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    Cyclefree said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

    Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

    It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.

    Typical PB Tory thinking - "I disagree with you, therefore are an idiot!"
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Does JC represent only the direction of Labour travel today? How much further will it be taken by the unions and the motley ragbag of lefties who see JC as a means to “who knows where”? His Syriza types have of course been duped and will have served their purpose come September.

    I give you a selection of powerful communist union voices from the past and one standout maverick from yesterday

    Jack Jones Gen Sec of TGWU (now Unite) 1968-76
    Hugh Scanlon President of AEU (now AEEU) 1968-78
    Arthur Utting Chair of UCATT Executive 1981-83
    Ken Gill Gen Sec of TASS (now MSF) 1974-92, President of TUC 1986
    Ken Cameron Gen Sec FBU 1980-2000
    Alec Kitson Gen Sec SCMU (now YGWU) 1959-71, Dep Gen Sec TGWU 1980-86
    Bob Crow Gen Sec RMT 2002-14

    and a piece from 2009 which looks very prescient now

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/5504213/a-poisoned-legacy-from-which-labour-has-never-quite-recovered/
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited August 2015
    If the ABC candidates for Labour leadership (like Cooper) can't win Labour votes, then they should not claim Corbyn will not win votes.
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    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

    Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

    I assume you're on hols SO ? Anywhere fun ?

    SW France, about an hour from Toulouse. It's stunning. I am reading a superb book: The Discovery of France. I cannot recommend it highly enough. Between that and the scenery and the food and the wine, I am trying to get my head around JC's coming and Labour's death wish. But, I keep telling myself, the Tories look after people like me, so what does it really matter :-)

    Don't miss Carcassonne. Or cassoulet. And read up on the cathars. :-)
    Albigensian Crusade...
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    Sorry I've not read the thread but "effective campaign finance reforms" require the repeal or amendment of the First Amendment right to free speech as interpreted by the Supreme Court. It's not an issue the President can resolve with Congress alone let alone unilaterally.

    This is barking up the wrong tree completely.
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    TOPPING said:

    It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

    For several years I travelled along the M4 at that time in the morning (to the nags) and it became part of my morning routine. Missed it very much when it went, miss it now, can't think why they ditched it. Perhaps to create a space for people to tweet what they think of the shipping forecast.

    On (some kind of topic): Corbyn is indeed thick. He is the worst kind of unthinking heart not head, vituperative, kneejerk, right on (without understanding the underlying issues) d&ckhead that usually is over this phase by the time they are 25.

    And Lab are about to make him leader.

    Fantastic!
    Regrettably it was abolished by a lefty beeboid who heads an Oxford college. Hope his cock drops off.
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cock+flavour+soup+mix&biw=1366&bih=599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI2uOSur2kxwIVy9YaCh3EOgQH

    :lol::lol::lol:
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    YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Cyclefree said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

    Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

    It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.

    He's no idiot. He knows exactly what he's doing.
    </blockquote
    Agreed but Tom Watson will make sure he does it.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,203

    Cyclefree said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

    Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

    It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.

    He's no idiot. He knows exactly what he's doing.
    Yes - and I despise him for it. I think he is dangerous. To Labour. To people like you (and me) who would like to have a social democratic alternative. To those whom such a party can help. To the body politic in the UK.

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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    TOPPING said:

    It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

    For several years I travelled along the M4 at that time in the morning (to the nags) and it became part of my morning routine. Missed it very much when it went, miss it now, can't think why they ditched it. Perhaps to create a space for people to tweet what they think of the shipping forecast.

    On (some kind of topic): Corbyn is indeed thick. He is the worst kind of unthinking heart not head, vituperative, kneejerk, right on (without understanding the underlying issues) d&ckhead that usually is over this phase by the time they are 25.

    And Lab are about to make him leader.

    Fantastic!
    Regrettably it was abolished by a lefty beeboid who heads an Oxford college. Hope his cock drops off.
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cock+flavour+soup+mix&biw=1366&bih=599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI2uOSur2kxwIVy9YaCh3EOgQH

    :lol::lol::lol:
    Fair point.

    I'm all for drying his cock out and pulverising it. :-)

    Good call sunil.
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,006
    Scottish Nationalism is like the Nazis. British nationalism is lovely and should be on the radio more but the BBC are Communists.
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    TOPPING said:

    It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

    For several years I travelled along the M4 at that time in the morning (to the nags) and it became part of my morning routine. Missed it very much when it went, miss it now, can't think why they ditched it. Perhaps to create a space for people to tweet what they think of the shipping forecast.

    On (some kind of topic): Corbyn is indeed thick. He is the worst kind of unthinking heart not head, vituperative, kneejerk, right on (without understanding the underlying issues) d&ckhead that usually is over this phase by the time they are 25.

    And Lab are about to make him leader.

    Fantastic!
    Regrettably it was abolished by a lefty beeboid who heads an Oxford college. Hope his cock drops off.
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cock+flavour+soup+mix&biw=1366&bih=599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI2uOSur2kxwIVy9YaCh3EOgQH

    :lol::lol::lol:
    Fair point.

    I'm all for drying his cock out and pulverising it. :-)

    Good call sunil.
    Unfortunately, I'm a vegetarian :lol:
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    TOPPING said:

    It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

    ...
    On (some kind of topic): Corbyn is indeed thick. He is the worst kind of unthinking heart not head, vituperative, kneejerk, right on (without understanding the underlying issues) d&ckhead that usually is over this phase by the time they are 25.
    And Lab are about to make him leader.
    Fantastic!
    Yes you are completely right - as is SO.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    EPG said:

    Scottish Nationalism is like the Nazis. British nationalism is lovely and should be on the radio more but the BBC are Communists.

    Nationalism ? Socialism ?

    Ah yes, Scotland.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    TOPPING said:

    It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

    For several years I travelled along the M4 at that time in the morning (to the nags) and it became part of my morning routine. Missed it very much when it went, miss it now, can't think why they ditched it. Perhaps to create a space for people to tweet what they think of the shipping forecast.

    On (some kind of topic): Corbyn is indeed thick. He is the worst kind of unthinking heart not head, vituperative, kneejerk, right on (without understanding the underlying issues) d&ckhead that usually is over this phase by the time they are 25.

    And Lab are about to make him leader.

    Fantastic!
    Regrettably it was abolished by a lefty beeboid who heads an Oxford college. Hope his cock drops off.
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cock+flavour+soup+mix&biw=1366&bih=599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI2uOSur2kxwIVy9YaCh3EOgQH

    :lol::lol::lol:
    Fair point.

    I'm all for drying his cock out and pulverising it. :-)

    Good call sunil.
    Unfortunately, I'm a vegetarian :lol:
    I know several male people who are vegetables.......
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited August 2015
    Scott_P said:

    These people deserve to lose...

    @TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY

    Oh dear, is this really all there is to Yvette’s much trailed big fight-back?

    Isn’t the problem for Burnham and Cooper that they are the ones who can’t win enough votes?
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    TOPPING said:

    It's coming up to 10 years since the BBC killed the UK theme tune on Radio 4, I really enjoyed it first thing in the morning.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF7kzj4lCnE

    For several years I travelled along the M4 at that time in the morning (to the nags) and it became part of my morning routine. Missed it very much when it went, miss it now, can't think why they ditched it. Perhaps to create a space for people to tweet what they think of the shipping forecast.

    On (some kind of topic): Corbyn is indeed thick. He is the worst kind of unthinking heart not head, vituperative, kneejerk, right on (without understanding the underlying issues) d&ckhead that usually is over this phase by the time they are 25.

    And Lab are about to make him leader.

    Fantastic!
    Regrettably it was abolished by a lefty beeboid who heads an Oxford college. Hope his cock drops off.
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cock+flavour+soup+mix&biw=1366&bih=599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI2uOSur2kxwIVy9YaCh3EOgQH

    :lol::lol::lol:
    Fair point.

    I'm all for drying his cock out and pulverising it. :-)

    Good call sunil.
    Unfortunately, I'm a vegetarian :lol:
    Oxbridge types are vegetables.

    Just saying. ;-)
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,403
    edited August 2015

    EPG said:

    Scottish Nationalism is like the Nazis. British nationalism is lovely and should be on the radio more but the BBC are Communists.

    Nationalism ? Socialism ?

    Ah yes, Scotland.
    Unfair, you can have rational fact based discussions with some (neo) Nazis.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    The tory supporter who has 3 votes in the labour leadership election is on radio 5 in the next half hour.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    EPG said:

    Scottish Nationalism is like the Nazis. British nationalism is lovely and should be on the radio more but the BBC are Communists.

    Nationalism ? Socialism ?

    Ah yes, Scotland.
    Unfair, you can some rational fact based discussions with some (neo) Nazis.
    The Natsies have their views, but it's rarely a discussion.
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    EPG said:

    Scottish Nationalism is like the Nazis. British nationalism is lovely and should be on the radio more but the BBC are Communists.

    Nationalism ? Socialism ?

    Ah yes, Scotland.
    "Denn alles Fleisch es ist wie Gras"
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,203

    Cyclefree said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.



    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

    Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

    It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.

    Typical PB Tory thinking - "I disagree with you, therefore are an idiot!"


    I am not a Tory, PB or otherwise. I suggest you look up the history of the phrase "useful idiot" before opining. It was used by Lenin about fellow travellers who could be used by him to achieve his ends and then be discarded.

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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Labour has never been so far from reality in a generation and is losing its connection with large parts of the voter population, according to Jon Cruddas, who ran Ed Miliband’s policy review.

    The comments represent a blistering critique of the leadership election, which has all but abandoned discussion about why the party lost the general election. Instead it has concentrated on soft-focus appeals for the support of hardcore Labour voters unrepresentative of the wider public.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4525782.ece
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    rullkorullko Posts: 161
    Cooper says Corbyn is unelectable. I'm glad someone's finally had the balls to make that criticism of him.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    edited August 2015

    EPG said:

    Scottish Nationalism is like the Nazis. British nationalism is lovely and should be on the radio more but the BBC are Communists.

    Nationalism ? Socialism ?

    Ah yes, Scotland.
    "Denn alles Fleisch es ist wie Gras"
    well all meat does decay so vegetarians indirectly eat meet,

    ask eagles he's often come to grips with a large cock and would recommend it.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    rullko said:

    Cooper says Corbyn is unelectable. I'm glad someone's finally had the balls to make that criticism of him.

    and cooper is ?
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    I can only assume Labour are trying to lull the Tories into a false sense of security, then in January 2020 replace Corbyn with Dan Jarvis or Sir Keir Starmer
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,057
    Cyclefree said:

    I am not a Tory, PB or otherwise. I suggest you look up the history of the phrase "useful idiot" before opining. It was used by Lenin about fellow travellers who could be used by him to achieve his ends and then be discarded.

    An interesting interview on the subject from a KGB defector:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kHiUAjTvQ
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    John Mann on Newsnight making a proposal that PBers were talking about weeks ago: get just one candidate to stand against Corbyn.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    I can only assume Labour are trying to lull the Tories into a false sense of security, then in January 2020 replace Corbyn with Dan Jarvis or Sir Keir Starmer

    On current trends it will be Rolf Harris,
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Cyclefree said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.

    Thr thing about Corbyn is that he is a true believer, a fundamentalist. He has a world view and it has not changed. He sees everything through the prism of class and he sees the British state as the enemy. Labour is about to elect a leader that believes the country he is supposed to want to lead is wicked. It is quite extraordinary and a terrible condemnation of both Burnham and Cooper. Their total inadequacy has been exposed and the one good thing to come out of this complete mess is that both of their political careers will be over.

    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

    Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

    It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.
    He's no idiot. He knows exactly what he's doing.
    I see your point - but the point about a useful idiot is that they 'think' they know exactly what they are doing but in fact they are blind to reality and merely add their weight to the sly plotting of the Stalins of this world.
    Corbyn is just another Tony Benn, he is quite happy to rationalise the real world upside down to keep his view of it unsullied.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,403
    edited August 2015

    I can only assume Labour are trying to lull the Tories into a false sense of security, then in January 2020 replace Corbyn with Dan Jarvis or Sir Keir Starmer

    On current trends it will be Rolf Harris,
    Edited - On taste grounds
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    SeanT said:

    Are we about to discover exactly what influence Jews have over leftwing British political life?

    If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/142144/the-key-questions-jeremy-corbyn-must-answer

    The JC has asked some very worrying questions.

    Corbyn appears to be a thoroughly unpleasant individual.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Scott_P said:

    Labour has never been so far from reality in a generation and is losing its connection with large parts of the voter population, according to Jon Cruddas, who ran Ed Miliband’s policy review.

    The comments represent a blistering critique of the leadership election, which has all but abandoned discussion about why the party lost the general election. Instead it has concentrated on soft-focus appeals for the support of hardcore Labour voters unrepresentative of the wider public.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4525782.ece

    Labour was doing that before the election too though. It just mixed that message with nominal appeals to the centre. That was why its message, policy and positioning was so incoherent.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    The tory supporter who has 3 votes in the labour leadership election is on radio 5 in the next half hour.

    Legitimate votes?
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,203
    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.



    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

    Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

    It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.

    Typical PB Tory thinking - "I disagree with you, therefore are an idiot!"


    I am not a Tory, PB or otherwise. I suggest you look up the history of the phrase "useful idiot" before opining. It was used by Lenin about fellow travellers who could be used by him to achieve his ends and then be discarded.

    I suspect Sunil, the most decorous, mild mannered and amiable of PB-ers, is merely joshing.
    Well I'm not. Corbyn's election - if it happens - will give heart to a lot of nasty groups who do not care about the best interests of Britain or the people in it
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    I can only assume Labour are trying to lull the Tories into a false sense of security, then in January 2020 replace Corbyn with Dan Jarvis or Sir Keir Starmer

    On current trends it will be Rolf Harris,
    Edited - On taste grounds
    if it wasn't for that pesky eagles i;d have gotten away with it ....
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    AndyJS said:

    John Mann on Newsnight making a proposal that PBers were talking about weeks ago: get just one candidate to stand against Corbyn.

    Except it now appears JC will beat any of them
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @janemerrick23: Angela Eagle tells #Newsnight Tony Blair is being "unhelpful" using "apocalyptic language"

    Literally, "Calm Down, dear"
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    Fox 2/Mitchell- Michigan Republican Primary
    Trump 20%
    Fiorina 15%
    Bush 12%
    Carson 12%
    Rubio 10%
    Cruz 8%
    Kasich 8%
    Walker 4%
    Huckabee 4%
    Christie 4%
    Paul 2%

    Who won the debate?
    Trump 21%
    Rubio 14%
    Carson 10%
    Cruz 8%
    Kasich 8%
    Bush 5%
    Huckabee 4%
    Walker 3%
    Christie 2%
    Paul 1%
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Mitchell_Poll_Michigan_GOP_Primary_Voters_8-10-15.pdf
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    SeanT said:

    Are we about to discover exactly what influence Jews have over leftwing British political life?

    If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/142144/the-key-questions-jeremy-corbyn-must-answer

    Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    Cyclefree said:

    SeanT said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Greetings from the midi-Pyrenees, where the night heat is heavy and we are waiting on storms.



    Isn't he just being a lefty ?

    can't see why you're excited it's what the rest of us see.

    Yep, he's a walking lefty cliche obsessed with the struggle and hard-wired to support any cause or country that he believes will discomfit the British state and the US. That's why the IRA and Hamas are his friends. There's nothing new in any of it. It's the 1980s all over again. For him Labour is a cause, a movement; he has no interest in power and would reject it if - as it does - it leads to any kind of compromise. Sadly, his election is the last nail in the UK's coffin. No wonder the SNP is cheering him on.

    It's not just the 1980's. It's the 1930's. Orwell had the measure of people like JC. One of Lenin's useful idiots. One of Putin's useful idiots. One of Hamas's useful idiots. An idiot in any case.

    Typical PB Tory thinking - "I disagree with you, therefore are an idiot!"


    I am not a Tory, PB or otherwise. I suggest you look up the history of the phrase "useful idiot" before opining. It was used by Lenin about fellow travellers who could be used by him to achieve his ends and then be discarded.

    I suspect Sunil, the most decorous, mild mannered and amiable of PB-ers, is merely joshing.
    Well I'm not. Corbyn's election - if it happens - will give heart to a lot of nasty groups who do not care about the best interests of Britain or the people in it
    how's that different to labour ?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Let the pogrom commence...

    @LatteLabour: If Corbyn wins, that's the easy bit. We need a PLP that stands up for the majority, not the millionaires. And that will mean deselections.
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    I can only assume Labour are trying to lull the Tories into a false sense of security, then in January 2020 replace Corbyn with Dan Jarvis or Sir Keir Starmer

    On current trends it will be Rolf Harris,
    Edited - On taste grounds
    if it wasn't for that pesky eagles i;d have gotten away with it ....
    It was my comment that I thought on reflection might shock you.

    Since it is the lagershed, here's a more tasteful joke.

    An Irish daughter had not been home for over 5 years. Upon her return, her Father cursed her heavily.

    'Where have ye been all this time, child? Why did ye not write to us, not even a line? Why didn't ye call? Can ye not understand what ye put yer old Mother through?'

    The girl, crying, replied, Dad... I became a prostitute.'

    'Ye what!? Get out a here, ye shameless harlot! Sinner! You're a disgrace to this Catholic family.'

    'OK, Dad... as ye wish. I only came back to give mum this luxurious fur coat, title deed to a ten bedroom mansion, plus a 5 million savings certificate. For me little brother, this gold Rolex. And for ye Daddy, the sparkling new Mercedes limited edition convertible that's parked outside plus a membership to the country club ... (takes a breath) ... and an invitation for ye all to spend New Year's Eve on board my new yacht in the Riviera.'

    'What was it ye said ye had become?' says Dad.

    Girl, crying again, 'A prostitute, Daddy!.'

    'Oh! My Goodness! Ye scared me half to death, girl! I thought ye said a Protestant! Come here and give yer old Dad a hug !
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    edited August 2015
    When would be the first PMQs with the new Labour leader? If it's Corbyn, that has to be compulsory viewing.

    If it's any of the others, I expect Cameron will answer every question with 'Yeah, but what does Jeremy think?'
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    EPG said:

    Scottish Nationalism is like the Nazis. British nationalism is lovely and should be on the radio more but the BBC are Communists.

    Nationalism ? Socialism ?

    Ah yes, Scotland.
    "Denn alles Fleisch es ist wie Gras"
    well all meat does decay so vegetarians indirectly eat meet,

    ask eagles he's often come to grips with a large cock and would recommend it.
    Alan!

    You missed the fact that "Denn alles Fleisch" is the theme music to "The SNP: A Warning From History"!

    Episode 3: "The Wrong Referendum Result" is about to start on the Yesterday Channel (Freeview 12, SKY 537) at 11pm!
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    edited August 2015
    Sean

    "If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."

    If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone puts them right
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754

    I can only assume Labour are trying to lull the Tories into a false sense of security, then in January 2020 replace Corbyn with Dan Jarvis or Sir Keir Starmer

    On current trends it will be Rolf Harris,
    Edited - On taste grounds
    if it wasn't for that pesky eagles i;d have gotten away with it ....
    It was my comment that I thought on reflection might shock you.

    Since it is the lagershed, here's a more tasteful joke.

    An Irish daughter had not been home for over 5 years. Upon her return, her Father cursed her heavily.

    'Where have ye been all this time, child? Why did ye not write to us, not even a line? Why didn't ye call? Can ye not understand what ye put yer old Mother through?'

    The girl, crying, replied, Dad... I became a prostitute.'

    'Ye what!? Get out a here, ye shameless harlot! Sinner! You're a disgrace to this Catholic family.'

    'OK, Dad... as ye wish. I only came back to give mum this luxurious fur coat, title deed to a ten bedroom mansion, plus a 5 million savings certificate. For me little brother, this gold Rolex. And for ye Daddy, the sparkling new Mercedes limited edition convertible that's parked outside plus a membership to the country club ... (takes a breath) ... and an invitation for ye all to spend New Year's Eve on board my new yacht in the Riviera.'

    'What was it ye said ye had become?' says Dad.

    Girl, crying again, 'A prostitute, Daddy!.'

    'Oh! My Goodness! Ye scared me half to death, girl! I thought ye said a Protestant! Come here and give yer old Dad a hug !
    do you know the ladies in my family ?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Can we get Shadsy to put up a market on whether the Tories will ban champagne at their conference this year?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,922
    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: Angela Eagle tells #Newsnight Tony Blair is being "unhelpful" using "apocalyptic language"

    Literally, "Calm Down, dear"

    "I am a 21 year old mixed race girl who spends Saturday night debating politics online with 70 year old men..."
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    kle4 said:

    When would be the first PMQs with the new Labour leader? If it's Corbyn, that has to be compulsory viewing.

    If it's any of the others, I expect Cameron will answer every question with 'Yeah, but what does Jeremy think?'

    The new leader's first PMQ's would be September the 16th
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    AndyJS said:

    John Mann on Newsnight making a proposal that PBers were talking about weeks ago: get just one candidate to stand against Corbyn.

    This would require the PLP to nominate one candidate again to stand against someone who the PLP did not want to nominate in the first place.
    These people then expect us to believe they can run the country!
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,754
    Roger said:

    Sean

    "If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."

    If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone tells them they're mistaken

    whereas with labour it;s hamas ?
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    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    Are we about to discover exactly what influence Jews have over leftwing British political life?

    If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/142144/the-key-questions-jeremy-corbyn-must-answer

    Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
    But an even bigger Asian population? I should know, been living here since the late 1970s.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Was it really necessary for Evan Davis to use the word "pussy" on Newsnight? I'm watching with an older member of the family. Bit embarrassing.
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited August 2015
    I see one of the 'nasties' mentioned down thread made a brief appearance, before tonights mod caught up with him.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    The conservative member who has 3 votes in the labour leadership,he's got the 3 votes by using,his name,his middle name and his wife's name and no check up's,plus using same address.
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    Roger said:

    Sean

    "If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."

    If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone tells them they're mistaken

    whereas with labour it;s hamas ?
    Never really a houmus fan, more a Falafel man :)
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    Roger said:

    Sean

    "If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."

    If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone puts them right

    Do you understand the difference between Jews and Israelis?
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    Are we about to discover exactly what influence Jews have over leftwing British political life?

    If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/142144/the-key-questions-jeremy-corbyn-must-answer

    Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
    But an even bigger Asian population? I should know, been living here since the late 1970s.
    It's so close in Ilford North that every vote counts so even if the Jewish population is 5% and dropping it could still be important. Labour has probably already mopped up most of the Asian votes up for grabs.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Scott_P said:

    These people deserve to lose...

    @TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY

    If Labour cared or believed her, he wouldn't be where he is. The reasonhe is is because he is saying things that people agree strongly with. Can anyone remember any reason at all that Cooper has given as to why the selectorate should choose her?
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    isam said:

    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: Angela Eagle tells #Newsnight Tony Blair is being "unhelpful" using "apocalyptic language"

    Literally, "Calm Down, dear"

    "I am a 21 year old mixed race girl who spends Saturday night debating politics online with 70 year old men..."
    You've met my girlfriend?
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Scott_P said:

    These people deserve to lose...

    @TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY

    If Labour cared or believed her, he wouldn't be where he is. The reasonhe is is because he is saying things that people agree strongly with. Can anyone remember any reason at all that Cooper has given as to why the selectorate should choose her?

    "selectorate" - lovely word, typo or deliberate?

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    Scott_P said:

    These people deserve to lose...

    @TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY

    If Labour cared or believed her, he wouldn't be where he is. The reasonhe is is because he is saying things that people agree strongly with. Can anyone remember any reason at all that Cooper has given as to why the selectorate should choose her?

    "selectorate" - lovely word, typo or deliberate?

    Is a word Mike's been using more and more

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/08/11/by-this-time-next-week-a-large-part-of-labours-selectorate-will-have-cast-their-votes/
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    The Jewish population of Ilford North was 6.5% at Census 2011. Hindus 11.9%, Muslims 15.3%, Sikhs 4.2%, No Religion 12.6%. Christians a plurality at 41.5%.
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    rullkorullko Posts: 161

    rullko said:

    Cooper says Corbyn is unelectable. I'm glad someone's finally had the balls to make that criticism of him.

    and cooper is ?
    Dunno. She mainly just talks about him.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,925
    Corbyn is like a giant crystal ball.

    Everyone is seeing what they want in him

    For the hard left that's a chance to take over the Labour party.

    For Tories it's eternal re-election.

    For PBTories it's lots of money.

    For Blairites its DOOM DOOOOOOOOOOM DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM !!!
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Roger said:

    Sean

    "If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."

    If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone puts them right

    ...and hopefully if the other JC has his way, boycott of Israel will become official Labour policy.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Sorry I've not read the thread but "effective campaign finance reforms" require the repeal or amendment of the First Amendment right to free speech as interpreted by the Supreme Court. It's not an issue the President can resolve with Congress alone let alone unilaterally.
    This is barking up the wrong tree completely.

    Yes - you make a good point. The USA is governed by sitting on a three legged stool. I am bound to say I think a lot on nonsense is regularly spoken on here by people who think they know about the nuances of US politics. 8 years ago it was all about how Obama would never be elected because he was not 'natural born' blah blah blah etc... This time it all Hillary's emails. Give me strength!
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    TSE: "Do you want a drink?"

    Sunil: "Got any Quorn?"

    TSE: "If you want!" [He also takes a bottle of meat from the fridge].

    Sunil: "Meat...? Ugh!"

    TSE: "It's what Ian Rush drinks."

    Sunil: "Ian Rush?"

    TSE: "Yeah, an' he says if I don't drink lots of meat, when I grow up I'm only gonna be good enough to play for Accrington Stanley!"

    Sunil: "Accrington Stanley? Who are they?"

    TSE: "Exactly!"


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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    AndyJS said:

    The tory supporter who has 3 votes in the labour leadership election is on radio 5 in the next half hour.

    Legitimate votes?
    Absolutely - the central principle is you get what you pay for.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    RodCrosby said:



    Roger said:

    Sean

    "If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."

    If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone puts them right

    ...and hopefully if the other JC has his way, boycott of Israel will become official Labour policy.
    boycott the only civilised liberal democracy in the region?
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    It seems to me that a fundamental problem with this whole Labour election is that they failed to establish the (s)electorate in advance of the candidates being nominated/declared. Whilst it is possible that there might have been some "entryism" anyway, i think it would have been on a far. And "entryism" is anyway an inaccurate term to describe what is happening - the point is that people are not signing up because they want a vote for the next Labour leader, they are signing up because they want to vote for Corbyn (or what he represents). Whilst the non JC candidates have come in for a lot of criticism i think it is fair to say that they have been extremely handicapped by the system. It is clear that they can only really appeal (in the context of this election) to the traditional Labour electorate (few from outside are going to sign up just to vote for them). Whereas Corbyn is able to pitch his campaign at a far wider population and (in the context of a small electorate) can win simply by bringing people in from outside (and who have no interest in the Labour Party as a political organisation). We keep hearing people saying that the Labour party and its supporters will step back from the abyss, but the point is that it is not the Labour Party that is voting in this election, so no matter how much "the Labour Party" "comes to its senses", Corbyn will still win anyway.
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: Angela Eagle tells #Newsnight Tony Blair is being "unhelpful" using "apocalyptic language"

    Literally, "Calm Down, dear"

    Given that in the last four months, two political parties - Scottish Labour and the Lib Dems - have experienced apocalyptic results, she shouldn't rule out the possibility that GB Labour could suffer a similar fate. Labour's core vote is much lower now than in 1983 (as is every major party's) and there are more alternatives.
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    notme said:

    RodCrosby said:



    Roger said:

    Sean

    "If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."

    If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone puts them right

    ...and hopefully if the other JC has his way, boycott of Israel will become official Labour policy.
    boycott the only civilised liberal democracy in the region?
    I'm sure shills for South Africa said the same in the 1970s...
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    AndyJS said:

    Was it really necessary for Evan Davis to use the word "pussy" on Newsnight? I'm watching with an older member of the family. Bit embarrassing.

    Mrs Slocombe where are you when we need you?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    Are we about to discover exactly what influence Jews have over leftwing British political life?

    If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/142144/the-key-questions-jeremy-corbyn-must-answer

    Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
    But an even bigger Asian population? I should know, been living here since the late 1970s.
    Under JC I would expect Labour to gain more of the Muslim vote, but lose - as they are already doing - more of the Sikh and Hindu vote (and entirely forsake the Jewish vote).

    I imagine he'd be voter-neutral for Black Brits, and might gain a few Scots.

    He would of course make most white English voters puke into their shoes, and therefore lose the election by a distance.
    Yougov has Corbyn with a +7% rating in Scotland but a -4% rating in England and Wales
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/jvcr8gkvrb/SundayTimesResults_150724_W.pdf
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    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    Are we about to discover exactly what influence Jews have over leftwing British political life?

    If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/142144/the-key-questions-jeremy-corbyn-must-answer

    Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
    But an even bigger Asian population? I should know, been living here since the late 1970s.
    Under JC I would expect Labour to gain more of the Muslim vote, but lose - as they are already doing - more of the Sikh and Hindu vote (and entirely forsake the Jewish vote).

    I imagine he'd be voter-neutral for Black Brits, and might gain a few Scots.

    He would of course make most white English voters puke into their shoes, and therefore lose the election by a distance.
    Yougov has Corbyn with a +7% rating in Scotland but a -4% rating in England and Wales
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/jvcr8gkvrb/SundayTimesResults_150724_W.pdf
    You do realise with the small Scottish sample size, the margin of error on the Scottish element is approaching 10%?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    AndyJS said:

    Was it really necessary for Evan Davis to use the word "pussy" on Newsnight? I'm watching with an older member of the family. Bit embarrassing.

    It was a piece on Tinder! Perhaps that was the clue that "not suitable for grandma".
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Scott_P said:

    These people deserve to lose...

    @TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY

    If Labour cared or believed her, he wouldn't be where he is. The reasonhe is is because he is saying things that people agree strongly with. Can anyone remember any reason at all that Cooper has given as to why the selectorate should choose her?

    "selectorate" - lovely word, typo or deliberate?

    Deliberate choice but the word's been around for a while; it's not mine.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,208

    Scott_P said:

    These people deserve to lose...

    @TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY

    If Labour cared or believed her, he wouldn't be where he is. The reasonhe is is because he is saying things that people agree strongly with. Can anyone remember any reason at all that Cooper has given as to why the selectorate should choose her?
    I've bet heavily on her.
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    RodCrosby said:



    Roger said:

    Sean

    "If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."

    If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone puts them right

    ...and hopefully if the other JC has his way, boycott of Israel will become official Labour policy.
    Do you know Corbyn from one of your weekend 'conferences'?
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419
    RodCrosby said:

    notme said:

    RodCrosby said:



    Roger said:

    Sean

    "If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea."

    If the JC believe that the UK should go down the US route of making it a prerequisite of standing for office that you show total reverance towards Israel and all its actions then I hope someone puts them right

    ...and hopefully if the other JC has his way, boycott of Israel will become official Labour policy.
    boycott the only civilised liberal democracy in the region?
    I'm sure shills for South Africa said the same in the 1970s...
    The question would be why Israel and not any of the other countries in the region that have worse - in some cases *far* worse - human rights records.
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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    I think the Blairites have been going far too strong on "electability". They should spend far more time focussing/banging the drum on what they see as their achievements. Also simply dismissing Corbyn for being "unelectable" helps him because it fails to address the weaknesses in his policies. It allows a message to build up that Blairite policies aren't good in themselves, but are simply a means to being elected, whereas Corbyn's policies are what the country needs, if only the electorate can be convinced to give them a fair hearing.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    Watford

    " Do you understand the difference between Jews and Israelis? "

    Yes I do despite the efforts of the JC and others in the so called Jewish comunity to conflate the two.
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    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: Angela Eagle tells #Newsnight Tony Blair is being "unhelpful" using "apocalyptic language"

    Literally, "Calm Down, dear"

    Given that in the last four months, two political parties - Scottish Labour and the Lib Dems - have experienced apocalyptic results, she shouldn't rule out the possibility that GB Labour could suffer a similar fate. Labour's core vote is much lower now than in 1983 (as is every major party's) and there are more alternatives.
    Stuff and nonsense!

    Ed Miliband won MORE seats at GE2015 than Foot did at GE1983 or Kinnock did at GE1987!
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,208
    HYUFD said:

    Fox 2/Mitchell- Michigan Republican Primary
    Trump 20%
    Fiorina 15%
    Bush 12%
    Carson 12%
    Rubio 10%
    Cruz 8%
    Kasich 8%
    Walker 4%
    Huckabee 4%
    Christie 4%
    Paul 2%

    Who won the debate?
    Trump 21%
    Rubio 14%
    Carson 10%
    Cruz 8%
    Kasich 8%
    Bush 5%
    Huckabee 4%
    Walker 3%
    Christie 2%
    Paul 1%
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Mitchell_Poll_Michigan_GOP_Primary_Voters_8-10-15.pdf

    Go Fiorina!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,403
    edited August 2015
    I thought only dressing up as a cat was the only way George Galloway could make me smile

    https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/631591741733359617
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,419

    Scott_P said:

    These people deserve to lose...

    @TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY

    If Labour cared or believed her, he wouldn't be where he is. The reasonhe is is because he is saying things that people agree strongly with. Can anyone remember any reason at all that Cooper has given as to why the selectorate should choose her?
    I've bet heavily on her.
    That doesn't answer the question.
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Scott_P said:

    These people deserve to lose...

    @TheSun: Labour battle gets dirty as Cooper blasts Corbyn as "unelectable http://t.co/qpszL71CLJ http://t.co/Tr64KCYJFY

    If Labour cared or believed her, he wouldn't be where he is. The reasonhe is is because he is saying things that people agree strongly with. Can anyone remember any reason at all that Cooper has given as to why the selectorate should choose her?

    "selectorate" - lovely word, typo or deliberate?

    Deliberate choice but the word's been around for a while; it's not mine.
    Its a poor word. The 'selectorate' if there is one is the PLP who have made a total horlicks, from their point of view, of the selection process. They did not want to nominate Corbyn, he has no natural constituency on the PLP - he could not have got the 35 votes necessary except for gifts from MPs who will not vote for him and do not want him. The electorate are the now voting from the options made available.
    From top to bottom its a totally bonkers system. I could almost feel sorry for them. Almost.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,208
    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    Are we about to discover exactly what influence Jews have over leftwing British political life?

    If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/142144/the-key-questions-jeremy-corbyn-must-answer

    Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
    But an even bigger Asian population? I should know, been living here since the late 1970s.
    Under JC I would expect Labour to gain more of the Muslim vote, but lose - as they are already doing - more of the Sikh and Hindu vote (and entirely forsake the Jewish vote).

    I imagine he'd be voter-neutral for Black Brits, and might gain a few Scots.

    He would of course make most white English voters puke into their shoes, and therefore lose the election by a distance.
    Yougov has Corbyn with a +7% rating in Scotland but a -4% rating in England and Wales
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/jvcr8gkvrb/SundayTimesResults_150724_W.pdf
    I doubt - even now - if more than 5% of British voters have a clue what Jez Corbyn historically believes, and supports, and espouses, from the IRA to Hamas.

    Once he is elected, the media will go to town on him. He represents the biggest target for the Tory redtops since Michael Foot fisted that underaged Jewish gerbil on Jim'll Fix It (which never actually happened, so this is worse). Corbyn will not survive this onslaught as an electable figure. He will emerge with a core support of 20-25%, is my guess, and would achieve that at a GE.
    Interesting to note that the papers have kept their powder well dry on Corbyn.
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    I thought only dressing up as a cat was the only way George Galloway could make me smile

    https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/631591741733359617

    Gorgeous.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820

    Edited - On taste grounds

    Well that's a first.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,891
    edited August 2015
    Notme

    "boycott the only civilised liberal democracy in the region?"

    With 2,000,000 people in the illegally occupied territories without a vote?

    Interesting concept of a liberal deocracy
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited August 2015
    Roger said:

    Watford

    " Do you understand the difference between Jews and Israelis? "

    Yes I do despite the efforts of the JC and others in the so called Jewish comunity to conflate the two.

    The Jewish community and the JC do not need to do that when there are countless extremists using the two words interchangeably. A significant number of people who rant about zionists are just using it as a cover for anti-semitism.

    Would you say there is a "Jewish conspiracy" to confuse the two words?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,989
    edited August 2015
    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    Are we about to discover exactly what influence Jews have over leftwing British political life?

    If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/142144/the-key-questions-jeremy-corbyn-must-answer

    Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
    But an even bigger Asian population? I should know, been living here since the late 1970s.
    Under JC I would expect Labour to gain more of the Muslim vote, but lose - as they are already doing - more of the Sikh and Hindu vote (and entirely forsake the Jewish vote).

    I imagine he'd be voter-neutral for Black Brits, and might gain a few Scots.

    He would of course make most white English voters puke into their shoes, and therefore lose the election by a distance.
    Yougov has Corbyn with a +7% rating in Scotland but a -4% rating in England and Wales
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/jvcr8gkvrb/SundayTimesResults_150724_W.pdf
    I doubt - even now - if more than 5% of British voters have a clue what Jez Corbyn historically believes, and supports, and espouses, from the IRA to Hamas.

    Once he is elected, the media will go to town on him. He represents the biggest target for the Tory redtops since Michael Foot fisted that underaged Jewish gerbil on Jim'll Fix It (which never actually happened, so this is worse). Corbyn will not survive this onslaught as an electable figure. He will emerge with a core support of 20-25%, is my guess, and would achieve that at a GE.
    Corbyn will poll relatively well in Scotland and London and inner cities, he will poll terribly in the South and Midlands and in the North and Wales about the same as Miliband. He will probably get about 25-30% at worst UK wide, but could take Labour's share up to 30-35% in Scotland
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    flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: Angela Eagle tells #Newsnight Tony Blair is being "unhelpful" using "apocalyptic language"

    Literally, "Calm Down, dear"

    Given that in the last four months, two political parties - Scottish Labour and the Lib Dems - have experienced apocalyptic results, she shouldn't rule out the possibility that GB Labour could suffer a similar fate. Labour's core vote is much lower now than in 1983 (as is every major party's) and there are more alternatives.
    Stuff and nonsense!

    Ed Miliband won MORE seats at GE2015 than Foot did at GE1983 or Kinnock did at GE1987!
    How many more seats did he win than Gordon Brown in 2010?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,208
    Cooper now out at 12s
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited August 2015
    alex. said:

    I think the Blairites have been going far too strong on "electability". They should spend far more time focussing/banging the drum on what they see as their achievements. Also simply dismissing Corbyn for being "unelectable" helps him because it fails to address the weaknesses in his policies. It allows a message to build up that Blairite policies aren't good in themselves, but are simply a means to being elected, whereas Corbyn's policies are what the country needs, if only the electorate can be convinced to give them a fair hearing.

    But this gets to one of the big ironies: it's actually "the Left" who are most defending the Blair government's achievements that came about through spending, because the centrists have so capitulated to Austerity.

    Since they're now not even willing to make the argument that state spending can alleviate social problems, and they still insist that any criticisms of capitalism are "anti-business", the Blairites have literally nothing to say apart from meaningless guff about "devolution".
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,725
    edited August 2015

    SeanT said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    Are we about to discover exactly what influence Jews have over leftwing British political life?

    If the Jewish Chronicle has its way, Corbyn will be run out of town, and then dumped in the sea.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/142144/the-key-questions-jeremy-corbyn-must-answer

    Labour can probably kiss goodbye to winning seats like Hendon and Finchley if Corbyn is elected leader. They might lose Ilford North where there is still a significant Jewish population.
    But an even bigger Asian population? I should know, been living here since the late 1970s.
    Under JC I would expect Labour to gain more of the Muslim vote, but lose - as they are already doing - more of the Sikh and Hindu vote (and entirely forsake the Jewish vote).

    I imagine he'd be voter-neutral for Black Brits, and might gain a few Scots.

    He would of course make most white English voters puke into their shoes, and therefore lose the election by a distance.
    Yougov has Corbyn with a +7% rating in Scotland but a -4% rating in England and Wales
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/jvcr8gkvrb/SundayTimesResults_150724_W.pdf
    I doubt - even now - if more than 5% of British voters have a clue what Jez Corbyn historically believes, and supports, and espouses, from the IRA to Hamas.

    Once he is elected, the media will go to town on him. He represents the biggest target for the Tory redtops since Michael Foot fisted that underaged Jewish gerbil on Jim'll Fix It (which never actually happened, so this is worse). Corbyn will not survive this onslaught as an electable figure. He will emerge with a core support of 20-25%, is my guess, and would achieve that at a GE.
    Interesting to note that the papers have kept their powder well dry on Corbyn.
    For now, it's for Labour to fire the biggest shots as it's an internal party matter, even for Labour supporting papers. If he becomes LOTO on the other hand, a PM in waiting, in theory, then it's time to let loose.

    A good night to all.

    PS As a southerner, I do wonder who in Labour might appeal most to the South, or what they have to do to appeal more - with the LDs falling away, someone has to at least provide some challenge to the Tories down here, even if competing for seats is unlikely any time soon, and Labour may as well try to plant some seeds of recovery.
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    Scott_P said:

    @janemerrick23: Angela Eagle tells #Newsnight Tony Blair is being "unhelpful" using "apocalyptic language"

    Literally, "Calm Down, dear"

    Given that in the last four months, two political parties - Scottish Labour and the Lib Dems - have experienced apocalyptic results, she shouldn't rule out the possibility that GB Labour could suffer a similar fate. Labour's core vote is much lower now than in 1983 (as is every major party's) and there are more alternatives.
    Stuff and nonsense!

    Ed Miliband won MORE seats at GE2015 than Foot did at GE1983 or Kinnock did at GE1987!
    How many more seats did he win than Gordon Brown in 2010?
    He was comparing Labour to 1983's performance!
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