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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    COYS!
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    BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Socrates

    Whether I like them or not is immaterial, frankly. I don't like field hockey much but I accept that it has a global reach. US sports don't - the reason the US would "wipe the floor" with its opponents at American football is because no-one else plays it. QED.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited May 2014
    FPT

    @AndyJS

    I was thinking of visiting either Copenhagen or Helsinki next weekend.

    Might be a bit warmer than here.


    Andy

    You should combine Stockholm and Helsinki, transferring by overnight ferry (either the Viking or Silja lines, the debate as to which is best is endless). Leaves Stockholm at 6.00 pm and arrives in Helsinki around 8.00 am. On a fine day in May, passing through the Stockholm archipelago gives an opportunity to view one of the wonders of the Northern world. Food, entertainment and passengers all fun and Baltic crossings are almost always smooth.

    Stay overnight in Stockholm in the old town (Gamla Stan) which has some relatively cheap small hotels (the most famous being the Lord Nelson, Lady Emma Hamilton and Victory trio but pricier than others).

    In Helsinki, stay in a small central hotel near Esplanadi or along/behind the run of Mannerheimintie between the Central railway station and Stockmanns department store. A interesting choice would be Hotel Torni, which has an interesting history and was favoured by Lee Harvey Oswald in his transit to Moscow.

    If you are feeling rich, an alternative could be the Hotel Kalastajatorppa. This is outside the centre of Helsinki and set on the sea shore with the best traditional (urban) sauna in Finland.
    Very minimalist but luxurious.

    My advice would be to make it a long weekend or even a week, then you could spend more time in Stockholm and take a 40 minute sea crossing from Helsinki to Tallinn in Estonia.

    As always with the Nordic countries you need to keep an eye on costs but pre-booking and shopping around should keep the trip affordable.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited May 2014
    @BobaFett

    I'm not talking about American Football - I accept that is a uniquely US thing. Baseball and basketball are, however, games that lots of people play seriously, but would still lose badly to the US. Ice hockey, Canada can compete with the US, but that's not enough for an international competition.

    But anyway, this whole debate is pointless, because more countries playing a sport doesn't make it a better sport any more than more people listening to Katy Perry makes her a better musical artist than Bob Dylan.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    LD MP Mike Hancock is standing for the Fratton ward on Portsmouth City Council as an independent rather than a LD.
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    redcliffe62redcliffe62 Posts: 342
    AveryLP said:

    FPT

    @AndyJS

    I was thinking of visiting either Copenhagen or Helsinki next weekend.

    Might be a bit warmer than here.


    Andy

    You should combine Stockholm and Helsinki, transferring by overnight ferry (either the Viking or Silja lines, the debate as to which is best is endless). Leaves Stockholm at 6.00 pm and arrives in Helsinki around 8.00 am. On a fine day in May, passing through the Stockholm archipelago gives an opportunity to view one of the wonders of the Northern world. Food, entertainment and passengers all fun and Baltic crossings are almost always smooth.

    Stay overnight in Stockholm in the old town (Gamla Stan) which has some relatively cheap small hotels (the most famous being the Lord Nelson, Lady Emma Hamilton and Victory trio but pricier than others).

    In Helsinki, stay in a small central hotel near Esplanadi or along/behind the run of Mannerheimintie between the Central railway station and Stockmanns department store. A interesting choice would be Hotel Torni, which has an interesting history and was favoured by Lee Harvey Oswald in his transit to Moscow.

    If you are feeling rich, an alternative could be the Hotel Kalastajatorppa. This is outside the centre of Helsinki and set on the sea shore with the best traditional (urban) sauna in Finland.
    Very minimalist but luxurious.

    My advice would be to make it a long weekend or even a week, then you could spend more time in Stockholm and take a 40 minute sea crossing from Helsinki to Tallinn in Estonia.

    As always with the Nordic countries you need to keep an eye on costs but pre-booking and shopping around should keep the trip affordable.

    Just want to say this makes me really want to visit.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,845
    SeanT said:

    ON topic, has anyone ever been to the Aeolian islands, north of Sicily? Stromboli, etc?

    I'm away there in June, to do a travel article. My editor wants 2500 words but I'm worried there's bugger all there - certainly not enough to fill up five pages or so - just a volcano or two, a couple of churches, some trendy blacksand beaches, and that's it.

    Anyone been there? Are there any really extraordinary bits that are hard to get to or obscure and mysterious or something?

    The locals are notorious for bestiality.

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. T, if there's a dinky island or two there's a reasonable chance some significant historical figures (Postumus, Augustus'' daughter Julia, or whatever she was called etc) being exiled there. Romans quite enjoyed exiling naughty persons to tiny little islands.
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    SeanT said:

    ON topic, has anyone ever been to the Aeolian islands, north of Sicily? Stromboli, etc?

    I'm away there in June, to do a travel article. My editor wants 2500 words but I'm worried there's bugger all there - certainly not enough to fill up five pages or so - just a volcano or two, a couple of churches, some trendy blacksand beaches, and that's it.

    Anyone been there? Are there any really extraordinary bits that are hard to get to or obscure and mysterious or something?

    Google search for: [sea caves aeolian islands]

    Looks like it would be fun.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612
    Helsinki - Was there a couple of weeks ago and really enjoyed it. You need deep pockets for food and drink though. Had a good meal and craft beer at Bryggeri in the city centre.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,412

    Mr. T, if there's a dinky island or two there's a reasonable chance some significant historical figures (Postumus, Augustus'' daughter Julia, or whatever she was called etc) being exiled there. Romans quite enjoyed exiling naughty persons to tiny little islands.

    Naughty family mainly wasn't it that were exiled, others met more gruesome fates such as being hurled from the Tarpeian rock.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited May 2014
    SeanT said:

    ON topic, has anyone ever been to the Aeolian islands, north of Sicily? Stromboli, etc?

    I'm away there in June, to do a travel article. My editor wants 2500 words but I'm worried there's bugger all there - certainly not enough to fill up five pages or so - just a volcano or two, a couple of churches, some trendy blacksand beaches, and that's it.

    Anyone been there? Are there any really extraordinary bits that are hard to get to or obscure and mysterious or something?


    (cough) – Do you have a similar view to plagiarism as Johann Hari ?


    http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2008/mar/30/italy.europe
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    From a popular travel guide website:
    There’s plenty of fun to be had in Aeolian waters. At Panarea you can snorkel over the submerged foundations of a Roman port, and columns of pulsing bubbles around the majestically sculpted islets, or take an easy dive (12–20m) to see what appears to be a submarine snow-storm – the water is full of blobs of a weird white bacteria that grows on sulphur and has the consistency of eggwhite. Also off Panarea are the remains of a British cargo ship deliberately sunk during the Depression as an insurance scam – for the past fifteen years it has been inhabited by a giant fish (about 80kg).

    Alternatively, head to the Salinan village of Pollara, where a giant offshore crater offers easy diving with lots to see, or explore the wreck of a Roman ship off Filicudi; a rope guides you down to the archeological area – a true underwater museum. It is also a beautiful dive, with lots of fish and fascinating rock formations.

    The islands’ most professional diving outfit is Amphibia, with bases at the ports of Panarea and Salina (amphibia.it).

    Read more: http://www.roughguides.com/destinations/europe/italy/sicily/tyrrhenian-coast/aeolian-islands/#ixzz31bb7WnAl
    It could also be an, er, interesting place to do some sailing. Little low pressure cyclones can develop in the western Mediterranean with comparatively little warning.
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    @SeanT never been there but Il Postino was shot on Salina, that should be good for 100 words!
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    Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    I can feel the next Tom Knox novel coming on.

    An ancient horror still lurking in the sea caves of the Aeolian islands. ST Coleridge immolating himself by stuffing his Aeolian harp violently up his own bottom. A villainous, swarthy Italian villain who can speak perfect English apart from complex words such as "yes" ("Now I will shove my sharpened harp up your arse. And then you die. Si?")
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612
    SeanT - I visited a couple of the Aeolians last year. You can bathe in stinking mud (smell is yuck), see some ancient mausoleums and other remains and (although we didn't) see the glow of Stromboli at dusk from a boat. On the boat back to Sicily some dolphins were riding the bow wave. So a good day out.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    SeanT said:

    ON topic, has anyone ever been to the Aeolian islands, north of Sicily? Stromboli, etc?

    I'm away there in June, to do a travel article. My editor wants 2500 words but I'm worried there's bugger all there - certainly not enough to fill up five pages or so - just a volcano or two, a couple of churches, some trendy blacksand beaches, and that's it.

    Anyone been there? Are there any really extraordinary bits that are hard to get to or obscure and mysterious or something?

    You could wax lyrical about Jules Verne?
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,150
    We know a song about Stromboli

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYD4ppu9eV0
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    ON topic, has anyone ever been to the Aeolian islands, north of Sicily? Stromboli, etc?

    I'm away there in June, to do a travel article. My editor wants 2500 words but I'm worried there's bugger all there - certainly not enough to fill up five pages or so - just a volcano or two, a couple of churches, some trendy blacksand beaches, and that's it.

    Anyone been there? Are there any really extraordinary bits that are hard to get to or obscure and mysterious or something?

    The locals are notorious for bestiality.

    Well that should account for 2350 of the 2500 words needed.

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    edited May 2014
    Mr. Jim, indeed, although didn't Tarpeia betray her father (gate commander), so family could be brutally executed as well?

    Mind you, crucifying dogs was probably the most horrific things the Romans did (after dogs failed to warn of Gauls approaching, unlike geese).

    Welcome to pb.com, Mrs Erdleigh.

    Edited extra bit: incidentally, the Tarpeian Rock is a rare example of something I learnt about classical history at school, rather than afterwards.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    If in the US then try to go to a college or High School football game, much better than the professional leagues as it does not constantly stop for the TV adverts.

    Baseball is good also, like cricket a game for statisticians, but faster paced.

    I like many things about America but would not want to live there again

    "in America they have three cities: New York, San Francisco and all the rest are Cincinnatti!"
    Socrates said:

    @BobaFett

    I'm not talking about American Football - I accept that is a uniquely US thing. Baseball and basketball are, however, games that lots of people play seriously, but would still lose badly to the US. Ice hockey, Canada can compete with the US, but that's not enough for an international competition.

    But anyway, this whole debate is pointless, because more countries playing a sport doesn't make it a better sport any more than more people listening to Katy Perry makes her a better musical artist than Bob Dylan.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited May 2014
    Socrates said:

    @BobaFett

    I'm not talking about American Football - I accept that is a uniquely US thing. Baseball and basketball are, however, games that lots of people play seriously, but would still lose badly to the US. Ice hockey, Canada can compete with the US, but that's not enough for an international competition.

    But anyway, this whole debate is pointless, because more countries playing a sport doesn't make it a better sport any more than more people listening to Katy Perry makes her a better musical artist than Bob Dylan.

    I have just read in Forbes article that 300 million Chinese participate in basketball now and viewership is 450 million, and the sport in India is growing rapidly.

    Now I call BS on those figures, but what isn't the case is that it just one or two blokes in China are sitting at their computers trying to find a stream of the NBA.

    I should also say, that I bloody hate basketball, just pointing out that despite world tournaments of basketball not being a big deal, as a sport it is much more than just a US game.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,927
    edited May 2014
    SeanT said:

    ON topic, has anyone ever been to the Aeolian islands, north of Sicily? Stromboli, etc?

    I'm away there in June, to do a travel article. My editor wants 2500 words but I'm worried there's bugger all there - certainly not enough to fill up five pages or so - just a volcano or two, a couple of churches, some trendy blacksand beaches, and that's it.

    Anyone been there? Are there any really extraordinary bits that are hard to get to or obscure and mysterious or something?

    I have been there, I went on holiday to Lipari in 2012 with my ex girlfriend.She had a friend living there.

    Unfortunately the ex was a TOWIE lover who just wanted to sunbathe round the pool, look pretty and totter about in high heels... refused to go on the boat trip to Stromboli, which is apparently the highlight, and I spent most of the time trying not to notice red blooded sicilian men gawping at her

    I ended up getting pissed and watching Euro 2012 most nights and the only fireworks were the humongous rows we had!

    We did go to Volcano, where the blacksand beach is. An awful smell on that island, with lots of people rolling around in the sulphur pool, but relatively interesting

    Not much happening in Lipari

    " just a volcano or two, a couple of churches, some trendy blacksand beaches, and that's it. " seems to sum it up!

    There is an island that Berlusconi and his cronies go to, no cars allowed, everyone on scooters... I think its Panarea.. Id head there if I were you
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,845

    Mr. Jim, indeed, although didn't Tarpeia betray her father (gate commander), so family could be brutally executed as well?

    Mind you, crucifying dogs was probably the most horrific things the Romans did (after dogs failed to warn of Gauls approaching, unlike geese).

    Welcome to pb.com, Mrs Erdleigh.

    Edited extra bit: incidentally, the Tarpeian Rock is a rare example of something I learnt about classical history at school, rather than afterwards.

    Poena Cullei was pretty gruesome as well. Not to mention the popular re-enactment of the story of Pasiphae's infatuation with a bull, in the Arena.

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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    @SeantT

    Great places for walking and also diving. June will be the start of the season for the 'beautiful and rich' people.

    These islands have been fought over many times - lots of history - could spend a week there easily if one can afford it - with your own yacht/boat/canoe etc is best.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,412

    Mr. Jim, indeed, although didn't Tarpeia betray her father (gate commander), so family could be brutally executed as well?

    Mind you, crucifying dogs was probably the most horrific things the Romans did (after dogs failed to warn of Gauls approaching, unlike geese).

    Welcome to pb.com, Mrs Erdleigh.

    Edited extra bit: incidentally, the Tarpeian Rock is a rare example of something I learnt about classical history at school, rather than afterwards.

    Yes she opened the gates for the Sabines, on the promise of their golden bracelets. Having gained entry though the Sabines killed her and buried her in the rock.
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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    @SeanT

    We did a week there cruising with a hired sailing boat (younger son has a master mariner's cert and rest of us were his crew) - slept on board and dined when in port. If that is slumming it too much - you could always hire a yacht.
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Completely off topic, but I wish to record my undying detestation of BT. At home I currently have no phone line, no internet and no indication when BT will deign to rectify that state of affairs.

    This will put a crimp on further blogposts for the time being.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. F, not sure I'd heard the bull story, though the donkey one I had.

    Was Pasiphae Minos' wife?

    Mr. Jim, was she crushed beneath the weight of shields, by any chance?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited May 2014
    Royal College of GP's claiming Labour's numbers don't add up on 48hr pledge.

    “It’s around £10,000 per practice. That’s a welcome start. It certainly won’t go anywhere near employing more nurses, more GPs.”....Providing a "proper general practice service" would mean increasing the GPs' share of the NHS budget from 8 per cent to 11 per cent, at a cost of £3 billion, said Dr Baker.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10826715/Labour-48-hour-GP-plan-would-cost-30-times-more-than-promised.html

    £10k per practice is chicken feed, you couldn't get another part-time receptionist to make the appointments for that in some parts of the country.

    I presume Labour say it also comes from saving at A&E, and GP union are always going to say but we need more. I think that is probably impossible to quantify until you have actually implemented it.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,845

    Mr. F, not sure I'd heard the bull story, though the donkey one I had.

    Was Pasiphae Minos' wife?

    Mr. Jim, was she crushed beneath the weight of shields, by any chance?

    Yes. According to Martial, it was popular entertainment to watch a female criminal being ravished by a bull.

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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,412

    Mr. F, not sure I'd heard the bull story, though the donkey one I had.

    Was Pasiphae Minos' wife?

    Mr. Jim, was she crushed beneath the weight of shields, by any chance?

    Mr Dancer yup.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. F, I'm not sure the Roman justice system was necessarily in accordance with current thinking on health and safety.

    That said, just imagine if the kind of robust, slightly mental patriotism the Romans had in the Second Punic War were part of Britain today. That's the thing I admire most about the Romans. Hannibal slaughtered almost 80,000 of their men (after wiping out two full consular armies shortly beforehand) and they sold the field it happened on for the full market price.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,997
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,412

    Mr. F, I'm not sure the Roman justice system was necessarily in accordance with current thinking on health and safety.

    That said, just imagine if the kind of robust, slightly mental patriotism the Romans had in the Second Punic War were part of Britain today. That's the thing I admire most about the Romans. Hannibal slaughtered almost 80,000 of their men (after wiping out two full consular armies shortly beforehand) and they sold the field it happened on for the full market price.

    Roman justice would largely be illegal under European law, involving as it did multiple execution methods and various forms of corporal punishment. Of course damnatio memoriae would be impractical in the internet age.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,927
    I was mucking about, no need to get your PC knickers in a twist
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Royal College of GP's claiming Labour's numbers don't add up on 48hr pledge.

    “It’s around £10,000 per practice. That’s a welcome start. It certainly won’t go anywhere near employing more nurses, more GPs.”....Providing a "proper general practice service" would mean increasing the GPs' share of the NHS budget from 8 per cent to 11 per cent, at a cost of £3 billion, said Dr Baker.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10826715/Labour-48-hour-GP-plan-would-cost-30-times-more-than-promised.html

    £10k per practice is chicken feed, you couldn't get another part-time receptionist to make the appointments for that in some parts of the country.

    I presume Labour say it also comes from saving at A&E, and GP union are always going to say but we need more. I think that is probably impossible to quantify until you have actually implemented it.

    From that article:

    "Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary, said he did not accept the figures and said Labour’s plans are “clear and costed”."

    £10k per GP practice equates to less than £7k in pay for extra staff (once you lop off the usual third on-costs for public sector employment). How many extra Doctors is the average practice going to find for £7k? If there are no extra doctors how is the 48 hour rule going to work? Is Burnham off in la-la land again? He does seem to have this idea that if he says it then it must be true but objective reality does keep sticking its oar in.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Jim, indeed. One suspects the Romans under Trajan or Aurelian would have had a more robust response to Russia's annexation of Crimea, however.
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,412

    Royal College of GP's claiming Labour's numbers don't add up on 48hr pledge.

    “It’s around £10,000 per practice. That’s a welcome start. It certainly won’t go anywhere near employing more nurses, more GPs.”....Providing a "proper general practice service" would mean increasing the GPs' share of the NHS budget from 8 per cent to 11 per cent, at a cost of £3 billion, said Dr Baker.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10826715/Labour-48-hour-GP-plan-would-cost-30-times-more-than-promised.html

    £10k per practice is chicken feed, you couldn't get another part-time receptionist to make the appointments for that in some parts of the country.

    I presume Labour say it also comes from saving at A&E, and GP union are always going to say but we need more. I think that is probably impossible to quantify until you have actually implemented it.

    From that article:

    "Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary, said he did not accept the figures and said Labour’s plans are “clear and costed”."

    £10k per GP practice equates to less than £7k in pay for extra staff (once you lop off the usual third on-costs for public sector employment). How many extra Doctors is the average practice going to find for £7k? If there are no extra doctors how is the 48 hour rule going to work? Is Burnham off in la-la land again? He does seem to have this idea that if he says it then it must be true but objective reality does keep sticking its oar in.
    "Clear and costed" clearly means opaque and unfunded in Burnhamese
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,997
    isam said:

    I was mucking about, no need to get your PC knickers in a twist
    (fx: checks): no, no PC knickers here, twisted or otherwise.
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    Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Mr. F, I'm not sure the Roman justice system was necessarily in accordance with current thinking on health and safety.

    That said, just imagine if the kind of robust, slightly mental patriotism the Romans had in the Second Punic War were part of Britain today. That's the thing I admire most about the Romans. Hannibal slaughtered almost 80,000 of their men (after wiping out two full consular armies shortly beforehand) and they sold the field it happened on for the full market price.

    Pathetic effort, they should've asked for a premium for the bone-meal content: google "waterloo bones fertilizer".
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    antifrank said:

    Completely off topic, but I wish to record my undying detestation of BT. At home I currently have no phone line, no internet and no indication when BT will deign to rectify that state of affairs.

    This will put a crimp on further blogposts for the time being.

    I vowed never to use BT again in 2001, so I switched to NTL, who were then bought by Virgin Media.

    I vowed never to use Virgin Media again in 2007, so I switched to TalkTalk.

    When we move later in the year I have vowed that we will not use TalkTalk. My mother would never speak to me again were I to engage the services of the Sky lot.

    As a consequence we are considering doing without a fixed line connection, though it is possible we will join the Phone co-op.

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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,412

    Mr. Jim, indeed. One suspects the Romans under Trajan or Aurelian would have had a more robust response to Russia's annexation of Crimea, however.

    I think most of the better Emperors would have. One only need look at Vespasian's handling of the Jewish revolt. Effectively dispossesing a people of their land for nearly 1900 years.

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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    isam said:
    Are they the same Romanians UKIP are paying to deliver their leaflets in London ?
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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited May 2014
    Okay - it's taken us all afternoon - apologies for the delay. Me and my Gf have got our combined travel to publish - sorry if it's boring.

    France - fell off a canoe

    Copenhagen - weed available

    Amsterdam - weed available

    Tenerife - direct flights from abz, timeshares, beer and fun

    USA - good food

    Paris - good graffiti in the Eiffel tower loos

    Czech - skiing

    Austria - skiing

    Italy - skiing

    Zurich - [censored]
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    Blofelds_CatBlofelds_Cat Posts: 154

    Royal College of GP's claiming Labour's numbers don't add up on 48hr pledge.

    “It’s around £10,000 per practice. That’s a welcome start. It certainly won’t go anywhere near employing more nurses, more GPs.”....Providing a "proper general practice service" would mean increasing the GPs' share of the NHS budget from 8 per cent to 11 per cent, at a cost of £3 billion, said Dr Baker.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10826715/Labour-48-hour-GP-plan-would-cost-30-times-more-than-promised.html

    £10k per practice is chicken feed, you couldn't get another part-time receptionist to make the appointments for that in some parts of the country.

    I presume Labour say it also comes from saving at A&E, and GP union are always going to say but we need more. I think that is probably impossible to quantify until you have actually implemented it.

    From that article:

    "Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary, said he did not accept the figures and said Labour’s plans are “clear and costed”."

    £10k per GP practice equates to less than £7k in pay for extra staff (once you lop off the usual third on-costs for public sector employment). How many extra Doctors is the average practice going to find for £7k? If there are no extra doctors how is the 48 hour rule going to work? Is Burnham off in la-la land again? He does seem to have this idea that if he says it then it must be true but objective reality does keep sticking its oar in.
    £8k + on cost would buy 1 salaried GP's session per week, which would be (at best) 20 x 10 minute appointments. That's just not going to make a dent in it.

    The problem is not the money, it's that there are just not the available qualified GPs to do the work.

    RCGP is not the GPs' union, incidentally (that's the BMA, and there is very little cross-fertilisation). RCGP is concerned with quality of provision.

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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,997
    Burnham's latest offer should perhaps be seen through the prism of the NHS IT project.

    The failed project cost £12.4 billion (it was expected to cost £2.3 bn) (1). It has lasted ten years, which gives £1.2 bn a year roughly.

    There are 7,960 GP practices (2). This means that if Labour had never gone ahead with that accursed scheme, each practice could have had an extra £150,000 every year.

    Instead the money was poured into the pockets of massive, mostly foreign, IT companies.

    Okay, these are very vague estimates and I know some parts of the system were eventually delivered, but the cost was staggering.

    (1): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHS_Connecting_for_Health#Costs
    (2): http://www.nhsconfed.org/priorities/political-engagement/Pages/NHS-statistics.aspx
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    ToryJimToryJim Posts: 3,412
    Whoa this is possibly significant, ICC investigating claims of abuse of Iraqi's by UK service personnel. First ever investigation by the ICC into the UK.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27397695
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,671

    Royal College of GP's claiming Labour's numbers don't add up on 48hr pledge.......a cost of £3 billion....

    I thought I heard right this morning!

    But then I thought No! Surely it was 300 million - and Labour are out by a factor of 'only' 3, surely?

    It can't possibly be by a factor of 30!

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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    @OblitusSumMe

    try Plusnet. Pretty good.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,927

    isam said:
    Are they the same Romanians UKIP are paying to deliver their leaflets in London ?
    That really is a baffling point of view that lefty UKIP haters take.. because UKIP want a stop to mass immigration, they "have" to discriminate against any immigrants already here or else they are hypocrites.

    If they did that, there would rightfully be uproar. I for one wouldnt vote for them if they refused to have anything to do with immigrants that are legitimately in this country.

    I almost feel sorry for leftys that take this view.. so desperate to paint anyone who wants to control immigration as a racist xenophobe that they get upset when the truth is outed...

    I guess its understandable given the polling
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    RodCrosby said:

    @OblitusSumMe

    try Plusnet. Pretty good.

    They are owned by BT, which I believe OP doesn't want to touch with a barge pole.

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    Burnham's latest offer should perhaps be seen through the prism of the NHS IT project.

    The failed project cost £12.4 billion (it was expected to cost £2.3 bn) (1). It has lasted ten years, which gives £1.2 bn a year roughly.

    There are 7,960 GP practices (2). This means that if Labour had never gone ahead with that accursed scheme, each practice could have had an extra £150,000 every year.

    Instead the money was poured into the pockets of massive, mostly foreign, IT companies.

    Okay, these are very vague estimates and I know some parts of the system were eventually delivered, but the cost was staggering.

    (1): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHS_Connecting_for_Health#Costs
    (2): http://www.nhsconfed.org/priorities/political-engagement/Pages/NHS-statistics.aspx

    And I still can't book an appointment online for my GP....
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    If you believe the naysayers, you might be able to buy a run-down wee cottage in Scotland for an armful of empty Irn Bru bottles if Scotland votes Yes.
    SeanT said:

    Yeah. Too right. I've gone off the whole buying abroad thing. Too much hassle, and I get all my holidays free, anyway. What's the point? I'd never visit. I'd do it if I had so much money it didn't matter if I lost £200k, but I don't.

    At the moment my cash is just squatting in my account like a toad, but I will move it soon. And it won't be into Algarvian property.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,288
    Interesting timing - a rat leaving a sinking ship.

    http://order-order.com/2014/05/13/ukips-ethnic-minority-poster-girl-quits-party-citing-racism/#comments

    Farage kept on saying that UKIP was not a racist party, but perhaps the message was not getting through.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    AveryLP said:

    FPT

    @AndyJS

    I was thinking of visiting either Copenhagen or Helsinki next weekend.

    Might be a bit warmer than here.


    Andy

    You should combine Stockholm and Helsinki, transferring by overnight ferry (either the Viking or Silja lines, the debate as to which is best is endless). Leaves Stockholm at 6.00 pm and arrives in Helsinki around 8.00 am. On a fine day in May, passing through the Stockholm archipelago gives an opportunity to view one of the wonders of the Northern world. Food, entertainment and passengers all fun and Baltic crossings are almost always smooth.

    Stay overnight in Stockholm in the old town (Gamla Stan) which has some relatively cheap small hotels (the most famous being the Lord Nelson, Lady Emma Hamilton and Victory trio but pricier than others).

    In Helsinki, stay in a small central hotel near Esplanadi or along/behind the run of Mannerheimintie between the Central railway station and Stockmanns department store. A interesting choice would be Hotel Torni, which has an interesting history and was favoured by Lee Harvey Oswald in his transit to Moscow.

    If you are feeling rich, an alternative could be the Hotel Kalastajatorppa. This is outside the centre of Helsinki and set on the sea shore with the best traditional (urban) sauna in Finland.
    Very minimalist but luxurious.

    My advice would be to make it a long weekend or even a week, then you could spend more time in Stockholm and take a 40 minute sea crossing from Helsinki to Tallinn in Estonia.

    As always with the Nordic countries you need to keep an eye on costs but pre-booking and shopping around should keep the trip affordable.

    Thanks for the advice Avery.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    antifrank said:

    Completely off topic, but I wish to record my undying detestation of BT. At home I currently have no phone line, no internet and no indication when BT will deign to rectify that state of affairs.

    This will put a crimp on further blogposts for the time being.

    I vowed never to use BT again in 2001, so I switched to NTL, who were then bought by Virgin Media.

    I vowed never to use Virgin Media again in 2007, so I switched to TalkTalk.

    When we move later in the year I have vowed that we will not use TalkTalk. My mother would never speak to me again were I to engage the services of the Sky lot.

    As a consequence we are considering doing without a fixed line connection, though it is possible we will join the Phone co-op.

    It is strange how people's experience differs. We have had a fixed line from BT since we moved in (1991). We have been with Plus Net for internet access since they took over Force9 (somewhere back in the 1990s). We have never chased the deal but just stayed with the people who were providing a good service at reasonable cost. We have had the occasional hiccup, none of which have lasted more than 24 hours, and gone from 56k dial-up to 34mbs fibre to the cabinet whilst, in real terms, the costs have gone down.

    Maybe customer loyalty is, in the back room, recognised. I don't know, probably it isn't, but I do know I have had far fewer problems, and got good levels of service, than friends who have gone off chasing the deal.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    antifrank said:

    Completely off topic, but I wish to record my undying detestation of BT. At home I currently have no phone line, no internet and no indication when BT will deign to rectify that state of affairs.

    This will put a crimp on further blogposts for the time being.

    I vowed never to use BT again in 2001, so I switched to NTL, who were then bought by Virgin Media.

    I vowed never to use Virgin Media again in 2007, so I switched to TalkTalk.

    When we move later in the year I have vowed that we will not use TalkTalk. My mother would never speak to me again were I to engage the services of the Sky lot.

    As a consequence we are considering doing without a fixed line connection, though it is possible we will join the Phone co-op.

    BT were supposed to be installing superfast broadband tomorrow, but they've put it back to next week. Still in time for the local elections, just about — as long as they don't delay it again.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    @OblitusSumMe

    try Plusnet. Pretty good.

    They are owned by BT, which I believe OP doesn't want to touch with a barge pole.

    well I never knew that!
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    isam said:

    isam said:
    Are they the same Romanians UKIP are paying to deliver their leaflets in London ?
    That really is a baffling point of view that lefty UKIP haters take.. because UKIP want a stop to mass immigration, they "have" to discriminate against any immigrants already here or else they are hypocrites.

    If they did that, there would rightfully be uproar. I for one wouldnt vote for them if they refused to have anything to do with immigrants that are legitimately in this country.

    I almost feel sorry for leftys that take this view.. so desperate to paint anyone who wants to control immigration as a racist xenophobe that they get upset when the truth is outed...

    I guess its understandable given the polling
    You just do not get the hypocritical nature of UKIP do you ?
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    old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    I was in Helsinki for a break about 13 years ago. The day trip by catamaran to Tallinn was great and Estonia was far cheaper than Finland. IIRC there were lots of Finnish booze cruisers, but visiting two very different cities in a day was thoroughly enjoyable.
    AndyJS said:

    AveryLP said:

    FPT

    @AndyJS

    I was thinking of visiting either Copenhagen or Helsinki next weekend.

    Might be a bit warmer than here.


    Andy

    You should combine Stockholm and Helsinki, transferring by overnight ferry (either the Viking or Silja lines, the debate as to which is best is endless). Leaves Stockholm at 6.00 pm and arrives in Helsinki around 8.00 am. On a fine day in May, passing through the Stockholm archipelago gives an opportunity to view one of the wonders of the Northern world. Food, entertainment and passengers all fun and Baltic crossings are almost always smooth.

    Stay overnight in Stockholm in the old town (Gamla Stan) which has some relatively cheap small hotels (the most famous being the Lord Nelson, Lady Emma Hamilton and Victory trio but pricier than others).

    In Helsinki, stay in a small central hotel near Esplanadi or along/behind the run of Mannerheimintie between the Central railway station and Stockmanns department store. A interesting choice would be Hotel Torni, which has an interesting history and was favoured by Lee Harvey Oswald in his transit to Moscow.

    If you are feeling rich, an alternative could be the Hotel Kalastajatorppa. This is outside the centre of Helsinki and set on the sea shore with the best traditional (urban) sauna in Finland.
    Very minimalist but luxurious.

    My advice would be to make it a long weekend or even a week, then you could spend more time in Stockholm and take a 40 minute sea crossing from Helsinki to Tallinn in Estonia.

    As always with the Nordic countries you need to keep an eye on costs but pre-booking and shopping around should keep the trip affordable.

    Thanks for the advice Avery.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    SeanT said:

    Yeah. Too right. I've gone off the whole buying abroad thing. Too much hassle, and I get all my holidays free, anyway. What's the point? I'd never visit. I'd do it if I had so much money it didn't matter if I lost £200k, but I don't.

    At the moment my cash is just squatting in my account like a toad, but I will move it soon. And it won't be into Algarvian property.
    Buy dollars if you don't need it for 6-9 months. If you feel like some additional risk, then look at a Vanguard tracker. If not, then you still make a good 5-6% on the FX.
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    state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,417
    SeanT said:

    Yeah. Too right. I've gone off the whole buying abroad thing. Too much hassle, and I get all my holidays free, anyway. What's the point? I'd never visit. I'd do it if I had so much money it didn't matter if I lost £200k, but I don't.

    At the moment my cash is just squatting in my account like a toad, but I will move it soon. And it won't be into Algarvian property.
    Move it into Ladbrokes on the Tories getting most votes at 10/11 (for general election that is! If very brave could do the same for the euros)
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,942

    isam said:

    isam said:
    Are they the same Romanians UKIP are paying to deliver their leaflets in London ?
    That really is a baffling point of view that lefty UKIP haters take.. because UKIP want a stop to mass immigration, they "have" to discriminate against any immigrants already here or else they are hypocrites.

    If they did that, there would rightfully be uproar. I for one wouldnt vote for them if they refused to have anything to do with immigrants that are legitimately in this country.

    I almost feel sorry for leftys that take this view.. so desperate to paint anyone who wants to control immigration as a racist xenophobe that they get upset when the truth is outed...

    I guess its understandable given the polling
    You just do not get the hypocritical nature of UKIP do you ?
    You just do not get the hypocritical nature of the Lib Dems do you ?

    Corrected that for you.
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited May 2014

    Maybe customer loyalty is, in the back room, recognised. I don't know, probably it isn't, but I do know I have had far fewer problems, and got good levels of service, than friends who have gone off chasing the deal.

    I've always ended up leaving each of these companies because of lamentably poor service, so a bit of a chicken and egg situation unfortunately - in that I experienced poor service before I had a chance to be loyal for a long time.

    In fact the reason I've decided not to stick with TalkTalk is that they just won't leave me alone. I'm pretty happy with the service we have in general, but they keep on phoning me up to try and sell me more.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,845

    isam said:

    isam said:
    Are they the same Romanians UKIP are paying to deliver their leaflets in London ?
    That really is a baffling point of view that lefty UKIP haters take.. because UKIP want a stop to mass immigration, they "have" to discriminate against any immigrants already here or else they are hypocrites.

    If they did that, there would rightfully be uproar. I for one wouldnt vote for them if they refused to have anything to do with immigrants that are legitimately in this country.

    I almost feel sorry for leftys that take this view.. so desperate to paint anyone who wants to control immigration as a racist xenophobe that they get upset when the truth is outed...

    I guess its understandable given the polling
    You just do not get the hypocritical nature of UKIP do you ?
    Compliance with the law is not hypocrisy.



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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    RodCrosby said:

    @OblitusSumMe

    try Plusnet. Pretty good.

    They are owned by BT, which I believe OP doesn't want to touch with a barge pole.

    Then he is a bloody fool. In my experience Plus Net have one fault, the staffing levels of their telephone help line are too low, leading to long periods of listening to ghastly music. However, as I have only had to phone that number three, maybe four, times in nearly 20 years, I think I'll live with it.
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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    @SeanT

    Have to go into an all evening meeting now - will post tomorrow with some ideas
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    At the moment my broadband speed is about 1.5 mbps. It's supposed to be going up to 76 after next Wednesday, although I'll believe it when I see it.
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    BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    I binned off BT when I had a similar experience to @Antifrank and never returned. Their empty promises and lousy efforts at actually installing comms make me shudder even today.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,997

    Maybe customer loyalty is, in the back room, recognised. I don't know, probably it isn't, but I do know I have had far fewer problems, and got good levels of service, than friends who have gone off chasing the deal.

    I've always ended up leaving each of these companies because of lamentably poor service, so a bit of a chicken and egg situation unfortunately.

    In fact the reason I've decided not to stick with TalkTalk is that they just won't leave me alone. I'm pretty happy with the service we have in general, but they keep on phoning me up to try and sell me more.
    That's one of the reasons we moved away from TalkTalk - they b****y well pester you.

    We've been with BT, Virgin and TalkTalk during our various house moves. Of these, setting up BT's equipment was simplicity itself, and they were competitive at first. All are bad in their own way, though.

    But for us, at the moment at least, it is BT. The best of a bad lot.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    SeanT said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    Yeah. Too right. I've gone off the whole buying abroad thing. Too much hassle, and I get all my holidays free, anyway. What's the point? I'd never visit. I'd do it if I had so much money it didn't matter if I lost £200k, but I don't.

    At the moment my cash is just squatting in my account like a toad, but I will move it soon. And it won't be into Algarvian property.
    Buy dollars if you don't need it for 6-9 months. If you feel like some additional risk, then look at a Vanguard tracker. If not, then you still make a good 5-6% on the FX.
    Why is the greenback definitely gonna appreciate? Am I missing something?
    Sterling is highly valued right now. It will revert to the long-term mean of around 1.60 to the dollar. Question is when: it can stay at the higher rate for longer than you expect. My guess is 6-9 months: the key determinant is when people expect UK rates to rise.

    At the moment, FWIW, I am using sterling cash reserves to pay down USD debt. Breaking my natural balance sheet hedge in the process, but longer term I no longer have USD income, so I'm exposed to FX on the cashflow side & my USD denominated assets are core holdings so won't be divested near term.

    (Alternatively, I'm looking at buying a small business & could cut you in for £100K if you like...)
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    BobaFett said:

    I binned off BT when I had a similar experience to @Antifrank and never returned. Their empty promises and lousy efforts at actually installing comms make me shudder even today.

    BT drive me mad.

    Unfortunately many years ago I adopted a btinternet email address as my main personal address - is there anyway to keep that while not using BT?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,927
    dr_spyn said:

    Interesting timing - a rat leaving a sinking ship.

    http://order-order.com/2014/05/13/ukips-ethnic-minority-poster-girl-quits-party-citing-racism/#comments

    Farage kept on saying that UKIP was not a racist party, but perhaps the message was not getting through.

    That is weird.. she was on channel 4 News last week saying that UKIP werent racist, and that was long after the adverts had come out.

    http://www.channel4.com/news/ethnic-minorities-uk-policy-exchange-30-per-cent-2050

    "The current immigration policy is biased and unfair because everyone is subordinate to Europeans. We have nothing more in common with someone from Bulgaria than we do with someone from Africa or South America or Asia.

    “It makes me angry that my grandparents had to work so hard to come over whereas now people just arrive. I’m not saying that all EU immigrants sponge off the State, but they have the opportunity to use our services.”"

    http://sanya-jeet.com/politics/

    Still, a young girl who has had a change of mind, fair enough.

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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,990

    <


    Maybe customer loyalty is, in the back room, recognised. I don't know, probably it isn't, but I do know I have had far fewer problems, and got good levels of service, than friends who have gone off chasing the deal.

    antifrank said:

    Completely off topic, but I wish to record my undying detestation of BT. At home I currently have no phone line, no internet and no indication when BT will deign to rectify that state of affairs.

    This will put a crimp on further blogposts for the time being.

    I vowed never to use BT again in 2001, so I switched to NTL, who were then bought by Virgin Media.

    I vowed never to use Virgin Media again in 2007, so I switched to TalkTalk.

    When we move later in the year I have vowed that we will not use TalkTalk. My mother would never speak to me again were I to engage the services of the Sky lot.

    As a consequence we are considering doing without a fixed line connection, though it is possible we will join the Phone co-op.

    It is strange how people's experience differs. We have had a fixed line from BT since we moved in (1991). We have been with Plus Net for internet access since they took over Force9 (somewhere back in the 1990s). We have never chased the deal but just stayed with the people who were providing a good service at reasonable cost. We have had the occasional hiccup, none of which have lasted more than 24 hours, and gone from 56k dial-up to 34mbs fibre to the cabinet whilst, in real terms, the costs have gone down.

    Maybe customer loyalty is, in the back room, recognised. I don't know, probably it isn't, but I do know I have had far fewer problems, and got good levels of service, than friends who have gone off chasing the deal.
    My experience with BT has been excellent. I bought broadband service from them some years ago, when it was dial-up. Conversion, when we could, was straightforward. A couple of years later we had a problem and an engineer was sent to look at the system. He diagnosed a need for a new router, which he said would be free, although I would have to wait a couple of days. "While he was there" he checked my usage and advised that I could reduce my payments.
    The router has been upgraded again since, at no charge, when we started having interference on our wi-fi from neighbouring systems.
    We also have BT vision and again the service has been excellent. Couple of problems admittedly over the years but either everything has been sorted out over the phone or an efficient, polite and helpful engineer has visited.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    RodCrosby said:


    well I never knew that!

    I believe it's one of a number of BT Openreach white label services. My provider is branded Vodafone these days, but all of the infrastructure (phone line, exchange equipment, back-haul) is BT, who sell the service to Vodafone to provide billing a customer support.

    The perceived difference therefore is down to customer satisfaction, unrelated to delivery.

    In mobile phones, T-mobile used to have the worst customer reputation. Tesco mobile had the best, although their service was delivered entirely by T-Mobile
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    isamisam Posts: 40,927

    isam said:

    isam said:
    Are they the same Romanians UKIP are paying to deliver their leaflets in London ?
    That really is a baffling point of view that lefty UKIP haters take.. because UKIP want a stop to mass immigration, they "have" to discriminate against any immigrants already here or else they are hypocrites.

    If they did that, there would rightfully be uproar. I for one wouldnt vote for them if they refused to have anything to do with immigrants that are legitimately in this country.

    I almost feel sorry for leftys that take this view.. so desperate to paint anyone who wants to control immigration as a racist xenophobe that they get upset when the truth is outed...

    I guess its understandable given the polling
    You just do not get the hypocritical nature of UKIP do you ?
    I would have been disgusted if UKIP had not used a leaflet distribution comapny because immigrants were working for them. I dont see that as hypocritical. There is middle ground between open door immigration and refusing to interact with immigrants, and thats where UKIP stand

    Like most normal people

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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557

    If you believe the naysayers, you might be able to buy a run-down wee cottage in Scotland for an armful of empty Irn Bru bottles if Scotland votes Yes.

    SeanT said:

    Yeah. Too right. I've gone off the whole buying abroad thing. Too much hassle, and I get all my holidays free, anyway. What's the point? I'd never visit. I'd do it if I had so much money it didn't matter if I lost £200k, but I don't.

    At the moment my cash is just squatting in my account like a toad, but I will move it soon. And it won't be into Algarvian property.
    If anybody is interested, we are currently selling a run-down wee cottage in Scotland. It'll cost a tad more than an armful of empty Irn Bru bottles (latest bid 150,000).

    The structure has pretty much served its tour of duty, but the plot of land (1 acre), the view (astonishing), the garden (mature azaleas and select rhododendron species) and the planning permission (unobtainable nowadays in that kind of spot) are worth well over the asking price.

    Given the right weather, the West Highlands is the finest spot on the planet. And if the weather is crap, retire to the local hotel for a dram. Or entertain the wife. Life is for living after all.
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    RodCrosby said:

    @OblitusSumMe

    try Plusnet. Pretty good.

    They are owned by BT, which I believe OP doesn't want to touch with a barge pole.

    Then he is a bloody fool.
    Maybe, but it's a matter of personal principle.

    One of their representatives lied to me on the phone, when I asked a very specific question, and they refused to admit that they had done me wrong.

    Lesson learnt: Always get it in writing. Never deal with BT again.
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    NextNext Posts: 826
    Charles said:

    BobaFett said:

    I binned off BT when I had a similar experience to @Antifrank and never returned. Their empty promises and lousy efforts at actually installing comms make me shudder even today.

    BT drive me mad.

    Unfortunately many years ago I adopted a btinternet email address as my main personal address - is there anyway to keep that while not using BT?
    No, but you can buy a domain for yourself, and use an email service to redirect it to BT for now.

    Once everyone you know is using your new address, you can then move from BT.

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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited May 2014
    isam said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Interesting timing - a rat leaving a sinking ship.

    http://order-order.com/2014/05/13/ukips-ethnic-minority-poster-girl-quits-party-citing-racism/#comments

    Farage kept on saying that UKIP was not a racist party, but perhaps the message was not getting through.

    That is weird.. she was on channel 4 News last week saying that UKIP werent racist, and that was long after the adverts had come out.

    http://www.channel4.com/news/ethnic-minorities-uk-policy-exchange-30-per-cent-2050

    "The current immigration policy is biased and unfair because everyone is subordinate to Europeans. We have nothing more in common with someone from Bulgaria than we do with someone from Africa or South America or Asia.

    “It makes me angry that my grandparents had to work so hard to come over whereas now people just arrive. I’m not saying that all EU immigrants sponge off the State, but they have the opportunity to use our services.”"

    http://sanya-jeet.com/politics/

    Still, a young girl who has had a change of mind, fair enough.

    If You look at her home Tweet page, you can see from that she was/as a lightweight in politics. I wonder how much she got from the Guardian for this betrayal?
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    "That's one of the reasons we moved away from TalkTalk - they b****y well pester you."

    Astonishing! I have had one unsolicited call from Plus Net and that was earlier this year when the rang to to tell me fibre to the cabinet was now available in my area and did I want it. Getting the new system bedded in was not entirely pain free and necessitated one of those ghastly phone calls but I ain't complaining. I darkest Sussex I am getting 34mbs download and 7mbs upload at anyt ime day or night.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sad to see the UKIP girl buckle under pressure from that unpleasant ranter on Channel 4 News the other day.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,970

    <


    Maybe customer loyalty is, in the back room, recognised. I don't know, probably it isn't, but I do know I have had far fewer problems, and got good levels of service, than friends who have gone off chasing the deal.

    antifrank said:

    Completely off topic, but I wish to record my undying detestation of BT. At home I currently have no phone line, no internet and no indication when BT will deign to rectify that state of affairs.

    This will put a crimp on further blogposts for the time being.

    I vowed never to use BT again in 2001, so I switched to NTL, who were then bought by Virgin Media.




    Maybe customer loyalty is, in the back room, recognised. I don't know, probably it isn't, but I do know I have had far fewer problems, and got good levels of service, than friends who have gone off chasing the deal.
    My experience with BT has been excellent. I bought broadband service from them some years ago, when it was dial-up. Conversion, when we could, was straightforward. A couple of years later we had a problem and an engineer was sent to look at the system. He diagnosed a need for a new router, which he said would be free, although I would have to wait a couple of days. "While he was there" he checked my usage and advised that I could reduce my payments.
    The router has been upgraded again since, at no charge, when we started having interference on our wi-fi from neighbouring systems.
    We also have BT vision and again the service has been excellent. Couple of problems admittedly over the years but either everything has been sorted out over the phone or an efficient, polite and helpful engineer has visited.

    I have same experience , never had any trouble. Phoned recently and said it was too expensive and they upgrade me to Infinity at 40 - 70 Meg , better TV package , etc and reduce the monthly cost.
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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    CON continues to tighten on the Euro Most Votes market. Latest best prices:

    UKIP 1/2 (Lad)
    Lab 11/4 (various)
    Con 9/1 (SJ)
    LD 1000/1 (Betfair)
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,997
    edited May 2014

    "That's one of the reasons we moved away from TalkTalk - they b****y well pester you."

    Astonishing! I have had one unsolicited call from Plus Net and that was earlier this year when the rang to to tell me fibre to the cabinet was now available in my area and did I want it. Getting the new system bedded in was not entirely pain free and necessitated one of those ghastly phone calls but I ain't complaining. I darkest Sussex I am getting 34mbs download and 7mbs upload at anyt ime day or night.

    We were on (from memory) an 18-month contract with TalkTalk, which was concerning because we were in rented accommodation and might have to move at any time (*). When it ended we let the deal lapse into a slightly more expensive rolling-month contract. They kept on phoning us up to see if we wanted to move to another 18-month contract which would save us money. Yet as we moved a few months later, it would have cost us a small fortune to get out of.

    (*) There's another issue with Internet/phone contracts and renting, especially if you are staying for a short period.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,845
    MikeK said:

    isam said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Interesting timing - a rat leaving a sinking ship.

    http://order-order.com/2014/05/13/ukips-ethnic-minority-poster-girl-quits-party-citing-racism/#comments

    Farage kept on saying that UKIP was not a racist party, but perhaps the message was not getting through.

    That is weird.. she was on channel 4 News last week saying that UKIP werent racist, and that was long after the adverts had come out.

    http://www.channel4.com/news/ethnic-minorities-uk-policy-exchange-30-per-cent-2050

    "The current immigration policy is biased and unfair because everyone is subordinate to Europeans. We have nothing more in common with someone from Bulgaria than we do with someone from Africa or South America or Asia.

    “It makes me angry that my grandparents had to work so hard to come over whereas now people just arrive. I’m not saying that all EU immigrants sponge off the State, but they have the opportunity to use our services.”"

    http://sanya-jeet.com/politics/

    Still, a young girl who has had a change of mind, fair enough.

    If You look at her home Tweet page, you can see from that she was/as a lightweight in politics. I wonder how much she got from the Guardian for this betrayal?
    There's no need to be bitter. UKIP's membership is still heading upwards.
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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    LAB drifting in Newark. Latest best prices:

    Con 4/7 (PP)
    UKIP 4/1 (Betfair)
    Lab 5/1 (Hills)
    LD 250/1 (various)
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    FTSE 100 - 15 year high....
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    Stuart_DicksonStuart_Dickson Posts: 3,557
    taffys said:

    FTSE 100 - 15 year high....

    It'll end in tears. I'm heavy on gold and cash. Especially gold.
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    marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    FTSE 100 closes at all time record high 6873.08
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    Sean_F said:


    Compliance with the law is not hypocrisy.

    Not necessarily: if you go around advocating that everyone should break the law, but secretly comply yourself, then that would very definitely be hypocrisy.

    As far as I'm aware, UKIP does not go around advocating that people break the law.
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    MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    SeanT said:

    ON topic, has anyone ever been to the Aeolian islands, north of Sicily? Stromboli, etc?

    I'm away there in June, to do a travel article. My editor wants 2500 words but I'm worried there's bugger all there - certainly not enough to fill up five pages or so - just a volcano or two, a couple of churches, some trendy blacksand beaches, and that's it.

    Anyone been there? Are there any really extraordinary bits that are hard to get to or obscure and mysterious or something?

    They were big in the neolithic - literally as they're the tips of mountains that used to be land until the sea level rose after the ice age. Obsidian from the volcanic bits - Lipari mostly I think - was traded all over.

    http://www.earth-of-fire.com/the-obsidian-roads-1-around-the-mediterranean-basin.html

    It's a bit like Malta. All those temples - a lot older than Ancient Egypt - were on the top of the mountain and the people lived lower down - until the sea rose and that was the end of them.
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