...If Mr Corbyn is not to be regarded from the day of his election as an enemy of Britain’s Jewish community, he has a number of questions which he must answer in full and immediately. The JC asked him earlier this week to respond. No response has been forthcoming.
1. Did you donate, as alleged by its founder, to Deir Yassin Remembered (DYR), a group that publishes open antisemtism, run by Holocaust denier Paul Eisen — an organisation so extreme that even the Palestine Solidarity Campaign refuses to associate with it?
2. Have you, as Mr Eisen claims, regularly attended DYR’s annual conference?
3. Why have you accepted an invitation to appear at a conference on August 22 alongside Carlos Latuff, the notorious anti-Semitic cartoonist?
4. Why did you write to the Church of England authorities to defend Rev Stephen Sizer, a vicar banned from social media because of his habit of posting anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, telling them that Rev Sizer was “under attack” because he had “dared to speak out over Zionism”?
5. Why do you associate with Hamas and Hezbollah and refer to them as your “friends”?
6. Why have you failed to condemn the anti-Semitic posters and banners that dominate the annual Al-Quds Day rally, sponsored by the Stop The War Coalition, which you chair?
7. Why did you describe Raead Salah, a man convicted of the blood libel, as an ‘honoured citizen’?
It is difficult not to see a pattern in Mr Corbyn’s associations, and his refusal at any point to answer the fears of the Jewish community raised by these associations.
In a nation where, thank heavens, racism and extremism are now regarded as beyond the pale, it is little short of astonishing that a man who chooses to associate with racists and extremists is about to become leader of one of our two main parties and could conceivably become Prime Minister.
Why has anyone got to submit to such a self-serving, hysterical, factually-inaccurate, fallacious inquisition?
No-one has to submit to questioning, but if you are seeking public office and you do not answer questions, you can hardly complain when you lose control of the narrative.
...If Mr Corbyn is not to be regarded from the day of his election as an enemy of Britain’s Jewish community, he has a number of questions which he must answer in full and immediately. The JC asked him earlier this week to respond. No response has been forthcoming.
1. Did you donate, as alleged by its founder, to Deir Yassin Remembered (DYR), a group that publishes open antisemtism, run by Holocaust denier Paul Eisen — an organisation so extreme that even the Palestine Solidarity Campaign refuses to associate with it?
2. Have you, as Mr Eisen claims, regularly attended DYR’s annual conference?
3. Why have you accepted an invitation to appear at a conference on August 22 alongside Carlos Latuff, the notorious anti-Semitic cartoonist?
4. Why did you write to the Church of England authorities to defend Rev Stephen Sizer, a vicar banned from social media because of his habit of posting anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, telling them that Rev Sizer was “under attack” because he had “dared to speak out over Zionism”?
5. Why do you associate with Hamas and Hezbollah and refer to them as your “friends”?
6. Why have you failed to condemn the anti-Semitic posters and banners that dominate the annual Al-Quds Day rally, sponsored by the Stop The War Coalition, which you chair?
7. Why did you describe Raead Salah, a man convicted of the blood libel, as an ‘honoured citizen’?
It is difficult not to see a pattern in Mr Corbyn’s associations, and his refusal at any point to answer the fears of the Jewish community raised by these associations.
In a nation where, thank heavens, racism and extremism are now regarded as beyond the pale, it is little short of astonishing that a man who chooses to associate with racists and extremists is about to become leader of one of our two main parties and could conceivably become Prime Minister.
Why has anyone got to submit to such a self-serving, hysterical, factually-inaccurate, fallacious inquisition?
No-one has to submit to questioning, but if you are seeking public office and you do not answer questions, you can hardly complain when you lose control of the narrative.
A newspaper representing the interests of a country which is holding 2,000,0000 people under brutal occupation doesn't merit answers from Corbyn or anyone else seeking to have UN resolutions enacted.
I wrote to them twice asking for an explanation of their defence firstly of Robert Maxwell and secondly Lady Porter after she escaped to Israel to avoid prosecution. On both occasions the answers I received were none. I hope Corbyn continues to ignore them
It is a rag that is full of bile prejudice and partiality
On topic, difficult to disagree with anything Don's written. However, it's not just the Labour membership / supporters to blame. None of the candidates looks particularly electable. In such circumstances you can understand the membership going for the one that at least has some passion.
That's mostly accurate in my case, but since yesterday it's also compounded by the actions of the opposing to Corbyn teams wanting to cancel the leadership election because they are losing it.
Mr. Llama, hasn't Mr. Foxinsox been here for ages?
Yes, but I don't think he was around during certain times.
Anyway, what's this you mentioned about Corbyn wanting to nationalise cats? Does that mean HMG will pay for the creatures' food. If so I think he may be onto something. I had to go shopping this afternoon as Herself was busy but she left me a list. On that list was go to Waitrose for: prawns, salmon flakes and a roast chicken. All it turns out for the cat.
The idea of nationalising cats is ludicrous. It implies that cats can be owned and controlled.
Mr. Llama, hasn't Mr. Foxinsox been here for ages?
Yes, but I don't think he was around during certain times.
Anyway, what's this you mentioned about Corbyn wanting to nationalise cats? Does that mean HMG will pay for the creatures' food. If so I think he may be onto something. I had to go shopping this afternoon as Herself was busy but she left me a list. On that list was go to Waitrose for: prawns, salmon flakes and a roast chicken. All it turns out for the cat.
The idea of nationalising cats is ludicrous. It implies that cats can be owned and controlled.
Don't know if anyone else has commented on this, but the BBC is up to its old tricks on its news website. On the UK Politics page, apparently Corbyn has plans for the UK, while Burnham and Cooper have visions, and Kendall simply has what she would do.
I don't know if it is just me, but plans are considered and detailed, visions are big picture and nothing more, and 'what one would do" is how you would react if your car ran out of petrol on a busy road.
Looks like al Beeb is backing Corbyn to me.
It won't make a difference if the BBC is backing Corbyn or not, when clearly the other 3 are so rubbish, and in the case of Cooper her own poster agrees with me.
Agreed, Mr Speedy. But I still find the loaded choice of words extraordinary. Not even a semblance or pretence of impartiality.
Don't know if anyone else has commented on this, but the BBC is up to its old tricks on its news website. On the UK Politics page, apparently Corbyn has plans for the UK, while Burnham and Cooper have visions, and Kendall simply has what she would do.
I don't know if it is just me, but plans are considered and detailed, visions are big picture and nothing more, and 'what one would do" is how you would react if your car ran out of petrol on a busy road.
Looks like al Beeb is backing Corbyn to me.
It won't make a difference if the BBC is backing Corbyn or not, when clearly the other 3 are so rubbish, and in the case of Cooper her own poster agrees with me.
Agreed, Mr Speedy. But I still find the loaded choice of words extraordinary. Not even a semblance or pretence of impartiality.
Oh come on american TV is much worse on those categories, Fox News is the worst on those things, whist talking about american TV I found another Trump gem, he can use it in Iowa:
Plato, just seen a Dame Barbara Hakin Deputy Chief Executive of NHS England on tv for first time. I was underwhelmed. I hope she is a more able leader than she came across?
Mr. Llama, hasn't Mr. Foxinsox been here for ages?
Yes, but I don't think he was around during certain times.
Anyway, what's this you mentioned about Corbyn wanting to nationalise cats? Does that mean HMG will pay for the creatures' food. If so I think he may be onto something. I had to go shopping this afternoon as Herself was busy but she left me a list. On that list was go to Waitrose for: prawns, salmon flakes and a roast chicken. All it turns out for the cat.
The idea of nationalising cats is ludicrous. It implies that cats can be owned and controlled.
If someone is mad enough to believe that if the commanding heights of the economy were owned and controlled by HMG life would be better for all, the idea of controlling cats would be child's play.
A newspaper representing the interests of a country which is holding 2,000,0000 people under brutal occupation doesn't merit answers from Corbyn or anyone else seeking to have UN resolutions enacted.
I wrote to them twice asking for an explanation of their defence firstly of Robert Maxwell and secondly Lady Porter after she escaped to Israel to avoid prosecution. On both occasions the answers I received were none. I hope Corbyn continues to ignore them
It is a rag that is full of bile prejudice and partiality
A newspaper representing the interests of a country which is holding 2,000,0000 people under brutal occupation doesn't merit answers from Corbyn or anyone else seeking to have UN resolutions enacted.
I wrote to them twice asking for an explanation of their defence firstly of Robert Maxwell and secondly Lady Porter after she escaped to Israel to avoid prosecution. On both occasions the answers I received were none. I hope Corbyn continues to ignore them
It is a rag that is full of bile prejudice and partiality
I suppose Egypt could simply open up the border they have with them and let all these desperate souls to come across? Alternatively they could just keep the barbed wire, watch towers and machine guns and continue to blow up the tunnels under the fence?
Don't know if anyone else has commented on this, but the BBC is up to its old tricks on its news website. On the UK Politics page, apparently Corbyn has plans for the UK, while Burnham and Cooper have visions, and Kendall simply has what she would do.
I don't know if it is just me, but plans are considered and detailed, visions are big picture and nothing more, and 'what one would do" is how you would react if your car ran out of petrol on a busy road.
Looks like al Beeb is backing Corbyn to me.
It won't make a difference if the BBC is backing Corbyn or not, when clearly the other 3 are so rubbish, and in the case of Cooper her own poster agrees with me.
Agreed, Mr Speedy. But I still find the loaded choice of words extraordinary. Not even a semblance or pretence of impartiality.
Oh come on american TV is much worse on those categories, Fox News is the worst on those things, whist talking about american TV I found another Trump gem, he can use it in Iowa:
ydoethur said: » show previous quotes ' Justin, whatever the manifold and egregious faults of Tony Blair and George W. Bush, they were not mass killers bent on world domination and the genocide of racial groups they didn't approve of. It was perfectly possible to disagree flatly with their ideas and behaviour - I did - and it is possible to see them as hopelessly misguided and very unwise, but they are not actually evil to the extent that would justify taking up arms against them or working to sabotage or imperil our own armed forces.
.I agree with most of that - but would not wish to see aggression by any country prevail. To condemn other countries for aggression and then proceed to turn a blind eye and say nothing when my own country does the same thing is nothing less than pure humbug and hypocrisy. For that reason, I wished to see the invading forces defeated in 2003. I did not wish UK forces any direct harm but any casualties I blame entirely on those who sent them there -a sentiment clearly shared by many relatives of the victims. At the end of the day, those being attacked had every right to defend themselves
Where were you when Saddam was bombing and gassing his own country's citizens? Where were you when he was misusing specific UN aid and allowing his own citizen's children to starve and die instead. In short where were you when Saddam was breaking the terms of the ceasefire he signed after the Gulf War - where of course he had invaded and occupied Kuwait. I don't know where you were - on holiday in Corbynland I suppose - but I despise you for wanting to see UK soldiers defeated.
Ok - and had you been a German in the early 1940s doubtless you would have despised any fellow German wishing to see the Wehrmacht defeated in the interests of humanity. Some of us do not make a moral distinction between people on the basis of nationality.
Just catching up with the thread, so sorry for the late comment, but I can't let that pass.
I was (and remain) against the Iraq war, but you cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, make an equal comparison between UK forces invading Iraq and the Wehrmacht in World War 2.
Well one can make it, but only about Case Blue, which was about taking the oil fields:
So if you think that the objective of invading Iraq was all about the oil, then you can make that assumption.
No, even then you can't. Germany in WWII set out not simply to gain control of resources but to conquer and control an empire in eastern Europe, enslaving and eradicating whole peoples along the way. That is way beyond even the most cynical interpretation of the motives behind the Iraq War.
A newspaper representing the interests of a country which is holding 2,000,0000 people under brutal occupation doesn't merit answers from Corbyn or anyone else seeking to have UN resolutions enacted.
I wrote to them twice asking for an explanation of their defence firstly of Robert Maxwell and secondly Lady Porter after she escaped to Israel to avoid prosecution. On both occasions the answers I received were none. I hope Corbyn continues to ignore them
It is a rag that is full of bile prejudice and partiality
Oh, Roger, you are trying one of the oldest tricks in the book. i.e. Don't attack the point being made - attack the person or organisation making it.
If the JC insisted that 1+1 = 2, would you insist that it was wrong? No, of course not. (1)
The questions posed by the JC are perfectly valid, regardless of what you think of the paper itself.
(1) Although you were a supporter of Brown as Chancellor, IIRC!
Mr. Llama, hasn't Mr. Foxinsox been here for ages?
Yes, but I don't think he was around during certain times.
Anyway, what's this you mentioned about Corbyn wanting to nationalise cats? Does that mean HMG will pay for the creatures' food. If so I think he may be onto something. I had to go shopping this afternoon as Herself was busy but she left me a list. On that list was go to Waitrose for: prawns, salmon flakes and a roast chicken. All it turns out for the cat.
The idea of nationalising cats is ludicrous. It implies that cats can be owned and controlled.
If someone is mad enough to believe that if the commanding heights of the economy were owned and controlled by HMG life would be better for all, the idea of controlling cats would be child's play.
Personally I have found small terriers best for controlling cats. My border has established a working relationship with my own cat, and has an enthusiastic attitude to controlling other cat incursions!
Mr. Llama, hasn't Mr. Foxinsox been here for ages?
Yes, but I don't think he was around during certain times.
Anyway, what's this you mentioned about Corbyn wanting to nationalise cats? Does that mean HMG will pay for the creatures' food. If so I think he may be onto something. I had to go shopping this afternoon as Herself was busy but she left me a list. On that list was go to Waitrose for: prawns, salmon flakes and a roast chicken. All it turns out for the cat.
The idea of nationalising cats is ludicrous. It implies that cats can be owned and controlled.
If someone is mad enough to believe that if the commanding heights of the economy were owned and controlled by HMG life would be better for all, the idea of controlling cats would be child's play.
Personally I have found small terriers best for controlling cats. My border has established a working relationship with my own cat, and has an enthusiastic attitude to controlling other cat incursions!
They will also keep out the squirrels, gratis.....
On topic, difficult to disagree with anything Don's written. However, it's not just the Labour membership / supporters to blame. None of the candidates looks particularly electable. In such circumstances you can understand the membership going for the one that at least has some passion.
That's mostly accurate in my case, but since yesterday it's also compounded by the actions of the opposing to Corbyn teams wanting to cancel the leadership election because they are losing it.
It has come to something when the 'jumping the shark' moment in the campaign was the three spadocrats effectively declaring that the party was theirs, not the members (or, alternatively, that it wa fine for Corbyn to be on the ballot, just so long as no-one voted for him).
Don't know if anyone else has commented on this, but the BBC is up to its old tricks on its news website. On the UK Politics page, apparently Corbyn has plans for the UK, while Burnham and Cooper have visions, and Kendall simply has what she would do.
I don't know if it is just me, but plans are considered and detailed, visions are big picture and nothing more, and 'what one would do" is how you would react if your car ran out of petrol on a busy road.
Looks like al Beeb is backing Corbyn to me.
It won't make a difference if the BBC is backing Corbyn or not, when clearly the other 3 are so rubbish, and in the case of Cooper her own poster agrees with me.
Agreed, Mr Speedy. But I still find the loaded choice of words extraordinary. Not even a semblance or pretence of impartiality.
Oh come on american TV is much worse on those categories, Fox News is the worst on those things, whist talking about american TV I found another Trump gem, he can use it in Iowa:
As has been pointed out, US TV has no obligation to be impartial, whereas the Beeb does. As for Fox News, they could hardly wear their prejudices more openly on their sleeves. As has been noted more than once with a wry smile in place, it's not so much that Fox works for the GOP, but that the GOP works for Fox.
Mr. Herdson, I think the Romans considered the cat the freest of the animals [them or the Egyptians].
Not quite so free after the Egyptians stuck prodigious numbers of them into jars to keep the Pharaohs company in the afterlife....
You maybe a little mixed your Egyptology there, Mr. Mark. Certainly the Egyptians did mummify dead cats, as they did dead people (a process that involved sticking organs into jars) and for the same reason - so that they can have a jolly time in the afterlife.
Allegedly during a certain era some pharaohs and other assorted bigwigs were buried in company with live slaves/priests and other minor hangers on. Perhaps cats were included in that process as well. But even if they were, it only shows that cats were held to be at the same level as essential companions, rather than the gods that were undoubtedly held to be at other times.
Of course one of the great questions about cats and Egypt is that in a land which is largely made up of sand where the moggies go for a crap and to vomit? Areas of modern day Texas have I believe the same problem.
On topic, difficult to disagree with anything Don's written. However, it's not just the Labour membership / supporters to blame. None of the candidates looks particularly electable. In such circumstances you can understand the membership going for the one that at least has some passion.
That's mostly accurate in my case, but since yesterday it's also compounded by the actions of the opposing to Corbyn teams wanting to cancel the leadership election because they are losing it.
It has come to something when the 'jumping the shark' moment in the campaign was the three spadocrats effectively declaring that the party was theirs, not the members (or, alternatively, that it wa fine for Corbyn to be on the ballot, just so long as no-one voted for him).
The party comes first..... No it doesn't the country comes first.
That's about the only memorable thing I can remember from the entire hustings.
The one who actually does get it though won't get it because she does get it.
Mr. Llama, hasn't Mr. Foxinsox been here for ages?
Yes, but I don't think he was around during certain times.
Anyway, what's this you mentioned about Corbyn wanting to nationalise cats? Does that mean HMG will pay for the creatures' food. If so I think he may be onto something. I had to go shopping this afternoon as Herself was busy but she left me a list. On that list was go to Waitrose for: prawns, salmon flakes and a roast chicken. All it turns out for the cat.
The idea of nationalising cats is ludicrous. It implies that cats can be owned and controlled.
Can't agree with general sentiment here - I thought Cooper was good. First time she has been mind. Way, way too late probably, but I remain optimistic and calm. She's still available at 9s.
It seems clear the winner will be Cooper or Corbyn. Pity we can't have a dream ticket. Corbyn for heart Cooper for head. Maybe if JC would make Cooper shadow chancellor that might do it. I have to say I've never really noticed him before but I'm liking what I see.
I have a feeling that the zeitgeist might just be right for someone like him at the moment. The Tories nastiness makes people feel so impotent
Mr. Herdson, I think the Romans considered the cat the freest of the animals [them or the Egyptians].
Not quite so free after the Egyptians stuck prodigious numbers of them into jars to keep the Pharaohs company in the afterlife....
You maybe a little mixed your Egyptology there, Mr. Mark. Certainly the Egyptians did mummify dead cats, as they did dead people (a process that involved sticking organs into jars) and for the same reason - so that they can have a jolly time in the afterlife.
Allegedly during a certain era some pharaohs and other assorted bigwigs were buried in company with live slaves/priests and other minor hangers on. Perhaps cats were included in that process as well. But even if they were, it only shows that cats were held to be at the same level as essential companions, rather than the gods that were undoubtedly held to be at other times.
Of course one of the great questions about cats and Egypt is that in a land which is largely made up of sand where the moggies go for a crap and to vomit? Areas of modern day Texas have I believe the same problem.
BTW, did you see that piece in the Times the other day - where some expert reckons the tomb of Nefertiti is hidden in a secret chamber behind one of the walls of Tutankhamen's. Given his was intact, hers would be too...and her treasures would make his look like they had come from Argos!
RE The Tories winning on policy - the Tories hardly mentioned policy throughout the election. In fact both parties were both guilty of giving extraordinarily little detail about what exactly they'd do in power. It was issues, and more how parties' attitudes on certain issues (immigration, welfare, the economy) and the economy which decided the electorate.
As far as I can tell Corbyn barley mentions his competitors and certainly isn't wasting much of his time responding to Labour Party "grandees" who are carpet bombing the MSM and Twitter with their attacks. It will be interesting to see upcoming polls on Corbyn's electability now that he is the clear frontrunner.
I think on the face of it rather bizarrely Corbyn seems to have established an SNP like anti-establishment movement from within the Labour party - without anyone noticing. Should Corbyn win how many Labour MPs will seek to defect or set up a new party? I think they are showing themselves to be a spineless bunch - very few would have the guts to go.
"I think on the face of it rather bizarrely Corbyn seems to have established an SNP like anti-establishment movement from within the Labour party - without anyone noticing.
I think you're spot on. This reminds me in almost every way the rise of the SNP. You can just sense the feeling among Labour supporters 'why not? we've nothing to lose but our clones'.
"I think on the face of it rather bizarrely Corbyn seems to have established an SNP like anti-establishment movement from within the Labour party - without anyone noticing.
I think you're spot on. This reminds me in almost every way the rise of the SNP. You can just sense the feeling among Labour supporters 'why not? we've nothing to lose but our clones'.
And the 2020 election. And perhaps the 2025 one too.
I did a quick calculation earlier today and figured yesterday's blast was 0.2% of the Hiroshima bomb. Or, to put it another way, 500 of those explosions yesterday = one small nuke.
Given how scary and gigormous the blast was yesterday, generating a small mushroom cloud and 1,000 casualties, that just goes to show how devestating and terrifying nuclear bombs are.
Callum ...I think you're spot on. This reminds me in almost every way the rise of the SNP. You can just sense the feeling among Labour supporters 'why not? we've nothing to lose but our clones'.
'why not? we've nothing to lose but our elections'
@MichaelLCrick: Growing speculation re Gordon Brown speech Edinburgh on Sunday. If to deliver knock-out to Corbyn he must act quickly. Voting starts tmrw.
If there is any expectation that Corbyn might inprove SLABs image with the Scottish voting public, it seems that Brown is out to crush this with his full weight.
Ridiculously risible choice of venue.
Indeed. Since 2015 election Scotland has voted itself a sideshow in British politics. Allowing EV4EL and likely cementing 15 years of Tory rule.
As well as losing a referendum in 2014.
Pretty bad couple of years for progressive politics in Scotland.
Mr. Herdson, I think the Romans considered the cat the freest of the animals [them or the Egyptians].
Not quite so free after the Egyptians stuck prodigious numbers of them into jars to keep the Pharaohs company in the afterlife....
You maybe a little mixed your Egyptology there, Mr. Mark. Certainly the Egyptians did mummify dead cats, as they did dead people (a process that involved sticking organs into jars) and for the same reason - so that they can have a jolly time in the afterlife.
Allegedly during a certain era some pharaohs and other assorted bigwigs were buried in company with live slaves/priests and other minor hangers on. Perhaps cats were included in that process as well. But even if they were, it only shows that cats were held to be at the same level as essential companions, rather than the gods that were undoubtedly held to be at other times.
Of course one of the great questions about cats and Egypt is that in a land which is largely made up of sand where the moggies go for a crap and to vomit? Areas of modern day Texas have I believe the same problem.
BTW, did you see that piece in the Times the other day - where some expert reckons the tomb of Nefertiti is hidden in a secret chamber behind one of the walls of Tutankhamen's. Given his was intact, hers would be too...and her treasures would make his look like they had come from Argos!
I did indeed, Mr. Mark and if such a tomb were found I am sure the contents would be spectacular. However, I remain very sceptical. She was the wife of Tut's dad fro a start and possibly therefore his mother. She was also a key part in the religious movement that Tut's dad introduced and which Tut subsequently disavowed. I don't see that she would have been buried behind the boy whatever his wishes the priests of the "counter reformation" would surely have never allowed it. Then there is the matter of the tomb of the woman sort of identified as Nefertiti that has already been discovered.
Someone has come up with a theory. It might be correct but I wouldn't put any money on it.
I did a quick calculation earlier today and figured yesterday's blast was 0.2% of the Hiroshima bomb. Or, to put it another way, 500 of those explosions yesterday = one small nuke.
Given how scary and gigormous the blast was yesterday, generating a small mushroom cloud and 1,000 casualties, that just goes to show how devestating and terrifying nuclear bombs are.
MAD
If there was ever ever ever a better acronym used as a label I would like to see it. it has though bizarrely kept the peace or alternatively ......everyone just fights the same war but in other peoples countries.
@MichaelLCrick: Growing speculation re Gordon Brown speech Edinburgh on Sunday. If to deliver knock-out to Corbyn he must act quickly. Voting starts tmrw.
If there is any expectation that Corbyn might inprove SLABs image with the Scottish voting public, it seems that Brown is out to crush this with his full weight.
Ridiculously risible choice of venue.
Indeed. Since 2015 election Scotland has voted itself a sideshow in British politics. Allowing EV4EL and likely cementing 15 years of Tory rule.
As well as losing a referendum in 2014.
Pretty bad couple of years for progressive politics in Scotland.
@MichaelPDeacon: Why doesn't the Guardian JOIN THE TORIES. Why doesn't Polly Toynbee JOIN THE TORIES. Why doesn't the Soviet Union JOIN THE TORIES
LOL at this stage Atlee could criticise Corbyn, and he'd be called a Tory. CIFers are the kind of people my grandma called 'hard-ears'.
Stephen Bush @stephenkb 16m16 minutes ago The Guardian has endorsed Yvette Cooper, and its comment moderators should be worried
Look at the comments on the Cif piece about corbyns antisemitic friends... Utter failure to engage with reality
It is quite amusing that there seems to be a genuine belief that the vitriol being poured on Corbyn's head from within the Labour Party and from the likes of the Guardian is "proof that the Tories are scared of him" Because anyone who criticises him is, de facto, a Tory!
@MichaelPDeacon: Why doesn't the Guardian JOIN THE TORIES. Why doesn't Polly Toynbee JOIN THE TORIES. Why doesn't the Soviet Union JOIN THE TORIES
LOL at this stage Atlee could criticise Corbyn, and he'd be called a Tory. CIFers are the kind of people my grandma called 'hard-ears'.
Stephen Bush @stephenkb 16m16 minutes ago The Guardian has endorsed Yvette Cooper, and its comment moderators should be worried
Look at the comments on the Cif piece about corbyns antisemitic friends... Utter failure to engage with reality
It is quite amusing that there seems to be a genuine belief that the vitriol being poured on Corbyn's head from within the Labour Party and from the likes of the Guardian is "proof that the Tories are scared of him" Because anyone who criticises him is, de facto, a Tory!
It's a Syriza style mass delusion. There's no rational reasoning any more.
@MichaelPDeacon: Why doesn't the Guardian JOIN THE TORIES. Why doesn't Polly Toynbee JOIN THE TORIES. Why doesn't the Soviet Union JOIN THE TORIES
LOL at this stage Atlee could criticise Corbyn, and he'd be called a Tory. CIFers are the kind of people my grandma called 'hard-ears'.
Stephen Bush @stephenkb 16m16 minutes ago The Guardian has endorsed Yvette Cooper, and its comment moderators should be worried
Look at the comments on the Cif piece about corbyns antisemitic friends... Utter failure to engage with reality
It is quite amusing that there seems to be a genuine belief that the vitriol being poured on Corbyn's head from within the Labour Party and from the likes of the Guardian is "proof that the Tories are scared of him" Because anyone who criticises him is, de facto, a Tory!
It's a Syriza style mass delusion. There's no rational reasoning any more.
Did Syriza beat an unpopular pro Austerity Govt or was it roundly rejected by the electorate?
This 'election' and the way it has operated proves that the establishment in the Labour party genuinely didn't understand the system that they had set up. There was a lot of bewilderment that for the last month or so, the only person who appears to have been campaigning was Corbyn, with the others all having gone on holiday. I think that is because the others seemed to be under the impression that the contest only really started once the date for registering for a vote was over, at which point the campaign would start to convert an undecided electorate.
Of course the reality was/is that the vast majority of the electorate has already made up its mind - the only reason they have self-chosen to be part of the electorate is to vote for Corbyn. There is no persuading to be done. This election had nothing really to do with persuading the electorate like a normal election. The key to the election was signing up supporters to be part of the electorate in the first place - which Corbyn's team obviously realised very early on. Even in the last couple of weeks when the scale of Corbyn's lead has become apparent, his opponents have continued to appeal to "the Labour Party" to see sense. When they should have been desperately urging anti-Corbynites to register.
It is, if you like, the Dewey vs Truman election where Dewey wins because the election was decided by the Readers Digest!
Well I heard Cooper's speech, deeply disappointed. Her whole speech was: "Vote for me because I'm a woman" "I'm radical because I'm not a man". If her whole pitch is don't vote Corbyn because he's a man and men can't be radical, I'm sorry even feminism has it's limits, if Cooper can say she is a radical because she is a woman then so can Liz Kendall.
Wow...look at what Kens just been saying... Apparently labours now more popular than anytime over the last 40 years....
You would have thought that they would have taken more than a couple of months before forgetting about the mass delusion caused by like minded talking to like minded before the General Election...
Peston's blog on Corbynomics was quite interesting - maybe the Corbynites dominated the later comments (didn't get that far) but the early comments were just incredulous that his proposals were seriously being put forward. The contrast with the Guardian BTL was striking.
I did a quick calculation earlier today and figured yesterday's blast was 0.2% of the Hiroshima bomb. Or, to put it another way, 500 of those explosions yesterday = one small nuke.
Given how scary and gigormous the blast was yesterday, generating a small mushroom cloud and 1,000 casualties, that just goes to show how devestating and terrifying nuclear bombs are.
MAD
If there was ever ever ever a better acronym used as a label I would like to see it. it has though bizarrely kept the peace or alternatively ......everyone just fights the same war but in other peoples countries.
Someone I know pointed out that the third world war happened, it was just a Third World war.
@MichaelPDeacon: Why doesn't the Guardian JOIN THE TORIES. Why doesn't Polly Toynbee JOIN THE TORIES. Why doesn't the Soviet Union JOIN THE TORIES
LOL at this stage Atlee could criticise Corbyn, and he'd be called a Tory. CIFers are the kind of people my grandma called 'hard-ears'.
Stephen Bush @stephenkb 16m16 minutes ago The Guardian has endorsed Yvette Cooper, and its comment moderators should be worried
Look at the comments on the Cif piece about corbyns antisemitic friends... Utter failure to engage with reality
It is quite amusing that there seems to be a genuine belief that the vitriol being poured on Corbyn's head from within the Labour Party and from the likes of the Guardian is "proof that the Tories are scared of him" Because anyone who criticises him is, de facto, a Tory!
It's a Syriza style mass delusion. There's no rational reasoning any more.
Did Syriza beat an unpopular pro Austerity Govt or was it roundly rejected by the electorate?
True true. It was the delusion of their platform that ran into German reality as it was always going to.
@MichaelLCrick: Growing speculation re Gordon Brown speech Edinburgh on Sunday. If to deliver knock-out to Corbyn he must act quickly. Voting starts tmrw.
If there is any expectation that Corbyn might inprove SLABs image with the Scottish voting public, it seems that Brown is out to crush this with his full weight.
Ridiculously risible choice of venue.
Indeed. Since 2015 election Scotland has voted itself a sideshow in British politics. Allowing EV4EL and likely cementing 15 years of Tory rule.
As well as losing a referendum in 2014.
Pretty bad couple of years for progressive politics in Scotland.
Ah, 'Scotland' has lost a referendum has it?
An interesting interpretation.
I guess tongue in cheek really is hard to read on t'net.
< irony >Didn't the SNP claim to speak up for Scotland?< /irony >
Luckily, it seems that Scotland wants to be spoken up for by London
@MichaelPDeacon: Why doesn't the Guardian JOIN THE TORIES. Why doesn't Polly Toynbee JOIN THE TORIES. Why doesn't the Soviet Union JOIN THE TORIES
LOL at this stage Atlee could criticise Corbyn, and he'd be called a Tory. CIFers are the kind of people my grandma called 'hard-ears'.
Stephen Bush @stephenkb 16m16 minutes ago The Guardian has endorsed Yvette Cooper, and its comment moderators should be worried
Look at the comments on the Cif piece about corbyns antisemitic friends... Utter failure to engage with reality
It is quite amusing that there seems to be a genuine belief that the vitriol being poured on Corbyn's head from within the Labour Party and from the likes of the Guardian is "proof that the Tories are scared of him" Because anyone who criticises him is, de facto, a Tory!
It's a Syriza style mass delusion. There's no rational reasoning any more.
Did Syriza beat an unpopular pro Austerity Govt or was it roundly rejected by the electorate?
Greece has been through genuine austerity, seven years of recession and has unemployment running at 25% or so. The situation is not remotely comparable.
Is there a possibility that Diane Abbot could win the Labour nomination? That would be the fast track to the delusional bubble in the Labour Party being pricked in no time!
RE The Tories winning on policy - the Tories hardly mentioned policy throughout the election. In fact both parties were both guilty of giving extraordinarily little detail about what exactly they'd do in power. It was issues, and more how parties' attitudes on certain issues (immigration, welfare, the economy) and the economy which decided the electorate.
This is spot on, from the Labour perspective, the problem wasn't Ed Miliband's policies, which no one on the doorstep could've told you anyway but the fact that he was a blank slate that voters fears and dislikes could be projected on to. He, and the party under him never really gained definition as we'd see a zig-zag between a populist policy and an attempt to shore up his fiscal credibility. It meant in Nuneaton the Tories could paint him as a dangerous unworldly left-winger who'd do lots of things he'd explicitly said he wouldn't do, while in Scotland he could be painted as part of a pro-austerity establishment (which doesn't actually exist).
Which in a way is what's caused the Corbyn problem now. Ed Miliband lost in England because he was perceived as too left-wing, but the fact that he wasn't actually a hard left loon has meant that the likes of Owen Jones and his band of useful idiots have been able to deny that Middle-England viewing him that way was why he lost, they can harp on about Scotland, authenticity etc... Of course there's one massive problem - if you offer someone grape juice and they say 'sorry I don't like white wine' you don't walk straight to the fridge to get them a bottle of Chablis - you'll end up with them declining again but in a brusquer manner.
@MichaelPDeacon: Why doesn't the Guardian JOIN THE TORIES. Why doesn't Polly Toynbee JOIN THE TORIES. Why doesn't the Soviet Union JOIN THE TORIES
LOL at this stage Atlee could criticise Corbyn, and he'd be called a Tory. CIFers are the kind of people my grandma called 'hard-ears'.
Stephen Bush @stephenkb 16m16 minutes ago The Guardian has endorsed Yvette Cooper, and its comment moderators should be worried
Look at the comments on the Cif piece about corbyns antisemitic friends... Utter failure to engage with reality
It is quite amusing that there seems to be a genuine belief that the vitriol being poured on Corbyn's head from within the Labour Party and from the likes of the Guardian is "proof that the Tories are scared of him" Because anyone who criticises him is, de facto, a Tory!
It's a Syriza style mass delusion. There's no rational reasoning any more.
Did Syriza beat an unpopular pro Austerity Govt or was it roundly rejected by the electorate?
Greece has been through genuine austerity, seven years of recession and has unemployment running at 25% or so. The situation is not remotely comparable.
@MichaelPDeacon: Why doesn't the Guardian JOIN THE TORIES. Why doesn't Polly Toynbee JOIN THE TORIES. Why doesn't the Soviet Union JOIN THE TORIES
LOL at this stage Atlee could criticise Corbyn, and he'd be called a Tory. CIFers are the kind of people my grandma called 'hard-ears'.
Stephen Bush @stephenkb 16m16 minutes ago The Guardian has endorsed Yvette Cooper, and its comment moderators should be worried
Look at the comments on the Cif piece about corbyns antisemitic friends... Utter failure to engage with reality
It is quite amusing that there seems to be a genuine belief that the vitriol being poured on Corbyn's head from within the Labour Party and from the likes of the Guardian is "proof that the Tories are scared of him" Because anyone who criticises him is, de facto, a Tory!
It's a Syriza style mass delusion. There's no rational reasoning any more.
Did Syriza beat an unpopular pro Austerity Govt or was it roundly rejected by the electorate?
They've ended up imposing even worse austerity through their incompetence.
But, I'd say that this is more like the nomination of George McGovern in 1972.
Wow...look at what Kens just been saying... Apparently labours now more popular than anytime over the last 40 years....
You would have thought that they would have taken more than a couple of months before forgetting about the mass delusion caused by like minded talking to like minded before the General Election...
Peston's blog on Corbynomics was quite interesting - maybe the Corbynites dominated the later comments (didn't get that far) but the early comments were just incredulous that his proposals were seriously being put forward. The contrast with the Guardian BTL was striking.
I read that too, I'm against the principle of QE because it predictably failed to do any good to any economy that has tried it. Yes it lowers interest rates and encourages public deficits, but QE is a very corrupt mechanism of giving free money to people who already have tons of money, as a result it reduces investment in productive areas and increases it in unproductive areas like the stockmarket and house prices. QE is one of big reasons why productivity rates are bad. It would have been effective if you gave the money to people who actually needed it, an actual helicopter you might say dropping money to the streets.
Cameron must be rueing the fixed term parliament act. With Corbyn as leader I imagine he'd prefer to have an election after 4 rather than 5 years.
The fixed term Parliament Act is as meaningful as a chocolate fireguard. If he wants to call an early election then instead of calling Her Majesty all the PM does is go to the Commons and table a motion that an early election be called and implement a three-line-whip on his own side to vote for an early election.
Unless the opposition votes against an early election two-thirds will easily be reached and Parliament is dissolved. If the Opposition Leader puts a three line whip on his side to vote against an election and insist on 12 more months of Conservative rule then he'd make his own side a complete mockery.
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No-one has to submit to questioning, but if you are seeking public office and you do not answer questions, you can hardly complain when you lose control of the narrative.
A newspaper representing the interests of a country which is holding 2,000,0000 people under brutal occupation doesn't merit answers from Corbyn or anyone else seeking to have UN resolutions enacted.
I wrote to them twice asking for an explanation of their defence firstly of Robert Maxwell and secondly Lady Porter after she escaped to Israel to avoid prosecution. On both occasions the answers I received were none. I hope Corbyn continues to ignore them
It is a rag that is full of bile prejudice and partiality
This is Corbyn's Claws Four moment, surely?
That's her
"So......Ed ......what time of the morning do you call this to come back from the lock in at the Leftie Arms??"
Type of look.......
Mr. P, not sure Rubbish Cooper is helping herself either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiZqFGLAeAc
@MichaelPDeacon:
Why doesn't the Guardian JOIN THE TORIES.
Why doesn't Polly Toynbee JOIN THE TORIES.
Why doesn't the Soviet Union JOIN THE TORIES
Did you write in green ink?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WbDeq8GqEE
Someone might also like to point out that women also use planes and trains (and pilot/drive them), and that men are, just sometimes, part of families.
Tough decision really.......
https://twitter.com/ThePigeonMuseum/status/631531238726078464
Yankee-Doodle goggle vision is not paid for out of all our pockets under threat of legal penalty, nor does it have a duty to be balanced...
Not for that matter does it have a 40%+ market share across the board.
i.e. Don't attack the point being made - attack the person or organisation making it.
If the JC insisted that 1+1 = 2, would you insist that it was wrong? No, of course not. (1)
The questions posed by the JC are perfectly valid, regardless of what you think of the paper itself.
(1) Although you were a supporter of Brown as Chancellor, IIRC!
Excellent! *applause*
Allegedly during a certain era some pharaohs and other assorted bigwigs were buried in company with live slaves/priests and other minor hangers on. Perhaps cats were included in that process as well. But even if they were, it only shows that cats were held to be at the same level as essential companions, rather than the gods that were undoubtedly held to be at other times.
Of course one of the great questions about cats and Egypt is that in a land which is largely made up of sand where the moggies go for a crap and to vomit? Areas of modern day Texas have I believe the same problem.
That's about the only memorable thing I can remember from the entire hustings.
The one who actually does get it though won't get it because she does get it.
I have a feeling that the zeitgeist might just be right for someone like him at the moment. The Tories nastiness makes people feel so impotent
" Talking up the chances of a potential left-wing Labour leader could hurt the Greens in (at least) the immediate term. According to sources, we’ve lost around 400 members this month alone – no doubt many of whom are going off to vote for Corbyn."
http://bright-green.org/2015/08/12/is-it-time-for-the-greens-to-get-clear-about-corbyn/
The comment is from a Greenie who works at the Electoral Reform Society.
http://electoral-reform.org.uk/meet-our-staff
This must be the work of a saboteur.
I think on the face of it rather bizarrely Corbyn seems to have established an SNP like anti-establishment movement from within the Labour party - without anyone noticing. Should Corbyn win how many Labour MPs will seek to defect or set up a new party? I think they are showing themselves to be a spineless bunch - very few would have the guts to go.
CIFers are the kind of people my grandma called 'hard-ears'.
"I think on the face of it rather bizarrely Corbyn seems to have established an SNP like anti-establishment movement from within the Labour party - without anyone noticing.
I think you're spot on. This reminds me in almost every way the rise of the SNP. You can just sense the feeling among Labour supporters 'why not? we've nothing to lose but our clones'.
The Guardian has endorsed Yvette Cooper, and its comment moderators should be worried
The ones with the guts just get more resolved to do something about it.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-campaign-raises-222000-6248150
I did a quick calculation earlier today and figured yesterday's blast was 0.2% of the Hiroshima bomb. Or, to put it another way, 500 of those explosions yesterday = one small nuke.
Given how scary and gigormous the blast was yesterday, generating a small mushroom cloud and 1,000 casualties, that just goes to show how devestating and terrifying nuclear bombs are.
Is there a cap on campaign expenditure written into the leadership rules?
Jezza has a fiery passion.
As well as losing a referendum in 2014.
Pretty bad couple of years for progressive politics in Scotland.
Someone has come up with a theory. It might be correct but I wouldn't put any money on it.
If there was ever ever ever a better acronym used as a label I would like to see it. it has though bizarrely kept the peace or alternatively ......everyone just fights the same war but in other peoples countries.
An interesting interpretation.
What a choice.
Unite leader Len McCluskey has written to all his 104,000 affiliated members urging them to vote for Jeremy Corbyn reports @MichaelLCrick
Will be getting my ballot papers early next week I guess.
To be honest, only one candidate that is anywhere near inspiring....rest dull as dishwater!
Also informing me that were I really sensible I would vote Kendall.
I sent a short reply.
Of course the reality was/is that the vast majority of the electorate has already made up its mind - the only reason they have self-chosen to be part of the electorate is to vote for Corbyn. There is no persuading to be done. This election had nothing really to do with persuading the electorate like a normal election. The key to the election was signing up supporters to be part of the electorate in the first place - which Corbyn's team obviously realised very early on. Even in the last couple of weeks when the scale of Corbyn's lead has become apparent, his opponents have continued to appeal to "the Labour Party" to see sense. When they should have been desperately urging anti-Corbynites to register.
It is, if you like, the Dewey vs Truman election where Dewey wins because the election was decided by the Readers Digest!
. @HackneyAbbott happy to bet £20 on @jeremycorbyn @Corbyn4Leader to be prime minister in 2020! #lbcdebate #JezWeCan
Bless.
Her whole speech was: "Vote for me because I'm a woman" "I'm radical because I'm not a man".
If her whole pitch is don't vote Corbyn because he's a man and men can't be radical, I'm sorry even feminism has it's limits, if Cooper can say she is a radical because she is a woman then so can Liz Kendall.
Cooper is the base model of identity politics.
Peston's blog on Corbynomics was quite interesting - maybe the Corbynites dominated the later comments (didn't get that far) but the early comments were just incredulous that his proposals were seriously being put forward. The contrast with the Guardian BTL was striking.
< irony >Didn't the SNP claim to speak up for Scotland?< /irony >
Luckily, it seems that Scotland wants to be spoken up for by London
Which in a way is what's caused the Corbyn problem now. Ed Miliband lost in England because he was perceived as too left-wing, but the fact that he wasn't actually a hard left loon has meant that the likes of Owen Jones and his band of useful idiots have been able to deny that Middle-England viewing him that way was why he lost, they can harp on about Scotland, authenticity etc... Of course there's one massive problem - if you offer someone grape juice and they say 'sorry I don't like white wine' you don't walk straight to the fridge to get them a bottle of Chablis - you'll end up with them declining again but in a brusquer manner.
But, I'd say that this is more like the nomination of George McGovern in 1972.
Yes it lowers interest rates and encourages public deficits, but QE is a very corrupt mechanism of giving free money to people who already have tons of money, as a result it reduces investment in productive areas and increases it in unproductive areas like the stockmarket and house prices.
QE is one of big reasons why productivity rates are bad.
It would have been effective if you gave the money to people who actually needed it, an actual helicopter you might say dropping money to the streets.
Unless the opposition votes against an early election two-thirds will easily be reached and Parliament is dissolved. If the Opposition Leader puts a three line whip on his side to vote against an election and insist on 12 more months of Conservative rule then he'd make his own side a complete mockery.
HE won't go back to the country at all.