st January. This is a hugely significant constitutional moment in our nation's history.

    The Brexit Party is pleased to be supporting the event along with many other Brexit groups. You can pre-register for the event by visiting www.brexitcelebration.com and signing up.

    The event is still subject to final GLA approval but excellent progress is being made on this.

    The event will start from 9pm and finish just after we leave the European Union at 11pm.

    Come and join the fun!"
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    Stocky said:

    I`ve just had this email from Farage and Tice:

    "The cross party campaign group, Leave Means Leave, is organising the Brexit Day celebration party in Parliament Square on 31st January. This is a hugely significant constitutional moment in our nation's history.

    The Brexit Party is pleased to be supporting the event along with many other Brexit groups. You can pre-register for the event by visiting www.brexitcelebration.com and signing up.

    The event is still subject to final GLA approval but excellent progress is being made on this.

    The event will start from 9pm and finish just after we leave the European Union at 11pm.

    Come and join the fun!"

    I think I may go, :) any others PB BREXITTEARS on here feel like meeting up there?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653
    BigRich said:

    Stocky said:

    I`ve just had this email from Farage and Tice:

    "The cross party campaign group, Leave Means Leave, is organising the Brexit Day celebration party in Parliament Square on 31st January. This is a hugely significant constitutional moment in our nation's history.

    The Brexit Party is pleased to be supporting the event along with many other Brexit groups. You can pre-register for the event by visiting www.brexitcelebration.com and signing up.

    The event is still subject to final GLA approval but excellent progress is being made on this.

    The event will start from 9pm and finish just after we leave the European Union at 11pm.

    Come and join the fun!"

    I think I may go, :) any others PB BREXITTEARS on here feel like meeting up there?
    I`m definitely going - got my train and hotel booked. Will be difficult to meet up though. I`m just going to gawp and take photos. I may take an EU flag to wind everyone up.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 9,653
    According to Mark Francois` (joke) Twitter feed:

    "As of January 31st it will no longer be possible to catch German measles in the UK."
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    Why is Farage celebrating Brexit Day? I thought the Boris deal was not a real Brexit?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    nico67 said:

    Bozo was elected on allegedly getting Brexit done !

    Sturgeon on another indy vote .

    If people are expected to respect the GE result even if they hate Brexit then surely the same goes for another indy vote .

    The SNP have a clear mandate for that.

    Westminster is the superior body to Holyrood and the majority of MPs at Westminster were elected on a manifesto commitment to no indyref2 and 54% of Scots voted for Unionist parties anyway
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    Though the Conservatives at least were elected with a UK wide majority on a manifesto commitment for no indyref2 for their full 5 year term.

    A question if I may:

    You are of course quite correct but let's assume the SNP win a majority in the 2021 Holyrood elections (not inconceivable) and in the 2024 UK GE the Conservatives lose their majority (for whatever reason) but can remain in Government with SNP support.

    Would Johnson be in that instance prepared to offer a second independence referendum in exchange for SNP C&S support at Westminster?

    I suspect not, especially if he had another manifesto commitment to no indyref2 but that is hypothetical, Boris won a UK wide majority for a full 5 year term on a commitment to block indyref2
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,960
    edited January 2020

    @Endillion

    Do you have a link please?

    Mainly that he's randomly shot out to 1000 on Betfair. This is the best I can find for a proper source:
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1215359542252462083

    Edit: maybe this? Timestamp looks a little suspect and there's no clear evidence of authorship.
    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1215366431002505218
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,502
    From disgruntled EU member to US lapdog !

    When can people start applying for their vassal state passports.
  • 167 out of 203 labour mps voting against the Brexit bill

    The rest abstained
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,695
    HYUFD said:
    We'll never get that Bozza Vs Bazza election now! :(
  • Endillion said:

    @Endillion

    Do you have a link please?

    Mainly that he's randomly shot out to 1000 on Betfair. This is the best I can find for a proper source:
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1215359542252462083

    Edit: maybe this? Timestamp looks a little suspect and there's no clear evidence of authorship.
    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1215366431002505218
    Thank you, he wasn't going to win anyway.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,960

    Endillion said:

    @Endillion

    Do you have a link please?

    Mainly that he's randomly shot out to 1000 on Betfair. This is the best I can find for a proper source:
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1215359542252462083

    Edit: maybe this? Timestamp looks a little suspect and there's no clear evidence of authorship.
    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1215366431002505218
    Thank you, he wasn't going to win anyway.
    Well, neither was Corbyn at this stage!
  • HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:


    Though the Conservatives at least were elected with a UK wide majority on a manifesto commitment for no indyref2 for their full 5 year term.

    A question if I may:

    You are of course quite correct but let's assume the SNP win a majority in the 2021 Holyrood elections (not inconceivable) and in the 2024 UK GE the Conservatives lose their majority (for whatever reason) but can remain in Government with SNP support.

    Would Johnson be in that instance prepared to offer a second independence referendum in exchange for SNP C&S support at Westminster?

    I suspect not, especially if he had another manifesto commitment to no indyref2 but that is hypothetical, Boris won a UK wide majority for a full 5 year term on a commitment to block indyref2
    Is every single point in the 2019 manifesto a "commitment"?
  • HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:


    justin124 said:

    Could the Lords still hold up Brexit by forcing the Government to rely on the Parliament Act?

    It could, at the risk of half of them being removed by the Government in response
    I think it would be very very surprising if the Lords tried to overrule a policy which has been pretty emphatically voted on in what the Opposition at least described as a single issue election. It would be as reckless as Westminster trying to block another Scottish referendum should the SNP win a majority next year.

    But more pertinently, with the Benn act gone and no Remainer majority in the Commons, if they do block it it won’t be revoke, it will be no deal, and I cannot believe they will be daft enough to vote for that.
    Though the Conservatives at least were elected with a UK wide majority on a manifesto commitment for no indyref2 for their full 5 year term.

    The Lords is an appointed not an elected body
    If the SNP win a majority at Holyrood, I do not think a Tory majority in England will trump the principle of self-determination for Scotland. That isn’t how it works. Indeed, the surest way to see a referendum have one is probably to say it won’t be allowed to happen.

    But at the same time, the SNP have many headwinds to battle to win a majority.
    It does, the Tories won a UK wide majority on a manifesto commitment to block indyref2 for their full 5 year term just 5 years after Unionists won a 'once in a generation' Scottish referendum to keep Scotland in the UK. As the Spanish government has shown illegal unauthorised independence referendums can be ignored and stopped.

    All the SNP losing their majority with the Greens at Holyrood next year would do is avoid a clash with Westminster
    Una, Grande y Libre!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 50,763
    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Of couse it was.

    The Iranians just have to come clean on this. A tragic accident will be accepted, albeit it a very bitter additional cost to the "slap" they gave the Americans. What will not be accepted is tampering with black box. And that will just feed into the notion that the Iranians can't be trusted on their nuclear bomb programme.

    Trump has always said they can't be trusted and the EU was naive to think they would play by the rules. Tehran can't give Trump a victory with the EU on top of his successful assassination of their top military master tactition.
    Mark, thanks for asking earlier , I am at hospital all day so no chance to reply. Wife has finally turned the corner , she has double pneumonia and was really bad till yesterday but has picked up last two days. Will be a long recovery for her but happy with that. I am still on antibiotics but getting better myself. So a lot happier then I have been this last week, which was a real stinker. Onwards and upwards, I am treating myself to a beer tonight.
    Only silver lining is I have lost all my blubber.
    Delighted to read that Malcolm. I hope the improvement continues for both of you.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674
    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    Bozo was elected on allegedly getting Brexit done !

    Sturgeon on another indy vote .

    If people are expected to respect the GE result even if they hate Brexit then surely the same goes for another indy vote .

    The SNP have a clear mandate for that.

    Westminster is the superior body to Holyrood and the majority of MPs at Westminster were elected on a manifesto commitment to no indyref2 and 54% of Scots voted for Unionist parties anyway
    arsehole you do not half talk shite
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I see RLB is back to 5.8 tonight.

    So once again I ask. Surely RLB is too long at 5.8?

    ;)
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    GIN1138 said:

    Anyone missing Bercow, Grieve, Soubry, Woolaston, Letwin etc etc etc yet ? ;)

    Not even Hammond? How soon we forget.....
    Their replacements have yet to fill their shoes. No doubt we’ll see whether they have any ability to apply statesmanlike judgement in due course. The auguries are not good.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674
    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Of couse it was.

    The Iranians just have to come clean on this. A tragic accident will be accepted, albeit it a very bitter additional cost to the "slap" they gave the Americans. What will not be accepted is tampering with black box. And that will just feed into the notion that the Iranians can't be trusted on their nuclear bomb programme.

    Trump has always said they can't be trusted and the EU was naive to think they would play by the rules. Tehran can't give Trump a victory with the EU on top of his successful assassination of their top military master tactition.
    Mark, thanks for asking earlier , I am at hospital all day so no chance to reply. Wife has finally turned the corner , she has double pneumonia and was really bad till yesterday but has picked up last two days. Will be a long recovery for her but happy with that. I am still on antibiotics but getting better myself. So a lot happier then I have been this last week, which was a real stinker. Onwards and upwards, I am treating myself to a beer tonight.
    Only silver lining is I have lost all my blubber.
    Delighted to read that Malcolm. I hope the improvement continues for both of you.
    thanks David, I have actually learned to operate a washing machine. I will be domesticated before this is over.
  • malcolmg said:

    Mark, thanks for asking earlier , I am at hospital all day so no chance to reply. Wife has finally turned the corner , she has double pneumonia and was really bad till yesterday but has picked up last two days. Will be a long recovery for her but happy with that. I am still on antibiotics but getting better myself. So a lot happier then I have been this last week, which was a real stinker. Onwards and upwards, I am treating myself to a beer tonight.
    Only silver lining is I have lost all my blubber.

    Wishing you and your wife all the best Malc!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,674

    malcolmg said:

    Mark, thanks for asking earlier , I am at hospital all day so no chance to reply. Wife has finally turned the corner , she has double pneumonia and was really bad till yesterday but has picked up last two days. Will be a long recovery for her but happy with that. I am still on antibiotics but getting better myself. So a lot happier then I have been this last week, which was a real stinker. Onwards and upwards, I am treating myself to a beer tonight.
    Only silver lining is I have lost all my blubber.

    Wishing you and your wife all the best Malc!
    Cheers
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Of couse it was.

    The Iranians just have to come clean on this. A tragic accident will be accepted, albeit it a very bitter additional cost to the "slap" they gave the Americans. What will not be accepted is tampering with black box. And that will just feed into the notion that the Iranians can't be trusted on their nuclear bomb programme.

    Trump has always said they can't be trusted and the EU was naive to think they would play by the rules. Tehran can't give Trump a victory with the EU on top of his successful assassination of their top military master tactition.
    Mark, thanks for asking earlier , I am at hospital all day so no chance to reply. Wife has finally turned the corner , she has double pneumonia and was really bad till yesterday but has picked up last two days. Will be a long recovery for her but happy with that. I am still on antibiotics but getting better myself. So a lot happier then I have been this last week, which was a real stinker. Onwards and upwards, I am treating myself to a beer tonight.
    Only silver lining is I have lost all my blubber.
    Glad to hear about the good lady. You both must have been through the wringer.

    Enjoy putting some of the blubber back on. But make sure you only do it with quality fayre!
  • Alistair said:

    I see RLB is back to 5.8 tonight.

    So once again I ask. Surely RLB is too long at 5.8?

    ;)

    Potentially.
  • malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Mark, thanks for asking earlier , I am at hospital all day so no chance to reply. Wife has finally turned the corner , she has double pneumonia and was really bad till yesterday but has picked up last two days. Will be a long recovery for her but happy with that. I am still on antibiotics but getting better myself. So a lot happier then I have been this last week, which was a real stinker. Onwards and upwards, I am treating myself to a beer tonight.
    Only silver lining is I have lost all my blubber.

    Wishing you and your wife all the best Malc!
    Cheers
    And from me Malc
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842

    Alistair said:

    I see RLB is back to 5.8 tonight.

    So once again I ask. Surely RLB is too long at 5.8?

    ;)

    Potentially.
    11-2 with Boost at Laddies. Backed it for £30. Clover city :):):):)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 66,742

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Of couse it was.

    The Iranians just have to come clean on this. A tragic accident will be accepted, albeit it a very bitter additional cost to the "slap" they gave the Americans. What will not be accepted is tampering with black box. And that will just feed into the notion that the Iranians can't be trusted on their nuclear bomb programme.

    Trump has always said they can't be trusted and the EU was naive to think they would play by the rules. Tehran can't give Trump a victory with the EU on top of his successful assassination of their top military master tactition.
    Mark, thanks for asking earlier , I am at hospital all day so no chance to reply. Wife has finally turned the corner , she has double pneumonia and was really bad till yesterday but has picked up last two days. Will be a long recovery for her but happy with that. I am still on antibiotics but getting better myself. So a lot happier then I have been this last week, which was a real stinker. Onwards and upwards, I am treating myself to a beer tonight.
    Only silver lining is I have lost all my blubber.
    Glad to hear about the good lady. You both must have been through the wringer.

    Enjoy putting some of the blubber back on. But make sure you only do it with quality fayre!
    Nothing but the finest turnips...

    Hope your wife’s recovery comes on apace Malc.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    BAILEYMENTUM

    Into 4-1 with Ladbrokes.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    My bullshit detector just went off....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51053205
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    Pulpstar said:

    BAILEYMENTUM

    Into 4-1 with Ladbrokes.

    Reason:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51055663

    Surely these are now the only four candidates we are going to get for LotO?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 49,958
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Of couse it was.

    The Iranians just have to come clean on this. A tragic accident will be accepted, albeit it a very bitter additional cost to the "slap" they gave the Americans. What will not be accepted is tampering with black box. And that will just feed into the notion that the Iranians can't be trusted on their nuclear bomb programme.

    Trump has always said they can't be trusted and the EU was naive to think they would play by the rules. Tehran can't give Trump a victory with the EU on top of his successful assassination of their top military master tactition.
    Mark, thanks for asking earlier , I am at hospital all day so no chance to reply. Wife has finally turned the corner , she has double pneumonia and was really bad till yesterday but has picked up last two days. Will be a long recovery for her but happy with that. I am still on antibiotics but getting better myself. So a lot happier then I have been this last week, which was a real stinker. Onwards and upwards, I am treating myself to a beer tonight.
    Only silver lining is I have lost all my blubber.
    Delighted to read that Malcolm. I hope the improvement continues for both of you.
    thanks David, I have actually learned to operate a washing machine. I will be domesticated before this is over.
    Don't tell the wife though!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842

    Pulpstar said:

    BAILEYMENTUM

    Into 4-1 with Ladbrokes.

    Reason:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51055663

    Surely these are now the only four candidates we are going to get for LotO?
    Yes, I'm not really tempted to back Phillips though. Just can't see it with everyone I know who could be a labour member bursts out laughing when I mention her.
  • malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Of couse it was.

    The Iranians just have to come clean on this. A tragic accident will be accepted, albeit it a very bitter additional cost to the "slap" they gave the Americans. What will not be accepted is tampering with black box. And that will just feed into the notion that the Iranians can't be trusted on their nuclear bomb programme.

    Trump has always said they can't be trusted and the EU was naive to think they would play by the rules. Tehran can't give Trump a victory with the EU on top of his successful assassination of their top military master tactition.
    Mark, thanks for asking earlier , I am at hospital all day so no chance to reply. Wife has finally turned the corner , she has double pneumonia and was really bad till yesterday but has picked up last two days. Will be a long recovery for her but happy with that. I am still on antibiotics but getting better myself. So a lot happier then I have been this last week, which was a real stinker. Onwards and upwards, I am treating myself to a beer tonight.
    Only silver lining is I have lost all my blubber.
    Delighted to read that Malcolm. I hope the improvement continues for both of you.
    thanks David, I have actually learned to operate a washing machine. I will be domesticated before this is over.
    Never in a million years!
    Glad to hear things are on the up.
  • Things haven't gone completely to shite, the BBC news at least had the Tehran shooting down at the top of the news before having their 24 page spread on Dynasty.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,842
    330-231 indicates a truckload of abstentions on the Brexit bill. I assume the Gov't whips have ensured a majority then a tonne of pairing has gone on with 'spares' ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    edited January 2020
    TGOHF666 said:
    I look forward to the next time it collapses due to some unimaginably petty reason.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 58,941
    kle4 said:

    TGOHF666 said:
    I look forward to the next time it collapses due to some unimaginably petty reason.
    Wasn't this collapse over wood chips? :p
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,716
    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Of couse it was.

    The Iranians just have to come clean on this. A tragic accident will be accepted, albeit it a very bitter additional cost to the "slap" they gave the Americans. What will not be accepted is tampering with black box. And that will just feed into the notion that the Iranians can't be trusted on their nuclear bomb programme.

    Trump has always said they can't be trusted and the EU was naive to think they would play by the rules. Tehran can't give Trump a victory with the EU on top of his successful assassination of their top military master tactition.
    Mark, thanks for asking earlier , I am at hospital all day so no chance to reply. Wife has finally turned the corner , she has double pneumonia and was really bad till yesterday but has picked up last two days. Will be a long recovery for her but happy with that. I am still on antibiotics but getting better myself. So a lot happier then I have been this last week, which was a real stinker. Onwards and upwards, I am treating myself to a beer tonight.
    Only silver lining is I have lost all my blubber.
    Glad to hear about the good lady. You both must have been through the wringer.

    Enjoy putting some of the blubber back on. But make sure you only do it with quality fayre!
    Nothing but the finest turnips...

    Hope your wife’s recovery comes on apace Malc.
    Seconded. Best of. Must have been a dreadful time.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    TGOHF666 said:
    I look forward to the next time it collapses due to some unimaginably petty reason.
    Wasn't this collapse over wood chips? :p
    Well there may have been a tad more to it than that, but there certainly was not enought to mean three years of posturing from the various parties involved as they both nurse grievances then moan noone listens or understands them cos they is so super special.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,716

    Things haven't gone completely to shite, the BBC news at least had the Tehran shooting down at the top of the news before having their 24 page spread on Dynasty.

    I believe Brian once said 5hat Witchell was ‘a dreadful man’.

    Having seen the interview this evening, for once in my life I feel sympathetic to the Heir to the Throne.
  • alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100

    Things haven't gone completely to shite, the BBC news at least had the Tehran shooting down at the top of the news before having their 24 page spread on Dynasty.

    https://www.theshovel.com.au/2020/01/09/queen-announces-she-is-also-leaving-royal-family/
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    Barry.

    A star blazing across the night sky.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,603
    Just catching up with the Iran news, what a bunch of fuck ups.
  • RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    TGOHF666 said:
    I look forward to the next time it collapses due to some unimaginably petty reason.
    Wasn't this collapse over wood chips? :p
    A chip off the old H-Block?
  • Labour Party updated the website again

    Starmet up to 63
    Nandy up to 24
    Thornberry up to 9 (she hasn't nominated herself yet. So she is at 10)
    Rest unchanged

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    If Guido's composed list is correct at the moment with public declarations there's no one who backed Corbyn in 2016 supporting Starmer, Nandy, Thornberry or Phillips, and no one who did not back Corbyn in 2016 who supports Long Bailey or Lewis.

    A recipe for harmony.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,014
    Very pleased to hear Malcolm's news too.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,831
    kle4 said:

    If Guido's composed list is correct at the moment with public declarations there's no one who backed Corbyn in 2016 supporting Starmer, Nandy, Thornberry or Phillips, and no one who did not back Corbyn in 2016 who supports Long Bailey or Lewis.

    A recipe for harmony.

    Yes... I have been noticing that trend all week. Very telling.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    Nadia Whittome has nominated Lewis. I think that is interesting. Lewis seems to be partly running on a 'reach out to the Greens' ticket. Whittome is potentially one of the more interesting new MPs for 2019 GE.

  • Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    I see RLB is back to 5.8 tonight.

    So once again I ask. Surely RLB is too long at 5.8?

    ;)

    Potentially.
    11-2 with Boost at Laddies. Backed it for £30. Clover city :):):):)
    Well, boost's are usually to draw people in.
  • kle4 said:

    TGOHF666 said:
    I look forward to the next time it collapses due to some unimaginably petty reason.
    Still might not happen.
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