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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Suddenly realised we've all overlooked something of tremendous importance.

    Has Russell Brand backed Corbyn?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Suddenly realised we've all overlooked something of tremendous importance.

    Has Russell Brand backed Corbyn?

    Could you work up a Russell Brand AV thread?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    Suddenly realised we've all overlooked something of tremendous importance.

    Has Russell Brand backed Corbyn?

    Given the effect he had on Ed Miliband, I daresay many in the Labour party are hoping he has!
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited August 2015

    Suddenly realised we've all overlooked something of tremendous importance.

    Has Russell Brand backed Corbyn?

    I think Brand is in hollywood. I suppose he may send Corbyn a couple of dollars; you know how free Russell is with his money.
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    favourite Bond villains?
    Adolfo Celi as Emilio Largo in Thunderball.
    Luciana Paluzzi as Fiona Volpe: SPECTRE agent in Thunderball
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,922

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    I think I agree with all of that :-)

    Jonathan Pryce is one of my favourite actors, and the idea of him as some crazed media mogul was a good one. But the movie just didn't work, which was a real shame.

    And Toby Stephens sneer was simply awesome in Die Another Day.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903

    Suddenly realised we've all overlooked something of tremendous importance.

    Has Russell Brand backed Corbyn?

    I hope not.
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    RodCrosby said:

    Thunderball is my favourite Bond film.

    Easily the sexiest women. A semi-plausible plot. A believable villain. Real sadism and cruelty which drew quite some flak in 1965. It was the only Bond film to be almost given an 'X' rating. Great gadgets. Probably the best opening and closing scenes in the franchise. Only spoiled slightly by the underwater scenes being a tad too long.

    Agreed.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,793
    Russell Brand has got to be part of Owen Jones' Mad leftie's 4 Corbyn Posse.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    RodCrosby said:

    Thunderball is my favourite Bond film.

    Easily the sexiest women. A semi-plausible plot. A believable villain. Real sadism and cruelty which drew quite some flak in 1965. It was the only Bond film to be almost given an 'X' rating. Great gadgets. Probably the best opening and closing scenes in the franchise. Only spoiled slightly by the underwater scenes being a tad too long.

    I also have a soft spot for OHMSS mainly because it was one of a kind, and quite a contrast to all the others.

    OHMSS stays very true to the book. It would have been a truly superb film with Connery, who would not have been 'posh-dubbed' for a third of the film like Lazenby, and a more appropriate actor for Blofeld than Telly Savalas.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I must watch Thunderball again. I didn't like the book so much.

    *riffles through DVDs*

    favourite Bond villains?
    Adolfo Celi as Emilio Largo in Thunderball.
    Luciana Paluzzi as Fiona Volpe: SPECTRE agent in Thunderball

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    This story from the BBC is of considerable significance. If Ministers are considering this option seriously, they have all but given up on renegotiating the terms of British membership of the European Union. You do need to renegotiate your membership to apply a four year residence test to all those seeking in-work benefits within your jurisdiction. The story points very strongly to an early referendum.

    Vote winner. Tough on welfare and seen to be tough on immigrants. Corbyn and the Guardianistas can protest and protest and protest......
    Why are we waiting?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    Tim_B said:

    Plato said:

    Never Say Never Again was embarrassing.

    MikeK said:

    All the Bond films, after Connery were, without exception, remake rubbish.

    I have a book somewhere with a chart showing which plots were recycled. It was quite surprising how many are. I think the Thunderball plot was the most popular recycle.
    Because Thunderball was a book written by Fleming to specifically be a movie, and Kevin McClory helped him.

    McClory then spent the best part of the next 40 years trying to remake the film mutiple times, with multiple lawsuits along the way.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,313
    I somehow just don't quite believe he'll do it.

    But I do really want it to happen.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Pulpstar said:

    Suddenly realised we've all overlooked something of tremendous importance.

    Has Russell Brand backed Corbyn?

    I hope not.
    He has Charlotte Church and Mary Beard so it cant be long now ;)
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    RodCrosby said:

    Thunderball is my favourite Bond film.

    Easily the sexiest women. A semi-plausible plot. A believable villain. Real sadism and cruelty which drew quite some flak in 1965. It was the only Bond film to be almost given an 'X' rating. Great gadgets. Probably the best opening and closing scenes in the franchise. Only spoiled slightly by the underwater scenes being a tad too long.

    Agreed.
    and if you watch the underwater scenes carefully, there are the most horrendous continuity problems.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Suddenly realised we've all overlooked something of tremendous importance.

    Has Russell Brand backed Corbyn?

    I hope not.
    The real killer is if Eddie Izzard has...
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2015
    Who's Eddie Izzard backing?

    EDIT @Scrapheap_as_was SNAP!
    Indigo said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Suddenly realised we've all overlooked something of tremendous importance.

    Has Russell Brand backed Corbyn?

    I hope not.
    He has Charlotte Church and Mary Beard so it cant be long now ;)
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Plato said:

    Never Say Never Again was embarrassing.

    MikeK said:

    All the Bond films, after Connery were, without exception, remake rubbish.

    That was a rival Bond, not made by Eon. One of the original Thunderball writers held the rights after a long running legal battle.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Plato said:

    I must watch Thunderball again. I didn't like the book so much.

    *riffles through DVDs*

    favourite Bond villains?
    Adolfo Celi as Emilio Largo in Thunderball.
    Luciana Paluzzi as Fiona Volpe: SPECTRE agent in Thunderball

    I must go down to the Bonds again
    to those grubby little books
    and all I seek is a killing job
    and a sex scene so sublime.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    Plato said:

    Who's Eddie Izzard backing?

    Indigo said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Suddenly realised we've all overlooked something of tremendous importance.

    Has Russell Brand backed Corbyn?

    I hope not.
    He has Charlotte Church and Mary Beard so it cant be long now ;)
    I do hope it's Andy "Beating heart of Labour" Burnham.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    This story from the BBC is of considerable significance. If Ministers are considering this option seriously, they have all but given up on renegotiating the terms of British membership of the European Union. You do need to renegotiate your membership to apply a four year residence test to all those seeking in-work benefits within your jurisdiction. The story points very strongly to an early referendum.

    Vote winner. Tough on welfare and seen to be tough on immigrants. Corbyn and the Guardianistas can protest and protest and protest......
    Why are we waiting?
    The no benefits for British Citizens between the ages of 18 and 22 will cause a shit storm, everyone is going to come out with this or that category of person that cant get money from anywhere else. Children in Care turning 18 springs immediately to mind.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,313
    edited August 2015

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    What about the charisma vacuum who played the villain in For Your Eyes Only? Rubbish. The oversized computer coding typewriter that the plot revolved around showed more brooding menace.
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    Plato said:

    I must watch Thunderball again. I didn't like the book so much.

    *riffles through DVDs*

    favourite Bond villains?
    Adolfo Celi as Emilio Largo in Thunderball.
    Luciana Paluzzi as Fiona Volpe: SPECTRE agent in Thunderball

    As a 6 year old I was taken to see it with my father (now 90). I often wonder if Claudine Auger as Dominique "Domino" Derval left an imprint? May have also led me to go and live and work in the Caribbean....
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    What about the charisma vacuum who played the villain in For Your Eyes Only? Rubbish.
    That was poor, but I actually quite like Moore in that film.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Mr. 30, I seem to recall (perhaps from a discussion as long ago as school...) that certain Bond themed thingummyjigs couldn't be used in Never Say Never Again, such as the handgun not being the Walter PPK (was it PPK? I think there might also have been an issue with the Goldeneye videogame, where it was the PP7).
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,903
    Indigo said:

    This story from the BBC is of considerable significance. If Ministers are considering this option seriously, they have all but given up on renegotiating the terms of British membership of the European Union. You do need to renegotiate your membership to apply a four year residence test to all those seeking in-work benefits within your jurisdiction. The story points very strongly to an early referendum.

    Vote winner. Tough on welfare and seen to be tough on immigrants. Corbyn and the Guardianistas can protest and protest and protest......
    Why are we waiting?
    The no benefits for British Citizens between the ages of 18 and 22 will cause a shit storm, everyone is going to come out with this or that category of person that cant get money from anywhere else. Children in Care turning 18 springs immediately to mind.
    People with mental and physical disabilities will get cash still.

    Anyway, I support this change.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    BBC - Jeremy Corbyn urges caution over Labour leadership poll

    The YouGov poll for The Times of 1,400 eligible voters put Mr Corbyn on 53%, 32 points ahead of Andy Burnham. - The left-wing MP said his campaign was "going very well" but ballot papers had not yet been sent out.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33860521

    Good move – keeps the Corbynytes motivated and wards off complacency.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Pulpstar said:

    Indigo said:

    This story from the BBC is of considerable significance. If Ministers are considering this option seriously, they have all but given up on renegotiating the terms of British membership of the European Union. You do need to renegotiate your membership to apply a four year residence test to all those seeking in-work benefits within your jurisdiction. The story points very strongly to an early referendum.

    Vote winner. Tough on welfare and seen to be tough on immigrants. Corbyn and the Guardianistas can protest and protest and protest......
    Why are we waiting?
    The no benefits for British Citizens between the ages of 18 and 22 will cause a shit storm, everyone is going to come out with this or that category of person that cant get money from anywhere else. Children in Care turning 18 springs immediately to mind.
    People with mental and physical disabilities will get cash still.

    Anyway, I support this change.
    People without any parents apparently won't...
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    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    At least he'll call the SNP's socialist bluff.

    Excellent news for Scottish Labour. Should blow Nicola out of the water just in time for the Holyrood elections.

    As the Nationalist commentators have pointed out, that rather depends on him being able to get past whichever random nonentity is crowned SLAB leader this week, none of whom are socialists.

    It is also predicated on the rather quaint and almost entirely false notion that Scots vote for the SNP because they implement left-wing policies.

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    Indigo said:

    This story from the BBC is of considerable significance. If Ministers are considering this option seriously, they have all but given up on renegotiating the terms of British membership of the European Union. You do need to renegotiate your membership to apply a four year residence test to all those seeking in-work benefits within your jurisdiction. The story points very strongly to an early referendum.

    Vote winner. Tough on welfare and seen to be tough on immigrants. Corbyn and the Guardianistas can protest and protest and protest......
    Why are we waiting?
    The no benefits for British Citizens between the ages of 18 and 22 will cause a shit storm, everyone is going to come out with this or that category of person that cant get money from anywhere else. Children in Care turning 18 springs immediately to mind.
    Labour promised a two year delay in their manifesto, so .....
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,313

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    What about the charisma vacuum who played the villain in For Your Eyes Only? Rubbish.
    That was poor, but I actually quite like Moore in that film.
    Yes. Moore is my favourite Bond. And the Thatcher cameo was entertaining too.

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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    I'm afraid I disagree on Walken as Zorin. I thought his part was poorly written as he's an excellent actor and should have had more to work with. Lee was very good but the film, as you say, was probably the low point of the entire series. Drax I did find credible but the plot was ludicrous (which is a shame as the book is probably the best that Fleming wrote and could have been more-or-less adapted at the time).

    Gert Frobe as Goldfinger was, on the other hand, genuinely chilling. "No, Mr Bond; I expect you to die" is not just a great throwaway line in its own right (one of the few given to a villain), but is entirely believable. Even though the film has weaknesses (the plot device about the toxic spray being switched), it's one one of the best.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Indigo said:

    This story from the BBC is of considerable significance. If Ministers are considering this option seriously, they have all but given up on renegotiating the terms of British membership of the European Union. You do need to renegotiate your membership to apply a four year residence test to all those seeking in-work benefits within your jurisdiction. The story points very strongly to an early referendum.

    Vote winner. Tough on welfare and seen to be tough on immigrants. Corbyn and the Guardianistas can protest and protest and protest......
    Why are we waiting?
    The no benefits for British Citizens between the ages of 18 and 22 will cause a shit storm, everyone is going to come out with this or that category of person that cant get money from anywhere else. Children in Care turning 18 springs immediately to mind.
    Labour promised a two year delay in their manifesto, so .....
    Just because Labour were going to behave like a bunch of idiots, its doesn't mean that the Tories should as well ;) There are any number of reasons why someone should not be receiving benefit, age isn't one of them (assuming they are an adult)
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    Bond villains
    Lotte Lenya as Rosa Klebb in FRWL.
    Film also had great backdrop of Istanbul, the Cold War and Daniela Bianchi
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniela_Bianchi
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    Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited August 2015

    Vote winner. Tough on welfare and seen to be tough on immigrants. Corbyn and the Guardianistas can protest and protest and protest......
    Why are we waiting?

    I am not disputing that. This story is interesting for what it tells us about the EU negotiations, i.e they are going nowhere and Ministers are seriously considering presenting measures they could have adopted in any event as the fruits of "renegotiation". This must point to an early referendum (quaere June 2016) and serious splits in the Conservative Party if they realise what Cameron is up to.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Live And Let Die has IMO the best stunts - the crocs and the barrel roll. Epic.

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    I'm afraid I disagree on Walken as Zorin. I thought his part was poorly written as he's an excellent actor and should have had more to work with. Lee was very good but the film, as you say, was probably the low point of the entire series. Drax I did find credible but the plot was ludicrous (which is a shame as the book is probably the best that Fleming wrote and could have been more-or-less adapted at the time).

    Gert Frobe as Goldfinger was, on the other hand, genuinely chilling. "No, Mr Bond; I expect you to die" is not just a great throwaway line in its own right (one of the few given to a villain), but is entirely believable. Even though the film has weaknesses (the plot device about the toxic spray being switched), it's one one of the best.
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274
    edited August 2015
    It will be a seismic event for British politics, this Corbyn thing. But it could could play out in a variety of contrasting ways - just like an earthquake changes the landscape but in ways that are not wholly predictable. A useful topic for a thread, I think.

    Corbyn is the only one trying, while the other three sit around not saying all that much, just wringing their hands. Reluctantly I say Corbyn deserves to win.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited August 2015
    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    This story from the BBC is of considerable significance. If Ministers are considering this option seriously, they have all but given up on renegotiating the terms of British membership of the European Union. You do need to renegotiate your membership to apply a four year residence test to all those seeking in-work benefits within your jurisdiction. The story points very strongly to an early referendum.

    Vote winner. Tough on welfare and seen to be tough on immigrants. Corbyn and the Guardianistas can protest and protest and protest......
    Why are we waiting?
    The no benefits for British Citizens between the ages of 18 and 22 will cause a shit storm, everyone is going to come out with this or that category of person that cant get money from anywhere else. Children in Care turning 18 springs immediately to mind.
    Labour promised a two year delay in their manifesto, so .....
    Just because Labour were going to behave like a bunch of idiots, its doesn't mean that the Tories should as well ;) There are any number of reasons why someone should not be receiving benefit, age isn't one of them (assuming they are an adult)
    Welfare rights should be earned by all able bodied adults.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Yup. The blade in her shoe. Brrrr.

    Bond villains
    Lotte Lenya as Rosa Klebb in FRWL.
    Film also had great backdrop of Istanbul, the Cold War and Daniela Bianchi
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniela_Bianchi

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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited August 2015

    Vote winner. Tough on welfare and seen to be tough on immigrants. Corbyn and the Guardianistas can protest and protest and protest......
    Why are we waiting?

    I am not disputing that. This story is interesting for what it tells us about the EU negotiations, i.e they are going nowhere and Ministers are seriously considering presenting measures they could have adopted in any event as the fruits of "renegotiation". This must point to an early referendum (quaere June 2016) and serious splits in the Conservative Party if they realise what Cameron is up to.
    They are hoping a pro-EU Labour wouldn't be rude enough to ask about it (assuming they look up from killing each other long enough to notice), and that a pro-EU BBC & SKY wouldn't be so inopportune as to run stories about it if they did, and that sufficiently few people will be listening to the kippers as to keep the fuss below the radar, letting the pro-EU Conservative leadership pull the wool over the public's eyes. Has a familiar ring about it.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Plato said:

    Live And Let Die has IMO the best stunts - the crocs and the barrel roll. Epic.

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    I'm afraid I disagree on Walken as Zorin. I thought his part was poorly written as he's an excellent actor and should have had more to work with. Lee was very good but the film, as you say, was probably the low point of the entire series. Drax I did find credible but the plot was ludicrous (which is a shame as the book is probably the best that Fleming wrote and could have been more-or-less adapted at the time).

    Gert Frobe as Goldfinger was, on the other hand, genuinely chilling. "No, Mr Bond; I expect you to die" is not just a great throwaway line in its own right (one of the few given to a villain), but is entirely believable. Even though the film has weaknesses (the plot device about the toxic spray being switched), it's one one of the best.
    Oddjob was a great baddie. Goldfinger is my favorite. It's the movie where they perfected the formula. It's also the shortest.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,313
    Zenia Onatopp (great name) was a superb villain side kick. Getting all hot and bothered as she was machine gunning computer operators was made brilliantly believable by the lovely Famke Jansson. Surely one of the few actresses to get success out of the franchise.
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    Indigo said:

    This story from the BBC is of considerable significance. If Ministers are considering this option seriously, they have all but given up on renegotiating the terms of British membership of the European Union. You do need to renegotiate your membership to apply a four year residence test to all those seeking in-work benefits within your jurisdiction. The story points very strongly to an early referendum.

    Vote winner. Tough on welfare and seen to be tough on immigrants. Corbyn and the Guardianistas can protest and protest and protest......
    Why are we waiting?
    The no benefits for British Citizens between the ages of 18 and 22 will cause a shit storm, everyone is going to come out with this or that category of person that cant get money from anywhere else. Children in Care turning 18 springs immediately to mind.
    One almost gets the feeling the Government is making these announcements to wind up the Left and get them even more motivated to vote for JC.

    I say that half-jokingly - I would not be surprised if that is part of their thinking.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    He was. Gert Frobe also playing the King of Vulgaria in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang just a completes my pleasure there.

    Someone mentioned Jonathon Pryce being a weak Bond baddie - I quite agree, he'll always be Sam in Brazil for me.
    Tim_B said:

    Plato said:

    Live And Let Die has IMO the best stunts - the crocs and the barrel roll. Epic.

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    I'm afraid I disagree on Walken as Zorin. I thought his part was poorly written as he's an excellent actor and should have had more to work with. Lee was very good but the film, as you say, was probably the low point of the entire series. Drax I did find credible but the plot was ludicrous (which is a shame as the book is probably the best that Fleming wrote and could have been more-or-less adapted at the time).

    Gert Frobe as Goldfinger was, on the other hand, genuinely chilling. "No, Mr Bond; I expect you to die" is not just a great throwaway line in its own right (one of the few given to a villain), but is entirely believable. Even though the film has weaknesses (the plot device about the toxic spray being switched), it's one one of the best.
    Oddjob was a great baddie. Goldfinger is my favorite. It's the movie where they perfected the formula. It's also the shortest.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited August 2015
    Tim_B said:

    Plato said:

    Live And Let Die has IMO the best stunts - the crocs and the barrel roll. Epic.

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Oddjob was a great baddie. Goldfinger is my favorite. It's the movie where they perfected the formula. It's also the shortest.
    There was also pussy galore…. :blush:
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799

    Bond villains
    Lotte Lenya as Rosa Klebb in FRWL.
    Film also had great backdrop of Istanbul, the Cold War and Daniela Bianchi
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniela_Bianchi

    Yes, I think Rosa Klebb is my favourite villain too.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    I'm afraid I disagree on Walken as Zorin. I thought his part was poorly written as he's an excellent actor and should have had more to work with. Lee was very good but the film, as you say, was probably the low point of the entire series. Drax I did find credible but the plot was ludicrous (which is a shame as the book is probably the best that Fleming wrote and could have been more-or-less adapted at the time).

    Gert Frobe as Goldfinger was, on the other hand, genuinely chilling. "No, Mr Bond; I expect you to die" is not just a great throwaway line in its own right (one of the few given to a villain), but is entirely believable. Even though the film has weaknesses (the plot device about the toxic spray being switched), it's one one of the best.
    Yeah, well, you're wrong about Walken ;-) He was totally believable as a crazed, but highly intelligent and charming, psychotic. I love how he laughs at the computer profile of Bond being 'very dangerous' and 'licenced to kill', nods for the KGB infiltrator to be thrown down the pump test chute to be made mincemeat and laughs as he realises the joke's on him as he falls off the Golden Gate Bridge. Legend.

    Interestingly, the plots of AVTAK and Goldfinger have strong similarities. My favourite scene with Frobe is the golf match with Connery - brilliant stuff.

    The Kentucky/Fort Knox stuff pales in comparison.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    This story from the BBC is of considerable significance. If Ministers are considering this option seriously, they have all but given up on renegotiating the terms of British membership of the European Union. You do need to renegotiate your membership to apply a four year residence test to all those seeking in-work benefits within your jurisdiction. The story points very strongly to an early referendum.

    Vote winner. Tough on welfare and seen to be tough on immigrants. Corbyn and the Guardianistas can protest and protest and protest......
    Why are we waiting?
    The no benefits for British Citizens between the ages of 18 and 22 will cause a shit storm, everyone is going to come out with this or that category of person that cant get money from anywhere else. Children in Care turning 18 springs immediately to mind.
    Labour promised a two year delay in their manifesto, so .....
    Just because Labour were going to behave like a bunch of idiots, its doesn't mean that the Tories should as well ;) There are any number of reasons why someone should not be receiving benefit, age isn't one of them (assuming they are an adult)
    Welfare rights should be earned by all able bodied adults.
    So you are an able bodied teenager that has been living in care for the past ten years, or an able bodied orphan, and you reach the age of 18, and due to your poor life opportunities, you can't immediately get a job... who is paying for you to live ? If anything there should be a taper between statutory welfare rights at 18 to earned rights at say 25.
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    PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,274
    edited August 2015

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    This story from the BBC is of considerable significance. If Ministers are considering this option seriously, they have all but given up on renegotiating the terms of British membership of the European Union. You do need to renegotiate your membership to apply a four year residence test to all those seeking in-work benefits within your jurisdiction. The story points very strongly to an early referendum.

    Vote winner. Tough on welfare and seen to be tough on immigrants. Corbyn and the Guardianistas can protest and protest and protest......
    Why are we waiting?
    The no benefits for British Citizens between the ages of 18 and 22 will cause a shit storm, everyone is going to come out with this or that category of person that cant get money from anywhere else. Children in Care turning 18 springs immediately to mind.
    Labour promised a two year delay in their manifesto, so .....
    Just because Labour were going to behave like a bunch of idiots, its doesn't mean that the Tories should as well ;) There are any number of reasons why someone should not be receiving benefit, age isn't one of them (assuming they are an adult)
    Welfare rights should be earned by all able bodied adults.
    I agree. If the new welfare rules go ahead they should not be considered any part of the "renegotiation triumph", rather an affirmation of our weakness of sovereignty. They are nothing to do with the EU but are a change to domestic law which could have been implemented at any time without recourse to the EU. Gradually the case for NO is building, if only someone could grab a hold of it and get organised!

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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2015
    Famke was the most gorgeous by a country mile. She's in Hemlock Grove and doesn't appear to have aged much at all. If she's been under the knife - it doesn't show.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUH3B1lPvYM

    Zenia Onatopp (great name) was a superb villain side kick. Getting all hot and bothered as she was machine gunning computer operators was made brilliantly believable by the lovely Famke Jansson. Surely one of the few actresses to get success out of the franchise.

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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Mr. 1983, indeed, she was rather super.

    Always makes me think of Gladiators, because her stunt woman was Eunice Someoneorother, who absolutely crushed her competitors (and the female Gladiators too, come to think of it).
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,313
    Tim_B said:

    Plato said:

    Live And Let Die has IMO the best stunts - the crocs and the barrel roll. Epic.

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    I'm afraid I disagree on Walken as Zorin. I thought his part was poorly written as he's an excellent actor and should have had more to work with. Lee was very good but the film, as you say, was probably the low point of the entire series. Drax I did find credible but the plot was ludicrous (which is a shame as the book is probably the best that Fleming wrote and could have been more-or-less adapted at the time).

    Gert Frobe as Goldfinger was, on the other hand, genuinely chilling. "No, Mr Bond; I expect you to die" is not just a great throwaway line in its own right (one of the few given to a villain), but is entirely believable. Even though the film has weaknesses (the plot device about the toxic spray being switched), it's one one of the best.
    Oddjob was a great baddie. Goldfinger is my favorite. It's the movie where they perfected the formula. It's also the shortest.
    Same - it has everything.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited August 2015
    Latest leftie set of ideas from the IPPR thinktank. Kind of sums up why the Blairites have few ideas. File under "General statements of the bleeding obvious"

    "The key to restoring productivity growth is to shift job creation towards higher productivity sectors, while encouraging firms to invest more to boost the productivity of their existing workforces."
    http://www.cityam.com/222062/what-george-osborne-needs-do-get-britain-s-productivity-engine-started-again?utm_medium=Email&utm_source=Email&utm_campaign=150811_CMU
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited August 2015
    Plato said:

    He was. Gert Frobe also playing the King of Vulgaria in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang just a completes my pleasure there.

    Someone mentioned Jonathon Pryce being a weak Bond baddie - I quite agree, he'll always be Sam in Brazil for me.

    Tim_B said:

    Plato said:

    Live And Let Die has IMO the best stunts - the crocs and the barrel roll. Epic.

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    I'm afraid I disagree on Walken as Zorin. I thought his part was poorly written as he's an excellent actor and should have had more to work with. Lee was very good but the film, as you say, was probably the low point of the entire series. Drax I did find credible but the plot was ludicrous (which is a shame as the book is probably the best that Fleming wrote and could have been more-or-less adapted at the time).

    Gert Frobe as Goldfinger was, on the other hand, genuinely chilling. "No, Mr Bond; I expect you to die" is not just a great throwaway line in its own right (one of the few given to a villain), but is entirely believable. Even though the film has weaknesses (the plot device about the toxic spray being switched), it's one one of the best.
    Oddjob was a great baddie. Goldfinger is my favorite. It's the movie where they perfected the formula. It's also the shortest.
    Frobe was also in Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines, (was hilarious), Is Paris Burning, a High Wind in Jamaica, and The Longest Day.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,799
    Plato said:

    He was. Gert Frobe also playing the King of Vulgaria in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang just a completes my pleasure there.

    Someone mentioned Jonathon Pryce being a weak Bond baddie - I quite agree, he'll always be Sam in Brazil for me.

    Tim_B said:

    Plato said:

    Live And Let Die has IMO the best stunts - the crocs and the barrel roll. Epic.

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    I'm afraid I disagree on Walken as Zorin. I thought his part was poorly written as he's an excellent actor and should have had more to work with. Lee was very good but the film, as you say, was probably the low point of the entire series. Drax I did find credible but the plot was ludicrous (which is a shame as the book is probably the best that Fleming wrote and could have been more-or-less adapted at the time).

    Gert Frobe as Goldfinger was, on the other hand, genuinely chilling. "No, Mr Bond; I expect you to die" is not just a great throwaway line in its own right (one of the few given to a villain), but is entirely believable. Even though the film has weaknesses (the plot device about the toxic spray being switched), it's one one of the best.
    Oddjob was a great baddie. Goldfinger is my favorite. It's the movie where they perfected the formula. It's also the shortest.
    Everyone says that Pryce is excellent as the High Sparrow in A Game of Thrones, polite and soft-spoken, but quietly fanatical and ruthless.
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    BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191

    Mr. 1983, indeed, she was rather super.

    Always makes me think of Gladiators, because her stunt woman was Eunice Someoneorother, who absolutely crushed her competitors (and the female Gladiators too, come to think of it).

    Huthart.

    Incidentally, she ended up involved in the phone hacking stuff, as she was a stunt double for pretty much every brunette actress in 2000s action films.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    That's the lady, Mr. Paris.

    I'm not surprised. She was immensely fit/strong. It was quite amusing to watch her be better than most of the female Gladiators. (Gladiatrices, I suppose).
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,922
    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    This story from the BBC is of considerable significance. If Ministers are considering this option seriously, they have all but given up on renegotiating the terms of British membership of the European Union. You do need to renegotiate your membership to apply a four year residence test to all those seeking in-work benefits within your jurisdiction. The story points very strongly to an early referendum.

    Vote winner. Tough on welfare and seen to be tough on immigrants. Corbyn and the Guardianistas can protest and protest and protest......
    Why are we waiting?
    The no benefits for British Citizens between the ages of 18 and 22 will cause a shit storm, everyone is going to come out with this or that category of person that cant get money from anywhere else. Children in Care turning 18 springs immediately to mind.
    Labour promised a two year delay in their manifesto, so .....
    Just because Labour were going to behave like a bunch of idiots, its doesn't mean that the Tories should as well ;) There are any number of reasons why someone should not be receiving benefit, age isn't one of them (assuming they are an adult)
    Welfare rights should be earned by all able bodied adults.
    So you are an able bodied teenager that has been living in care for the past ten years, or an able bodied orphan, and you reach the age of 18, and due to your poor life opportunities, you can't immediately get a job... who is paying for you to live ? If anything there should be a taper between statutory welfare rights at 18 to earned rights at say 25.
    Transitional care relief for vulnerable young adults.

    Problem solved.

    The point TC makes is a good one though. Forget the EU for a second, and think about how we get young people into a culture of work. The best way is for them to actually work. Someone who's 27 and has never worked is probably never going to work. You need to get people into the culture of work as soon as possible. And the best way to do that is to require a history of NI payments before benefits are payable.

    This would also act as an incentive to young people aged 15, 16 or 17 to work hard at school. If you know there are no government handouts until you've worked, then being qualified to work matters more. And parents - realising they (and not the state) will be subsidising none working young adults are much more likely to give their kids a kick up the arse.
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    Vote winner. Tough on welfare and seen to be tough on immigrants. Corbyn and the Guardianistas can protest and protest and protest......
    Why are we waiting?

    I am not disputing that. This story is interesting for what it tells us about the EU negotiations, i.e they are going nowhere and Ministers are seriously considering presenting measures they could have adopted in any event as the fruits of "renegotiation". This must point to an early referendum (quaere June 2016) and serious splits in the Conservative Party if they realise what Cameron is up to.
    Serious splits? Maybe. Osborne is locked in with Cameron and Cameron will be looking to stand down soon after a Yes vote. But, if Cameron upsets more than half his party, the person who will suffer is Osborne, not Cameron. The party may postpone the split to await the outcome of who is Cameron's successor. Meanwhile the EC continues to fall apart over irreconcilible policies of Schengen vs Immigration vs HRA etc etc
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    FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    I feel quite guilty about totally and unintentionally diverting the thread. Have to blame @Plato for aiding and abetting.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Mr. Financier, don't feel guilty. You Only Live Twice.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,633
    Sean_F said:

    Plato said:

    He was. Gert Frobe also playing the King of Vulgaria in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang just a completes my pleasure there.

    Someone mentioned Jonathon Pryce being a weak Bond baddie - I quite agree, he'll always be Sam in Brazil for me.

    Tim_B said:

    Plato said:

    Live And Let Die has IMO the best stunts - the crocs and the barrel roll. Epic.

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    I'm afraid I disagree on Walken as Zorin. I thought his part was poorly written as he's an excellent actor and should have had more to work with. Lee was very good but the film, as you say, was probably the low point of the entire series. Drax I did find credible but the plot was ludicrous (which is a shame as the book is probably the best that Fleming wrote and could have been more-or-less adapted at the time).

    Gert Frobe as Goldfinger was, on the other hand, genuinely chilling. "No, Mr Bond; I expect you to die" is not just a great throwaway line in its own right (one of the few given to a villain), but is entirely believable. Even though the film has weaknesses (the plot device about the toxic spray being switched), it's one one of the best.
    Oddjob was a great baddie. Goldfinger is my favorite. It's the movie where they perfected the formula. It's also the shortest.
    Everyone says that Pryce is excellent as the High Sparrow in A Game of Thrones, polite and soft-spoken, but quietly fanatical and ruthless.
    Definitely. He has this steel about him, usualy unthreatening but frustrating for those playing games around him, but without getting loud or demonstratve, he then turns up the glare and the threat, and you can see people would quake before his judgement.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    They are making a movie of Baywatch.

    Dustin Hoffman said it best. There are many good drama series on TV today, but the movies are terrible - all remakes, sequels, or comic book heroes.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    On the "Should I lay Jowell?" question @RichardN asked (sort of).

    If you make the following assumptions:


    Likelihood of Corbyn being elected 60%
    Likelihood of Jowell being candidate given Corbyn 30%
    Likelihood Jowell wins in this combination 35%
    Likelihood of Jowell being candidate given not Corbyn 70%
    Likelihood Jowell wins in this combination 70%


    The answer is yes, out to 3.85.

    Of course anyone else's opinion on the above could be radically different.

    I'm keeping an eye on the market - which is a lot slower to react than the leadership contest.
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    Might be worth giving some thought to the electoral impact of a Corbyn led Labour party, assuming he manages to keep the parliamentry party intact.

    I suspect some of the voters that have migrated left to the Greens and other minor left wing outfits will happily return.

    What impact will this have on the LibDems - they seem to have taken a bit of a leftist route also - would Norman Lamb had been in a better position to hoover up some more centrist voters.

    One of the best hopes for Labour under Corbyn is surely Scotland, however I can't help but think that SLAB remains a busted flush. I actually see the Tories being beneficiaries in border regions as the SNP might try to out-Corbyn Corbyn.

    Not sure how Wales goes - Lib Dems might pick up here - not really much sign of a nationalist upsurge.

    England is where Labour could struggle most. They will probably strengthen in the North East and there will be pockets of resistance elsewhere, however hanging on to everything else will be a challenge.

    Overall if Corbyn leads into 2020 GE, I suspect 170 seats would be a good result for Labour.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Golly. According to YouGov

    About 67 per cent of trade union affiliates support Mr Corbyn, compared with 55 per cent of registered supporters who paid £3 to vote, and 49 per cent of full Labour members.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited August 2015

    One of the best hopes for Labour under Corbyn is surely Scotland, however I can't help but think that SLAB remains a busted flush. I actually see the Tories being beneficiaries in border regions as the SNP might try to out-Corbyn Corbyn.

    Not unless SLAB suddenly becomes a separatist party. People vote for the SNP because they are Nationalists not because they are lefties. I would be willing to bet that if the SNP moved right to somewhere around John Major their vote would hardly change at all.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,313

    Mr. 1983, indeed, she was rather super.

    Always makes me think of Gladiators, because her stunt woman was Eunice Someoneorother, who absolutely crushed her competitors (and the female Gladiators too, come to think of it).

    That's right I forgot about her!
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,936
    rcs1000 said:

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    ...

    ...
    The no benefits for British Citizens between the ages of 18 and 22 will cause a shit storm, everyone is going to come out with this or that category of person that cant get money from anywhere else. Children in Care turning 18 springs immediately to mind.
    Labour promised a two year delay in their manifesto, so .....
    Just because Labour were going to behave like a bunch of idiots, its doesn't mean that the Tories should as well ;) There are any number of reasons why someone should not be receiving benefit, age isn't one of them (assuming they are an adult)
    Welfare rights should be earned by all able bodied adults.
    So you are an able bodied teenager that has been living in care for the past ten years, or an able bodied orphan, and you reach the age of 18, and due to your poor life opportunities, you can't immediately get a job... who is paying for you to live ? If anything there should be a taper between statutory welfare rights at 18 to earned rights at say 25.
    Transitional care relief for vulnerable young adults.

    Problem solved.

    The point TC makes is a good one though. Forget the EU for a second, and think about how we get young people into a culture of work. The best way is for them to actually work. Someone who's 27 and has never worked is probably never going to work. You need to get people into the culture of work as soon as possible. And the best way to do that is to require a history of NI payments before benefits are payable.

    This would also act as an incentive to young people aged 15, 16 or 17 to work hard at school. If you know there are no government handouts until you've worked, then being qualified to work matters more. And parents - realising they (and not the state) will be subsidising none working young adults are much more likely to give their kids a kick up the arse.
    Absolutely. Tie it in with re-establishment of vocational courses 14-18 and grammar schools, and we may actually progress as a society....

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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Plato said:

    Live And Let Die has IMO the best stunts - the crocs and the barrel roll. Epic.

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Oddjob was a great baddie. Goldfinger is my favorite. It's the movie where they perfected the formula. It's also the shortest.
    There was also pussy galore…. :blush:
    Indeed there was - I'm working my way through the 50th anniversary edition of The Avengers, 40 dvds.

    Somebody mentioned that Thunderball almost got an X certificate. The first film -Dr No - almost did too. It remains the only example of Bond killing a man in cold blood.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,922
    Plato said:

    Golly. According to YouGov

    About 67 per cent of trade union affiliates support Mr Corbyn, compared with 55 per cent of registered supporters who paid £3 to vote, and 49 per cent of full Labour members.

    Mind you: that means that even without the trade union affiliates and the £3 supporters, Corbyn would still be coasting to victory
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Plato said:

    Golly. According to YouGov

    About 67 per cent of trade union affiliates support Mr Corbyn, compared with 55 per cent of registered supporters who paid £3 to vote, and 49 per cent of full Labour members.

    Looks as though Diane Abbott is a dead cert for Home Secretary… :lol:
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited August 2015
    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    ...

    ...
    The no benefits for British Citizens between the ages of 18 and 22 will cause a shit storm, everyone is going to come out with this or that category of person that cant get money from anywhere else. Children in Care turning 18 springs immediately to mind.
    Labour promised a two year delay in their manifesto, so .....
    Just because Labour were going to behave like a bunch of idiots, its doesn't mean that the Tories should as well ;) There are any number of reasons why someone should not be receiving benefit, age isn't one of them (assuming they are an adult)
    Welfare rights should be earned by all able bodied adults.
    So you are an able bodied teenager that has been living in care for the past ten years, or an able bodied orphan, and you reach the age of 18, and due to your poor life opportunities, you can't immediately get a job... who is paying for you to live ? If anything there should be a taper between statutory welfare rights at 18 to earned rights at say 25.
    Transitional care relief for vulnerable young adults.

    Problem solved.

    The point TC makes is a good one though. Forget the EU for a second, and think about how we get young people into a culture of work. The best way is for them to actually work. Someone who's 27 and has never worked is probably never going to work. You need to get people into the culture of work as soon as possible. And the best way to do that is to require a history of NI payments before benefits are payable.

    This would also act as an incentive to young people aged 15, 16 or 17 to work hard at school. If you know there are no government handouts until you've worked, then being qualified to work matters more. And parents - realising they (and not the state) will be subsidising none working young adults are much more likely to give their kids a kick up the arse.
    Absolutely. Tie it in with re-establishment of vocational courses 14-18 and grammar schools, and we may actually progress as a society....

    I agree completely, the problem of course is the Toynbee Tendency who feel that living on benefits should be a lifestyle choice, rather than a lifeline at the expense of people who have got off their backsides and got a job... expect the Guardian to scream blue murder... shame ;)
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    LennonLennon Posts: 1,729

    On the "Should I lay Jowell?" question @RichardN asked (sort of).

    If you make the following assumptions:

    Likelihood of Corbyn being elected 60%
    Likelihood of Jowell being candidate given Corbyn 30%
    Likelihood Jowell wins in this combination 35%
    Likelihood of Jowell being candidate given not Corbyn 70%
    Likelihood Jowell wins in this combination 70%


    The answer is yes, out to 3.85.

    Of course anyone else's opinion on the above could be radically different.

    I'm keeping an eye on the market - which is a lot slower to react than the leadership contest.
    Not sure why there is such a different set of probabilities of Jowell being the candidate given Corbyn | Not Corbyn ?
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    Indigo said:

    One of the best hopes for Labour under Corbyn is surely Scotland, however I can't help but think that SLAB remains a busted flush. I actually see the Tories being beneficiaries in border regions as the SNP might try to out-Corbyn Corbyn.

    Not unless SLAB suddenly becomes a separatist party. People vote for the SNP because they are Nationalists not because they are lefties. I would be willing to bet that if the SNP moved right to somewhere around John Major their vote would hardly change at all.
    I am not convinced that all of the votes SNP picked up from Labour in the GE were down to those people wanting independence. Undoubtedly some, but most of the shift came from SNP completely annihilating SLAB on the political stage.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    China devalues the yuan:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33858433

    I do wonder how the Chinese economy will end up going in the short term, and the impact that might have on foreign policy (particularly the islands to the east, also claimed by Japan/Taiwan, and the southern seas).
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    China devalues the yuan:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33858433

    I do wonder how the Chinese economy will end up going in the short term, and the impact that might have on foreign policy (particularly the islands to the east, also claimed by Japan/Taiwan, and the southern seas).

    China probably a bigger threat to world economic stability than Greece as of now

    Both fooked long term
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    edited August 2015
    Indigo said:

    One of the best hopes for Labour under Corbyn is surely Scotland, however I can't help but think that SLAB remains a busted flush. I actually see the Tories being beneficiaries in border regions as the SNP might try to out-Corbyn Corbyn.

    Not unless SLAB suddenly becomes a separatist party. People vote for the SNP because they are Nationalists not because they are lefties. I would be willing to bet that if the SNP moved right to somewhere around John Major their vote would hardly change at all.
    No doubt a Scottish poster will correct me if I'm wrong. But I rather suspect a number of the SNP's voters are voting for it less because they want independence than because they genuinely believe the SNP is a radical leftist party that will stand up for their interests. Certainly it is difficult to see, otherwise, how they could poll the numbers they do when support for independence hasn't changed much these twelve months.

    Therefore, a Corbyn-led Labour party might spark at least a partial revival - however, the irony is that to do so he would have to bulldoze what's left of SLAB and run it as a branch office from London, as hardly any of the surviving Labour leadership in Scotland support his views.

    Of course, the fact is that the SNP are not particularly left-wing in practice (if they are left wing at all). But as long as they are not seen as part of some 'Establishment stitch up', that's probably good enough for the left wing vote in Scotland against a centrist Labour party.

    (That was also in partial response to @SouthamObserver upthread.)
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,924

    China devalues the yuan:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33858433

    I do wonder how the Chinese economy will end up going in the short term, and the impact that might have on foreign policy (particularly the islands to the east, also claimed by Japan/Taiwan, and the southern seas).

    I think the Kiwi dollar’s also going to go.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Plato said:

    He was. Gert Frobe also playing the King of Vulgaria in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang ...

    Someone mentioned Jonathon Pryce being a weak Bond baddie - I quite agree, he'll always be Sam in Brazil for me.

    Tim_B said:

    Plato said:

    Live And Let Die has IMO the best stunts - the crocs and the barrel roll. Epic.

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    I'm afraid I disagree on Walken as Zorin. I thought his part was poorly written as he's an excellent actor and should have had more to work with. Lee was very good but the film, as you say, was probably the low point of the entire series. Drax I did find credible but the plot was ludicrous (which is a shame as the book is probably the best that Fleming wrote and could have been more-or-less adapted at the time).

    Gert Frobe as Goldfinger was, on the other hand, genuinely chilling. "No, Mr Bond; I expect you to die" is not just a great throwaway line in its own right (one of the few given to a villain), but is entirely believable. Even though the film has weaknesses (the plot device about the toxic spray being switched), it's one one of the best.
    Oddjob was a great baddie. Goldfinger is my favorite. It's the movie where they perfected the formula. It's also the shortest.
    Which was written by Ian Fleming and arguably includes his best villain.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited August 2015
    Public Policy Polling in Iowa post-debate -

    Trump 19%
    Walker 12%
    Carson 12%
    Bush 11%
    Fiorina 10%
    Cruz 9%
    Huckabee and Rubio 6%
    all the rest 3% or lower.

    MOE 3.9%
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    edited August 2015
    Lennon said:

    On the "Should I lay Jowell?" question @RichardN asked (sort of).

    If you make the following assumptions:

    Likelihood of Corbyn being elected 60%
    Likelihood of Jowell being candidate given Corbyn 30%
    Likelihood Jowell wins in this combination 35%
    Likelihood of Jowell being candidate given not Corbyn 70%
    Likelihood Jowell wins in this combination 70%


    The answer is yes, out to 3.85.

    Of course anyone else's opinion on the above could be radically different.

    I'm keeping an eye on the market - which is a lot slower to react than the leadership contest.
    Not sure why there is such a different set of probabilities of Jowell being the candidate given Corbyn | Not Corbyn ?
    Because a Corbyn voter is more likely to back a candidate who is not the Blairite Jowell. And thus, to a certain extent, we would expect Corbyn and not_Jowell to rise and fall together.

    Nick Palmer has argued that the two contests are largely independent.

    But here's another view from Buzzfeed:
    "A shadow cabinet source who backs Jowell said the influx of new Corbyn-supporting members “probably would help” rivals such as Sadiq Khan, David Lammy, and Diane Abbott. All three MPs signed Jeremy Corbyn’s nomination papers to enable him to stand for the leader of the Labour party."

    I think it's true to say new signups who would not have voted otherwise are going to back Corbyn (we know that) and probably not Jowell.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,922

    China devalues the yuan:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33858433

    I do wonder how the Chinese economy will end up going in the short term, and the impact that might have on foreign policy (particularly the islands to the east, also claimed by Japan/Taiwan, and the southern seas).

    China probably a bigger threat to world economic stability than Greece as of now

    Both fooked long term
    China isn't "fucked" long term.

    But it does have a painful transition ahead of it. If you think of an economy having three outlets for economic activity: consumption, investment (also called Gross Capital Formation), and exports. In a normal economy, consumption is probably 60%, investment 20%, and exports+savings 20%.

    In China, Gross Capital Formation is close to 50% of GDP. That is the dominant part of the Chinese economy, not exports. (And it's why people like @SeanT come back amazed: just look at the things the Chinese are building!)

    Because the tenth investment dollar tends to earn a lower return than the first, high levels of Gross Capital Formation usually end in nasty recessions. South Korea, for example, during its mega growth period had two recessions where - each time - 25% was knocked off GDP. Spain, as an aside, had a Gross Capital Formation boom (all those apartments and golf villas in Andalucia) in the run up to the Eurozone crisis.

    Essentially, China needs to rebalance its economy between consumption and investment, with the former rising, and the latter falling. And it will do that. But the transition will likely be extremely painful - for a year or two at least.
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @SimonStClare

    'Looks as though Diane Abbott is a dead cert for Home Secretary… :lol:'

    I thought shadow chancellor was earmarked for her ?

    How long before she starts stabbing Corbyn in the back on This Week ?
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Eunice Huthart

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKytiGyHBCk

    Mr. 1983, indeed, she was rather super.

    Always makes me think of Gladiators, because her stunt woman was Eunice Someoneorother, who absolutely crushed her competitors (and the female Gladiators too, come to think of it).

    That's right I forgot about her!
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    rcs1000 said:

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    This story from the BBC is of considerable significance. If Ministers are considering this option seriously, they have all but given up on renegotiating the terms of British membership of the European Union...

    Vote winner. Tough on welfare and seen to be tough on immigrants. Corbyn and the Guardianistas can protest and protest and protest......
    Why are we waiting?
    The no benefits for British Citizens between the ages of 18 and 22 will cause a shit storm, everyone is going to come out with this or that category of person that cant get money from anywhere else. Children in Care turning 18 springs immediately to mind.
    Labour promised a two year delay in their manifesto, so .....
    Just because Labour were going to behave like a bunch of idiots, its doesn't mean that the Tories should as well ;)
    Welfare rights should be earned by all able bodied adults.
    So you are an able bodied teenager that has been living in care for the past ten years, or an able bodied orphan, and you reach the age of 18, and due to your poor life opportunities, you can't immediately get a job... who is paying for you to live ? If anything there should be a taper between statutory welfare rights at 18 to earned rights at say 25.
    Transitional care relief for vulnerable young adults.

    Problem solved.

    The point TC makes is a good one though. Forget the EU for a second, and think about how we get young people into a culture of work. The best way is for them to actually work. Someone who's 27 and has never worked is probably never going to work. You need to get people into the culture of work as soon as possible. And the best way to do that is to require a history of NI payments before benefits are payable.

    This would also act as an incentive to young people aged 15, 16 or 17 to work hard at school. If you know there are no government handouts until you've worked, then being qualified to work matters more. And parents - realising they (and not the state) will be subsidising none working young adults are much more likely to give their kids a kick up the arse.
    Why is the answer always to penalise those out of work?

    It's not even the only way to incentivise them.

    And that's assuming you think the individuals concerned are the ones who need incentivising, rather than employers.

    We're getting far too close to turning the endless blaming of "the youth of today" into government policy.

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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Donald Trump always makes a big thing out of not needing money as he is very rich.

    I just went to his web site - and there is a donate button!
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Mortimer said:


    Absolutely. Tie it in with re-establishment of vocational courses 14-18 and grammar schools, and we may actually progress as a society....

    Not grammar schools please. Like capital punishment, conscription and a BBC that only broadcasts truth as news, grammar schools belong to a past era that has gone and isn't coming back. What is more there will never be any sensible debate about actually implementing an education system fit for the 21st century all the time some group or another tries to put grammar schools onto the agenda.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    The censors wanted 30 cuts in Thunderball.
    http://www.bbfc.co.uk/sites/default/files/attachments/thunderball-final.pdf

    They were particularly upset that Bond banged the deadly Fiona only for "King and Country"...

    In the end, I think only the mink glove was removed. LOL!
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    LennonLennon Posts: 1,729

    Lennon said:

    On the "Should I lay Jowell?" question @RichardN asked (sort of).

    If you make the following assumptions:

    Likelihood of Corbyn being elected 60%
    Likelihood of Jowell being candidate given Corbyn 30%
    Likelihood Jowell wins in this combination 35%
    Likelihood of Jowell being candidate given not Corbyn 70%
    Likelihood Jowell wins in this combination 70%


    The answer is yes, out to 3.85.

    Of course anyone else's opinion on the above could be radically different.

    I'm keeping an eye on the market - which is a lot slower to react than the leadership contest.
    Not sure why there is such a different set of probabilities of Jowell being the candidate given Corbyn | Not Corbyn ?
    Because a Corbyn voter is more likely to back a candidate who is not the Blairite Jowell. And thus, to a certain extent, we would expect Corbyn and not_Jowell to rise and fall together.

    Nick Palmer has argued that the two contests are largely independent.

    But here's another view from Buzzfeed:
    "A shadow cabinet source who backs Jowell said the influx of new Corbyn-supporting members “probably would help” rivals such as Sadiq Khan, David Lammy, and Diane Abbott. All three MPs signed Jeremy Corbyn’s nomination papers to enable him to stand for the leader of the Labour party."

    I think it's true to say new signups who would not have voted otherwise are going to back Corbyn (we know that) and probably not Jowell.
    I see the logic, I just don't see much evidence of it in practice and would probably hedge more to Nick's perspective. I think that for Mayoral candidates competence / electability matters more than positioning in a way in which it doesn't for leading the party. Maybe this is just that I follow a number of people who are Corbyn / Jowell (or actually Corbyn / Wolmar then Jowell)
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    What about the charisma vacuum who played the villain in For Your Eyes Only? Rubbish.
    That was poor, but I actually quite like Moore in that film.
    Yes. Moore is my favourite Bond. And the Thatcher cameo was entertaining too.

    No, no and thrice no. Moore was generally awful. TSWLM and FYEO were his only two decent films (out of seven), despite the odd moments elsewhere. He's said he never really believed in the role and it shows. To be fair, some of the scripts were dire but he wasn't the only Bond to suffer from that.

    Agree on the Thatcher cameo (not least where she slaps Denis' hand as he nicks a vegetable while she's on the phone). That said, the best closing comedy moment is in TWINE with its double world-class Christmas-Turkey puns (even if it did miss reference to a good stuffing).
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The Child Catcher - Robert Helpmann was a dancer by training, which just added that extra level of impish slight stature malevolence as he sprang around the scenes.

    Plato said:

    He was. Gert Frobe also playing the King of Vulgaria in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang ...

    Someone mentioned Jonathon Pryce being a weak Bond baddie - I quite agree, he'll always be Sam in Brazil for me.

    Tim_B said:

    Plato said:

    Live And Let Die has IMO the best stunts - the crocs and the barrel roll. Epic.

    rcs1000 said:

    OK. We've done favourite Bond actors and movies.

    Now, favourite Bond villains.

    For me:
    Goldfinger
    A View to a Kill (wonderfully played by Christopher Walken)
    And the guy in Skyfall

    Worst? Probably the silly "General" in Licence to Kill.

    EDIT: not, Licence to Kill - that actually had quite a good villain. I'm thinking of the Living Daylights.

    Zorin in AVTAK wins hands down for me. Walken was simply superb. I also love Le Chiffre in Casino Royale. Honorable mentions to Christopher Lee in TMWTGG (a generally weak film) Drax in Moonraker, and Sanchez in LTK.

    I also like Louis Jordan in Octopussy. Sean Bean in Goldeneye is also underrated. Jonathan Pryce didn't quite pull it off for me in TND and Robert Carlyle put in a good performance in TWINE but with a weak script that didn't allow him to show the full extent of his talents.

    The Diamonds are Forever Blofeld was probably a low point for me. Toby Stephens was far too good for the truly awful Die Another Day.
    I'm afraid I disagree on Walken as Zorin. I thought his part was poorly written as he's an excellent actor and should have had more to work with. Lee was very good but the film, as you say, was probably the low point of the entire series. Drax I did find credible but the plot was ludicrous (which is a shame as the book is probably the best that Fleming wrote and could have been more-or-less adapted at the time).

    Gert Frobe as Goldfinger was, on the other hand, genuinely chilling. "No, Mr Bond; I expect you to die" is not just a great throwaway line in its own right (one of the few given to a villain), but is entirely believable. Even though the film has weaknesses (the plot device about the toxic spray being switched), it's one one of the best.
    Oddjob was a great baddie. Goldfinger is my favorite. It's the movie where they perfected the formula. It's also the shortest.
    Which was written by Ian Fleming and arguably includes his best villain.
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    Yes we Khan

    Sadiq Khan was given a boost today when his bid to become London Mayor was backed by former top prosecutor Sir Keir Starmer.

    Mr Khan was hailed as a “dynamic human rights lawyer” by former Director of Public Prosecutions Sir Keir, now MP for Holborn & St Pancras and a rising Labour party star.

    “Sadiq made his name rooting out injustice and righting wrongs,” he said. “He was never afraid to take on powerful vested interests in the government, the police or the prison service. This is precisely what we need in a mayor.”

    http://bit.ly/1El87t2
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,387
    There's a very strong case to be made for tax credits to be used exactly for young people.

    Rather than support an entire generation on those on low pay, where they start simply to subside employers en masse, they should be focussed on those cases where the socially optimal employment of a particular group is higher than the market would otherwise achieve.

    That's going to be new entrants to the market (as per the rules of the NMW), the long term unemployed and those returning to the workforce after a significant time out of it, for example parents.

    Cutting tax credits from 18-22 year olds is going to be immensely counterproductive.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,130
    Tim_B said:

    Donald Trump always makes a big thing out of not needing money as he is very rich.

    I just went to his web site - and there is a donate button!

    I believe this is how you get very rich. You spend other fool's money.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,922


    Why is the answer always to penalise those out of work?

    It's not even the only way to incentivise them.

    And that's assuming you think the individuals concerned are the ones who need incentivising, rather than employers.

    We're getting far too close to turning the endless blaming of "the youth of today" into government policy.

    As a corollary of my "no benefits without NI", I'm very happy to subsidise people to work at the low end. But the point is that there are too many people who don't work, and who are either unemployable, or choose not to work.

    Work is good for you in so many ways. If you work you are less likely to get sick or be depressed. The enforced routine means that you are less likely to develop substance addictions. We need to make sure that our education, and our tax and benefits system encourage work. Today they do not.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 38,916

    Mortimer said:


    Absolutely. Tie it in with re-establishment of vocational courses 14-18 and grammar schools, and we may actually progress as a society....

    Not grammar schools please. Like capital punishment, conscription and a BBC that only broadcasts truth as news, grammar schools belong to a past era that has gone and isn't coming back. What is more there will never be any sensible debate about actually implementing an education system fit for the 21st century all the time some group or another tries to put grammar schools onto the agenda.
    Pretty much my view. It's looking at a solution rather than the problems.

    BTW, are you getting ready for a Scarab SRV? ;)
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Tim_B said:

    Donald Trump always makes a big thing out of not needing money as he is very rich.

    I just went to his web site - and there is a donate button!

    Not needing and not accepting being two different things!

    I'm struggling to read Trump. I'd like to see some three-way polls with him running as an independent, which I'd regard as the most likely way he'll end up on the ballot.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,969
    Mr. Eagles, I do hope Khan doesn't get it. Ethnic quotas in the workplace is indefensible.
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