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  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    1st
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Unfortunately all of them boring with the winner of the by-elections already known.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,936
    3rd like Andy
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,936
    4th like Liz
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 45,077
    5th like Hattie.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 2,845
    What are the SDLP's views on Corbyn?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,936
    Did you see my question on the last thread Mr Pulpstar?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,936
    alex. said:

    What are the SDLP's views on Corbyn?

    Sinn Fein are in support I believe
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 11,792
    The SLab candidate in Denny and Banknock has been suspended from Labour for sectarian Facebook comments, though it was too late to take him off the ballot paper.

    It'll be an interesting excercise to see how many votes he'll still get from the sectarian bigot community.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Mayor of Calais threatens to reduce the level of policing unless Cameron pays compensation to them. The figures for the number of people living in the camp have gone from 3,000 to over 5,000 with more on the way. I wonder what would happen if the camp increased to 10-15,000.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3196942/Calais-mayor-Natacha-Bouchart-accused-David-Cameron-mocking-French.html
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    The SLab candidate in Denny and Banknock has been suspended from Labour for sectarian Facebook comments, though it was too late to take him off the ballot paper.

    It'll be an interesting excercise to see how many votes he'll still get from the sectarian bigot community.

    Is there anyone who you don't call a bigot?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 24,532
    edited August 2015
    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 20,265
    edited August 2015
    Thanks for this Harry.

    We got polling cards through the post for an election next month as a councillor has stood down for work reasons. ISTR he only joined the council last year, after having stood down as a councillor in 2010 to work abroad ...

    Yet another election. Woohoo! :)
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,402
    edited August 2015
    Has Ben Bradshaw revealed any theories on how he did so well at the election? He would have had the same material to work with as the rest of the MPs/PPCs fighting in the south.
  • The Mirror endorses Andy Burnham.

    http://bit.ly/1J6NaaF
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 6,871
    edited August 2015
    Artist said:

    Has Ben Bradshaw revealed any theories on how he did so well at the election? He would have had the same material to work with as the rest of the MPs/PPCs fighting in the south.

    Most major university seats recorded strong swings to Labour.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 37,208

    The Mirror endorses Andy Burnham.

    http://bit.ly/1J6NaaF

    @MichaelPDeacon: Why doesn't the Daily Mirror just JOIN THE TORIES https://t.co/22LEJ751BR
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 24,532

    Did you see my question on the last thread Mr Pulpstar?

    Phwoar. He wants to give Liz one. PHWOAR ...
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MP_SE said:

    Mayor of Calais threatens to reduce the level of policing unless Cameron pays compensation to them. The figures for the number of people living in the camp have gone from 3,000 to over 5,000 with more on the way. I wonder what would happen if the camp increased to 10-15,000.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3196942/Calais-mayor-Natacha-Bouchart-accused-David-Cameron-mocking-French.html

    And to think Calais was British until 1558.
    Now we are getting blackmailed by it's mayor.

    Really, if we closed the eurotunnel we would solve both of Calais and Dover's problems, to hell with the french commuters, this is going to end in a major diplomatic incident one way or the other.
  • I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 37,208
    @DPJHodges: Mirror comes out for Andy Burnham. Another Tory rag just trying to do Jeremy Corbyn down...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,936

    Did you see my question on the last thread Mr Pulpstar?

    Phwoar. He wants to give Liz one. PHWOAR ...
    No the one about profitable outcomes.

    I thought Mr Pulpstar had most profit on Jezza or Cooper
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Did you see my question on the last thread Mr Pulpstar?

    Phwoar. He wants to give Liz one. PHWOAR ...
    Steady on. Me first!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 24,532

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    How many do they employ, though, who live in the constituency?

    Honestly, it's like someone has gifted the city 20,000 voters from Islington and Hackney down there.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 2,845

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    Sometimes these things are just down to history. Under FPTP, once a party is one of two main parties in an area they will sometimes be competitive long after demographic changes make such a thing seem strange. Needs demographic change not to happen too fast though. As long as they maintain a strong local organisation, and manage to retain reasonable levels of competence when in charge, voters will have no particular reason to look elsewhere. Of course it also helps if they manage to build up a local position reasonably immune to national politics.

    However if they ever manage to combine a bad period locally with a bad period nationally they could rapidly disappear. This is of course the nightmare scenario now facing the LibDems, having been wiped out in many of even their most historically sound areas.

  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 6,871

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    How many do they employ, though, who live in the constituency?

    Honestly, it's like someone has gifted the city 20,000 voters from Islington and Hackney down there.
    What about the university (current students, graduates, uni academics employed)?

    It was common for uni seats to get good Labour results this time. They even surged in Canterbury despite otherwise gruesome results in Kent.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    If France reduces law enforcement in Calais because we don't give them enough of a bung, we should launch a diplomatic war against the French. Start public campaigns against the Strasbourg parliament and refuse tonprovide any funds to the Common Agricultural Policy until the French do the basic job of enforcing the law against crimes on British citizens and British companies in France.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 2,845
    edited August 2015
    Danny565 said:

    Artist said:

    Has Ben Bradshaw revealed any theories on how he did so well at the election? He would have had the same material to work with as the rest of the MPs/PPCs fighting in the south.

    Most major university seats recorded strong swings to Labour.
    There may of course also be something in the fact that i think Exeter is a university that retains a high proportion of its students to the area after they leave.
  • I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    How many do they employ, though, who live in the constituency?

    Honestly, it's like someone has gifted the city 20,000 voters from Islington and Hackney down there.
    Not sure, I think Ben Bradshaw is a well regarded local MP, so some of it is down to that.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Mirror comes out for Andy Burnham. Another Tory rag just trying to do Jeremy Corbyn down...

    That's no news, the Sunday People came out for Burnham so it's no surprise.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 45,077

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    I think Ben has a fair personal vote there, he obviously knows how to win - which is why he'll finish last in the deputy contest.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    JEO said:

    If France reduces law enforcement in Calais because we don't give them enough of a bung, we should launch a diplomatic war against the French. Start public campaigns against the Strasbourg parliament and refuse tonprovide any funds to the Common Agricultural Policy until the French do the basic job of enforcing the law against crimes on British citizens and British companies in France.

    Oh come on, nothing dramatic like that is needed, you just close the tunnel.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,936
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Mirror comes out for Andy Burnham. Another Tory rag just trying to do Jeremy Corbyn down...

    Whats the tally so far Sun,Mail,Telegraph, Express Kendall
    Mirror Bunham
    Indy anyone who promises not to affect the owners wealth(Kendall)
    Times anyone who agrees to Toady up to Rupert (Kendall/Cooper)

    Anyone spot a pattern??
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 45,077

    Did you see my question on the last thread Mr Pulpstar?

    Phwoar. He wants to give Liz one. PHWOAR ...
    No the one about profitable outcomes.

    I thought Mr Pulpstar had most profit on Jezza or Cooper
    On Jezza. Then Cooper.

    Liz is a dead cert to come last, so I'll give the Blairites a bit of false hope by putting a 'one' by her though, then the '2' will be next to Jezza should he fail to clear 50% in the first round :)
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 6,871

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Mirror comes out for Andy Burnham. Another Tory rag just trying to do Jeremy Corbyn down...

    Whats the tally so far Sun,Mail,Telegraph, Express Kendall
    Mirror Bunham
    Indy anyone who promises not to affect the owners wealth(Kendall)
    Times anyone who agrees to Toady up to Rupert (Kendall/Cooper)

    Anyone spot a pattern??
    The final order of the result will be the direct reverse of the press's order :D
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 6,871
    Pulpstar said:

    Did you see my question on the last thread Mr Pulpstar?

    Phwoar. He wants to give Liz one. PHWOAR ...
    No the one about profitable outcomes.

    I thought Mr Pulpstar had most profit on Jezza or Cooper
    On Jezza. Then Cooper.

    Liz is a dead cert to come last, so I'll give the Blairites a bit of false hope by putting a 'one' by her though, then the '2' will be next to Jezza should he fail to clear 50% in the first round :)
    Is your avatar inspired by seadog Jez?
  • alex.alex. Posts: 2,845
    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Mirror comes out for Andy Burnham. Another Tory rag just trying to do Jeremy Corbyn down...

    Lol at first comment:

    "A man of principal? Am I reading the Grauniad? Such shoddy quality."

    The ultimate insult in the newspaper world it appears these days...
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Speedy said:

    MP_SE said:

    Mayor of Calais threatens to reduce the level of policing unless Cameron pays compensation to them. The figures for the number of people living in the camp have gone from 3,000 to over 5,000 with more on the way. I wonder what would happen if the camp increased to 10-15,000.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3196942/Calais-mayor-Natacha-Bouchart-accused-David-Cameron-mocking-French.html

    And to think Calais was British until 1558.
    Now we are getting blackmailed by it's mayor.

    Really, if we closed the eurotunnel we would solve both of Calais and Dover's problems, to hell with the french commuters, this is going to end in a major diplomatic incident one way or the other.
    If the mayor did follow through with her threats those using the tunnel would be in even more danger than they currently are. The tunnel would have to be closed as I could see someone getting seriously injured.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 45,077
    Danny565 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Did you see my question on the last thread Mr Pulpstar?

    Phwoar. He wants to give Liz one. PHWOAR ...
    No the one about profitable outcomes.

    I thought Mr Pulpstar had most profit on Jezza or Cooper
    On Jezza. Then Cooper.

    Liz is a dead cert to come last, so I'll give the Blairites a bit of false hope by putting a 'one' by her though, then the '2' will be next to Jezza should he fail to clear 50% in the first round :)
    Is your avatar inspired by seadog Jez?
    Haha yes, you've rumbled me.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Speedy said:

    JEO said:

    If France reduces law enforcement in Calais because we don't give them enough of a bung, we should launch a diplomatic war against the French. Start public campaigns against the Strasbourg parliament and refuse tonprovide any funds to the Common Agricultural Policy until the French do the basic job of enforcing the law against crimes on British citizens and British companies in France.

    Oh come on, nothing dramatic like that is needed, you just close the tunnel.
    Closing the tunnel hurts us more than the French as our trade with all EU nations goes through there, while just their trade with the UK does. Though you could close it at night. But then the French could also relax port security.
  • glwglw Posts: 4,316

    Whats the tally so far Sun,Mail,Telegraph, Express Kendall
    Mirror Bunham
    Indy anyone who promises not to affect the owners wealth(Kendall)
    Times anyone who agrees to Toady up to Rupert (Kendall/Cooper)

    Anyone spot a pattern??

    Yes, all the journalists in Britain think Corbyn is a joke.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,936
    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Mirror comes out for Andy Burnham. Another Tory rag just trying to do Jeremy Corbyn down...

    Whats the tally so far Sun,Mail,Telegraph, Express Kendall
    Mirror Bunham
    Indy anyone who promises not to affect the owners wealth(Kendall)
    Times anyone who agrees to Toady up to Rupert (Kendall/Cooper)

    Anyone spot a pattern??
    The final order of the result will be the direct reverse of the press's order :D
    I do believe you are spot on.

    Have you had a begging letter from your MP yet.

    Mine tells me I should consider voting the same way ax Mr Foxinsox.

    I sent him a short reply
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 11,792
    Speedy said:

    The SLab candidate in Denny and Banknock has been suspended from Labour for sectarian Facebook comments, though it was too late to take him off the ballot paper.

    It'll be an interesting excercise to see how many votes he'll still get from the sectarian bigot community.

    Is there anyone who you don't call a bigot?
    Is there any limit to the gormlessness of your Scottish commentary? Though tbf James Kelly for SLab leader was a high bar you set yourself.

    'Dad-of-two Bell, of Larbert, Falkirk, sparked outrage by joking about child abuse, and publishing anti-Catholic bile too disgusting to repeat in a newspaper.'

    http://tinyurl.com/ns728a3
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    JEO said:

    Speedy said:

    JEO said:

    If France reduces law enforcement in Calais because we don't give them enough of a bung, we should launch a diplomatic war against the French. Start public campaigns against the Strasbourg parliament and refuse tonprovide any funds to the Common Agricultural Policy until the French do the basic job of enforcing the law against crimes on British citizens and British companies in France.

    Oh come on, nothing dramatic like that is needed, you just close the tunnel.
    Closing the tunnel hurts us more than the French as our trade with all EU nations goes through there, while just their trade with the UK does. Though you could close it at night. But then the French could also relax port security.
    As I posted the figures last week, the eurotunnel only handles a very small fraction of trade, but a significant number of passengers, mainly french ones working in London.

    So this has nothing to do with EU trade, it's all about commuting between Paris and London.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Of course the obvious answer to the Calais crisis is just to not process anyone's asylum claim who comes through. If you've come from a safe country you don't get to apply and get immediately deported. No one would bother trying if you are guaranteed rejection.
  • Top Pinhoe fact: Up until the 19th century the Vicar of Pinhoe received 16 shillings annually in recognition of the bravery of his predecessor in 1001 when the village was raided and burnt to the ground by Vikings. The vicar rode to Exeter by donkey for more arrows for the defenders, to no avail.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,936
    glw said:

    Whats the tally so far Sun,Mail,Telegraph, Express Kendall
    Mirror Bunham
    Indy anyone who promises not to affect the owners wealth(Kendall)
    Times anyone who agrees to Toady up to Rupert (Kendall/Cooper)

    Anyone spot a pattern??

    Yes, all the journalists in Britain think Corbyn is a joke.
    and that invading Iraq was the only option
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Top Pinhoe fact: Up until the 19th century the Vicar of Pinhoe received 16 shillings annually in recognition of the bravery of his predecessor in 1001 when the village was raided and burnt to the ground by Vikings. The vicar rode to Exeter by donkey for more arrows for the defenders, to no avail.

    Excellent! ?Defence against continental migrants = swing to UKIP.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Adam Evans ‏@A_B_Evans 3 mins3 minutes ago

    BREAKING: Pravda endorses Andy Burnham as the next Labour leader, instead of Jeremy Corbyn #redtories

    Corbynytes upset with the decision by the Mirror – ‘redtories’ - Surreal…!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    JEO said:

    Of course the obvious answer to the Calais crisis is just to not process anyone's asylum claim who comes through. If you've come from a safe country you don't get to apply and get immediately deported. No one would bother trying if you are guaranteed rejection.

    Nope, the obvious answer is to close the tunnel until the french have their house in order.

    If the tunnel is kept open then the problem will only grow until there is a major foreign policy food fight over illegal immigration between Britain and France and countless dead in Calais and Dover for the newspapers to publish pictures and salty headlines.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 1,976

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    Scientists often seem to vote Labour in my experience.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 18,096

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    How many do they employ, though, who live in the constituency?

    Honestly, it's like someone has gifted the city 20,000 voters from Islington and Hackney down there.
    Not sure, I think Ben Bradshaw is a well regarded local MP, so some of it is down to that.
    I know of Labour canvassers who didn't mention their allegiance in the GE campaign. Just asked for the votes for Ben.

    I'd heard he had to be persuaded to stand again in 2015. Threw his hat in the ring for Deputy, so he must still have some fire in his belly. But if he doesn't stand again for Exeter in 2020, the new Labour candidate is going to face a wall of Tories in the SW with not much else to do but keep Plymouth blue - and unseat him....

  • glwglw Posts: 4,316

    Corbynytes upset with the decision by the Mirror – ‘redtories’ - Surreal…!

    You would think that at least a few of them would twig that "too left-wing for the Mirror" is electorally suicidal, but apparently not. They've gone full moonbat.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 2,662
    Speedy said:

    JEO said:

    If France reduces law enforcement in Calais because we don't give them enough of a bung, we should launch a diplomatic war against the French. Start public campaigns against the Strasbourg parliament and refuse tonprovide any funds to the Common Agricultural Policy until the French do the basic job of enforcing the law against crimes on British citizens and British companies in France.

    Oh come on, nothing dramatic like that is needed, you just close the tunnel.
    If they want us to pay for policing in Calais, they should cede it back to us.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Adam Evans ‏@A_B_Evans 3 mins3 minutes ago

    BREAKING: Pravda endorses Andy Burnham as the next Labour leader, instead of Jeremy Corbyn #redtories

    Corbynytes upset with the decision by the Mirror – ‘redtories’ - Surreal…!

    Never upset your audience, as Fox News recently discovered with it's short war with Trump.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    JEO said:

    If France reduces law enforcement in Calais because we don't give them enough of a bung, we should launch a diplomatic war against the French. Start public campaigns against the Strasbourg parliament and refuse tonprovide any funds to the Common Agricultural Policy until the French do the basic job of enforcing the law against crimes on British citizens and British companies in France.

    Oh come on, nothing dramatic like that is needed, you just close the tunnel.
    If they want us to pay for policing in Calais, they should cede it back to us.

    That's also an option.
  • I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    How many do they employ, though, who live in the constituency?

    Honestly, it's like someone has gifted the city 20,000 voters from Islington and Hackney down there.
    Not sure, I think Ben Bradshaw is a well regarded local MP, so some of it is down to that.
    I know of Labour canvassers who didn't mention their allegiance in the GE campaign. Just asked for the votes for Ben.

    I'd heard he had to be persuaded to stand again in 2015. Threw his hat in the ring for Deputy, so he must still have some fire in his belly. But if he doesn't stand again for Exeter in 2020, the new Labour candidate is going to face a wall of Tories in the SW with not much else to do but keep Plymouth blue - and unseat him....

    OK.

    Question: how many Labour seats have no bordering seats that aren't Labour?
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Something that surprises me about the Labour leadership election.....
    There have been lots of polls in the US showing opinion on the various possible Democratic Candidate versus Republican candidate matchups. (Clinton v Bush, Clinton v Trump, etc)

    Has anyone seen any equivalent polling on the relative strengths of the four Labour candidates versus the Tories? e.g. asking the public as a whole which one might make them more likely to vote Labour?
  • alex.alex. Posts: 2,845
    What is Corbyn's view of electoral reform?
  • I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    How many do they employ, though, who live in the constituency?

    Honestly, it's like someone has gifted the city 20,000 voters from Islington and Hackney down there.
    Not sure, I think Ben Bradshaw is a well regarded local MP, so some of it is down to that.
    I know of Labour canvassers who didn't mention their allegiance in the GE campaign. Just asked for the votes for Ben.

    I'd heard he had to be persuaded to stand again in 2015. Threw his hat in the ring for Deputy, so he must still have some fire in his belly. But if he doesn't stand again for Exeter in 2020, the new Labour candidate is going to face a wall of Tories in the SW with not much else to do but keep Plymouth blue - and unseat him....

    OK.

    Question: how many Labour seats have no bordering seats that aren't Labour?
    Off the top of my head, the one in Edinburgh, that Roger's relative held against the really loony Nat
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2015

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    How many do they employ, though, who live in the constituency?

    Honestly, it's like someone has gifted the city 20,000 voters from Islington and Hackney down there.
    Not sure, I think Ben Bradshaw is a well regarded local MP, so some of it is down to that.
    I know of Labour canvassers who didn't mention their allegiance in the GE campaign. Just asked for the votes for Ben.

    I'd heard he had to be persuaded to stand again in 2015. Threw his hat in the ring for Deputy, so he must still have some fire in his belly. But if he doesn't stand again for Exeter in 2020, the new Labour candidate is going to face a wall of Tories in the SW with not much else to do but keep Plymouth blue - and unseat him....

    OK.

    Question: how many Labour seats have no bordering seats that aren't Labour?
    38 I think, that are bordering other Labour seats, exclusively.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 45,077

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    How many do they employ, though, who live in the constituency?

    Honestly, it's like someone has gifted the city 20,000 voters from Islington and Hackney down there.
    Not sure, I think Ben Bradshaw is a well regarded local MP, so some of it is down to that.
    I know of Labour canvassers who didn't mention their allegiance in the GE campaign. Just asked for the votes for Ben.

    I'd heard he had to be persuaded to stand again in 2015. Threw his hat in the ring for Deputy, so he must still have some fire in his belly. But if he doesn't stand again for Exeter in 2020, the new Labour candidate is going to face a wall of Tories in the SW with not much else to do but keep Plymouth blue - and unseat him....

    OK.

    Question: how many Labour seats have no bordering seats that aren't Labour?
    Off the top of my head, the one in Edinburgh, that Roger's relative held against the really loony Nat
    Exeter & Hove too.

    Edi South was always going to be one of Labour's strongest Scottish chances due to the high no of non Scottish born there.
  • I grew up near Exeter, in a village near Pinhoe in fact. Exeter as a whole has changed a lot since then. It's more affluent and more 'hipster'. Has a lot of trendy middle-class folk with the University and Met Office being big employers. Not many though would live in Pinhoe it being more of an C2 WWC area. Ben Bradshaw is very well regarded as an excellent constituency MP. Pinhoe itself has changed this century becoming less of a village (as it was really) and becoming just another suburb. There's been a lot of housing development nearby. The Tory candidate tried to make an issue about bullying in the local park - since I used to avoid the place due to that reason in the 1980s I doubt it as an issue has great salience!

    Pinhoe is also home to 'Po Lee's' Exeter's first and by a considerable distance its worst, Chinese take away.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 1,976
    Speedy said:

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    How many do they employ, though, who live in the constituency?

    Honestly, it's like someone has gifted the city 20,000 voters from Islington and Hackney down there.
    Not sure, I think Ben Bradshaw is a well regarded local MP, so some of it is down to that.
    I know of Labour canvassers who didn't mention their allegiance in the GE campaign. Just asked for the votes for Ben.

    I'd heard he had to be persuaded to stand again in 2015. Threw his hat in the ring for Deputy, so he must still have some fire in his belly. But if he doesn't stand again for Exeter in 2020, the new Labour candidate is going to face a wall of Tories in the SW with not much else to do but keep Plymouth blue - and unseat him....

    OK.

    Question: how many Labour seats have no bordering seats that aren't Labour?
    38 I think, that are bordering other Labour seats, exclusively.
    How do you know something like that?
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 6,871

    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Mirror comes out for Andy Burnham. Another Tory rag just trying to do Jeremy Corbyn down...

    Whats the tally so far Sun,Mail,Telegraph, Express Kendall
    Mirror Bunham
    Indy anyone who promises not to affect the owners wealth(Kendall)
    Times anyone who agrees to Toady up to Rupert (Kendall/Cooper)

    Anyone spot a pattern??
    The final order of the result will be the direct reverse of the press's order :D
    I do believe you are spot on.

    Have you had a begging letter from your MP yet.

    Mine tells me I should consider voting the same way ax Mr Foxinsox.

    I sent him a short reply
    Yes, he emailed urging us to vote for Burnham.

    Still on the fence about which way I'm going to vote, will probably wait until the last few days to send off my ballot!
  • Speedy said:



    OK.

    Question: how many Labour seats have no bordering seats that aren't Labour?

    38 I think, that are bordering other Labour seats, exclusively.



    OK.

    Question: how many Labour seats have no bordering seats that aren't Labour?

    Off the top of my head, the one in Edinburgh, that Roger's relative held against the really loony Nat
    OK I realise I put so many negatives in that that it lost meaning.

    But both ways round are interesting.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2015
    Disraeli said:

    Something that surprises me about the Labour leadership election.....
    There have been lots of polls in the US showing opinion on the various possible Democratic Candidate versus Republican candidate matchups. (Clinton v Bush, Clinton v Trump, etc)

    Has anyone seen any equivalent polling on the relative strengths of the four Labour candidates versus the Tories? e.g. asking the public as a whole which one might make them more likely to vote Labour?

    Yes, a yougov poll from 3 weeks ago.
    Burnham is at -2.
    Corbyn at -2.
    Kendall at -3.
    Cooper at -6.

    They all make people less likely to vote Labour net.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,936
    alex. said:

    What is Corbyn's view of electoral reform?

    supports essentially abolishing house of lords by making it elected body based on PR
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    How many do they employ, though, who live in the constituency?

    Honestly, it's like someone has gifted the city 20,000 voters from Islington and Hackney down there.
    Not sure, I think Ben Bradshaw is a well regarded local MP, so some of it is down to that.
    I know of Labour canvassers who didn't mention their allegiance in the GE campaign. Just asked for the votes for Ben.

    I'd heard he had to be persuaded to stand again in 2015. Threw his hat in the ring for Deputy, so he must still have some fire in his belly. But if he doesn't stand again for Exeter in 2020, the new Labour candidate is going to face a wall of Tories in the SW with not much else to do but keep Plymouth blue - and unseat him....

    OK.

    Question: how many Labour seats have no bordering seats that aren't Labour?
    38 I think, that are bordering other Labour seats, exclusively.
    How do you know something like that?
    I got a map of the 2015 results and I counted.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Speedy said:

    JEO said:

    Of course the obvious answer to the Calais crisis is just to not process anyone's asylum claim who comes through. If you've come from a safe country you don't get to apply and get immediately deported. No one would bother trying if you are guaranteed rejection.

    Nope, the obvious answer is to close the tunnel until the french have their house in order.

    If the tunnel is kept open then the problem will only grow until there is a major foreign policy food fight over illegal immigration between Britain and France and countless dead in Calais and Dover for the newspapers to publish pictures and salty headlines.
    What would stop the migrants simply smuggling themselves on board ferries instead of trains?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,936
    Danny565 said:

    Danny565 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Mirror comes out for Andy Burnham. Another Tory rag just trying to do Jeremy Corbyn down...

    Whats the tally so far Sun,Mail,Telegraph, Express Kendall
    Mirror Bunham
    Indy anyone who promises not to affect the owners wealth(Kendall)
    Times anyone who agrees to Toady up to Rupert (Kendall/Cooper)

    Anyone spot a pattern??
    The final order of the result will be the direct reverse of the press's order :D
    I do believe you are spot on.

    Have you had a begging letter from your MP yet.

    Mine tells me I should consider voting the same way ax Mr Foxinsox.

    I sent him a short reply
    Yes, he emailed urging us to vote for Burnham.

    Still on the fence about which way I'm going to vote, will probably wait until the last few days to send off my ballot!
    Bloody Tory!!!
  • alex.alex. Posts: 2,845

    alex. said:

    What is Corbyn's view of electoral reform?

    supports essentially abolishing house of lords by making it elected body based on PR
    So still pro FPTP then?

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    JEO said:

    Speedy said:

    JEO said:

    Of course the obvious answer to the Calais crisis is just to not process anyone's asylum claim who comes through. If you've come from a safe country you don't get to apply and get immediately deported. No one would bother trying if you are guaranteed rejection.

    Nope, the obvious answer is to close the tunnel until the french have their house in order.

    If the tunnel is kept open then the problem will only grow until there is a major foreign policy food fight over illegal immigration between Britain and France and countless dead in Calais and Dover for the newspapers to publish pictures and salty headlines.
    What would stop the migrants simply smuggling themselves on board ferries instead of trains?
    Because it's easier to stop them.
    If it wasn't then they would have preferred the ferries instead of the Tunnel.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,936
    alex. said:

    alex. said:

    What is Corbyn's view of electoral reform?

    supports essentially abolishing house of lords by making it elected body based on PR
    So still pro FPTP then?

    Dont know TBH
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,873

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    How many do they employ, though, who live in the constituency?

    Honestly, it's like someone has gifted the city 20,000 voters from Islington and Hackney down there.
    The three biggest employers are the University, the Met Office, and the County Council. The University is twice as big as when I was there, and the Met Office arrived only in 2004. There's your Labour vote. Plus, successive boundary changes have removed outlying rural areas and the two best Tory wards on the city council (St. Loyes and Topsham).
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,936
    Just spotted its lefthanders day

    Might celebrate with an early night Mrs BJ is out!!!
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    How many do they employ, though, who live in the constituency?

    Honestly, it's like someone has gifted the city 20,000 voters from Islington and Hackney down there.
    Not sure, I think Ben Bradshaw is a well regarded local MP, so some of it is down to that.
    I know of Labour canvassers who didn't mention their allegiance in the GE campaign. Just asked for the votes for Ben.

    I'd heard he had to be persuaded to stand again in 2015. Threw his hat in the ring for Deputy, so he must still have some fire in his belly. But if he doesn't stand again for Exeter in 2020, the new Labour candidate is going to face a wall of Tories in the SW with not much else to do but keep Plymouth blue - and unseat him....

    OK.

    Question: how many Labour seats have no bordering seats that aren't Labour?
    Blackpool South
    Cambridge
    Derby South
    Edinburgh South
    Exeter
    Great Grimsby
    Hove
    Lancaster & Fleetwood
    Norwich South
    Oxford East
    Preston
    Scunthorpe
    Slough
    Southampton Test
    Ynys Mon
    York Central

    ...plus some that I probably missed.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Speedy said:

    JEO said:

    If France reduces law enforcement in Calais because we don't give them enough of a bung, we should launch a diplomatic war against the French. Start public campaigns against the Strasbourg parliament and refuse tonprovide any funds to the Common Agricultural Policy until the French do the basic job of enforcing the law against crimes on British citizens and British companies in France.

    Oh come on, nothing dramatic like that is needed, you just close the tunnel.
    If they want us to pay for policing in Calais, they should cede it back to us.
    France used to be notorious for riot police and water cannon. Where are they here?
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 1,976
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    How many do they employ, though, who live in the constituency?

    Honestly, it's like someone has gifted the city 20,000 voters from Islington and Hackney down there.
    Not sure, I think Ben Bradshaw is a well regarded local MP, so some of it is down to that.
    I know of Labour canvassers who didn't mention their allegiance in the GE campaign. Just asked for the votes for Ben.

    I'd heard he had to be persuaded to stand again in 2015. Threw his hat in the ring for Deputy, so he must still have some fire in his belly. But if he doesn't stand again for Exeter in 2020, the new Labour candidate is going to face a wall of Tories in the SW with not much else to do but keep Plymouth blue - and unseat him....

    OK.

    Question: how many Labour seats have no bordering seats that aren't Labour?
    38 I think, that are bordering other Labour seats, exclusively.
    How do you know something like that?
    I got a map of the 2015 results and I counted.
    Oh right. I thought there was a big list of election trivia somewhere that hardcore PBers had access to.
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Speedy said:

    Disraeli said:

    Something that surprises me about the Labour leadership election.....
    There have been lots of polls in the US showing opinion on the various possible Democratic Candidate versus Republican candidate matchups. (Clinton v Bush, Clinton v Trump, etc)

    Has anyone seen any equivalent polling on the relative strengths of the four Labour candidates versus the Tories? e.g. asking the public as a whole which one might make them more likely to vote Labour?

    Yes, a yougov poll from 3 weeks ago.
    Burnham is at -2.
    Corbyn at -2.
    Kendall at -3.
    Cooper at -6.

    They all make people less likely to vote Labour net.
    Thanks Speedy.
    Depressing reading for all four contenders, really.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    Scientists often seem to vote Labour in my experience.
    Perhaps we should push a probe into their brains.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Speedy said:

    JEO said:

    Speedy said:

    JEO said:

    Of course the obvious answer to the Calais crisis is just to not process anyone's asylum claim who comes through. If you've come from a safe country you don't get to apply and get immediately deported. No one would bother trying if you are guaranteed rejection.

    Nope, the obvious answer is to close the tunnel until the french have their house in order.

    If the tunnel is kept open then the problem will only grow until there is a major foreign policy food fight over illegal immigration between Britain and France and countless dead in Calais and Dover for the newspapers to publish pictures and salty headlines.
    What would stop the migrants simply smuggling themselves on board ferries instead of trains?
    Because it's easier to stop them.
    If it wasn't then they would have preferred the ferries instead of the Tunnel.
    But it won't be easier if the French police stop doing even the partial job they are doing right now.

    Their whole position is just outrageous: they won't give the protection of law to British lorry drivers and train companies, unless we pay them.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 9,936
    According to a study lefties live around nine years less than their right-handed counterparts.

    Corbynites beware
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 8,508
    I agree with Coopers intervention today. Corbyn is backward looking, arguably the most conservative politician today.

    I fear whilst on the right lines, she has done too little too late.
  • @Sean_F Never got why the Tory's did well in St. Loyes as it contains Wonford / Burnt House Lane (or part) which are pretty rough. They were helped though as it contained Heavitree, one of the few areas of strong support for the old Liberal Party - the Morrish's home. So the non-Tory vote was traditionally split between Labour, Lib and Lib Dem. St. Leonard's, Pennsylvania, St. Loyes, Duryard, and Topsham (in increasing Tory share) are the Tories best areas in Exeter.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 2,845
    How precisely does Corbyn propose to "nationalise the energy sector"? Whilst at least he can try to claim that nationalising the railways won't cost much/anything because of all the subsidies the rail companies allegedly get to fund their profits, how is he proposing to buy out the energy sector?
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges
    Corbyn supporters now saying Andy Burnham is a Tory. I know personal attacks are counterproductive. But sod it. These people are lunatics.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 31,692
    Pulpstar said:

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    I think Ben has a fair personal vote there, he obviously knows how to win - which is why he'll finish last in the deputy contest.
    A shame, I'd be interested to see if he could instigate some kind of labour revival in the SW in the gap left by the LDs, assuming the Blue Liberals stick with the Tories.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Disraeli said:

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    How many do they employ, though, who live in the constituency?

    Honestly, it's like someone has gifted the city 20,000 voters from Islington and Hackney down there.
    Not sure, I think Ben Bradshaw is a well regarded local MP, so some of it is down to that.
    I know of Labour canvassers who didn't mention their allegiance in the GE campaign. Just asked for the votes for Ben.

    I'd heard he had to be persuaded to stand again in 2015. Threw his hat in the ring for Deputy, so he must still have some fire in his belly. But if he doesn't stand again for Exeter in 2020, the new Labour candidate is going to face a wall of Tories in the SW with not much else to do but keep Plymouth blue - and unseat him....

    OK.

    Question: how many Labour seats have no bordering seats that aren't Labour?
    Blackpool South
    Cambridge
    Derby South
    Edinburgh South
    Exeter
    Great Grimsby
    Hove
    Lancaster & Fleetwood
    Norwich South
    Oxford East
    Preston
    Scunthorpe
    Slough
    Southampton Test
    Ynys Mon
    York Central

    ...plus some that I probably missed.
    Isn't that the opposite to the question that was asked?
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Why oh why can they not keep quiet for a few weeks.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 21,873

    I still don't understand why Exeter is so left-wing. It baffles me and, visiting it, politically it doesn't "feel" right.

    It's the only splotch of red in the whole of the south-west, and yet it's more affluent than Tory Plymouth. And it's in Devon, my favourite county, which is about as "undiverse", traditional, beautiful, rural, historical, and English, as you get these days.

    Where do the Labour drones come from down there?

    There's a Met Office in Exeter,

    Full of climate change believers, who probably vote Labour
    Scientists often seem to vote Labour in my experience.
    Perhaps we should push a probe into their brains.
    Scientists are less left-wing than other academics (but still well to the left of the electorate). Arts and social sciences are 90% + left wing.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 4,552
    Must be quite likely there will be a late swing against Corbyn - both due to the media and also people just getting cold feet.

    But the question is whether Corbyn will still have enough given Union affiliates and £3 sign-ups.

    I think it will come down to turnout amongst the Union affiliates. Remember Unions have just rung these people up and got them to agree to be affiliates. So the individuals haven't had to take the same positive action as the £3 sign-ups who have had to personally do something.

    So how many of the 200,000 affiliates will actually get round to voting?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Labour leadership: Liz Kendall calls for voting pact with rivals to prevent Jeremy Corbyn win

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-liz-kendall-calls-for-voting-pact-with-rivals-to-prevent-jeremy-corbyn-win-10454622.html

    Panic Stations at DefCon 3
  • glwglw Posts: 4,316
    Disraeli said:

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges
    Corbyn supporters now saying Andy Burnham is a Tory. I know personal attacks are counterproductive. But sod it. These people are lunatics.

    If you can believe his supporters essentially everybody in the Labour Party not named Jeremy Corbyn is a Tory. The CCHQ Dept. of Dirty Tricks isn't THAT good.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 2,845
    MP_SE said:

    Why oh why can they not keep quiet for a few weeks.
    Perhaps they've decided that a Corbyn leadership will fall apart so rapidly that the best outcome would actually be for the Labour leader at the next election to be one (not Corbyn) arising out of this contest, rather than one in a year's time? With the advantage that they would be permanently handicapped by a disgruntled and emboldened, but not defeated, left wing.

  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited August 2015

    Labour leadership: Liz Kendall calls for voting pact with rivals to prevent Jeremy Corbyn win

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-liz-kendall-calls-for-voting-pact-with-rivals-to-prevent-jeremy-corbyn-win-10454622.html

    Panic Stations at DefCon 3

    Too little, too late. The ship has sailed.

    When will the Three Stooges wake up to the fact that all those hundreds of thousands who've signed up, have done so to vote for Corbyn, not simply to take part.

    They're idiots, unfit to lead any political party by default. Complacent and dozy. Perhaps if they were selling policies and ideas that people actually believed in rather than vacuous sound bites, they wouldn't need to fiddle the system with a pact.
  • alex.alex. Posts: 2,845
    glw said:

    Disraeli said:

    Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges
    Corbyn supporters now saying Andy Burnham is a Tory. I know personal attacks are counterproductive. But sod it. These people are lunatics.

    If you can believe his supporters essentially everybody in the Labour Party not named Jeremy Corbyn is a Tory. The CCHQ Dept. of Dirty Tricks isn't THAT good.
    Tories must be wondering how they only ended up with a majority of 12 ;)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 31,692
    edited August 2015
    MikeL said:

    Must be quite likely there will be a late swing against Corbyn - both due to the media and also people just getting cold feet.

    But the question is whether Corbyn will still have enough given Union affiliates and £3 sign-ups.

    A fair point I think. After all, the negative stuff on Ed M did actually work, despite people like me saying it would not be enough. Doesn't mean it will this time, Corbyn appears to have a sizable advantage, but it's been amazing his campaign has not, to my knowledge, had any major slips up as yet, can they be so lucky as to have none to come that will precipitate some movement away from him, or indeed the cumulative impact of negative press have no impact?
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