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GeoffM

First!

Morris_Dancer

Mr. M, coming first is nothing to be proud of.

GeoffM

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. M, coming first is nothing to be proud of.

An opinion apparently shared by MrsM. So I'm told.

Mick_Pork

Good. Who doesn't want to know what a right wing dominated website think about scotland?

*chortle*

CarlottaVance

Voted 30-40

Allister Heath doing his bit to make "shrieking Unionists" look like models of optimism:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10647228/An-independent-Scotland-risks-becoming-eurozone-mark-2.html

An independent Scotland risks becoming eurozone mark 2
The SNP is a muddled, confused blend of big state socialists, nationalists, populists and the odd genuine capitalist that will make a disastrous hash of it all

Mick_Pork

GeoffM said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. M, coming first is nothing to be proud of.

An opinion apparently shared by MrsM. So I'm told.

Extreme right wingers on PB, classy as ever.

ROFL

RobD

The chance of either side getting 90-100% is so low I wonder why it is on here!

CarlottaVance

Mick_Pork said:

Good. Who doesn't want to know what a right wing dominated website think about scotland?

*chortle*

So how did you vote Braveheart?

GeoffM

Mick_Pork said:

GeoffM said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. M, coming first is nothing to be proud of.

An opinion apparently shared by MrsM. So I'm told.

Extreme right wingers on PB, classy as ever.

ROFL

*sigh* A little light-hearted banter and you feel the need to get all chippy about it.
What a shame.

NickPalmer

RobD said:

The chance of either side getting 90-100% is so low I wonder why it is on here!

Yes, yet some have voted for it. Would any of you fancy a bet...?

RobD

Hugh said:

There's no option for 50.00 so I'm abstaining.

Incidentally, what happens if it's 50.00? Does it go to penalties?

Status quo, surely. At least based on similar eventualities in the Commons. Chance of it happening are stupendously remote though.

CarlottaVance

Hugh said:

CarlottaVance said:

Mick_Pork said:

Good. Who doesn't want to know what a right wing dominated website think about scotland?

*chortle*

So how did you vote Braveheart?

Bingo!

Ever eaten a vegetable or just deep fried mars bars! Haggis! Freedom!

You're funnier on AGW......

Mick_Pork

Hugh said:

CarlottaVance said:

Mick_Pork said:

Good. Who doesn't want to know what a right wing dominated website think about scotland?

*chortle*

So how did you vote Braveheart?

Bingo!

Ever eaten a vegetable or just deep fried mars bars! Haggis! Freedom!

Be fair. That's Gordon Brown's new spinner you're talking about. She trusts every word Gordon says without question.

Morris_Dancer

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

RobD

Yougov should do a daily referendum poll. That'd keep us entertained.......... ;-)

CarlottaVance

Mick_Pork said:

Hugh said:

CarlottaVance said:

Mick_Pork said:

Good. Who doesn't want to know what a right wing dominated website think about scotland?

*chortle*

So how did you vote Braveheart?

Bingo!

Ever eaten a vegetable or just deep fried mars bars! Haggis! Freedom!

Be fair. That's Gordon Brown's new spinner you're talking about. She trusts every word Gordon says without question.

deluded as ever.....when have I mentioned Brown?

Mick_Pork

CarlottaVance said:

Hugh said:

CarlottaVance said:

Mick_Pork said:

Good. Who doesn't want to know what a right wing dominated website think about scotland?

*chortle*

So how did you vote Braveheart?

Bingo!

Ever eaten a vegetable or just deep fried mars bars! Haggis! Freedom!

You're funnier on AGW......

Nowhere near as funny as the incompetent fop though.

Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFpMUv_Jqy8

NickPalmer

Ukraine news sounds pretty serious:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/18/ukraine-police-storm-kiev-protest-camp-live-updates

Sunil_Prasannan

I voted for "30-40%".

RobD

Mick_Pork said:

Be fair. That's Gordon Brown's new spinner you're talking about. She trusts every word Gordon says without question.

Worth posting this, given how under the radar he has been lately:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/zinar7/GordonsAlive.jpg

...... I'll get my coat

CarlottaVance

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Its delicious! I feed it to my Sydney relations every time I visit - who enjoy it, as long as you don't dwell on how it's made....

MonikerDiCanio

Why secessionists and nationalists must be stopped;
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/bf93a536-988a-11e3-8503-00144feab7de.html#axzz2thn6ftHi

GeoffM

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Yes, and I rather like it.
However the prospect of yet another Scottish thread sends me back to commenting over on ARRSE and Breitbart. Laters.

CarlottaVance

Hugh said:

RobD said:

Hugh said:

There's no option for 50.00 so I'm abstaining.

Incidentally, what happens if it's 50.00? Does it go to penalties?

Status quo, surely. At least based on similar eventualities in the Commons. Chance of it happening are stupendously remote though.

Imagine, though, if Yes won by 1 (one) vote. One bloke decided the entire future of the UK for generations by deciding it'd stopped raining so he'd have a wander, see what this vote thing is about, maybe nip for a pint, after Pointless has finished.

That's rather how FPTP works...

Of course I suspect there would be disputes about spoiled ballot papers...

JosiasJessop

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Frequently, and the veggie version when I have to share with Mrs J. Like most foods, it depends on the quality of the source material and how confidently it's been cooked. At best, they are scrumptious. At worst ...

I recommend ones made from Lewis Haggis, which tend to be leaner as they run faster, on account of their legs being the same length. If going for a Highland Haggis, the meat on the left-hand side tends to be better.

I actually think a Scottish breakfast is better than an English one, especially when served with haggis, tattie scones and/or white pudding.

Yum! It's almost enough to get me to say "sod work!" and catch the next train to Edinburgh.

CarlottaVance

How sweet!

We've got 5 50-60s and 1 60-70.

I wonder who they could be?

And why they have not posted their vote?

A shy Mr Pork?

Surely not?

saddened

Yes, 30 - 40, if the weathers nice.

RobD

Do we know particulars of when the vote is to be counted and results announced? Surely we aren't going to have to wait until the following day to find out something so monumental.

JohnLoony

"Indyref"? Do you mean "Scotland's Referendum on Independence"?
If you want to conduct a poll which even remotely pretends to be anything like an opinion poll, at least ask a proper question.

saddened

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

Mick_Pork

@Brown's Spinner Carlotta

Why on earth would I care what the extreme right wingers and PB shriekers think on this issue? The idea that they are in touch with scottish public opinion is vastly amusing but obviously their views are of no consequence whatsoever and not representative of anything other than the right wing dominance of PB.

Carnyx

o/t - @JosiasJessop, have posted a reply re Brunelian geology on the previous thread.

nigel4england

SeanT said:

Hugh said:

Is it OK to say that a Big Champions League game is crap?

Or do you, by law, have to say that it's a fascinating tactical chess match between two technical absorbing contest blurgh blah?

At least this proves you are not tim. He would be raving about Barcelona's amazing possessive skill, and the inherent inferiority of English footie, blah de blah.

This is just dull. Barca are dull. Tiki taka tiki taka MEH.

I absolutely loathe Barcelona, as cynical as they come and refs treat their players as a protected species.

Carnyx

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Ave_it

60%-70%? LOL

DavidL

I guessed earlier today 56:44 no. I will stick with that.

Ave_it

I am going to Glasgow for the Commonwealth Games and will inform the locals of the benefits of the Union!

Although it would save me £10,000pa in tax (est) if we kicked them out!

Andy_JS

"At least four people have been killed and dozens injured in violence that erupted as Thai police began clearing protest sites in the capital, Bangkok."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26224510

MonikerDiCanio

SeanT said:

It would be interesting to hear from any Nats who are willing to admit they predict a defeat for Yes.

We have several Unionists who are willing to predict a defeat, or the possibility thereof, for No.

Nats who *expect* to win are somewhat less interesting, tbh.

Nats follow the Führerprinzip. The absolute absence of criticism has led to this week's terminal errors.

JohnLoony

SeanT said:

I have invented a new PB rule: take your emotionally desired result, then add 10 points to the opposition and take 10 points from your own side.

As a unionist I'd like to see Salmond crushed, so - within the realms of electoral and political possibility and likelihood - my desired outcome is 66 NO, 34 YES.

Applying the (patent pending) Official SeanT Head Over Heart Adjuster (aka the OSHOHA), that equates to 56 No, 44 YES. And that is what I predict.

If the OSHOHA had been around during the AV referendum it might have prevented some of our Lib Dem friends from making tits of themselves.

Not sure what adjustment I should make. I am (theoretically) a unionist, because I think of "The United Kingdom" (not "Britain" or "England", although I am in fact British and English as well) as my country, but I don't feel any emotional connection with the result of the referendum. It's up to the people of Scotland to decide whether they want to stay, and I wouldn't want to force them to stay in if they don't want to. I could easily carry on being a patriot of the UKoEWaNI just as much as I am now a patriot of the UKoGBaNI.

One of my frustrations is that the UK doesn't actually have its own name (it's just a list of its two principal ingredients) and I sometimes think it would be fun to have some sort of competition to adopt a proper name for the United Kingdom - such as Ukogbani, or Britannia.

NickPalmer

SeanT said:

I have invented a new PB rule: take your emotionally desired result, then add 10 points to the opposition and take 10 points from your own side.

As a unionist I'd like to see Salmond crushed, so - within the realms of electoral and political possibility and likelihood - my desired outcome is 66 NO, 34 YES.

Applying the (patent pending) Official SeanT Head Over Heart Adjuster (aka the OSHOHA), that equates to 56 No, 44 YES. And that is what I predict.

If the OSHOHA had been around during the AV referendum it might have prevented some of our Lib Dem friends from making tits of themselves.

Excellent. Next GE result:
Labour 90%, LibDems 10%, Con 0%, UKIP 0%.
Thank you for your assistance, comrade.

Stuart_Dickson

SeanT said:

It would be interesting to hear from any Nats who are willing to admit they predict a defeat for Yes.

We have several Unionists who are willing to predict a defeat, or the possibility thereof, for No.

Nats who *expect* to win are somewhat less interesting, tbh.

I do not know who is going to win. The Yes vote will be greater then 40% and less than 60%
Within that range it is anybody's guess. However, you'd be wise to ignore commenters with negligible knowledge and experience of Scottish society, culture and civic life. Which is about 95% of PBers.

foxinsoxuk

Yes on 43%.

Waitrose do McSweens Haggis in both orthodox and vegetarian form. Both are palatable though the vegetarian version tastes like stuffing. Best served with mash and mashed swede, but also with a nice piece of aberdeen angus.

Some hae meat but canna eat...

foxinsoxuk

It all sounds a bit too Soviet...

NickPalmer said:

SeanT said:

I have invented a new PB rule: take your emotionally desired result, then add 10 points to the opposition and take 10 points from your own side.

As a unionist I'd like to see Salmond crushed, so - within the realms of electoral and political possibility and likelihood - my desired outcome is 66 NO, 34 YES.

Applying the (patent pending) Official SeanT Head Over Heart Adjuster (aka the OSHOHA), that equates to 56 No, 44 YES. And that is what I predict.

If the OSHOHA had been around during the AV referendum it might have prevented some of our Lib Dem friends from making tits of themselves.

Excellent. Next GE result:
Labour 90%, LibDems 10%, Con 0%, UKIP 0%.
Thank you for your assistance, comrade.

DavidL

Stuart_Dickson said:

SeanT said:

It would be interesting to hear from any Nats who are willing to admit they predict a defeat for Yes.

We have several Unionists who are willing to predict a defeat, or the possibility thereof, for No.

Nats who *expect* to win are somewhat less interesting, tbh.

I do not know who is going to win. The Yes vote will be greater then 40% and less than 60%
Within that range it is anybody's guess. However, you'd be wise to ignore commenters with negligible knowledge and experience of Scottish society, culture and civic life. Which is about 95% of PBers.

I agree with that range Stuart. I still think this is going to be close although no have the pole position at the moment. There is a chance that the wheels might come off yes after this week but I don't see it. There are too many people for whom this is the campaign of their lives and for whom the arguments don't matter a damn.

AndyJS

SeanT said:

I have invented a new PB rule: take your emotionally desired result, then add 10 points to the opposition and take 10 points from your own side.

As a unionist I'd like to see Salmond crushed, so - within the realms of electoral and political possibility and likelihood - my desired outcome is 66 NO, 34 YES.

Applying the (patent pending) Official SeanT Head Over Heart Adjuster (aka the OSHOHA), that equates to 56 No, 44 YES. And that is what I predict.

If the OSHOHA had been around during the AV referendum it might have prevented some of our Lib Dem friends from making tits of themselves.

Yes I realised a few years ago it's almost impossible to make impartial predictions. The only way to get round the problem is to scrap the first few efforts, because they always reflect one's prejudices no matter how hard you try, and do it again once you've got what you'd secretly like to happen out of your system.

Carnyx

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

Balance hell - it's great stuff (though I prefer it from the Jurassic abd Cretaceous belts such as Hook Norton, Morlands, and Greene King (the Permo-Trias from Burton gives me a headache - must be the sulphate in the deep well water). And I do like morris dancing as a background to getting outside some ale.

JosiasJessop

Carnyx said:

o/t - @JosiasJessop, have posted a reply re Brunelian geology on the previous thread.

And I've responded in turn, and also mentioned Brunelian wood (ooh-er). ;-)

DavidL

Last had haggis on Saturday . Excellent despite being microwaved

This is a really dull ... Oh.

Sunil_Prasannan

Ooooopps. City will lose now....

Stuart_Dickson

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

I'm a fan of several English things, including ale, sausages and fine bone china. But Tory public school twits (copyright J Bercow) do rather take the shine off that nation's brand.

Barnesian

I voted 50-60% Yes to staying in the UK but I seem to be in a small minority!

nigel4england

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Ooooopps. City will lose now....

My Demechilis to be carded bet never in doubt!

foxinsoxuk

As the Eurozone recovers and there are no major accessions I expect that europhobia will ebb away again. There seems little enthusiasm on the continent for closer union, and as the eurocrises fades, the euro will become stronger. Inflating away debt and depreciaging a currency are only short term positives, the financial.security of a stable currency is better in the long run.

SeanT said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

SeanT said:

It would be interesting to hear from any Nats who are willing to admit they predict a defeat for Yes.

We have several Unionists who are willing to predict a defeat, or the possibility thereof, for No.

Nats who *expect* to win are somewhat less interesting, tbh.

I do not know who is going to win. The Yes vote will be greater then 40% and less than 60%
Within that range it is anybody's guess. However, you'd be wise to ignore commenters with negligible knowledge and experience of Scottish society, culture and civic life. Which is about 95% of PBers.

You are one of the more sensible Nats. I suspect that, deep down, you expect defeat, though I know it is difficult for you to admit, perhaps even to yourself.


I do empathise. I can remember when I was such a passionate eurosceptic I would have swooned at the idea of a referendum on membership, and I would have been emotionally incapable of admitting that it was likely to be lost. And yet I believe, now, with the wisdom of cynical middle age, that any referendum on EU membership would have been won by the europhiles at any point in the last 30 years.

The irony is that the europhiles didn't seize their chance and go for it. Because things really ARE changing.

Put it this way, although I am much less emotionally invested in euroscepticism, I can now envisage the real possibility, even probability, that the Brits will vote to quit, in the next decade or so, if and when they are given the chance.

AndyJS

The result of the first referendum in Quebec in 1980 was 40/60. For some reason I have a hunch the Scottish result will be very similar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_referendum,_1980

JonnyJimmy

Who wants to see McPiglet chortling out of the other side of his snout, whatever result they'd prefer in the Indy ref?

Theuniondivvie

NickPalmer said:

Ukraine news sounds pretty serious:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/18/ukraine-police-storm-kiev-protest-camp-live-updates

If only Barroso would say EU entry for Ukraine is difficult to impossible...

Stuart_Dickson

SeanT said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

SeanT said:

It would be interesting to hear from any Nats who are willing to admit they predict a defeat for Yes.

We have several Unionists who are willing to predict a defeat, or the possibility thereof, for No.

Nats who *expect* to win are somewhat less interesting, tbh.

I do not know who is going to win. The Yes vote will be greater then 40% and less than 60%
Within that range it is anybody's guess. However, you'd be wise to ignore commenters with negligible knowledge and experience of Scottish society, culture and civic life. Which is about 95% of PBers.

You are one of the more sensible Nats. I suspect that, deep down, you expect defeat, though I know it is difficult for you to admit, perhaps even to yourself.


I do empathise. I can remember when I was such a passionate eurosceptic I would have swooned at the idea of a referendum on membership, and I would have been emotionally incapable of admitting that it was likely to be lost. And yet I believe, now, with the wisdom of cynical middle age, that any referendum on EU membership would have been won by the europhiles at any point in the last 30 years.

The irony is that the europhiles didn't seize their chance and go for it. Because things really ARE changing.

Put it this way, although I am much less emotionally invested in euroscepticism, I can now envisage the real possibility, even probability, that the Brits will vote to quit, in the next decade or so, if and when they are given the chance.

Timing is critical in politics. Eg. Blair had a 2 month window when he could have taken the uk into the euro.

Autumn 2014 is Scotland's best window. It is probably our only one until the 2050s, by which time there will be bugger all left of our once proud nation to save

Alanbrooke

Stuart_Dickson said:

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

I'm a fan of several English things, including ale, sausages and fine bone china. But Tory public school twits (copyright J Bercow) do rather take the shine off that nation's brand.

So you judge a nation on about 2% of the population ? It's like saying Rab C Nesbitt represents Scotland.

Mick_Pork

The out of touch posh lad who thinks No to AV is a model for No to Independence to employ clearly has the memory of a goldfish.


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/article6577894.ece/ALTERNATES/w460/No+to+AV+campaign+poster.jpg

http://dailyelection.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/say-no-to-president-clegg-poster-no-to-av.jpg

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2011/2/4/1296858816865/Get-Clegg-007.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5096/5543559787_5af14279c5_m.jpg


Just who is it that will be able to use Clegg, Cammie, Osborne, Ed Balls, as weapons this time around? Certainly not No.

MonikerDiCanio

Alanbrooke said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

I'm a fan of several English things, including ale, sausages and fine bone china. But Tory public school twits (copyright J Bercow) do rather take the shine off that nation's brand.

So you judge a nation on about 2% of the population ? It's like saying Rab C Nesbitt represents Scotland.

Dickson is a public school boy. He's coy about which he attended.

Carnyx

JosiasJessop said:

Carnyx said:

o/t - @JosiasJessop, have posted a reply re Brunelian geology on the previous thread.

And I've responded in turn, and also mentioned Brunelian wood (ooh-er). ;-)

Ditto re timber and waggonways. Makes a change having a Scottish theme we can all agree on!

AndyJS

Liberals fall from first to third place in Niagara Falls by-election for Ontario state legislature:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara_Falls_(provincial_electoral_district)#Election_results

Carnyx

Alanbrooke said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

I'm a fan of several English things, including ale, sausages and fine bone china. But Tory public school twits (copyright J Bercow) do rather take the shine off that nation's brand.

So you judge a nation on about 2% of the population ? It's like saying Rab C Nesbitt represents Scotland.

To hear some people you'd think they thought so. But it must never be forgotten that he is just as Scottish as the laird in his shooting lodge, or the Morningside lawyer. That's what makes the result so difficult. I put 60-70 (but before I read the 10% rule).

Fascinating that many people think there is going to be a bigger vote for indy* than elects the average UK prime minister, too.

*admittedly, whether it wins or not

Theuniondivvie

Alanbrooke said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

I'm a fan of several English things, including ale, sausages and fine bone china. But Tory public school twits (copyright J Bercow) do rather take the shine off that nation's brand.

So you judge a nation on about 2% of the population ? It's like saying Rab C Nesbitt represents Scotland.

Outside a Daily Mail article, Rab C.s don't form Scotland's governing elite. Not now SLAB's heading for the plughole anyway.

Carnyx

Stuart_Dickson said:

SeanT said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

SeanT said:

It would be interesting to hear from any Nats who are willing to admit they predict a defeat for Yes.

We have several Unionists who are willing to predict a defeat, or the possibility thereof, for No.

Nats who *expect* to win are somewhat less interesting, tbh.

I do not know who is going to win. The Yes vote will be greater then 40% and less than 60%
Within that range it is anybody's guess. However, you'd be wise to ignore commenters with negligible knowledge and experience of Scottish society, culture and civic life. Which is about 95% of PBers.

You are one of the more sensible Nats. I suspect that, deep down, you expect defeat, though I know it is difficult for you to admit, perhaps even to yourself.


I do empathise. I can remember when I was such a passionate eurosceptic I would have swooned at the idea of a referendum on membership, and I would have been emotionally incapable of admitting that it was likely to be lost. And yet I believe, now, with the wisdom of cynical middle age, that any referendum on EU membership would have been won by the europhiles at any point in the last 30 years.

The irony is that the europhiles didn't seize their chance and go for it. Because things really ARE changing.

Put it this way, although I am much less emotionally invested in euroscepticism, I can now envisage the real possibility, even probability, that the Brits will vote to quit, in the next decade or so, if and when they are given the chance.

Timing is critical in politics. Eg. Blair had a 2 month window when he could have taken the uk into the euro.

Autumn 2014 is Scotland's best window. It is probably our only one until the 2050s, by which time there will be bugger all left of our once proud nation to save

I'm convinced that Mr Cameron also had a window a year back, in January 2013, when he could have won the indy referendum hands down by offering devomax with full fiscal autonomy. But he didn't.

Mick_Pork

Stuart_Dickson said:

Timing is critical in politics.

Indeed. One gullible posh lad seemed to think Cammie's Veto Flounce and his Cast Iron IN/OUT referendum pledge would see the tories to victory. Just how foolish does that look now with the kippers still nowhere near their 2010 3.1% level.

MonikerDiCanio

Theuniondivvie said:

Alanbrooke said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

I'm a fan of several English things, including ale, sausages and fine bone china. But Tory public school twits (copyright J Bercow) do rather take the shine off that nation's brand.

So you judge a nation on about 2% of the population ? It's like saying Rab C Nesbitt represents Scotland.

Outside a Daily Mail article, Rab C.s don't form Scotland's governing elite. Not now SLAB's heading for the plughole anyway.

Untrue.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/535592.stm

Ave_it

Mick - I say 30% to 40% yes! Do you agree with my poll?!

Alanbrooke

Theuniondivvie said:

Alanbrooke said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

I'm a fan of several English things, including ale, sausages and fine bone china. But Tory public school twits (copyright J Bercow) do rather take the shine off that nation's brand.

So you judge a nation on about 2% of the population ? It's like saying Rab C Nesbitt represents Scotland.

Outside a Daily Mail article, Rab C.s don't form Scotland's governing elite. Not now SLAB's heading for the plughole anyway.

Stupid comment divvie much like SDs irrational latching on to english public schools. You don't judge a whole nation on a subset no matter how colourful and as I have posted before it's not the school it's the University. Parents choose schools young adults choose their Uni.

Stuart_Dickson

Carnyx said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

SeanT said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

SeanT said:

It would be interesting to hear from any Nats who are willing to admit they predict a defeat for Yes.

We have several Unionists who are willing to predict a defeat, or the possibility thereof, for No.

Nats who *expect* to win are somewhat less interesting, tbh.

I do not know who is going to win. The Yes vote will be greater then 40% and less than 60%
Within that range it is anybody's guess. However, you'd be wise to ignore commenters with negligible knowledge and experience of Scottish society, culture and civic life. Which is about 95% of PBers.

You are one of the more sensible Nats. I suspect that, deep down, you expect defeat, though I know it is difficult for you to admit, perhaps even to yourself.


I do empathise. I can remember when I was such a passionate eurosceptic I would have swooned at the idea of a referendum on membership, and I would have been emotionally incapable of admitting that it was likely to be lost. And yet I believe, now, with the wisdom of cynical middle age, that any referendum on EU membership would have been won by the europhiles at any point in the last 30 years.

The irony is that the europhiles didn't seize their chance and go for it. Because things really ARE changing.

Put it this way, although I am much less emotionally invested in euroscepticism, I can now envisage the real possibility, even probability, that the Brits will vote to quit, in the next decade or so, if and when they are given the chance.

Timing is critical in politics. Eg. Blair had a 2 month window when he could have taken the uk into the euro.

Autumn 2014 is Scotland's best window. It is probably our only one until the 2050s, by which time there will be bugger all left of our once proud nation to save

I'm convinced that Mr Cameron also had a window a year back, in January 2013, when he could have won the indy referendum hands down by offering devomax with full fiscal autonomy. But he didn't.

True. Cameron's devomax goof-up was a turning point.

Ave_it

I hope posters aren't getting overheated with each other!

You know the moderators don't like it!

Mick_Pork

SeanT said:

You are, in short, a bore.

*chortle*

Calm down posh lad. You're foaming at the mouth again. I ask you, would Gildas post furiously on one subject monomaniacally just because he was made to look a fool?

How's your eduction on sex trafficking going at the hands of Louise Mensch BTW?
You seemed to get quite a pasting as I recall.

Here's some more education to keep you busy.

Luke Martin ‏@martintandc

Great to see anti-trafficking/sex tourism stickers whilst travelling around Thailand #realmendontbuygirls #changmai pic.twitter.com/ZfaDTZoMyV

TheLastBoyScout

NickPalmer said:

SeanT said:

I have invented a new PB rule: take your emotionally desired result, then add 10 points to the opposition and take 10 points from your own side.

As a unionist I'd like to see Salmond crushed, so - within the realms of electoral and political possibility and likelihood - my desired outcome is 66 NO, 34 YES.

Applying the (patent pending) Official SeanT Head Over Heart Adjuster (aka the OSHOHA), that equates to 56 No, 44 YES. And that is what I predict.

If the OSHOHA had been around during the AV referendum it might have prevented some of our Lib Dem friends from making tits of themselves.

Excellent. Next GE result:
Labour 90%, LibDems 10%, Con 0%, UKIP 0%.
Thank you for your assistance, comrade.

Even in your wildest dreams the Conservatives couldn't manage -10% Nick

Alanbrooke

Carnyx said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

SeanT said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

SeanT said:

It would be interesting to hear from any Nats who are willing to admit they predict a defeat for Yes.

We have several Unionists who are willing to predict a defeat, or the possibility thereof, for No.

Nats who *expect* to win are somewhat less interesting, tbh.

I do not know who is going to win. The Yes vote will be greater then 40% and less than 60%
Within that range it is anybody's guess. However, you'd be wise to ignore commenters with negligible knowledge and experience of Scottish society, culture and civic life. Which is about 95% of PBers.

You are one of the more sensible Nats. I suspect that, deep down, you expect defeat, though I know it is difficult for you to admit, perhaps even to yourself.


I do empathise. I can remember when I was such a passionate eurosceptic I would have swooned at the idea of a referendum on membership, and I would have been emotionally incapable of admitting that it was likely to be lost. And yet I believe, now, with the wisdom of cynical middle age, that any referendum on EU membership would have been won by the europhiles at any point in the last 30 years.

The irony is that the europhiles didn't seize their chance and go for it. Because things really ARE changing.

Put it this way, although I am much less emotionally invested in euroscepticism, I can now envisage the real possibility, even probability, that the Brits will vote to quit, in the next decade or so, if and when they are given the chance.

Timing is critical in politics. Eg. Blair had a 2 month window when he could have taken the uk into the euro.

Autumn 2014 is Scotland's best window. It is probably our only one until the 2050s, by which time there will be bugger all left of our once proud nation to save

I'm convinced that Mr Cameron also had a window a year back, in January 2013, when he could have won the indy referendum hands down by offering devomax with full fiscal autonomy. But he didn't.

cart before the horse. A devo max ref would carry and then the nats just bank it and carry on as normal demanding Indy. Have the issue out and if No wins devo max will still carry but with the Nats platform damaged.

The lost opportunity for unionists was in 2007 administration when they would have carried the Indy ref much easier.

Stuart_Dickson

MonikerDiCanio said:

Alanbrooke said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

I'm a fan of several English things, including ale, sausages and fine bone china. But Tory public school twits (copyright J Bercow) do rather take the shine off that nation's brand.

So you judge a nation on about 2% of the population ? It's like saying Rab C Nesbitt represents Scotland.

Dickson is a public school boy. He's coy about which he attended.

Yet another fib from the fibber.

AlastairMeeks

I agree with JackW.

Theuniondivvie

Alanbrooke said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Alanbrooke said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

I'm a fan of several English things, including ale, sausages and fine bone china. But Tory public school twits (copyright J Bercow) do rather take the shine off that nation's brand.

So you judge a nation on about 2% of the population ? It's like saying Rab C Nesbitt represents Scotland.

Outside a Daily Mail article, Rab C.s don't form Scotland's governing elite. Not now SLAB's heading for the plughole anyway.

Stupid comment divvie much like SDs irrational latching on to english public schools. You don't judge a whole nation on a subset no matter how colourful and as I have posted before it's not the school it's the University. Parents choose schools young adults choose their Uni.

Do you think successful Oxbridge entrants are proportional to the number of public school pupils in the English education system?

Theuniondivvie

MonikerDiCanio said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Alanbrooke said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

I'm a fan of several English things, including ale, sausages and fine bone china. But Tory public school twits (copyright J Bercow) do rather take the shine off that nation's brand.

So you judge a nation on about 2% of the population ? It's like saying Rab C Nesbitt represents Scotland.

Outside a Daily Mail article, Rab C.s don't form Scotland's governing elite. Not now SLAB's heading for the plughole anyway.

Untrue.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/535592.stm

1999 eh?
That's so, like, 20th century.

Alanbrooke

Theuniondivvie said:

Alanbrooke said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Alanbrooke said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

I'm a fan of several English things, including ale, sausages and fine bone china. But Tory public school twits (copyright J Bercow) do rather take the shine off that nation's brand.

So you judge a nation on about 2% of the population ? It's like saying Rab C Nesbitt represents Scotland.

Outside a Daily Mail article, Rab C.s don't form Scotland's governing elite. Not now SLAB's heading for the plughole anyway.

Stupid comment divvie much like SDs irrational latching on to english public schools. You don't judge a whole nation on a subset no matter how colourful and as I have posted before it's not the school it's the University. Parents choose schools young adults choose their Uni.

Do you think successful Oxbridge entrants are proportional to the number of public school pupils in the English education system?

Do you think public schools have a monopoly over Oxbridge?

Do you think nobody in scottish public life has ever been to a public school ?

Sunil_Prasannan

2-0
City dead and buried

DavidL

They think it is all over ....

NickPalmer

AndyJS said:

Liberals fall from first to third place in Niagara Falls by-election for Ontario state legislature:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara_Falls_(provincial_electoral_district)#Election_results

Striking - any special reason? When I last looked the Liberals were doing really well, but it looks like a 3-horse race again without counting the latest result:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42nd_Canadian_federal_election

Mick_Pork

Hugh said:

Must say, some splendid footy punditry from SeanT earlier, as the "EPL" richest team plods around chasing Barca like the Dog and Duck XI after 3 pints of Greene King watching some Morris Dancing.

He was wetting himself with excitement at the Veto Flounce and Cammie's Cast Iron IN/OUT referendum though he seems to be having great difficulty recalling that. Gullible and posh is not a good combination to base predictions on.

Mick_Pork

SeanT said:

Mick_Pork said:

SeanT said:

You are, in short, a bore.

*chortle*

Calm down posh lad. You're foaming at the mouth again. I ask you, would Gildas post furiously on one subject monomaniacally just because he was made to look a fool?

How's your eduction on sex trafficking going at the hands of Louise Mensch BTW?
You seemed to get quite a pasting as I recall.

Here's some more education to keep you busy.

Luke Martin ‏@martintandc

Great to see anti-trafficking/sex tourism stickers whilst travelling around Thailand #realmendontbuygirls #changmai pic.twitter.com/ZfaDTZoMyV

As I said, you are a repetitive bore.

An excoriating assessment coming as it does from an out of touch posh buffoon like yourself.

PBModerator

Please DON'T accuse other posters of being incarnations of previous posters!

Theuniondivvie

Alanbrooke said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Alanbrooke said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Alanbrooke said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

I'm a fan of several English things, including ale, sausages and fine bone china. But Tory public school twits (copyright J Bercow) do rather take the shine off that nation's brand.

So you judge a nation on about 2% of the population ? It's like saying Rab C Nesbitt represents Scotland.

Outside a Daily Mail article, Rab C.s don't form Scotland's governing elite. Not now SLAB's heading for the plughole anyway.

Stupid comment divvie much like SDs irrational latching on to english public schools. You don't judge a whole nation on a subset no matter how colourful and as I have posted before it's not the school it's the University. Parents choose schools young adults choose their Uni.

Do you think successful Oxbridge entrants are proportional to the number of public school pupils in the English education system?

Do you think public schools have a monopoly over Oxbridge?

Do you think nobody in scottish public life has ever been to a public school ?

Another Brookie diversion. Who said anything about a monopoly?

Those public school attendees in Scottish public life are in the minority, particularly in government.

JonnyJimmy

Theuniondivvie said:

Alanbrooke said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Alanbrooke said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

I'm a fan of several English things, including ale, sausages and fine bone china. But Tory public school twits (copyright J Bercow) do rather take the shine off that nation's brand.

So you judge a nation on about 2% of the population ? It's like saying Rab C Nesbitt represents Scotland.

Outside a Daily Mail article, Rab C.s don't form Scotland's governing elite. Not now SLAB's heading for the plughole anyway.

Stupid comment divvie much like SDs irrational latching on to english public schools. You don't judge a whole nation on a subset no matter how colourful and as I have posted before it's not the school it's the University. Parents choose schools young adults choose their Uni.

Do you think successful Oxbridge entrants are proportional to the number of public school pupils in the English education system?

I know that the successful Oxbridge entrants from public schools are less than the proportion of public school applicants. I used this fact to my advantage.

MonikerDiCanio

Stuart_Dickson said:

MonikerDiCanio said:

Alanbrooke said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

I'm a fan of several English things, including ale, sausages and fine bone china. But Tory public school twits (copyright J Bercow) do rather take the shine off that nation's brand.

So you judge a nation on about 2% of the population ? It's like saying Rab C Nesbitt represents Scotland.

Dickson is a public school boy. He's coy about which he attended.

Yet another fib from the fibber.

Are you talking to yourself ?

Carola

Building rate in China (BBC2). Blimey.

Stuart_Dickson

Alanbrooke said:

Carnyx said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

SeanT said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

SeanT said:

It would be interesting to hear from any Nats who are willing to admit they predict a defeat for Yes.

We have several Unionists who are willing to predict a defeat, or the possibility thereof, for No.

Nats who *expect* to win are somewhat less interesting, tbh.

I do not know who is going to win. The Yes vote will be greater then 40% and less than 60%
Within that range it is anybody's guess. However, you'd be wise to ignore commenters with negligible knowledge and experience of Scottish society, culture and civic life. Which is about 95% of PBers.

You are one of the more sensible Nats. I suspect that, deep down, you expect defeat, though I know it is difficult for you to admit, perhaps even to yourself.


I do empathise. I can remember when I was such a passionate eurosceptic I would have swooned at the idea of a referendum on membership, and I would have been emotionally incapable of admitting that it was likely to be lost. And yet I believe, now, with the wisdom of cynical middle age, that any referendum on EU membership would have been won by the europhiles at any point in the last 30 years.

The irony is that the europhiles didn't seize their chance and go for it. Because things really ARE changing.

Put it this way, although I am much less emotionally invested in euroscepticism, I can now envisage the real possibility, even probability, that the Brits will vote to quit, in the next decade or so, if and when they are given the chance.

Timing is critical in politics. Eg. Blair had a 2 month window when he could have taken the uk into the euro.

Autumn 2014 is Scotland's best window. It is probably our only one until the 2050s, by which time there will be bugger all left of our once proud nation to save

I'm convinced that Mr Cameron also had a window a year back, in January 2013, when he could have won the indy referendum hands down by offering devomax with full fiscal autonomy. But he didn't.

cart before the horse. A devo max ref would carry and then the nats just bank it and carry on as normal demanding Indy. Have the issue out and if No wins devo max will still carry but with the Nats platform damaged.

The lost opportunity for unionists was in 2007 administration when they would have carried the Indy ref much easier.

Wendy was right. Thank goodness Brown lacked her balls.

Stark_Dawning

Hugh said:

Mick_Pork said:

Hugh said:

Must say, some splendid footy punditry from SeanT earlier, as the "EPL" richest team plods around chasing Barca like the Dog and Duck XI after 3 pints of Greene King watching some Morris Dancing.

He was wetting himself with excitement at the Veto Flounce and Cammie's Cast Iron IN/OUT referendum though he seems to be having great difficulty recalling that. Gullible and posh is not a good combination to base predictions on.

Nothing wrong with being posh, as long as you're easy in your own skin.

It don't get why people like David Cameron and SeanT are so uncomfortable with their own poshness.

Rubbish! SeanT's family were so poor that when his dad's book became a best seller the only thing they had to celebrate with was a bottle of cooking sherry. (I'm sure Sean will confirm this is not a literary legend.)

Theuniondivvie

JonnyJimmy said:

I know that the successful Oxbridge entrants from public schools are less than the proportion of public school applicants. I used this fact to my advantage.

Yeah, but that doesn't really contradict the view that there's a disproportionate amount of public school entrants to Oxbridge. AB mentioned 2% of population who've attended public school (no idea if that's accurate); I'm still guessing that's a lot lower than successful p.s. Oxbridge entrants.

AndyJS

NickPalmer said:

AndyJS said:

Liberals fall from first to third place in Niagara Falls by-election for Ontario state legislature:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara_Falls_(provincial_electoral_district)#Election_results

Striking - any special reason? When I last looked the Liberals were doing really well, but it looks like a 3-horse race again without counting the latest result:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42nd_Canadian_federal_election

From this report it sounds like it's simply the fact they've been in power for ten years:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/02/14/humiliating-byelection-results-puts-kathleen-wynne-in-tough-spot-ahead-of-expected-spring-election/

TheLastBoyScout

SeanT said:

Hugh said:

SeanT said:

Hugh said:

Must say, some splendid footy punditry from SeanT earlier, as the "EPL" richest team plods around chasing Barca like the Dog and Duck XI after 3 pints of Greene King watching some Morris Dancing.

Ah, so you ARE tim. My hope was to smoke you out. You couldn't resist, could you?

Arf.

No I'm not.

I need to make that very clear, again, because I know (from reading posts here) that Tim has a) outstanding bets and b) an impeccable reputation on betting.

It is nominally at least a betting site after all.

I rest my case, m'Lud.

Are you missing Tim? I thought you and he were the same bloke until last night!

Alanbrooke

Theuniondivvie said:

Alanbrooke said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Alanbrooke said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Alanbrooke said:

Stuart_Dickson said:

Hugh said:

Carnyx said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

saddened said:

Morris_Dancer said:

On haggis: has anyone actually eaten it? Is it tasty?

Like most things, good ones are excellent, bad ones are beyond dire.

And with that, I'll leave you all to osbrowne, turnip, tears of laughter, titters etc.

It is perhaps overlooked that haggis - whether lamb or vegetarian - is best eaten with mashed potato and mashed neeps [anglice, swedes]. Which is somehow relevant.

Urgh no, not for me. Chips and peas for me.

Whilst we're at it, deep fried mars bars (I know I know) are mind-bogglingly nice.

Morris dancing and Tories are shit, but English ale is great (just for a bit of stereotyping balance, like).

I'm a fan of several English things, including ale, sausages and fine bone china. But Tory public school twits (copyright J Bercow) do rather take the shine off that nation's brand.

So you judge a nation on about 2% of the population ? It's like saying Rab C Nesbitt represents Scotland.

Outside a Daily Mail article, Rab C.s don't form Scotland's governing elite. Not now SLAB's heading for the plughole anyway.

Stupid comment divvie much like SDs irrational latching on to english public schools. You don't judge a whole nation on a subset no matter how colourful and as I have posted before it's not the school it's the University. Parents choose schools young adults choose their Uni.

Do you think successful Oxbridge entrants are proportional to the number of public school pupils in the English education system?

Do you think public schools have a monopoly over Oxbridge?

Do you think nobody in scottish public life has ever been to a public school ?

Another Brookie diversion. Who said anything about a monopoly?

Those public school attendees in Scottish public life are in the minority, particularly in government.

usual naive nonsense divvie. They are underrepresented because they pack their bags and head to westminster, cut off that option and they stay in Scotland so you get Darling or Gove as well as Fergus Ewing. Elites look after themselves and if the Westminster road is cut off then they stay at home and organise things to suit themselves.

Edin_Rokz

Welcome to Fantasy Scotland, where the cybernats view the world via Salmond's navel ( I leave it to you to work out how they do that, not a picture I personally wish to contemplate, although it does make his expanding waistline understandable ;^).

It would be interesting, I suppose, to try and work out who the Holyrood spads and party supporters actually are. But then Mike Russell would deny they were part of his eNetwork or that it even existed. And then again, why bother, we in Scotland may not know their names but we do know their voices, and it is not nice.

One word of advice to the Nats, get KP* back! He's the only one who can keep Salmond under control before he becomes a national joke. Sturgeon must be getting antsy by now, trying to defend the indefensible s***e being emitted from Salmond

*Kevin Pringle for those not in the loop

MarkSenior

NickPalmer said:

AndyJS said:

Liberals fall from first to third place in Niagara Falls by-election for Ontario state legislature:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara_Falls_(provincial_electoral_district)#Election_results

Striking - any special reason? When I last looked the Liberals were doing really well, but it looks like a 3-horse race again without counting the latest result:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/42nd_Canadian_federal_election

If you compare the results in this by election and that in Thornhill held on the same day with those in the last Federal Election in 2011 in the same constituencies ( boundaries are the same ) the results are pretty disastrous for the Conservatives . Niagara Falls had a 30% Conservative majority with NDP second but was won by the NDP in the byelection . Thornhill had a 38% Conservative majority over the Liberals in 2011 reduced to just 6% over the Liberals in the by election .

JonnyJimmy

The tragedy of Mcpiglet is that, despite his insistence that the "PBTories" know nothing about Scotland, he's far likelier to be closer with his GE prediction than he is with his Indy Ref prediction.

Will he post his percentages for both so we can judge him on them in 15 months time? Or is he a McChicken?

isam

Whatever happened to that annoying Bobajob dude?